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1. 01:47 AM - Pulley Question (Graham Singleton)
2. 06:13 AM - Re: Blondie (STOUT, GARRY V, CSFF2)
3. 06:31 AM - Re: Re: Blondie (Neville Eyre)
4. 06:31 AM - Re: Landing light (Steve Hagar)
5. 06:45 AM - Re: Door Support (Europa Aircraft)
6. 09:18 AM - Re: Monowheel dual sealed beam? (n3eu@comcast.net)
7. 10:48 AM - Re: Re: Landing light (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
8. 12:42 PM - Re: Re: Landing light (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
9. 01:07 PM - Re: Re: Landing light (Dale Hetrick)
10. 01:19 PM - Re: Re: Landing light (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
11. 01:27 PM - Re: Monowheel dual sealed beam? (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
12. 02:40 PM - Re: Monowheel dual sealed beam? (Ronald J. Parigoris)
13. 02:48 PM - Re: Monowheel dual sealed beam? (Cliff Shaw)
14. 05:02 PM - Re: Re: Landing light (Steve Hagar)
15. 07:56 PM - Re: Re: Landing light (Jeff Roberts)
16. 09:08 PM - Re: Monowheel dual sealed beam? (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 10/09/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
> > I marked out the placement of the holes using the
> > measurements in the manual but they didn't look like the manual picture.
>Mike
>Seems you have the same dilemma as I did. Indeed, it doesn't work out as
>per the manual if you have the same drawing in your manual as I.
>
>I am fairly sure you will have to pack out the pulley from the tunnel wall
>and this should leave enough room for the head of the bolt for the seat belt
>but I suggest it might be a good idea to confirm this with Nev at Europa.
Pulley placement;
Don't forget, the seat belt bolt must be well inside the area of the
reinforcement plate, Not near an edge. In a severe accident if the bolt
pulls out it could really ruin your day.
Inspection holes;
A year or three down the road you may well regret not putting in two good
sized inspection panels under the tank outlets. It is a real pain working
on the tank outlets which will sooner or later need maintenance.
Graham
BTW, "Blondie" has a very nice smile {;-)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "STOUT, GARRY V, CSFF2" <garrys@att.com>
Can someone let the rest of us know what this is all about?
Regards,
Garry V. Stout
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey"
<jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
Pots and kettles come to mind, Gerry... :-)
Jeremy Davey
Europa XS Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
>
> Anyway, back to the point of this email: next time you speak to the
Factory,
> ask whoever it is you're on the phone to to say "Hi!" to 'Blondie' for
you.
> All will become clear in due course :-).
>
TROUBLE MAKER!!!
Gerry Holland
Europa 384
G-FIZY
+44 7808 402404
gnholland@onetel.com
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Neville Eyre" <Neville@europa-aircraft.com>
LEAVE IT !!!!
>>> "STOUT, GARRY V, CSFF2" <garrys@att.com> 09/11/03 02:12pm >>>
--> Europa-List message posted by: "STOUT, GARRY V, CSFF2" <garrys@att.com>
Can someone let the rest of us know what this is all about?
Regards,
Garry V. Stout
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey"
<jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
Pots and kettles come to mind, Gerry... :-)
Jeremy Davey
Europa XS Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
>
> Anyway, back to the point of this email: next time you speak to the
Factory,
> ask whoever it is you're on the phone to to say "Hi!" to 'Blondie' for
you.
> All will become clear in due course :-).
>
TROUBLE MAKER!!!
Gerry Holland
Europa 384
G-FIZY
+44 7808 402404
gnholland@onetel.com
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| Subject: | RE: Landing light |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Dale:
This light looks like it was designed to be a little aircraft light.
Specifically an ultralight. It has a quite a concentrator lens on its
front and is bullet shaped. The part # is LL1 in the Lockwood Aviation
supply catalog. After all the bruhaha on landing lights lately I took it
out again last night and bothered the neighbors. There is no comparison
between it and auto headlights or running lights. It puts out a really
concentrated bright beam that is very annoying to look at. . . Painful even.
Steve
A 143, Mesa AZ
> [Original Message]
> From: Dale Hetrick <gdale2@juno.com>
> To: <hagargs@earthlink.net>
> Date: 9/10/03 10:05:01 PM
> Subject: Landing light
>
> Steve,
> Are these the same lights that Harbor Freight (discount tools) sell for
> $19.99 for two of them? I tried them and the light output was very
> marginal.
> Thanks,
> Dale
> Fallbrook, CA
--- Steve Hagar
--- hagargs@earthlink.net
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
Hi All,
The production tooling on the door strut mod is complete, pending release
when testing, and instillation instructions are complete. The mod is
installed on our demonstrator here in the US and is working beautifully.
There is no price, or release date yet, however judging from the progress
made, should be soon.
The original instillation has served many builder and flyers - including
myself well for years. We have noticed that on some, not all airplanes, the
corner of the door can raise up after being parked in the heat for a period
of time. In the US this has effected one of our company planes, while the
other has not had any issues with the original design. Our plans in the US
are to only install the mod on one of the airplanes, as the other will not
benefit. This is only cosmetic, and does not effect the operation, or
security of the door. And, again does not effect all XS, or Classic models.
The company has devoted a great deal of time in R&D, and testing for this
mod to make it very easy to install. This was done as a result of feedback
from our builders, like the one below.
I want to again thank our builders for there support. We will continue to
return the favor by making mods, and improvements that can be applied to
existing kits in the field, not just to new models.
Happy Building!
John Hurst
Europa Aircraft
Lakeland, FL
USA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kingsley
Hurst
Subject: Europa-List: Door Support
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst"
<hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Hello All,
This posting is rather belated but nevertheless I think it is worth doing.
Some time ago, there was considerable discussion regarding the problem of
deformation of the doors and the method of attachment of the gas struts.
I now wish to announce to the world that I have adopted the principle and
now sing the praises of Ted Gladstone's brilliant idea which completely
eliminates all strain on the door as a result of the forces applied by the
gas strut.
Before carrying out this mod, I must admit to having first tried the
"alternative" method which I think most builders are now adopting. When I
did so however, I still found that the door deformed slightly where the
strut attached at its new location and also that the gap at the top of the
door opened up an extra 1.5mm. Further, on closing the door, there was a
large amount of distortion requiring it to be positively held in alignment
before it could be fully closed. Admittedly, there was no perspex in the
door to provide extra bracing but it was my desire that the perspex should
not have to contribute in this manner. I therefore went to the trouble of
laying up one ply of carbon fibre on the inner surface from the rear hinge
to 2/3 of the way down the back of the door. This strengthened the door
considerably but I was still not happy about the poor rear hinge having to
withstand the consistent 25 to 27 kg load. If you don't feel sorry for the
hinge, see how long you can hold the gas strut fully closed. I hadn't got
to replacing the new attachment point when I learned of Ted's idea and I
immediately recognised it as being what I consider the only true answer to
the problem found to date.
Because I am not constrained by limitations imposed by the PFA like Ted is,
I was able to make mine slightly different from Ted's in as much as I cut
the bottom out of the gas strut channel in order that I could make it a
little deeper which in turn allowed a little longer strut and slightly
differing geometry which I am pleased to be able to say has been most
rewarding. Anybody who is interested in this approach and who hasn't yet
installed the roll over bracing at the back between the doors would be well
advised to do the modified layup of the channels and the reinforcement
section all in one go because it provides a good opportunity to include a
couple of layers of uni from just below the lower end of the channel right
across to the same point on the opposite side.
The end result of all this is that I now have doors (still without perspex)
that close without the slightest sign of misalignment, that have absolutely
no residual strain on them when fully closed and have a much improved hold
open force which supports 4 x 1 kg bags of sand placed on the larger area of
the door when fully open. The only disappointment was that the carbon fibre
layups have been made completely redundant but I am certainly not going to
remove them now.
CAVEAT
This mod does require a reasonable amount of work and indeed patience and I
would suggest it is not for the feint hearted. If you like a bit of a
challenge then the reward is there for the taking.
For me, it is one of those things that when completed, makes me feel good
every time I operate it as opposed to being something that "I wish I had
done"
If there is sufficient interest, I would be prepared to draw up the
dimensions I finally arrived at. I have photos and a video of the operation
but unfortunately I don't know how to make the video condensed enough to
publish it on the web. If I am requested to supply details I wish to point
out that I have to do so with full acknowledgement to Ted Gladstone for the
advice and assistance provided by him to me several months ago for which I
am extremely grateful. Thanks Ted. Hope you haven't taken out a patent!!
Regards
Kingsley Hurst
Mono Classic 281 in Oz
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| Subject: | Re: Monowheel dual sealed beam? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu wrote:
> I am no lighting engineer and I don't have the patience to try to
> interconvert between all the different specs for different
> lighting products. The curious thing is, just like in computing,
> these companies pick non-comparable specifications so that
> direct, rational choice is nearly impossible. I am not sure
> about comparing auto headlights and AV landing lights.
I don't think they're trying to mask comparisons, as differeing lamp specs are
based on intended application. "Candlepower" is best for spotlights or where
you're looking at the lamp, and LED's are rated that way. It's irrelevant
anyway, as for aircraft it's the approved part # as certificated. Household
light bulbs are in lumens, which says how bright the room will be as they
radiate roughly in all directions. The specs on aircraft landing lights are
irrelevant, since FAA doesn't specify brightness or beam width, and the only
relevant consideration is the approved part # as certificated for each type
aircraft.
Is confusion over wattage? I wuz confused too, but it's power consumption and
one way we buy household light bulbs due to safety considerations. But a 100W
aircraft landing light is not the same as as a 100W halogen flood lamp. The
#4509 aircraft lamp puts out enormous 110,000CP but rated at only 25 hours.
GE's catalogue for all of its halogen lamps gives you nothing like that in
equivalent wattage and beam width, but they are rated in thousands of hours.
Other posters are finding out what I have. If not using a #4509 lamp to save
some amps and installation space, the best you can do is test and find
something marginally adequate in comparison. At least you'll get long bulb
life...
Regards,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Landing light |
09/11/2003 01:47:28 PM,
Serialize complete at 09/11/2003 01:47:28 PM
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
Steve!
Where would you image mounting an LL1 on a europa?
Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | RE: Landing light |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>>> Where would you image mounting an LL1 on a europa?
Or powering it for that matter?
Incandescent lamps suck power ... 100W at 12v = 8.3A
Tony
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Landing light |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Dale Hetrick <gdale2@juno.com>
Steve,
Many thanks, guess I'll have to try them!
Dale
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 6:35:39 -0700 "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
writes:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar"
> <hagargs@earthlink.net>
>
> Dale:
>
> This light looks like it was designed to be a little aircraft
> light.
> Specifically an ultralight. It has a quite a concentrator lens on
> its
> front and is bullet shaped. The part # is LL1 in the Lockwood
> Aviation
> supply catalog. After all the bruhaha on landing lights lately I
> took it
> out again last night and bothered the neighbors. There is no
> comparison
> between it and auto headlights or running lights. It puts out a
> really
> concentrated bright beam that is very annoying to look at. . .
> Painful even.
>
> Steve
> A 143, Mesa AZ
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Dale Hetrick <gdale2@juno.com>
> > To: <hagargs@earthlink.net>
> > Date: 9/10/03 10:05:01 PM
> > Subject: Landing light
> >
> > Steve,
> > Are these the same lights that Harbor Freight (discount tools)
> sell for
> > $19.99 for two of them? I tried them and the light output was
> very
> > marginal.
> > Thanks,
> > Dale
> > Fallbrook, CA
>
>
> --- Steve Hagar
> --- hagargs@earthlink.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Landing light |
09/11/2003 04:19:36 PM,
Serialize complete at 09/11/2003 04:19:36 PM
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
Tony K wrote:
>Or powering it for that matter?
>Incandescent lamps suck power ... 100W at 12v = 8.3A
Its only half that bad Tony, at 50W, but using straight, old fashion
incandescent technology could only provide about half the output (in
light!)
of the GE PAR standard AC bulb.
Ira
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| Subject: | Re: Monowheel dual sealed beam? |
09/11/2003 04:27:14 PM,
Serialize complete at 09/11/2003 04:27:14 PM
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
Europas are mainly highly limited in alternator power
Until LED-based headlights are inexpensive how about this:
Mg Flares on a chute! Just drop one at altitude over the approach end of
the
airport, then descend turn and land!
Minimal current drain ;-)
Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | Re: Monowheel dual sealed beam? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
I know the Rotax has a limited alternator if only using the one supplied.
Is there a problem using a landing light for 5 minutes even if if that would
be discharging the battery by 5 amps?
I had a 1948 cessna 170 that had only a 25 amp generator. When lights were on
it discharged. Unless at cruise power, the generator did not put out.
Used it for 19 years, never got stuck with a dead battery. Just used lights
when needed.
A 5 amp discharge on a 16 amp battery should yield over 2 hours, no?
If using 914, with 1 alternator, and battery failed, unless you turned off
some loads the fuel pump would quit or run slow. So you turn off load.
Is there some sort of rule in aviation electron flow that states you can't
overdraw what charger can put out?
Heck, with the Turbo you are limited how much time you can add to Entropy at
full power, so you limit a negative electron flow so you don't exercise
battery by doing deep discharge too much?
I have a sealed lead acid battery, think it is 5 amps and it is not a deep
cycle battery. I use it for charging electric models at ~ 2amps for portable
field charger. have used it for years, still works fine.
If I don't know enough to know how little I know, please beat me up.
Thanks
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: Monowheel dual sealed beam? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
All
Electricity and get along just fine. I think I understand it.
I install two auto accessory type spotlight in my out-rigger fairing. The
bulbs are the replaceable halogen type, 25W . Two of them. I also installed
a wig-wag circuit.
Using the wig-wag reduced the power required for the landing lights by half
until you are on short final when you switch them both on.
I tested my Rotax alternator's ability to carry the all electric load. With
wig-war on and everything else on, the alternator did OK down to 3500RPM.
At that point the battery started picking up the load. I think that is "good
to go" for my plane. Keep the Rotax going and it will keep your Electrics
going. That is one good engine!
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds WA 98020
(425) 776-5555
N229WC "Wile E Coyote"
New Email:" flyinggpa@comcast.net "
----- Original Message -----
From: <irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Monowheel dual sealed beam?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
>
> Europas are mainly highly limited in alternator power
> Until LED-based headlights are inexpensive how about this:
>
> Mg Flares on a chute! Just drop one at altitude over the approach end of
> the
> airport, then descend turn and land!
>
> Minimal current drain ;-)
>
> Ira N224XS
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Landing light |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Ira:
I haven't fully mounted the lower cowling yet. However I see there is a
fair amount of empty space in front of the left foot well. I am
considering mounting it there and cutting an opening in the cowl and
making a plexiglass window flush and to the same contour as the cowl as a
first thought. My second thought is to mount it low in the cowl and make a
small bump for it with a window. My third thought is to use one side of
the passenger theigh support compartment and mount it there and fashion a
faired protrusion on the bottom of the fuselage. For landing purposes the
light has to be angled down anyway so it would reside almost all in the
compartment and only as small window would protrude below. I really
hadn't thought about it much until the bruhaha had come up. Fiberglass
works like ice cream its pretty easy to go in many places with it. I'll
get serious when I get the cowlings on and I figure out what angle of
declination is needed for good coverage. Any way it is only 25 bucks, if
I have to go to something else I will mount the LL1 in the back of my road
vehicle so I can turn it on for the tailgaters!
Steve
A143, Mesa AZ
> [Original Message]
> From: <irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 9/27/03 10:47:22 PM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Landing light
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
>
> Steve!
>
> Where would you image mounting an LL1 on a europa?
>
>
> Ira N224XS
>
>
>
>
>
--- Steve Hagar
--- hagargs@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Landing light |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 9/11/03 7:00 PM, Steve Hagar at hagargs@earthlink.net wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
>
>
> Ira:
>
> I haven't fully mounted the lower cowling yet. However I see there is a
> fair amount of empty space in front of the left foot well. I am
> considering mounting it there and cutting an opening in the cowl and
> making a plexiglass window flush and to the same contour as the cowl as a
> first thought. My second thought is to mount it low in the cowl and make a
> small bump for it with a window. My third thought is to use one side of
> the passenger theigh support compartment and mount it there and fashion a
> faired protrusion on the bottom of the fuselage. For landing purposes the
> light has to be angled down anyway so it would reside almost all in the
> compartment and only as small window would protrude below. I really
> hadn't thought about it much until the bruhaha had come up. Fiberglass
> works like ice cream its pretty easy to go in many places with it. I'll
> get serious when I get the cowlings on and I figure out what angle of
> declination is needed for good coverage. Any way it is only 25 bucks, if
> I have to go to something else I will mount the LL1 in the back of my road
> vehicle so I can turn it on for the tailgaters!
>
> Steve
> A143, Mesa AZ
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: <irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu>
>> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>> Date: 9/27/03 10:47:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Landing light
>>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
>>
>> Steve!
>>
>> Where would you image mounting an LL1 on a europa?
>>
>>
>> Ira N224XS
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --- Steve Hagar
> --- hagargs@earthlink.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
Steve,
Looking foward to seeing what works best for your light. I too am looking at
the lower cowel, but I'm not as far as you. Thank goodness for pioneers and
this forum. Wish you well.
Thanks,
Jeff
A258
Nashville TN
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| Subject: | Re: Monowheel dual sealed beam? |
09/12/2003 12:08:19 AM,
Serialize complete at 09/12/2003 12:08:19 AM
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
The problem in New York is that you have to leave the landing light on
the whole time you are airborne so the FA-18s on Combat Air Patrol can
pick you up more easily. That will really drain the battery.
Actually, I am in line to purchase a new 40amp alterator for the Rotax
that
fits on the reduction unit aux drive spline and under the stock Europa
cowl.
Flightcrafters has installed several so far but I don't know if any are
flying yet.
Ira N224XS Uphostery just about done
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris"
<rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
I know the Rotax has a limited alternator if only using the one supplied.
Is there a problem using a landing light for 5 minutes even if if that
would
be discharging the battery by 5 amps?
I had a 1948 cessna 170 that had only a 25 amp generator. When lights were
on
it discharged. Unless at cruise power, the generator did not put out.
Used it for 19 years, never got stuck with a dead battery. Just used
lights
when needed.
A 5 amp discharge on a 16 amp battery should yield over 2 hours, no?
If using 914, with 1 alternator, and battery failed, unless you turned off
some loads the fuel pump would quit or run slow. So you turn off load.
Is there some sort of rule in aviation electron flow that states you can't
overdraw what charger can put out?
Heck, with the Turbo you are limited how much time you can add to Entropy
at
full power, so you limit a negative electron flow so you don't exercise
battery by doing deep discharge too much?
I have a sealed lead acid battery, think it is 5 amps and it is not a deep
cycle battery. I use it for charging electric models at ~ 2amps for
portable
field charger. have used it for years, still works fine.
If I don't know enough to know how little I know, please beat me up.
Thanks
Ron Parigoris
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