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1. 05:44 AM - Ivopprop (Graham Singleton)
2. 06:39 AM - RE : Ivopprop (Auvray Michel)
3. 07:02 AM - Re: fuel pumps (Kevin Klinefelter)
4. 08:26 AM - Re: RE : Ivopprop (Jeff Roberts)
5. 08:31 AM - Reno Air Races (RK Hallett III)
6. 09:48 AM - [QT]Re: 1st Stupid Question (Jeremy Davey)
7. 09:48 AM - [QT]Re: 1st Stupid Question (Jeremy Davey)
8. 11:15 AM - Re: [QT]Re: 1st Stupid Question (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
9. 11:40 AM - Engin mounts (Jeff Roberts)
10. 01:08 PM - Re: fuel pumps (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
11. 02:06 PM - Re: 1st Stupid Question (Ami McFadyean)
12. 02:06 PM - Re: fuel pumps (Ami McFadyean)
13. 05:29 PM - Re: fuel pumps (RK Hallett III)
14. 08:42 PM - Re: [QT]Re: 1st Stupid Question (Fred R. Klein)
15. 09:36 PM - Re: [QT]Re: 1st Stupid Question (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 16/09/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>Time: 02:55:24 PM PST US
>Subject: Europa-List: Prop decisions???
>From: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
>
>Is anyone out there using or about to use the Ivoprop in flight adjustable
>medium prop.
The Ivoprop is more common among rag wing microlights, as we call them
here. Europa factory tried one some years ago, it failed, fortunately not
catastrophically after a couple of hours flying. Performance was not as
good as the Warp Drive either as I remember.
Graham
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Auvray Michel" <m.auvray@aerodyne-int.com>
Hello Graham,
How are you, I am fly 220 hours now with my monowheel and interested to
buy variable pitch propeller.
The Air master is too much expensive , also my friend Jean Martin of
Persan have broken Air master one blade, and the total coast to return
in new Zealand and come back is about 1000 !!! and add repair.
No comments!
After investigations, I see the advantages & defaults of main suppliers
on the market; finally we think that Arplast is the most interesting for
us Quality/price.
For the reason that I explained before, I prefer to have possibility to
go to Arplast factory in France if I have a problem.
We are interested by Arplast PV50 constant speed prop.
What is you opinion of this prop and your knowledge of fly qualities?
Europa builder monowheel N 145 - 220 hours to day
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Michel AUVRAY
-----Message d'origine-----
De: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Graham
Singleton
Envoy: mercredi 17 septembre 2003 10:48
: europa-list@matronics.com
Objet: Europa-List: Ivopprop
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton
<graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 16/09/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>Time: 02:55:24 PM PST US
>Subject: Europa-List: Prop decisions???
>From: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
>
>Is anyone out there using or about to use the Ivoprop in flight
adjustable
>medium prop.
The Ivoprop is more common among rag wing microlights, as we call them
here. Europa factory tried one some years ago, it failed, fortunately
not
catastrophically after a couple of hours flying. Performance was not as
good as the Warp Drive either as I remember.
Graham
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
Tony, that's the other way around, 12mm inlets and 8mm outlets?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tony S.
Krzyzewski
Subject: RE: Europa-List: fuel pumps
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>> But, are they up to the demands of the 914? I really would like to
avoid
any slip on fuel lines in the same space where I sit.
The rotax supplied 914 pumps have 8mm inlets and 12mm outlets and you'll
need a down converter and 8mm (5/16") ID hose for the rest.
Tony
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 9/17/03 8:36 AM, Auvray Michel at m.auvray@aerodyne-int.com wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Auvray Michel" <m.auvray@aerodyne-int.com>
>
> Hello Graham,
> How are you, I am fly 220 hours now with my monowheel and interested to
> buy variable pitch propeller.
> The Air master is too much expensive , also my friend Jean Martin of
> Persan have broken Air master one blade, and the total coast to return
> in new Zealand and come back is about 1000 !!! and add repair.
> No comments!
>
> After investigations, I see the advantages & defaults of main suppliers
> on the market; finally we think that Arplast is the most interesting for
> us Quality/price.
> For the reason that I explained before, I prefer to have possibility to
> go to Arplast factory in France if I have a problem.
>
> We are interested by Arplast PV50 constant speed prop.
> What is you opinion of this prop and your knowledge of fly qualities?
>
> Europa builder monowheel N 145 - 220 hours to day
> --|--
> --------(*)--------
>
> Michel AUVRAY
>
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Graham
> Singleton
> Envoy: mercredi 17 septembre 2003 10:48
> : europa-list@matronics.com
> Objet: Europa-List: Ivopprop
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton
> <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
>
> At 23:56 16/09/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>> Time: 02:55:24 PM PST US
>> Subject: Europa-List: Prop decisions???
>> From: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
>>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
>>
>> Is anyone out there using or about to use the Ivoprop in flight
> adjustable
>> medium prop.
>
> The Ivoprop is more common among rag wing microlights, as we call them
> here. Europa factory tried one some years ago, it failed, fortunately
> not
> catastrophically after a couple of hours flying. Performance was not as
> good as the Warp Drive either as I remember.
> Graham
>
>
> ---
>
>
>
>
>
>
Gentlemen,
Ivoprop makes props for up to 700HP applications. The prop I was referring
to in my inquiry is the Ivoprop Magnum medium series. They have an in flight
adjustable for $1750 thats being recommended by the folks at Lookwood
Aviation for the Europa. The person I talked to said he thought they sold
one to someone building one, anyone out there that can confirm that or has
thought of using one?
Thanks,
Jeff
A258 Tri
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "RK Hallett III" <n100rh@sbcglobal.net>
OK,
I will check with John and see if they want to be involved and we will have a Reno
Europa Fest next year.
Ralph
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
>>>>Not everyone has had these sort of problems with resin pumps. I
wouldn't be without mine, which is the same Michael Engineering
model, and has already built at least one Europa before I started
using it.
A key point, Rowland! The older Michael/Rook pumps all appear to be fine.
It's the new ones they're having problems with - my recommendation to anyone
wanting one is to get a second-hand example. It's not as if they wear out
quickly!
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa XS Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
Sure. It's simply a 100-or-so balance reading to 0.1g and with a range up
to 300g. I may have confused you calling it a balance (which is what I was
taught to call them in school) rather than using the term "scales" which I
note is in common usage across the Atlantic - apologies if I did.
Using it for mixing Ampreg/Aeropoxy is very simple:
1) Put cup on balance and tare it (reset to zero)
2) Pour the appropriate amount of resin - use a syringe for fine adjustment
if required
3) Add hardener - again using a syringe as you get close, for accuracy
With Redux it's just as simple - put the resin in first using mixing sticks
and add hardener with a syringe again.
The only other tip I'd offer is to have lots of syringes (I use 10ml ones)
and treat the hardener ones as one-shot, chucking them in acetone to soak as
soon as you've measured out a mix. The hardeners seem to attack the rubber
after a time and you can end up with them sticking and you pulling the
rubber off.
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa XS Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
EuropaXSA279@aol.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 1st Stupid Question
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA279@aol.com
In a message dated 9/15/2003 2:11:32 AM Central Daylight Time,
jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com writes:
> I carried on with my build
> just using my digital balance.
Hello Jeremy:
Can you expand on the digital balance that you use?
Thanks
Brian
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--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
In a message dated 9/17/2003 12:49:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com writes:
> The only other tip I'd offer is to have lots of syringes (I use 10ml ones)
>
I use plastic table top ketchup and mustard bottles. Any dime store that
sells kitchen ware will have a set.The ones I use have a cap on a lanyard attached
to the bottle's cap. They work great and you can do several medium size
batches before they need to be refilled.
Regards,
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
To Dave A227,
Dave in February of this year you posted the engine mounts you used and the
fact that they cut down the vibration a lot. At the time you hadnt flown
yet. If my memory serves me correct there was some negative talk on softer
mounts but I was Just wondering if youve flown yet and if so are you
satisfied and how much does the engine move?
Hope you get this.
Thanks,
Jeff
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>>> Tony, that's the other way around, 12mm inlets and 8mm outlets?
I stand corrected... I was in the office when I typed that.
For all those who have installed their 914 pumps with the 12mm end as an
outlet then your configuration sucks :).
And no, I haven't done it that way round!!
Tony
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
There always seems to be a pattern that emerges from this occasionally
repeated debate.
Those who actually have a pump think they're brilliant.
Those who don't, aren't so sure;
hence the fuel for debate!.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rowland Carson" <rowil@clara.net>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: 1st Stupid Question
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
>
> At 2003 09 15 08:10 +0100, Jeremy Davey wrote:
>
> >I had the usual pump that comes from Michaels Engineering/Rook Metering
and
> >had horrendous problems
>
> Not everyone has had these sort of problems with resin pumps. I
> wouldn't be without mine, which is the same Michael Engineering
> model, and has already built at least one Europa before I started
> using it.
>
> It's far from perfect - I can think of several improvements I would
> make if I was going to make & market such a device. Switch from mild
> steel pistons to stainless, for instance. And modify the geometry to
> allow re-calibration without so much trial & error. I already changed
> the moveable cylinder clamping arrangement which improved things
> considerably. And I turned up a couple of little fruitwood caps for
> the outlet pipes so they wouldn't clag up from exposure to the air
> when left idle for too long. Another downside of the pump is that if
> you want to switch from regular to slow (or fast) hardener, you need
> to recalibrate as they are different densities.
>
> The accuracy of pumps versus digital scales has been mentioned. You
> should consider the absolute accuracy (dependent on linearity and
> other things) as well as the resoluton of any digital scale. Work out
> the possible error in measuring the mass of hardener and see if it
> will achieve the required accuracy of ratio for small batches to give
> the specified strength when cured. This has been discussed previously
> on the list, so you should be able to find references to it - but I
> can dig out the sums I did for my Ohaus digital scale if anyone wants
> to see them.
>
> regards
>
> Rowland
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
No they're not suited to the 914. But the roller cell pumps that are used
with that engine are available with a wide variety of fittings (eg banjo)
that not necessarily need a slip-on hose. But not in directly AN compatible
forms, as far as I know. It is however possible to obtain adapters to
achieve that compatibility.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "RK Hallett III" <n100rh@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuel pumps
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "RK Hallett III" <n100rh@sbcglobal.net>
>
> But, are they up to the demands of the 914? I really would like to avoid
> any slip on fuel lines in the same space where I sit.
>
> Ralph
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuel pumps
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean"
> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
> >
> > The Facet pumps are available ready-terminated with -6 AN male fittings.
> >
> > Duncan McF.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "RK Hallett III" <n100rh@sbcglobal.net>
Thanks, I will look into the options.
Ralph
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuel pumps
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean"
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> No they're not suited to the 914. But the roller cell pumps that are used
> with that engine are available with a wide variety of fittings (eg banjo)
> that not necessarily need a slip-on hose. But not in directly AN
compatible
> forms, as far as I know. It is however possible to obtain adapters to
> achieve that compatibility.
>
> Duncan McF.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "RK Hallett III" <n100rh@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuel pumps
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "RK Hallett III"
<n100rh@sbcglobal.net>
> >
> > But, are they up to the demands of the 914? I really would like to
avoid
> > any slip on fuel lines in the same space where I sit.
> >
> > Ralph
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuel pumps
> >
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean"
> > <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
> > >
> > > The Facet pumps are available ready-terminated with -6 AN male
fittings.
> > >
> > > Duncan McF.
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
on 9/17/03 4:43 AM, Jeremy Davey at jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey"
> <jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
>
>>>>> Not everyone has had these sort of problems with resin pumps. I
> wouldn't be without mine, which is the same Michael Engineering
> model, and has already built at least one Europa before I started
> using it.
>
> A key point, Rowland! The older Michael/Rook pumps all appear to be fine.
> It's the new ones they're having problems with - my recommendation to anyone
> wanting one is to get a second-hand example. It's not as if they wear out
> quickly!
>
> Cheers,
> Jeremy
>
> Jeremy Davey
>
> Europa XS Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
>
>
>
>
>
A problem I have with my "old" Michael Engineering pump...a machine
purchased 20 years ago amid the Q-2 craize (which, by the way, brings up a
lot of unpleasant memories of a not-ready-for-prime-time, fly-by-night,
under-financed, company which over-sold a marginally-designed kitplane (but
that's a too long, dreary tale)...back to the problem with the pump...it
might be wonderful if we were using resin/hardener mix ratio of 45:100 parts
by volume.
As for recalibrating the moment arms for a 25:100 ratio or modifying the
pump in my shop or at the factory, my seemingly straight forward email
request for info from Michael Eng. has gone unanswered which fits the
pattern of previous postings which characterized the company as
non-responsive and un-helpful.
Fred, A-194
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
.it might be wonderful if we were using resin/hardener mix ratio of
45:100 parts by volume.
Which is why I bought their variable setting one in the first place.
Over the (deleted) years I've been building the plane the pump has
stayed accurate to within a couple of drops at each of my calibration
tests.
.. And I don't know what I'd have done without my pump. It's been
marvellous just being able to open the door of my temperature controlled
cupboard, clear the hardener nozzle of the inevitable crust and mix any
amount of resin I want at a minutes notice without any fuss.
Tony
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