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1. 02:28 AM - Europa for Sale (Gerry Holland)
2. 03:38 AM - RE : Europa for Sale (Axel De Belder)
3. 09:33 AM - Re: Fuel flow measurement for 914 (Kevin Klinefelter)
4. 10:00 AM - Re: Fuel flow measurement for 914 (Gerry Holland)
5. 10:30 AM - Re: Fuel flow measurement for 914 (Gerry Holland)
6. 10:31 AM - Re: Fuel flow measurement for 914 (Richard Holder)
7. 12:00 PM - Re: Fuel flow measurement for 914 (Kevin Klinefelter)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Europa Kit No: 384 ( build still in progress) being considered for sale.
Registered as G-FIZY
A brief description.
XS Trigear with all Mods. and just awaiting Shoulder Mod delivery. Powered
by rebuilt 912 ( approx 150 hours TT - Skydrive) with Arplast PV50 and Smart
Avionics CS Controller. Fuselage at Painters but will probably cancel that
operation as not started yet. All control surfaces painted although some
'touch up' required after several Mods. and additions.
Speed Kit partially fitted.
Smoke Grey Glass with Pilots Air Vent.
Fuel system all metal with Andair Gascolator, Matronics FuelChec and
Capacitive Fuel gauge.
Electrics all completed in Fuselage and Panel 50% wired.
Avionics:
UPS SL 70 Transponder
Icom A-200 TX/RX
Bendix King KMD 150
Navaid Autopilot/Wing Leveller Installed
Rocky Mountain Encoder
EXP Bus Electrical Control Board
The Instruments are complete including Dynon EFIS D-10 with Standby Battery.
All Engine Instruments are analogue (Mitchell Miniatures).
In summary it's probably 80% completed but who knows when challenged by the
various combinations of regulation, set up and other controls that the
completion requires.
CONTACT ONLY BY E-MAIL!
More details on personal request only to e-mail: gnholland@onetel.com
I've no real feel for the price but I'm not Stupid and will talk plainly if
jerked about! I WILL NOT SELL ITEMS SEPARATELY! SO DONT ASK!
Sorry to sound strident on that last point but been there before.
Regards
Gerry
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Axel De Belder" <dbadf@pt.lu>
Good day,
I start to decide me to buy a EUROPA XS 3 gears and I saw you mail and this
is very interesting but I have also a question:
Why you are selling it and do you think that build an XS is possible for
everyone or you are encounter some difficulties than you abandon this
project?
At least I am very interested by this opportunity in case all is correct
but, if you don't mind, could you give me your reasons why you are selling
someting that is at 80% finished?
Sorry for bother you.
DE BELDER AXEL
318, ropute de Longwy
L-1940 LUXEMBOURG
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| Subject: | Fuel flow measurement for 914 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
I am installing the same EIS. Grand Rapids recommended using another fuel
flow sensor on the return line and the EIS figures the difference.
I was talking with Erich Trombley at the Reno Air Races and he described his
setup using just one flow sensor. The return line T's back in upstream of
the sensor, I believe. You should ask him, he says his setup is working well
with very good accuracy.
Kevin
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul McAllister
Subject: Europa-List: Fuel flow measurement for 914
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
I have a Grand Rapids EIS with the fuel flow option and I doubt if it will
work in its current configuration. The 914 has an integrated manifold for
fuel in and fuel return. I can see no way of measuring flow without having
to compensate to the return flow. Has anyone had any experience using the
EIS system and there fuel flow sensor on a 914 installation ?
Thanks & regards,
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel flow measurement for 914 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel flow measurement for 914 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel flow measurement for 914 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> I was talking with Erich Trombley at the Reno Air Races and he described his
> setup using just one flow sensor. The return line T's back in upstream of
> the sensor, I believe. You should ask him, he says his setup is working well
> with very good accuracy.
I would have thought that the return fuel pipe should go into the tank and
not immediately into the feed to the engine. One very good reason for the
return is to avoid vapour locking and you need "cool" (well Cooler) fuel
from the tank to go into the engine area. If you promptly pump hot (warmer)
fuel from the engine area back there you will end up a very warm loop.
I mention this as in our hit British climate (well it has been this year) I
have been getting misfiring which I am almost certain is down to vapour
lock. Mine is 912S.
Of course if you use two sensors and in flow is measured to 1% and return
flow is measured to 1% the inaccuracy for A minus B will be considerably
more than 1%.
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, EGSG (Stapleford)
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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| Subject: | Fuel flow measurement for 914 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
Ya, Erich said lots of people told him that it would cause hot fuel / vapor
lock problems. But he lives and flys out of Las Vegas. Talk about HOT! He
did also design his own cowling.
Hello, Erich?
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Holder
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel flow measurement for 914
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> I was talking with Erich Trombley at the Reno Air Races and he described
his
> setup using just one flow sensor. The return line T's back in upstream of
> the sensor, I believe. You should ask him, he says his setup is working
well
> with very good accuracy.
I would have thought that the return fuel pipe should go into the tank and
not immediately into the feed to the engine. One very good reason for the
return is to avoid vapour locking and you need "cool" (well Cooler) fuel
from the tank to go into the engine area. If you promptly pump hot (warmer)
fuel from the engine area back there you will end up a very warm loop.
I mention this as in our hit British climate (well it has been this year) I
have been getting misfiring which I am almost certain is down to vapour
lock. Mine is 912S.
Of course if you use two sensors and in flow is measured to 1% and return
flow is measured to 1% the inaccuracy for A minus B will be considerably
more than 1%.
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, EGSG (Stapleford)
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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