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Sat 09/27/03


Total Messages Posted: 17



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     1. 12:46 AM - Re: Caution for those using Electronic Scales ? Mix info (R.C.Harrison)
     2. 04:00 AM - Re: Caution for those using Electronic Scales ? Mix info (John Cliff)
     3. 04:41 AM - Re: Parts spreadsheet (Rowland Carson)
     4. 08:11 AM - Re: Caution for those using Electronic Scales ? Mix info (Steve Hagar)
     5. 08:54 AM - Re: Parts spreadsheet (Simon Smith)
     6. 11:33 AM - Re: Caution for those using Electronic Scales ? Mix info (JW)
     7. 12:54 PM - [ Charles F. Long ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
     8. 01:48 PM - control surface hinge pins (Fred R. Klein)
     9. 02:08 PM - Re: Caution for those using Electronic Scales ? Mix info (John & Amy Eckel)
    10. 02:25 PM - Fuel fires (John & Amy Eckel)
    11. 03:51 PM - Re: Caution for those using Electronic Scales ? Mix info (JW)
    12. 05:08 PM - Re: Fuel fires (n3eu@comcast.net)
    13. 05:40 PM - Fitting Rudder Pushrod Fitting CS29 (Jim Butcher)
    14. 06:21 PM - Re: Caution for those using Electronic Scales ? Mix (Jeff Roberts)
    15. 07:12 PM - Re: Outrigger wheels (David DeFord)
    16. 09:33 PM - Re: Caution for those using Electronic Scales ? Mix info (Ronald J. Parigoris)
    17. 09:50 PM - Re: Outrigger wheels (Ronald J. Parigoris)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:46:43 AM PST US
    From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
    Subject: Caution for those using Electronic Scales ? Mix info
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk> Brian. All my a/c was built using the Ohaus 200 model. I haven't got it to replicate the recommended test at present since I've lent it out. I don't see a problem .....unless you leave it too long standing after you have zero'd the scale then it resets itself which if you didn't notice could cause a problem, I never had it reset on me during a mix yet. It takes about 3 to 4 minutes of inactivity before it resets but by then you have certainly put the resin shot in to a known figure so if it self zero's all you do is put the required ammount of hardener in to a known figure. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of EuropaXSA279@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Caution for those using Electronic Scales ? Mix info --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA279@aol.com I wonder if any of you fine folks that have chosen an electronic scale could try this test. I have yet to purchase one but will soon. Speaking with my new friend Jeff on Thursday night, I had thought of purchasing the Ohaus c200. Can anyone make a brand and model recommendation that can pass scrutiny? Much thanks. Brian


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    Time: 04:00:48 AM PST US
    From: "John Cliff" <mx@crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Caution for those using Electronic Scales ? Mix info
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff" <mx@crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk> > I wonder if any of you fine folks that have chosen an electronic scale could > try this test. I have yet to purchase one but will soon. Speaking with my new > friend Jeff on Thursday night, I had thought of purchasing the Ohaus c200. > Can anyone make a brand and model recommendation that can pass scrutiny? > Much thanks. > Brian I have an Ohaus LS200, bought in 1996, I expect there is a new model by now. It passes the test and I have never noticed any anomolous behaviour with it. As said previously, it powers down (losing your reading) after several minutes of inactivity. This can be prevented by tapping the scale to disturb the reading, the timeout starts again. I have been very happy with it. For builders using the Ampreg epoxy, SP ask for a mix tolerance of 1% (for optimum performance, no doubt). Does anyone know what the 'official' mix tolerance is for Redux (or whatever it is called at the moment) ? Johnh Clif #0259


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    Time: 04:41:16 AM PST US
    From: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
    Subject: Re: Parts spreadsheet
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net> On 2003 09 26 at 20:26 +0100, Simon Smith wrote: >I'm sure I've seen a complete parts list somewhere on the net (in Excel form >I think) but despite extensive searching I cannot find it Simon - you're probably thinking of the parts list on the Europa Club CD-ROM, which might be why you can't find it on the internet! It's produced from my own monowheel manual, and doesn't (yet) include any firewall-forward stuff, and it started out (as every list I compile) in a FileMaker Pro database. On the CD, in the part-page xref folder, you should find separate Excel tabluations of both parts (with cross-references to manual pages) and manual pages (with cross-references to part numbers). There are also spreadsheet files in Symbolic Link format (.sylk) for those who don't use Excel, and dBase-format files which replicate the structure of the FMP file system. From those, anyone with a database manager that can import dBase format can re-construct the entire thing, which is more convenient than using it in Excel. Of course if any Club member wants the original FMP files, they are available on request. I started by doing my kit delivery inventory in a FMP file. I allocated an identifying number to each of the delivery boxes so that I knew where to look for things later. Then when I received updated manual pages I made a file for them so I knew what pages were updated and when. The last piece of the jigsaw was to relate those 2 files by noting every occurrence of every part number in the manual. It took quite a bit of work to compile, but once done, it has been very useful. For instance, it alerted me to the fact that the supplied quantities of some parts (fasteners, etc) did not match the numbers called out in the manual! regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary | Europa 435 G-ROWI (640 hours building) PFA #16532 | e-mail <memsec@europaclub.org.uk> website <www.europaclub.org.uk>


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    Time: 08:11:12 AM PST US
    From: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Caution for those using Electronic Scales ? Mix info
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net> Bag the electronic scale, get an Ohaus triple beam balance. I have been using one for 4 years now without a problem. You also get more of an intuitive feel for your mixing and quantities seeing the mechanical movement of the scale. If you can find an old dope smoker you can probably get his scale real cheap. Steve A143 Mesa, AZ > [Original Message] > From: <EuropaXSA279@aol.com> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com> > Date: 9/26/03 9:07:15 AM > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Caution for those using Electronic Scales ? Mix info > > --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA279@aol.com > > I wonder if any of you fine folks that have chosen an electronic scale could > try this test. I have yet to purchase one but will soon. Speaking with my new > friend Jeff on Thursday night, I had thought of purchasing the Ohaus c200. > Can anyone make a brand and model recommendation that can pass scrutiny? > Much thanks. > Brian > > > > > --- Steve Hagar --- hagargs@earthlink.net


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    Time: 08:54:17 AM PST US
    From: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
    Subject: Parts spreadsheet
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk> Thanks Rowland, I've now found it. Thanks also to Ian who phoned me to tell me where to look! Simon -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rowland Carson Subject: Re: Europa-List: Parts spreadsheet --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net> On 2003 09 26 at 20:26 +0100, Simon Smith wrote: >I'm sure I've seen a complete parts list somewhere on the net (in Excel >form I think) but despite extensive searching I cannot find it Simon - you're probably thinking of the parts list on the Europa Club CD-ROM, which might be why you can't find it on the internet! It's produced from my own monowheel manual, and doesn't (yet) include any firewall-forward stuff, and it started out (as every list I compile) in a FileMaker Pro database. On the CD, in the part-page xref folder, you should find separate Excel tabluations of both parts (with cross-references to manual pages) and manual pages (with cross-references to part numbers). There are also spreadsheet files in Symbolic Link format (.sylk) for those who don't use Excel, and dBase-format files which replicate the structure of the FMP file system. From those, anyone with a database manager that can import dBase format can re-construct the entire thing, which is more convenient than using it in Excel. Of course if any Club member wants the original FMP files, they are available on request. I started by doing my kit delivery inventory in a FMP file. I allocated an identifying number to each of the delivery boxes so that I knew where to look for things later. Then when I received updated manual pages I made a file for them so I knew what pages were updated and when. The last piece of the jigsaw was to relate those 2 files by noting every occurrence of every part number in the manual. It took quite a bit of work to compile, but once done, it has been very useful. For instance, it alerted me to the fact that the supplied quantities of some parts (fasteners, etc) did not match the numbers called out in the manual! regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary | Europa 435 G-ROWI (640 hours building) PFA #16532 | e-mail <memsec@europaclub.org.uk> website <www.europaclub.org.uk> advertising on the Matronics Forums.


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    Time: 11:33:30 AM PST US
    From: JW <xs191@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Caution for those using Electronic Scales ? Mix info
    --> Europa-List message posted by: JW <xs191@comcast.net> I chose the Ohaus model SCA210 (Scout II). It has a range of 0.1 to 1200 grams. I experimented with sums and totals when I received it. It also came with a 1000 gram weight for calibrating it. I've been very happy with it. EuropaXSA279@aol.com wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA279@aol.com > > I wonder if any of you fine folks that have chosen an electronic scale could > try this test. I have yet to purchase one but will soon. Speaking with my new > friend Jeff on Thursday night, I had thought of purchasing the Ohaus c200. > Can anyone make a brand and model recommendation that can pass scrutiny? > Much thanks. > Brian


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    Time: 12:54:36 PM PST US
    Subject: [ Charles F. Long ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
    From: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com> A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Charles F. Long <charles.long@gm.com> Subject: GPS Color Moving Map For Less Than $500 http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/charles.long@gm.com.09.27.2003/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com


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    Time: 01:48:29 PM PST US
    Subject: control surface hinge pins
    From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com> Hi All! Earlier this month I noted an exchange between Kingsley Hurst and Jim Nelson concerning the use of a continuous (long) hinge pin as a means of eliminating the surface bolt heads for the rudder and trim tab hinges; I later viewed some pics of Jim's installation (thank you again Jim) in order to fully understand how this worked. I'm wondering if this mod could be further refined by flipping the hinges so that the hinges fall within the respective slots. In this event, the notching of the rudder and trim tab flanges would not be necessary...thus resulting in a clean line between the vertical fin and the rudder and the hinges would not be visable at all. Of course the edges of the flanges would have to be true and allow for the required clearance for full deflection. If this technique were to be adopted, insertion of the hinge pin (since it too would lie within the slot) could be a challenge which conceivably could be overcome by grinding the hinge pin to a point and patiently poking it til it found its way through the holes in the hinges. Have any of you'all out there considered...attempted...executed...or abandoned something like this? Of course I am in the early stage of construction, and have the luxury of considering such nuances...and I'm also mindful of the traps laid by neurotic perfectionism and endless refinement...the phrase, "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here" comes to mind. Fred


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    Time: 02:08:10 PM PST US
    From: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Caution for those using Electronic Scales ? Mix info
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net> I think you have missed the point Ron was making about electronic scales timing out. Ron was at my house looking at my Europa when he tested my scale for this problem. I have a My Weigh 3001, which has a 1 gram accuracy. Ron tore up a piece of paper and placed it on the scale. It weighed 3 grams. He took the paper off the scale and then put the paper back on a little at a time over about 5 seconds. The scale showed 0, yes ZERO. I just reran the experiment with 2 sheets of paper that weigh 5 grams. I riped them into 9 pcs and placed them on the scale at 1 sec intervals, the scale read 0. When I lifted the paper it read -5 grams. This means that if you are adding the last bit of epoxy/hardener to the cup slowly to get the weight exact you may not be where you think you are. The way to check this is to lift the cup off the scale and it should go back to zero of the last reading you had. John, A230 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Caution for those using Electronic Scales ? Mix info > --> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff" <mx@crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk> > > > I wonder if any of you fine folks that have chosen an electronic scale could > > try this test. I have yet to purchase one but will soon. Speaking with my new > > friend Jeff on Thursday night, I had thought of purchasing the Ohaus c200. > > Can anyone make a brand and model recommendation that can pass scrutiny? > > Much thanks. > > Brian > > I have an Ohaus LS200, bought in 1996, I expect there is a new model by now. > > It passes the test and I have never noticed any anomolous behaviour with it. As > said previously, it powers down (losing your reading) after several minutes of > inactivity. This can be prevented by tapping the scale to disturb the reading, > the timeout starts again. I have been very happy with it. > > For builders using the Ampreg epoxy, SP ask for a mix tolerance of 1% (for > optimum performance, no doubt). Does anyone know what the 'official' mix > tolerance is for Redux (or whatever it is called at the moment) ? > > Johnh Clif > #0259 > >


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    Time: 02:25:54 PM PST US
    From: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
    Subject: Fuel fires
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net> There have been several discussion about the possibility of static discharge causing a fire while refueling. Many years ago I recall seeing a film on solvent safety cans. In the film the speaker was lighting a fire at the spout of solvent cans while inside a hanger at Idewild Airport. For you younger guys this is now JFK. He was able to do this because the spouts on the cans had a wire mesh inside the spout. I am wondering if this would be a viable precaution to take with our Europas Any thoughts or experience. John, A230


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    Time: 03:51:22 PM PST US
    From: JW <xs191@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Caution for those using Electronic Scales ? Mix info
    --> Europa-List message posted by: JW <xs191@comcast.net> Yup. I did basically the same thing with a bunch of rubber bands. It doesn't matter how I add or remove them. They always weigh the same whether I add them all at once, or one at a time, over time. Removing them all at once, or one at a time, over time, ends in 0.0. John & Amy Eckel wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net> > > I think you have missed the point Ron was making about electronic scales > timing out.


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    Time: 05:08:53 PM PST US
    From: n3eu@comcast.net
    Subject: Re: Fuel fires
    --> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net > There have been several discussion about the possibility of static discharge > causing a fire while refueling. > Many years ago I recall seeing a film on solvent safety cans. In the film > the speaker was lighting a fire at the spout of solvent cans while inside > a hanger at Idewild Airport. For you younger guys this is now JFK. He was > able to do this because the spouts on the cans had a wire mesh inside the > spout. I am wondering if this would be a viable precaution to take with our > Europas > Any thoughts or experience. > > John, A230 Fuel is nonconductive, so I can't see what it has to do with static. But the mesh can aerate the fuel which then creates static inside the tank. An FAA directive on fuel systems discusses aeration and big airplanes planes whose pressure-fueling plumbing systems may not be fully conductive. The flame won't ignite the fuel vapor if the mixture ratio is out of a specific range, not that the above stunt was just a parlor trick, but how the mesh can safely alter the ratio isn't intuitive. Given the product liability situation in the U.S., if 10-cents worth of mesh did anything to prevent one $10-million judgment for a badly disfiguring, personal injury, you'd think all gas cans would be like that. Regards, Fred F.


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    Time: 05:40:31 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
    Subject: Fitting Rudder Pushrod Fitting CS29
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net> We are fitting Graham Singleton's XS rudder modification and having difficulity establishing the position of the CS29 push rod fitting in the rudder. When deflecting the rudder to port, we find the push rod hits the port side of the rudder leading edge before the new steering arm gets to the stop. We are able to get more than 32 deg of movement to stbd. We have trimmed the port side of the rudder to give the push rod clearance to the point that if we trim further the opening will be visible when the rudder is at neutral. If we move CS29 further forward, the stbd edge of CS29 will be above the surface of the rudder skin. Does anyone have any suggestions from having completed this step for Graham's mod or the Classic rudder? Thanks Jim & Heather A185


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    Time: 06:21:49 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Caution for those using Electronic Scales ? Mix
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    From: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net> on 9/27/03 4:07 PM, John & Amy Eckel at eckel1@comcast.net wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net> > > > I think you have missed the point Ron was making about electronic scales > timing out. > Ron was at my house looking at my Europa when he tested my scale for this > problem. I have a My Weigh 3001, which has a 1 gram accuracy. > Ron tore up a piece of paper and placed it on the scale. It weighed 3 > grams. > He took the paper off the scale and then put the paper back on a little at a > time over about 5 seconds. The scale showed 0, yes ZERO. > I just reran the experiment with 2 sheets of paper that weigh 5 grams. > I riped them into 9 pcs and placed them on the scale at 1 sec intervals, > the scale read 0. When I lifted the paper it read -5 grams. > This means that if you are adding the last bit of epoxy/hardener to the cup > slowly to get the weight exact you may not be where you think you are. > The way to check this is to lift the cup off the scale and it should go > back to > zero of the last reading you had. > > John, A230 > > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Caution for those using Electronic Scales ? Mix > info > > >> --> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff" > <mx@crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk> >> >>> I wonder if any of you fine folks that have chosen an electronic scale > could >>> try this test. I have yet to purchase one but will soon. Speaking with > my new >>> friend Jeff on Thursday night, I had thought of purchasing the Ohaus > c200. >>> Can anyone make a brand and model recommendation that can pass scrutiny? >>> Much thanks. >>> Brian >> >> I have an Ohaus LS200, bought in 1996, I expect there is a new model by > now. >> >> It passes the test and I have never noticed any anomolous behaviour with > it. As >> said previously, it powers down (losing your reading) after several > minutes of >> inactivity. This can be prevented by tapping the scale to disturb the > reading, >> the timeout starts again. I have been very happy with it. >> >> For builders using the Ampreg epoxy, SP ask for a mix tolerance of 1% (for >> optimum performance, no doubt). Does anyone know what the 'official' mix >> tolerance is for Redux (or whatever it is called at the moment) ? >> >> Johnh Clif >> #0259 >> >> > > > > > > Sometimes we seem to just beat a subject to death. Our friends at Flight Crafters have built more Europas than anyone on this side of the pond. After I built a scale, I went there and did 3 weeks of fun building. They were using an electronic scale that measured in 10ths of grams and their lies the difference. I bought an Ohas C200 that measures in 10ths of grams and Im just about finished with my airframe without any problems. Use the scale follow the chart that comes with the kit and mix only what you need. Its cheep, Its easy, its quick, and it works! Jeff A258


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    Time: 07:12:41 PM PST US
    From: "David DeFord" <davedeford@comcast.net>
    Subject: Outrigger wheels
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "David DeFord" <davedeford@comcast.net> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "J. R. Jones" > <jronjones@lineone.net> > > Hello all, > In May, Peter Zutrauen kindly posted an extract from Dennis > Vories' article in which he (Dennis) gives details of the > outrigger he has fitted to his Europa. Does anyone have > Dennis's email address or, perhaps, details of the wheels > used? Any help much appreciated. Regards to all, Ron Jones. > (G-RJWX. XS 359) Erich Trombley is using wheels made by Colson Caster (www.colsoncaster.com), which he says are the same as the ones Dennis used. Following his lead, we have installed the model 2.00004.445 wheel (4" dia., 1.25" wide, ball bearing, Performa rubber), which has a flat profile, like the factory wheels. Erich chose a round profile instead, I believe. The only (minor) problem is that the bearing bore is 0.375", so a bushing is needed to fit the original axle bolt. They are much quieter when taxiing than the original wheels supplied by Europa. We got ours from Roll-Rite Corporation of Hayward, California, at $7.60 each for 4 wheels. Dave DeFord N135TD


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    Time: 09:33:28 PM PST US
    From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
    Subject: Re: Caution for those using Electronic Scales ? Mix info
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us> Hello john Thanks for chiming in. Yup don't think my point got across very well.Time out was thought by some to be reset from lack of use. I hope the post helps some. ron parigoris Just got back from hanger. flaps done, set up for aileron root closeouts ready once have hinges installed. have hinge and mass weight control locations for left wing, tomorrow will have right wing ones. John & Amy Eckel wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net> > > I think you have missed the point Ron was making about electronic scales > timing out. > Ron was at my house looking at my Europa when he tested my scale for this > problem. I have a My Weigh 3001, which has a 1 gram accuracy. > Ron tore up a piece of paper and placed it on the scale. It weighed 3 > grams. > He took the paper off the scale and then put the paper back on a little at a > time over about 5 seconds. The scale showed 0, yes ZERO. > I just reran the experiment with 2 sheets of paper that weigh 5 grams. > I riped them into 9 pcs and placed them on the scale at 1 sec intervals, > the scale read 0. When I lifted the paper it read -5 grams. > This means that if you are adding the last bit of epoxy/hardener to the cup > slowly to get the weight exact you may not be where you think you are. > The way to check this is to lift the cup off the scale and it should go > back to > zero of the last reading you had. > > John, A230 > > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Caution for those using Electronic Scales ? Mix > info > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff" > <mx@crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk> > > > > > I wonder if any of you fine folks that have chosen an electronic scale > could > > > try this test. I have yet to purchase one but will soon. Speaking with > my new > > > friend Jeff on Thursday night, I had thought of purchasing the Ohaus > c200. > > > Can anyone make a brand and model recommendation that can pass scrutiny? > > > Much thanks. > > > Brian > > > > I have an Ohaus LS200, bought in 1996, I expect there is a new model by > now. > > > > It passes the test and I have never noticed any anomolous behaviour with > it. As > > said previously, it powers down (losing your reading) after several > minutes of > > inactivity. This can be prevented by tapping the scale to disturb the > reading, > > the timeout starts again. I have been very happy with it. > > > > For builders using the Ampreg epoxy, SP ask for a mix tolerance of 1% (for > > optimum performance, no doubt). Does anyone know what the 'official' mix > > tolerance is for Redux (or whatever it is called at the moment) ? > > > > Johnh Clif > > #0259 > > > > >


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    From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
    Subject: Re: Outrigger wheels
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us> Hello David I too purchased some 4 inch gray flat tread colson castors with ball Bearings. I have yet to install them, but purchased some larger diameter hardware so spacers will not be necessary. Question: What are you doing about the ball bearings not being sealed, just leaving them opened? Or did you install some sort of bearing protector? thanks Ron Parigoris David DeFord wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "David DeFord" <davedeford@comcast.net> > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "J. R. Jones" > > <jronjones@lineone.net> > > > > Hello all, > > In May, Peter Zutrauen kindly posted an extract from Dennis > > Vories' article in which he (Dennis) gives details of the > > outrigger he has fitted to his Europa. Does anyone have > > Dennis's email address or, perhaps, details of the wheels > > used? Any help much appreciated. Regards to all, Ron Jones. > > (G-RJWX. XS 359) > > Erich Trombley is using wheels made by Colson Caster (www.colsoncaster.com), > which he says are the same as the ones Dennis used. Following his lead, we > have installed the model 2.00004.445 wheel (4" dia., 1.25" wide, ball > bearing, Performa rubber), which has a flat profile, like the factory > wheels. Erich chose a round profile instead, I believe. The only (minor) > problem is that the bearing bore is 0.375", so a bushing is needed to fit > the original axle bolt. They are much quieter when taxiing than the > original wheels supplied by Europa. We got ours from Roll-Rite Corporation > of Hayward, California, at $7.60 each for 4 wheels. > > Dave DeFord > N135TD >




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