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1. 07:29 AM - Re: Fitting Rudder Pushrod Fitting CS29 (Rowland Carson)
2. 08:48 AM - RF & Shelded Cable (Alan Stills)
3. 09:08 AM - Re: RF & Shelded Cable (Norbert.P.Hoffmann@t-online.de (Norbert P. Hoffmann))
4. 09:20 AM - Re: Outrigger wheels (J. R. Jones)
5. 09:24 AM - Re: Parts spreadsheet (Fergus Kyle)
6. 09:44 AM - Re: Parts spreadsheet (Simon Smith)
7. 09:53 AM - Trigear MLG sockets (Simon Smith)
8. 10:10 AM - Terra TRT250D transponder - TriGear G-OGAN (Peter Grant)
9. 11:18 AM - Re: Counterweight tower fixing (paul stewart)
10. 12:14 PM - Re: Trigear MLG sockets (R.C.Harrison)
11. 12:20 PM - Re: Terra TRT250D transponder - TriGear G-OGAN (Alan Stewart)
12. 12:42 PM - A few pictures (Simon Smith)
13. 01:31 PM - Re: Fitting Rudder Pushrod Fitting CS29 (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
14. 02:39 PM - Thrust line vertical dimension as measured from top-rear of cowl? (Peter Zutrauen)
15. 03:14 PM - Re: Thrust line vertical dimension as measured from top-rear of cowl? (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
16. 03:32 PM - Re: Fitting Rudder Pushrod Fitting CS29 (Kingsley Hurst)
17. 08:44 PM - [ R.C.Harrison ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
18. 10:25 PM - Mini U2 progress report (DJA727@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Fitting Rudder Pushrod Fitting CS29 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
On 2003 09 27 at 20:46 -0400, Jim Butcher wrote:
>We are fitting Graham Singleton's XS rudder modification and having
>difficulity establishing the position of the CS29 push rod fitting
>in the rudder
Jim - can't say for certain about the pushrod clearance slot. I
SHOULD know, as I've just been examining the rudders of several
Europas at Kemble in order to confirm the positioning of my own CS29.
I think that the slot was visible at neutral on at least some of
them, but wouldn't stake my life on it. No doubt others will respond.
My own concern was about the vertical positioning. The Classic manual
reprint shows a measurement from the bottom of the rudder. which I've
already rounded off to clear the tailwheel spring. I noted the
position of the pushrod WRT the bottom hinge, and then checked the
positions of the hinges WRT the top & bottom of the rudder. All this
gave me confidence that my own measurement (from where I'd
extrapolated the bottom of the rudder to be) was pretty satisfactory.
>When deflecting the rudder to port, we find the push rod hits the
>port side of the rudder leading edge before the new steering arm
>gets to the stop. We are able to get more than 32 deg of movement
>to stbd.
This leads me to suspect that no matter how much of a slot you cut,
you won't get 30 degrees deflection to port. I say this because in
addition to the above, I was wondering how critical the positioning
of CS29 port & starboard was. I've got the XS version of the kit and
the appropriate flavour of Graham's mod to suit. I gather for Classic
fuselages Graham uses the original tailwheel pivot, but for the XS
supplies a bellcrank which mounts on trunnion brackets affixed to the
bulkhead at FS171.
I drew up the whole thing in CADintosh and found that the Graham
Singleton bellcrank would have to move through over 89 degrees to get
60 degrees (ie 30 each way) rudder movement (>96 degrees for 64
degrees rudder). This is based on the measured lever arm of 1 25/32"
on Graham's bellcrank, and assuming the rudder lever arm of 2.5"
specified in the Europa manual (p28-4, 17 Jan 96, issue 1).
When I assembled the bellcrank on its brackets, the stops limited the
deflection to about 88.5 degrees, so obviously something would need
slight adjustment.
At first I thought of moving the CS29 starboard slightly to reduce
the rudder lever arm. I found that having the CS29 hole centre 2.35"
from the rudder hinge centre gave just under 32 degrees rudder
deflection.
Then I read Graham's instructions again (YES! I know! When all else
fails ...) and he suggested changing the thickness of the sleeves
which act as stops for the bellcrank. He had supplied 1/4" ID, 3/8"
OD tube, but I just happened to have some 4130 tube (1/4" ID, 5/16"
OD) left over from the outrigger pivot mod. When I substituted the
thinner tube and redid all the sums, things looked just fine, giving
about 61 degrees total rudder movement with the 2.5" rudder arm.
On the strength of all my comparison measurements, I took my courage
in both hands and hacked a hole in the rudder LE. I find that with
the CS29 firmly against the inside of the port skin, the lever arm is
2.5" (as close as I can measure). A couple of layers of BID will tend
to reduce that slightly, giving me a bit more leeway for increased
rudder deflection, should other things not turn out exactly as
expected. Thus, I'm happy to bond in the CS29 without checking the
physical deflection available. I intend to ensure correct balance
between port & stbd deflections by facing the pushrod to length when
fitting.
And why am I doing all these sums instead of "fit and try" as
suggested in the manual? I want to get all my foam parts post-cured
in a batch, but don't want to wait for that until I have got the
fuselage ready to hang the rudder. (I reckon the bit of the rudder
that gets carved away at the top LE corner to clear the fin flange
will survive without post-curing.)
>If we move CS29 further forward, the stbd edge of CS29 will be above
>the surface of the rudder skin.
I'm pretty sure you don't want to be doing that!
Sorry I can't help much with your original query, but would be
interested to know, when you get it all sorted and working, if your
deflection measurements support my calculations.
regards
Rowland
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| Subject: | RF & Shelded Cable |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stills" <astills785@earthlink.net>
Just a request to get some info from those that are already flying or have radio's
up and running. How may of you that have wingtip strobes used shelded cables
in the wings and how many did not. And the main question is how many without
the shelded cable get RF feedback when the strobes are on? I ran shelded wire
in the wings but put a connector (in line wire connector) at the inspection
plate midway in the wings and am wondering if I may have too much unshelded in
the wings.
Al Stills
A095
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| Subject: | Re: RF & Shelded Cable |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Norbert.P.Hoffmann@t-online.de (Norbert P. Hoffmann)
Al,
I use unshielded wire for my wingtip strobes and have not experienced any
noise. Radio is a KX125 using the Europa Antenna in the rudder (fin) flange.
Norbert D-EUPA (approx. 100 hrs)
Am Sonntag, 28. September 2003 17:47 schrieb Alan Stills:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stills" <astills785@earthlink.net>
>
> Just a request to get some info from those that are already flying or have
> radio's up and running. How may of you that have wingtip strobes used
> shelded cables in the wings and how many did not. And the main question is
> how many without the shelded cable get RF feedback when the strobes are on?
> I ran shelded wire in the wings but put a connector (in line wire
> connector) at the inspection plate midway in the wings and am wondering if
> I may have too much unshelded in the wings.
>
> Al Stills
> A095
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| Subject: | Re: Outrigger wheels |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "J. R. Jones" <jronjones@lineone.net>
Greetings to David deFord, Paul Boulet and Peter Zutrauen !
Many thanks, chaps, for your most helpful replies on the above.
I have read Dennis Vories' article (well, most of it!) - he has certainly
added a great deal of stuff to his aeroplane, wonder what it weighs ?
Thanks David for the info on the Colson Caster products - I will follow
that up straight away as they sound like the very thing.
Thanks again and my best regards to all,
Ron Jones.
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| Subject: | Re: Parts spreadsheet |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
| --> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
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| Thanks Rowland, I've now found it.|
| Thanks also to Ian who phoned me to tell me where to look!|
| Simon
OK, Simon,
I give up. Where?
Ferg
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| Subject: | Parts spreadsheet |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
See Rowland's message above. It is on the club CD (available from Rowland)
Simon
504 G-BZTN
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fergus Kyle
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Parts spreadsheet
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
| --> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
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| Thanks Rowland, I've now found it.|
| Thanks also to Ian who phoned me to tell me where to look!|
| Simon
OK, Simon,
I give up. Where?
Ferg
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| Subject: | Trigear MLG sockets |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
Hi all,
I've been rigging up the sockets for the MLG today and came across a
problem. Everything seemed okay except the end of the legs were 0.5" short
of the required 36.75" out from the centre. Much head scratching, tea
drinking and manual reading ensued but eventually I gave in and rang
Neville.
Guess which pillock was trying to fit the sockets from the inside of the fuz
not the outside!!!
The manual is not very clear on this, in fact the only clue is where it tell
you to scuff sand the outside of the fuz, which of course is over the page!
How this helps anyone else approaching this stage.
Simon Smith
504 G-BZTN
PS I've just had a look back through the archives and I see that this has
been mentioned before but not for a couple of years or so.
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| Subject: | Terra TRT250D transponder - TriGear G-OGAN |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Grant" <peter@us-eurolink.co.uk>
Ours seems completely dead (it's been stored for a year after a major
accident) and as is no longer manufactured, anyone any ideas of
somewhere for service support, please?
Regards
Peter Grant
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| Subject: | Re: Counterweight tower fixing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "paul stewart" <paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
Ferg
Don't know if this is what you are referring to - Graham Singlrton posted
some pictures of my counterbalance bulkhead together with some details of
how to avoid crawling down into the rear fuselage. All that can be founf at
http://www.crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk/Techniques/rear.htm
if its what your after.
regards
Paul Stewart #432
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From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Subject: Europa-List: Counterweight tower fixing
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
> Cheers,
> Someone directed our eyes recently (I believe) to an ingenious
> scheme for fixing the counterweight tower top to the fuselage ceiling,
with
> bolts and revised contours to permit rotating it out of position. Darned
if
> I can find it again. If someone can resurrect the address I would be most
> grateful.
> It's not easy when you're old.
> Ferg
>
>
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| Subject: | Trigear MLG sockets |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Simon.
Whilst you are on the subject problem I suggest that you investigate keeping
the "toe in" of the wheels to the absolute minimum to keep tyre wear at an
acceptable minimum when fully loaded.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa 337 MKI/Jabiru 3300
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Simon Smith
Subject: Europa-List: Trigear MLG sockets
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
Hi all,
I've been rigging up the sockets for the MLG today and came across a
problem. Everything seemed okay except the end of the legs were 0.5" short
of the required 36.75" out from the centre. Much head scratching, tea
drinking and manual reading ensued but eventually I gave in and rang
Neville.
Guess which pillock was trying to fit the sockets from the inside of the fuz
not the outside!!!
The manual is not very clear on this, in fact the only clue is where it tell
you to scuff sand the outside of the fuz, which of course is over the page!
How this helps anyone else approaching this stage.
Simon Smith
504 G-BZTN
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| Subject: | Terra TRT250D transponder - TriGear G-OGAN |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stewart" <alan.stewart@blueyonder.co.uk>
Graeme Laucht (Long Marston- UK) sometimes repairs Terra kit.
Write me, and I'll dig out his address.
Alan
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Grant
Subject: Europa-List: Terra TRT250D transponder - TriGear G-OGAN
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Grant"
--> <peter@us-eurolink.co.uk>
Ours seems completely dead (it's been stored for a year after a major
accident) and as is no longer manufactured, anyone any ideas of
somewhere for service support, please?
Regards
Peter Grant
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
Hi all,
I've just uploaded a couple of shots to
http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~jodel/
Just the panel and the finger brake mod at the moment but I'll add more as
and when I get the time.
Simon
504 G-BZTN
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| Subject: | Fitting Rudder Pushrod Fitting CS29 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>> If we move CS29 further forward, the stbd edge of CS29 will be above
the surface of the rudder skin.
I just cut a little notch in the flange to accommodate the extra
movement.
FYI, we've just had a local pilot find the 2:1 ratio between the
tailwheel and rudder movement on Graham's mod to be a bit of a handful
for him to handle on sealed runways. He had no problem on grass but had
some real issues operating off the seal. He's remodelled the tailwheel
arm and reduced the ratio to 1.5 to 1. While he can't turn as tight a
radius when parking on the couple of landings done so far he's found
that he is much happier with the plane's behaviour on landing.
The new arm that has been made allows the ratio to be set at 1:1, 1.5:1
or 2:1 simply by relocating the aft fittings. Once the high winds die
down here then they are going to do a series of tests to do a
comparitive test between all of the ratios.
Tony
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| Subject: | Thrust line vertical dimension as measured from top-rear |
of cowl?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
Hi Folks,
I have an odd question: Could someone tell me what the XS thrust-line
dimension is as measured from the center of the spinner vertically to
the horizontal plane of the top-rear of the cowl at the bottom of the
windshield?
Also, what spinner diameter is used for the Airmaster prop on the
standard Europa XS cowl, and for the Classic cowl (if different)? 8" or
10"?
Cheers & many thanks,
Pete
A239
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| Subject: | Thrust line vertical dimension as measured from top-rear |
of cowl?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>>> Also, what spinner diameter is used for the Airmaster prop on the
standard Europa XS cowl, and for the Classic cowl (if different)? 8" or
10"?
The Classic cowl uses the Europa supplied Classic spinner. The XS uses a
metal version of the Europa supplied 10" spinner.
You can see these online at
http://www.airmasterpropellers.com/wa.asp?idWebPage=4361
Tony
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| Subject: | Re: Fitting Rudder Pushrod Fitting CS29 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Jim Butcher wrote:
> We have trimmed the port side of the rudder to give the push rod clearance
to the point that if we trim further the opening will be visible when the
rudder is at neutral.
Jim,
I have just recently installed this mod myself. 7mm of the slot for my push
rod is visible with neutral rudder and this allows me to get 31 degrees of
rudder movement to Port.
Regards
Kingsley Hurst
Mono Classic 281 in Oz
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| Subject: | [ R.C.Harrison ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
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| Subject: | Mini U2 progress report |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
Hello to the group,
Just a brief report of the performance of the long wing Europa. I have been
asked several times about how well the airplane performs as a glider and after
today I can provide some input.
I did a flight today in thermal lift conditions. The flight was a total of
2.2 hours with the engine shut down for 1 hour and 20 minutes. I shutdown and
feathered at 8,800 feet and found a thermal, which I rode up to 14,100 feet. I
had to pull the speed brakes at that point, since I didn't think I would get
that high and hadn't turned on the O2 bottle which is now located in the aft
fuselage. I am not an experienced glider pilot, so these results are possible
with my experience level. The field elevation is 4,700 feet and I returned to the
airport as a glider, restarting the engine on the 45 leg to downwind ( at
7,000 feet msl). Had it not restarted, I would have simply landed the same way
I
did - without the go around possibility.
I don't have any specific number on the glide ratio, but I now know that the
airplane is very usable as a glider. I have done also well in weak lift
conditions as reported by the local glider community. I am a big believer in the
safety of the high aspect ratio wings - more each time I fly it.
I how have 130 landings and 120 hours of total time. As of the last few days,
the engine is losing the battle with the airframe! The total fuel burn for
today's flight was less than 2 gallons. Had I turned on the O2 and had somewhere
to go, I could have made a significant headway with the engine off -- going
from thermal to thermal.
One last point -- there was some discussion about outrigger wheels. I have
made the change to the outrigger wheels mentioned by a few (can't remember the
name) and they have worked out OK. The glider people here seem to like to use
"scooter wheels" -- which are like roller blade wheels and have sealed
bearings. They are 100mm and cost about $10 each. I have an extra set of outrigger
wheel bottom brackets and have fitted those wheels to try out the wheels. They
are very smooth and fit right in place - with spacers to center them as they are
skinnier. Since there is very little load on the wheels, they will be OK. The
gliders use them as tail wheels in many cases. I bought mine at a sporting
goods store (FAA approved of course!)
I have posted a picture taken in the flight yesterday working up to today's
successful soaring flight.
http://hometown.aol.com/dja727/index.html
Dave
A227
Mini U2
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