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                           Europa-List Digest Archive
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                     Total Messages Posted Tue 10/07/03: 9
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Today's Message Index:
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     1. 02:23 AM - Re: Aileron Pushrod and tiedowns 2 questions  (Paul Mansfield)
     2. 02:33 AM - Re: engine mounting / oil tank  (G-IANI)
     3. 11:45 AM - Re: SPA400 Intercom  (David Watts)
     4. 02:52 PM - thro the fire wall  (paul stewart)
     5. 04:19 PM - Re: thro the fire wall  (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
     6. 06:53 PM - Re: thro the fire wall  ()
     7. 07:29 PM - Re: thro the fire wall  (Steve Hagar)
     8. 07:47 PM - Re: thro the fire wall  (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
     9. 08:16 PM - Re: thro the fire wall  (Fergus Kyle)
 
 
 
________________________________  Message 1  _____________________________________


Time: 02:23:29 AM PST US
From: "Paul Mansfield" <m@nsfield.screaming.net>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Aileron Pushrod and tiedowns 2 questions

--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul Mansfield" <m@nsfield.screaming.net>

Hi Ron,

If you want to reach Andy or Neville, I guess the best addresses to use are:
mailto:andy@europa-aircraft.com and mailto:Neville@europa-aircraft.com.

Hope this helps,

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ronald J.
Parigoris
Subject: Europa-List: Aileron Pushrod and tiedowns 2 questions

--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" 
--> <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>

Hello Neville
<snip>






________________________________  Message 2  _____________________________________


Time: 02:33:08 AM PST US
From: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: engine mounting / oil tank

--> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>

"The bolts used to attach the engine to the landing gear frame are
described as both AN5-40 and AN5-41 in my copy of the build manual. "

The bolts that came with mine were AN5-40 and initially I had the same
feeling that hey were short.  The AN5-40 turned out to be OK with, if I
remember rightly, one less washer.  The 1.5 degree offset to the right was
spot on so I did not need washers to correct it.  I believe you will only
need the longer bolts if the offset needs correcting.

" does anyone have such a diagram 'cos I 'ain't."

Page 3-3 should be the oil tank bracket diagram.  This page does appear to
be missing from the PDF version of the manual on the Club CD.  If you need a
paper copy I am sure the factory will send you one.  If you have any
problems ring/e-mail  me and I will copy mine and send it.

Ian Rickard  #505 G-IANI
Europa Club Assistant Mods Rep
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of paul stewart
Subject: Europa-List: engine mounting / oil tank
Paul Stewart #432






________________________________  Message 3  _____________________________________


Time: 11:45:25 AM PST US
From: "David Watts" <dg.watts@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: SPA400 Intercom

--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Watts" <dg.watts@virgin.net>

Thanks Jean but I have now got all the information of the Sigtronics website
as suggested by Michael Parkins and thanks Michael.
Dave

> I have that system installed on my europa. If you want I can send you my
> documentation.
>Jean






________________________________  Message 4  _____________________________________


Time: 02:52:56 PM PST US
From: "paul stewart" <paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
Subject: Europa-List: thro the fire wall

--> Europa-List message posted by: "paul stewart" <paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>


This engine (914) is throwing up more questions then the whole of the
project so far. Having disconnected the TCU and wastegate servo to mount
them aft of  the firewall, the manual very succinctly tells me to make
holes as small as possible and use a suitable method of sealing.

I'm guessing that folk make holes to take the pressure sensors etc.
rather than the large TCU block connector through the fire wall. What is
a 'suitable method' of sealing - anyone got a pic or two. I suspect
seeing this sort of thing would be a great help.

Regards and thanks in anticipation

Paul   #432

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<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>This engine (914) is throwing up more
questions
then the whole of the project so far. Having disconnected the TCU and
wastegate
servo to mount them aft of&nbsp; the firewall, the manual very
succinctly tells
me to make holes as small as possible and use a suitable method of
sealing.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>I'm guessing that folk make holes to
take the
pressure sensors etc. rather than the large TCU block connector through
the fire
wall. What is a 'suitable method' of sealing - anyone got a pic or two.
I
suspect seeing this sort of thing would be a great help.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Regards and thanks in
anticipation</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Paul&nbsp;&nbsp;
#432</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>






________________________________  Message 5  _____________________________________


Time: 04:19:41 PM PST US
Subject: RE: Europa-List: thro the fire wall
From: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>

--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>


>> I'm guessing that folk make holes to take the pressure sensors etc.
rather than the large TCU block connector through the fire wall. What is
a 'suitable method' of sealing - anyone got a pic or two. I suspect
seeing this sort of thing would be a great help.

Yes that's correct but still end up with a big ugly hole. I'm using a
grommet to surround the bunch of cables, two overlapping sheets of
stainless steel to surround the grommet and then a big dollop of
firestop sealant to close everything else up.

Tony
[and if this has the winmail.dat file attached you can assume that my PC
is lying in the carpark outside my window by the time you read this!!].






________________________________  Message 6  _____________________________________


Time: 06:53:07 PM PST US
From: <beecho@beecho.org>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: thro the fire wall

--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>

No Winmail.dat on mine...

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony S.
Krzyzewski
Subject: RE: Europa-List: thro the fire wall

--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski"
<tonyk@kaon.co.nz>


>> I'm guessing that folk make holes to take the pressure sensors etc.
rather than the large TCU block connector through the fire wall. What is
a 'suitable method' of sealing - anyone got a pic or two. I suspect
seeing this sort of thing would be a great help.

Yes that's correct but still end up with a big ugly hole. I'm using a
grommet to surround the bunch of cables, two overlapping sheets of
stainless steel to surround the grommet and then a big dollop of
firestop sealant to close everything else up.

Tony
[and if this has the winmail.dat file attached you can assume that my PC
is lying in the carpark outside my window by the time you read this!!].


==
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http://www.matronics.com/trouble-report
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________________________________  Message 7  _____________________________________


Time: 07:29:28 PM PST US
From: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: thro the fire wall

--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>


Paul:

What I did was take a healthy sized thickness of aluminum sheet (plate?)
about .090" thick. I cut a rectangular hole in the firewall large enough to
easily fit the connector through.  The aluminum was cut in a rectangle to
overlap the hole by a goodly amount. A  bolt pattern is drilled through the
aluminum and transferred to the firewall.  Now 2 feedthrough holes are
drilled in the aluminum plate. Since you already made a good sized hole in
the wall don't waste it by just making one feedthrough.  Size the holes to
whatever  size grommets  you have or how many wires you expect to feed
through. Now that you have your holes take a slitting saw and cut the plate
in half through both feed through holes. Put your connectors through. Clip
a slit in your grommet to get it around the wires, assemble the grommet
into the 2 halfs of the aluminum plate and bolt the mess to the firewall
with the -3 screws. The  small slit can be filled with high temp RTV. The
stiffness of the thicker aluminum makes this work nicely and doesn't look
bad either.

Steve Hagar
A143
Mesa, AZ

> [Original Message]
> From: paul stewart <paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
 > Date: 10/7/03 2:52:16 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: thro the fire wall
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "paul stewart"
<paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
> 
> 
> This engine (914) is throwing up more questions then the whole of the
> project so far. Having disconnected the TCU and wastegate servo to mount
> them aft of  the firewall, the manual very succinctly tells me to make
> holes as small as possible and use a suitable method of sealing.
> 
> I'm guessing that folk make holes to take the pressure sensors etc.
> rather than the large TCU block connector through the fire wall. What is
> a 'suitable method' of sealing - anyone got a pic or two. I suspect
> seeing this sort of thing would be a great help.
> 
> Regards and thanks in anticipation
> 
> Paul   #432
> 
> <HTML><HEAD>
> <META content"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1226" nameGENERATOR>
> <STYLE></STYLE>
> </HEAD>
> <BODY bgColor#ffffff>
> <DIV><FONT faceArial size2>This engine (914) is throwing up more
> questions
> then the whole of the project so far. Having disconnected the TCU and
> wastegate
> servo to mount them aft of&nbsp; the firewall, the manual very
> succinctly tells
> me to make holes as small as possible and use a suitable method of
> sealing.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT faceArial size2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT faceArial size2>I'm guessing that folk make holes to
> take the
> pressure sensors etc. rather than the large TCU block connector through
> the fire
> wall. What is a 'suitable method' of sealing - anyone got a pic or two.
> I
> suspect seeing this sort of thing would be a great help.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT faceArial size2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Regards and thanks in
> anticipation</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT faceArial size2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT faceArial size2>Paul&nbsp;&nbsp;
> #432</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


--- Steve Hagar
--- hagargs@earthlink.net






________________________________  Message 8  _____________________________________


Time: 07:47:35 PM PST US
Subject: RE: Europa-List: thro the fire wall
From: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>

--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>


>>> No Winmail.dat on mine...

The computer lives then!

Tony

Do not archive






________________________________  Message 9  _____________________________________


Time: 08:16:41 PM PST US
From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: thro the fire wall

--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "paul stewart" <paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
fire wall
| This engine (914) is throwing up more questions then the whole of the
project so far. Having disconnected the TCU and wastegate servo to mount
them aft of  the firewall, the manual very succinctly tells me to make holes
as small as possible and use a suitable method of sealing.|
| I'm guessing that folk make holes to take the pressure sensors etc. rather
than the large TCU block connector through the fire wall. What is a
'suitable method' of sealing - anyone got a pic or two. I suspect seeing
this sort of thing would be a great help.
| Paul   #432

I'm with Paul. I've counted 14 different wires to breach the firewall, and
presume they can't all go through one hole. I was going to use the EAA book
method of stamping your own SS eyehole covers, but that's just too much of
an exercise.
Ferg
Europa A064