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1. 11:34 AM - Europas in New Zealand (Nigel Harrison)
2. 01:23 PM - Re: Peel Ply on Root Rib (craig ellison)
3. 01:50 PM - Re: Europas in New Zealand (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
4. 03:24 PM - Re: Europas in New Zealand (Rob Housman)
5. 05:11 PM - Engine Mount Paint Removal (Tony Renshaw)
6. 07:31 PM - Re: Engine Mount Paint Removal (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
7. 10:22 PM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 10/14/03 (rlborger)
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| Subject: | Europas in New Zealand |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Harrison" <nigel.harrison@manx.net>
Dear All,
I have ordered my Europa XS which has yet to be delivered, but am now planning
to emigrate to New Zealand if I'm successful in my job aplication. The PFA doesn't
exist in NZ, but I gather another organisation similar to the PFA does. Does
anyone have any information about homebuilts in NZ etc?
Nigel Harrison
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| Subject: | Re: Peel Ply on Root Rib |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "craig ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
Ron,
Just be thankful that your Peel Ply had the red marker threads in it. Mine
and other I suspect others of the same vintage had none and was very hard
to detect indeed.
craig ellison
A205
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: Europa-List: Peel Ply on Root Rib
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris"
<rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
>
> Into reinforcement of the root rib/spar.
>
> Manual tells you to "REMOVE PEEL PLY"
>
> To this point I have only seen Peel Ply in Bright Green and there was some
White
> tapes. I also purchased some 1 and 2 inch white precut tapes.
>
> Well the Peel Ply on the Root Rib looks an awful lot like glass. It does
have a few
> red threads in it.
>
> I guess everyone out there except us knows that red threads in a perfect
lay-up means
> that there is peel ply in there.
>
> If someone is as foolish as builders of A-265, then they too will be
sanding on the
> peel ply.
>
> Finished scuffing the forward rib, and when got to the rear of the root
rib, there was
> the smallest of small wrinkles, went at it and sure enough it was in fact
peel ply.
>
> Feel foolish that spent 20 minutes sanding peel ply till discovery. I saw
these
> perfect 3 red thin threads and just kinda sortta put them in category of
thin guide
> lines, like on the fuse.
>
> Has everyone removed the peel ply in all 3 areas on each root rib?
>
> Feeling foolish in Kings Park
> Ron Parigoris
>
>
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| Subject: | Europas in New Zealand |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
www.saa.org.nz
This is not a regulatory organisation but does issue the maintenance
schedules for NZ Custombuilts.
In NZ we treat all custombuilts as first of type. You may build and
modify as you wish and there are no stage inspections. There is a CAA
inspection prior to first flight at which time the aircraft enters a
phase 1 test programme. The test pilot, who must have 100 hours PIC
experience or 200 hours for a taildragger and a type rating for the
aircraft, is required to complete a 40 hour test programme and make a
statement that the aircraft is safe to operate in all tested modes of
flight upon completion of the test flight programme. The manoevres, Vne
and MAUW demonstrated during the test flight programme become the
operating limitations for that particular aircraft.
Custombuilts may fly night and IFR is properly equipped but may not fly
over populous areas. After 100 hours of safe operation an application to
remove the populous area overflight restriction is generally granted.
Regards
Tony
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| Subject: | Europas in New Zealand |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
Tony, you are entirely too modest. You should have also referred Nigel to
what is undoubtedly the world's best Europa blog at
http://www.kaon.co.nz/europa/index.html
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tony S.
Krzyzewski
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europas in New Zealand
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
www.saa.org.nz
This is not a regulatory organisation but does issue the maintenance
schedules for NZ Custombuilts.
In NZ we treat all custombuilts as first of type. You may build and
modify as you wish and there are no stage inspections. There is a CAA
inspection prior to first flight at which time the aircraft enters a
phase 1 test programme. The test pilot, who must have 100 hours PIC
experience or 200 hours for a taildragger and a type rating for the
aircraft, is required to complete a 40 hour test programme and make a
statement that the aircraft is safe to operate in all tested modes of
flight upon completion of the test flight programme. The manoevres, Vne
and MAUW demonstrated during the test flight programme become the
operating limitations for that particular aircraft.
Custombuilts may fly night and IFR is properly equipped but may not fly
over populous areas. After 100 hours of safe operation an application to
remove the populous area overflight restriction is generally granted.
Regards
Tony
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| Subject: | Engine Mount Paint Removal |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Gidday,
The ease at which the paint chips off the white coloured metalwork might
suggest I don't need to ask this question, but to those who know, and I
don't, is the best way to strip one back to sandblast off the paint, or is
there another recommended way that doesn't compromise the frame. Also, is
there a no of different configurations of bracing for the same frame, for a
912? The frame doesn't match the manual picture, so I'm confused.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
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| Subject: | Engine Mount Paint Removal |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>> Also, is there a no of different configurations of bracing for the
same frame, for a 912? The frame doesn't match the manual picture, so
I'm confused. Reg Tony Renshaw Sydney Australia
If you have the early manual and the later engine frame there will be a
difference. I assume that the difference you are seeing is a diagonal
support that didn't appear in the early diagrams... that's the bottom of
the frame.
Tony
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 10/14/03 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
> Time: 11:46:49 PM PST US
> From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
> Subject: Europa-List: Peel Ply on Root Rib
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris"
> <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
>
> Into reinforcement of the root rib/spar.
>
> Manual tells you to "REMOVE PEEL PLY"
>
> To this point I have only seen Peel Ply in Bright Green and there was
> some White tapes. I also purchased some 1 and 2 inch white precut
> tapes.
>
> Well the Peel Ply on the Root Rib looks an awful lot like glass. It
> does have a few red threads in it.
...<Snip>...
> Has everyone removed the peel ply in all 3 areas on each root rib?
>
> Feeling foolish in Kings Park
> Ron Parigoris
Don't feel foolish all by yourself, I messed up a set of flaps by
missing the peel-ply. All I had ever seen was the bright green stuff.
I spent much of a day trying to remove peel-ply from the flap root and
all I did was de-laminate a section of the flange glass so I gave up
and thought that the double sided tape was what they were referring to.
I went on to complete the flap closeouts. Later, while having
difficulty with the wing-root layups, I noticed the red thread and
found the transparent peel-ply that was the problem. Upon this
realization, I went back and shredded a portion of a flap closeout and
located the peel ply there. I ordered a new set of flaps and
associated hardware and had to do them all over again. I suggested to
Europa that they use the bright green peel ply or they modify their
intro class to at least show the white peel ply. I guess they have not
taken either of my suggestions.
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
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