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1. 07:34 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 10/15/03 (RiteAngle3@aol.com)
2. 08:50 AM - metric drill bits (Fred R. Klein)
3. 09:48 AM - Worrying Conundrum (Peter Davis)
4. 10:34 AM - Re: metric drill bits (Rob Housman)
5. 10:44 AM - Re: metric drill bits (Gilles.Thesee)
6. 10:59 AM - Re: metric drill bits (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
7. 11:50 AM - Re: metric drill bits (Fergus Kyle)
8. 01:01 PM - Re: metric drill bits (ivor.phillips)
9. 04:08 PM - metric drill bits (Fred R. Klein)
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 10/15/03 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
In a message dated 10/16/03 12:02:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
europa-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
> From: "Nigel Harrison" <nigel.harrison@manx.net>
> Subject: Europa-List: Europas in New Zealand
>
>
Contact Tony Krzyzewski
I have known him casually for several years and you will get all info
needed from him, not only on NZ but great info source on Europas & props
tonyk@kaon.co.nz
Elbie
Elbie Mendenhall
EM aviation, LLC
www.riteangle.com
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| Subject: | metric drill bits |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Hi to All who have gone before me,
I make note of the list of metric drill bits on Pg. 1-3 of manual. After
determining that the 3.3mm bit is essential for the flush pop rivits, I've
found that McMaster-Carr carries a line of metric drill bits.
Lazy as I am, I have not searched through the entire manual to determine
whether the 4.2mm, 4.8mm, 10.2mm, and 12mm are similarly essential, or if
they are simply metric equivalents for the listed fractional-inch sizes also
listed.
Before I order all the listed metric bits, can someone enlighten me as to
whether or not they are essential...assuming of course that one has a full
set of fractional-inch bit sizes?
Metrically-challenged Fred, A194
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| Subject: | Worrying Conundrum |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Davis" <peterdavis@ntlworld.com>
Just to say thanks for all the feedback on this one. A number of
possibilities have been suggested and if I get to the bottom of it I will
'publish'.
Regards,
Peter
(#152; 912UL Classic)
mailto:peterdavis@ntlworld.com
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| Subject: | metric drill bits |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
4.2mm = 0.1654 inch and #19 = 0.1660 (close enough) but there is no
fractional diameter close enough (although the manual calls out 11/64 as the
"equivalent" in the only mention of drilling holes this size, which is to
mount the trim servo).
4.8mm = 0.1980 inch and #12 = 0.1980 (exact) and the nearest fractional size
is 3/16 = 0.1875 which is most likely too small, especially since most of
the 4.8mm holes are for bolts that require a snug fit - don't use "close
enough" for these holes.
10.2mm = 0.4016 inch and Ltr Y = 0.4040 (probably close enough, especially
for the tapped holes for flap pins and lift pins) but there is no fractional
diameter close enough
12mm = 0.4724 inch and the closest fractional is 15/32 = 0.4688 (probably
close enough, especially for a clearance hole for the lift pin sockets,
which I did not need to drill)
Also mentioned in the manual are:
For rivet holes, 2.4mm = 0.0945, with the closest equivalents of 3/32 0.0938 and
#41 = 0.0960
For the fuel selector valve spindle, 8.0mm = 0.3150 with the closest
equivalent Ltr O = 0.3160 (close is certainly good enough for this one, and
even 3/8 would work fine)
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fred R. Klein
Subject: Europa-List: metric drill bits
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Hi to All who have gone before me,
I make note of the list of metric drill bits on Pg. 1-3 of manual. After
determining that the 3.3mm bit is essential for the flush pop rivits, I've
found that McMaster-Carr carries a line of metric drill bits.
Lazy as I am, I have not searched through the entire manual to determine
whether the 4.2mm, 4.8mm, 10.2mm, and 12mm are similarly essential, or if
they are simply metric equivalents for the listed fractional-inch sizes also
listed.
Before I order all the listed metric bits, can someone enlighten me as to
whether or not they are essential...assuming of course that one has a full
set of fractional-inch bit sizes?
Metrically-challenged Fred, A194
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| Subject: | Re: metric drill bits |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Gilles.Thesee" <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
> I make note of the list of metric drill bits on Pg. 1-3 of manual. After
> determining that the 3.3mm bit is essential for the flush pop rivits, I've
> found that McMaster-Carr carries a line of metric drill bits.
>
> Lazy as I am, I have not searched through the entire manual to determine
> whether the 4.2mm, 4.8mm, 10.2mm, and 12mm are similarly essential, or if
> they are simply metric equivalents for the listed fractional-inch sizes
also
> listed.
Fred,
As I'm not building a Europa but a kit from another company, I'm not sure
for the 10.2 mm and up.
But I'm sure drill bit sizes for rivets ARE metric translatins of inch
sizes.
Regards,
Gilles Thesee
Grenoble,France
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| Subject: | metric drill bits |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>> I make note of the list of metric drill bits on Pg. 1-3 of manual.
After determining that the 3.3mm bit is essential for the flush pop
rivits,
Not so.
The manual specifies 3.3 mm drill bits because the #30 drill bit
normally used to drill holes for 1/8" rivets may be difficult to obtain
outside of the USA.
The 4.8mm drill bit is used to drill holes for 3/16" bolts as it is
fractionally larger than 3/16". You'll find that a #12 drill bit is good
enough at 4.8006mm
A #19 drill bit is within 1/100" of 4.2mm (4.2164mm to be precise) which
leaves you only the task of finding a 10.2 and 12mm drill bit to handle
the larger metric threads.
Tony
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| Subject: | Re: metric drill bits |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Subject: Europa-List: metric drill bits
Hi to All who have gone before me,
I make note of the list of metric drill bits on Pg. 1-3 of manual. After
determining that the 3.3mm bit is essential for the flush pop rivits, I've
found that McMaster-Carr carries a line of metric drill bits.| Lazy as I am,
I have not searched through the entire manual to determine whether the
4.2mm, 4.8mm, 10.2mm, and 12mm are similarly essential, or if they are
simply metric equivalents for the listed fractional-inch sizes also listed.
Before I order all the listed metric bits, can someone enlighten me as to
whether or not they are essential...assuming of course that one has a full
set of fractional-inch bit sizes? Metrically-challenged Fred, A194
Fred,
You will get a lot of answers probably better than mine as I am
no machinist but I hear you and your confusion. My experience as a tyro
builder but having some woodwork time, is that you cannot have enough drill
bits. I found that the most useful tool for drilling is a digital
micrometer. Not only is it usefull for finding out what the diameter of a
bit is (after it's been used and rubbed out the figure), but that it will
come into use for other tasks as well. I also bought a set of numbered
drills - from number40 on down - because the parts provided were not always
drilled exactly on the specified diameter. We're talking tenthousands here,
because that's often the difference between a comfortable fit, a sliding fit
or a tight fit. The micro told me that some numbered drills were better than
4.8mm or 3/16" when a certain fit was called for. My inspector is fastidious
about 'slop' and you don't want a sloppy fit in the control run, so getting
the right sized hole makes the difference.
I'll leave the others to suggest the right sized drill bits to
get, but be sure you'll need more than one 3/16" [-3] before you're done.
....and good luck!
Ferg
Europa A064
PS: If no one else antes up with the drill bit sizes come back to me and
will search out.
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| Subject: | Re: metric drill bits |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
If you try http://www.ucc-udb.com/metric-inch.htm it should answer most of
your questions,
regards
Ivor Phillips
XS486
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: metric drill bits
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: metric drill bits
> Hi to All who have gone before me,
> I make note of the list of metric drill bits on Pg. 1-3 of manual. After
> determining that the 3.3mm bit is essential for the flush pop rivits, I've
> found that McMaster-Carr carries a line of metric drill bits.| Lazy as I
am,
> I have not searched through the entire manual to determine whether the
> 4.2mm, 4.8mm, 10.2mm, and 12mm are similarly essential, or if they are
> simply metric equivalents for the listed fractional-inch sizes also
listed.
> Before I order all the listed metric bits, can someone enlighten me as to
> whether or not they are essential...assuming of course that one has a full
> set of fractional-inch bit sizes? Metrically-challenged Fred, A194
>
> Fred,
> You will get a lot of answers probably better than mine as I
am
> no machinist but I hear you and your confusion. My experience as a tyro
> builder but having some woodwork time, is that you cannot have enough
drill
> bits. I found that the most useful tool for drilling is a digital
> micrometer. Not only is it usefull for finding out what the diameter of a
> bit is (after it's been used and rubbed out the figure), but that it will
> come into use for other tasks as well. I also bought a set of numbered
> drills - from number40 on down - because the parts provided were not
always
> drilled exactly on the specified diameter. We're talking tenthousands
here,
> because that's often the difference between a comfortable fit, a sliding
fit
> or a tight fit. The micro told me that some numbered drills were better
than
> 4.8mm or 3/16" when a certain fit was called for. My inspector is
fastidious
> about 'slop' and you don't want a sloppy fit in the control run, so
getting
> the right sized hole makes the difference.
> I'll leave the others to suggest the right sized drill bits to
> get, but be sure you'll need more than one 3/16" [-3] before you're done.
> ....and good luck!
> Ferg
> Europa A064
> PS: If no one else antes up with the drill bit sizes come back to me and
> will search out.
>
>
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| Subject: | metric drill bits |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Hi All,
Thanks much for your kind insights and nuanced responses to my query; I
someimes think I know just enough to get in real trouble. I did find a
sizing chart @ McMaster-Carr revealing the mysteries of wire size drill
numbering...something which has always escaped me.
Thou I'm apt to refer to this world we live in as one of "over-choice", I
appreciate learning the fine distinctions between seemingly insignificant
differences...particularly when life-safety is in play.
Fred, A194
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