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1. 02:21 AM - Mini U2 - landing lights (Graham Singleton)
2. 02:21 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 10/18/03 (Graham Singleton)
3. 06:49 AM - Re: Europa List: Peel Ply on Root Rib (Paul McAllister)
4. 09:50 AM - Re: Europa List: Peel Ply on Root Rib (Simon Smith)
5. 10:51 AM - Electronic builders log (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
6. 10:59 AM - Hobbs switch (Steve Hagar)
7. 11:46 AM - Re: Electronic builders log (Cliff Shaw)
8. 10:08 PM - Re: Electronic builders log (DJA727@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Mini U2 - landing lights |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 18/10/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "david.corbett" <david.corbett@fwi.co.uk>
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>I cannot help with this problem, but will await the postings with interest
>hoping
>that UK Europa's will get permission to fly at night at some stage in the
>future.
Thinking about Nav lights, I've made a few preliminary wing tip light
covers. Paul McA has fitted them, I haven't yet spent enough time learning
how to set up a web site, time seems to go faster for some reason?!?
If anyone wants to see the results email me directly and I will send some
pictures.
Graham
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 10/18/03 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 18/10/2003 -0700, you wrote:
><ian@swankie.co.uk>
Ian
depends how careful you are but since the resin may not yet be fully cured
you could try peeling the glass layups rather than gring them off.
Certainly try it on the top layers. A little help from a hot air blower
would be useful too.
The only risk is over heating the main rib layup. Keep the hot air gun
turned down to keep surface temperature below 60 Deg C
Graham
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| Subject: | Re: Europa List: Peel Ply on Root Rib |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi Ian,
I had a similar experience of having to remove the lay up in the rear of my
Europa for the tail wheel spring mount. Although you can grind it out, you
can get the glass out quite easily with a sharp chisel. Get the corner of
the chisel under a piece of the lay up and you should be able to peel it
back a couple of layers at a time.
Cheers, Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Swankie" <ian@swankie.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Europa List: Peel Ply on Root Rib
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ian Swankie" <ian@swankie.co.uk>
>
> Last Thursday was a Bad Day.
>
> If Ron Parigoris felt a little foolish after wasting just 20 minutes
scuff sanding the wing root peel ply, imaging how we feel. After reading
Ron's report on Thursday we made a close inspection of our wing roots....and
we were shocked to discover there are several faint red lines visible under
our beautifully executed lay ups.
>
> When we worked on the wing roots a couple of month's ago we read and
re-read the instruction to remove the peel ply. Like most XS builders, our
only experience of peel ply was the green stuff and there was no trace of
any on the wing roots, we just assumed this had been removed at the factory.
It just looked like a nicely finished lay up. We tried picking at the skin
and it all seemed sound. Although the red lines should have been a caution
there are plenty of parts with blue guide lines, and we just assumed they
were the same.
>
> So we scuff sanded the area and did the root to rib lay ups....three plies
on each side and on each wing with loads of flox on the corners!
>
> The implications dawned on us on Thursday and were confirmed by the
factory on Friday. Our only remedy (apart from transforming our project into
a boat instead) is to spend countless hours carefully grinding away the
glass back to this evil, almost transparent peel ply.
>
> Ron, if you want to swap foolish feelings then we'll take yours any day.
>
> I just wonder how many Europas may be flying with similarly camouflaged
peel ply, now concealed by a coat or two of white paint?
>
>
> Ian Swankie
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| Subject: | Europa List: Peel Ply on Root Rib |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
I've just looked at my wings (which were already done when I bought my part
built kit) and found the peel ply! Oh well, out with the power file!
Simon
504 G-BZTN
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ian Swankie
Subject: Europa-List: Europa List: Peel Ply on Root Rib
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ian Swankie" <ian@swankie.co.uk>
Last Thursday was a Bad Day.
If Ron Parigoris felt a little foolish after wasting just 20 minutes scuff
sanding the wing root peel ply, imaging how we feel. After reading Ron's
report on Thursday we made a close inspection of our wing roots....and we
were shocked to discover there are several faint red lines visible under our
beautifully executed lay ups.
When we worked on the wing roots a couple of month's ago we read and re-read
the instruction to remove the peel ply. Like most XS builders, our only
experience of peel ply was the green stuff and there was no trace of any on
the wing roots, we just assumed this had been removed at the factory. It
just looked like a nicely finished lay up. We tried picking at the skin and
it all seemed sound. Although the red lines should have been a caution there
are plenty of parts with blue guide lines, and we just assumed they were the
same.
So we scuff sanded the area and did the root to rib lay ups....three plies
on each side and on each wing with loads of flox on the corners!
The implications dawned on us on Thursday and were confirmed by the factory
on Friday. Our only remedy (apart from transforming our project into a boat
instead) is to spend countless hours carefully grinding away the glass back
to this evil, almost transparent peel ply.
Ron, if you want to swap foolish feelings then we'll take yours any day.
I just wonder how many Europas may be flying with similarly camouflaged peel
ply, now concealed by a coat or two of white paint?
Ian Swankie
www.gchox.co.uk
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | Electronic builders log |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
Greetings:
I would like to know is one of you fine folk can recommend an Electronic
builders log, perhaps in Excel or Access format? My assumption is that type of
log
is legal with the FAA and would be great for attaching documenting photos.
As always, opinion and suggestion are GREATLY appreciated.
Brian Skelly XSA276
< Note that my kit number has changed to A276... I goofed!>
For those of you that have been emailing from time to time, my address has
changed as well. Please begin using EuropaXSA279@aol.com
Information changes have been sent to my good friend Rowland at the club.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
This has probably been discussed a million times before. Typically when I
am involved in a certain section of the build I become focused and tend not
to assimilate some of the other stuff coming over the web. I need to
install a switch for the Hobbs meter. The first thought is to put a T
where the oil pressure transducer is and plug in the switch upstream of the
transducer. Are there any other pressure ports on the 914 that I'm not
aware of? What have others done to ensure accurate recording of engine
hours with the Hobbs?
Thanks,
Steve A143
Mesa, AZ
--- Steve Hagar
--- hagargs@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: Electronic builders log |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Brian
I used and would recommend KitLog . The web page is; http://www.kitlog.com/
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds WA 98020
(425) 776-5555
N229WC "Wile E Coyote"
New Email:" flyinggpa@comcast.net "
----- Original Message -----
From: <EuropaXSA276@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Electronic builders log
> --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
>
> Greetings:
>
> I would like to know is one of you fine folk can recommend an Electronic
> builders log, perhaps in Excel or Access format? My assumption is that
type of log
> is legal with the FAA and would be great for attaching documenting photos.
> As always, opinion and suggestion are GREATLY appreciated.
>
> Brian Skelly XSA276
>
> < Note that my kit number has changed to A276... I goofed!>
>
> For those of you that have been emailing from time to time, my address has
> changed as well. Please begin using EuropaXSA279@aol.com
>
> Information changes have been sent to my good friend Rowland at the club.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Electronic builders log |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
In a message dated 10/19/2003 10:52:30 AM Pacific Standard Time,
EuropaXSA276@aol.com writes:
>
> I would like to know is one of you fine folk can recommend an Electronic
> builders log, perhaps in Excel or Access format? My assumption is that type
> of log
> is legal with the FAA and would be great for attaching documenting photos.
> As always, opinion and suggestion are GREATLY appreciated.
>
>
I did mine on Excel, with the times being totaled. I embedded pictures as I
went along.
The FAA never even looked at it once. I was ready, though!!
Dave
A227
Mini U2
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