Today's Message Index:
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1. 02:44 AM - Electronic builders log (Graham Singleton)
2. 02:51 AM - Mini U2 - landing lights (Graham Singleton)
3. 04:00 AM - Re: Hobbs switch (KARL HEINDL)
4. 04:43 AM - Re: Hobbs switch (Jim Brown)
5. 05:47 AM - Re: Re: Peel Ply on Root Rib (John & Amy Eckel)
6. 08:42 AM - NEAT TOOL (Storey Stone Co.,Inc.)
7. 09:53 AM - Re: Re: Peel Ply on Root Rib (Jos Okhuijsen)
8. 10:20 AM - Rotax rectifier-regulator feedback ? (Gilles.Thesee)
9. 10:48 AM - pfa rally dates 2004 (Rowland Carson)
10. 11:29 AM - Re: Uprated Starter Motor (Ami McFadyean)
11. 12:22 PM - Re: Rotax rectifier-regulator feedback ? (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
12. 01:28 PM - Re: Re: Peel Ply on Root Rib (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
13. 02:33 PM - Re: Re: Peel Ply on Root Rib (Rob Housman)
14. 02:36 PM - Re: Re: Peel Ply on Root Rib (Michael Parkin)
15. 02:50 PM - Re: Re: Peel Ply on Root Rib (Jeremy Davey)
16. 02:57 PM - Tri gear instrument (Ally) Panel (Mr Smallwood)
17. 03:37 PM - Re: Rotax rectifier-regulator feedback ? (Gerald Rehn)
18. 04:32 PM - Re: Rotax rectifier-regulator feedback ? (Jim Brown)
19. 06:58 PM - Re: Hobbs switch (Europa Aircraft)
20. 07:34 PM - Re: Hobbs switch (chris davis)
21. 08:06 PM - Re: Re: Peel Ply on Root Rib (chris davis)
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| Subject: | Electronic builders log |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 20/10/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>From: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
>I use MS Word (MS Office) on a Mac. Just type in your info:
>date/time/activity and drop in digital pics as you like. I'm sure that
>Word Perfect, Star Office, Open Office (Free for the Mac and Linux
>systems - http://www.openoffice.org) or any number of Adobe products
>would do as well.
When I built my first aircraft, the Long EZ, I kept a hand written diary,
no computer then. Each major lay up was labeled too with date, temperature
and humidity . All this information was useful later on, it made the
learning curve more positive. I had no serious hiccups but having the
records gave me a lot of confidence in the integrity of the airplane. It's
18 years old now and will soon be flying again, (with a rebuilt engine)
Graham
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| Subject: | Mini U2 - landing lights |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 20/10/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>Graham, just thinking about navlights and not yet having closed my (XS)
>wings I might be interested in your wing tip light covers, so put me on your
>email list please.
>Regards, Jack (from the waterbeds, you remember?)
Jac
Of course I remember! Hope your build is going well Jac. I have a better
camera now than when you were here. I will attach a picture of the XS tank
breather system which might be of interest too. I did a lot of head
scratching between then and now too. This was to try and avoid Harald
Linke's fire problem when refueling from a can
Graham
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| Subject: | Re: Hobbs switch |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
I think Fred is right, but it is useful to have engine time for at least oil
change intervals. I
have a Hobbs wired to a low pressure switch which is t-ed off the pitot
line, thus recording
actual flight time. Engine time is also recorded by most electronic
monitoring gadgets like
the EIS.
Cheers, Karl
>From: n3eu@comcast.net
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Hobbs switch
>Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 02:44:49 +0000
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
>
> > This has probably been discussed a million times before. Typically when
>I
> > am involved in a certain section of the build I become focused and tend
>not
> > to assimilate some of the other stuff coming over the web. I need to
> > install a switch for the Hobbs meter. The first thought is to put a T
> > where the oil pressure transducer is and plug in the switch upstream of
>the
> > transducer. Are there any other pressure ports on the 914 that I'm not
> > aware of? What have others done to ensure accurate recording of engine
> > hours with the Hobbs?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Steve A143
> > Mesa, AZ
>
>Why do you really need to know accurate Hobbs time? As an amateur-built
>aircraft in the U.S., you're not bound in the slightest degree by any run
>time of any component anywhere. Admittedly, were you to sell the aircraft,
>airframe/engine time will be of interest to a buyer and thus how
>determined, but big deal.
>
>So, my "Hobbs" time is from that which a Taskem digital RPM display
>actually records in nonvolatile memory. Good 'enuf!
>
>The only place to tap into oil pressure is at the pressure transducer on
>all Rotax 91X, or the feed line to the 914 turbocharger. But the grizzled
>old aircraft mechanic in me says you do that you introduce a point of
>failure in a critical airworthiness system. It's not like there's a
>Service Bulletin on my other airplane specifically on this, which on
>failure causes oil to be spilled inside the aircraft cabin, until there
>ain't nuthin' in the sump!
>
>Thus preferable would be to simply read voltage at the Rotax transducer,
>and glomp a transistor to fire a stock Hobbs meter. It's a simple circuit,
>but if a builder can't do that, I think it best to at least shop for
>something that will record elapsed hours when fed a voltage, like when
>master is on -- even a stock Hobbs does that. It won't be exact engine
>hours, but so what.
>
>Regards,
>Fred F.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hobbs switch |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
On N398JB we connected the Hobbs meter to the Master switch, which eliminated
any taping into the oil system for pressure. If we need to have the master on
for what ever reason without the engine running we simply pull the circuit
breaker.
Jim Brown
n3eu@comcast.net wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
>
> > This has probably been discussed a million times before. Typically when I
> > am involved in a certain section of the build I become focused and tend not
> > to assimilate some of the other stuff coming over the web. I need to
> > install a switch for the Hobbs meter. The first thought is to put a T
> > where the oil pressure transducer is and plug in the switch upstream of the
> > transducer. Are there any other pressure ports on the 914 that I'm not
> > aware of? What have others done to ensure accurate recording of engine
> > hours with the Hobbs?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Steve A143
> > Mesa, AZ
>
> Why do you really need to know accurate Hobbs time? As an amateur-built aircraft
in the U.S., you're not bound in the slightest degree by any run time of any
component anywhere. Admittedly, were you to sell the aircraft, airframe/engine
time will be of interest to a buyer and thus how determined, but big deal.
>
> So, my "Hobbs" time is from that which a Taskem digital RPM display actually
records in nonvolatile memory. Good 'enuf!
>
> The only place to tap into oil pressure is at the pressure transducer on all
Rotax 91X, or the feed line to the 914 turbocharger. But the grizzled old aircraft
mechanic in me says you do that you introduce a point of failure in a critical
airworthiness system. It's not like there's a Service Bulletin on my other
airplane specifically on this, which on failure causes oil to be spilled
inside the aircraft cabin, until there ain't nuthin' in the sump!
>
> Thus preferable would be to simply read voltage at the Rotax transducer, and
glomp a transistor to fire a stock Hobbs meter. It's a simple circuit, but if
a builder can't do that, I think it best to at least shop for something that will
record elapsed hours when fed a voltage, like when master is on -- even a
stock Hobbs does that. It won't be exact engine hours, but so what.
>
> Regards,
> Fred F.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Peel Ply on Root Rib |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
A simple solution might be to put a brightly colored sticker
on the peel ply with the words "REMOVE PEEL PLY."
John A230
----- Original Message -----
From: <DuaneFamly@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Peel Ply on Root Rib
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
>
> Please, I'd like to hear from John, Neville, and Andy on this matter. Why
> would it NOT be changed?
>
> Mike Duane A207
> Redding, California
> XS Conventional Gear
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Storey Stone Co.,Inc." <nihl@storeystone.com>
Visiting the Home Depot yesterday I picked up a very neat tool you can use to assist
in cutting your fiberglass. It is a 48 in. aluminum adjust-A-square made
by Johnson Level and tool co. in Mequon, Wisconsin. You can set the angles you
would like to cut and the length of straight-edge on the table. It is neat,
check it out. Nihl C. Storey new builder A277 zero time still waiting for delivery.
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| Subject: | Re: Peel Ply on Root Rib |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jos Okhuijsen <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Or add a red strand to it. Oops, it's allready there...
With all respect, when building it's good practice to read the manual.
It reads "remove peel ply".
If it reads "tighten bolt" and you can't find that bolt, do you just
continue or do you start asking around before that missing bolt
disappears out of sight? I find it kind of curious to blame the factory
for not using solely green peel ply or for not informing customers that
peel ply can have any colour, or for not issue warnings about not
following instructions. Of course it's bad to discover a mistake made.
Whoever is to blame. Anyhow, it's going to be my plane, and in the end
it's me who is responsible for it. Including any mistakes made. That's
at least how i see it. And i am really happy that others make and tell
about their mistakes before i have the chance to make them. <grin>
Jos Okhuijsen
kit # M600 OH-XJO 30 hrs.
John & Amy Eckel wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
>
> A simple solution might be to put a brightly colored sticker
> on the peel ply with the words "REMOVE PEEL PLY."
>
> John A230
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <DuaneFamly@aol.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Peel Ply on Root Rib
>
>
>
>>--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
>>
>>Please, I'd like to hear from John, Neville, and Andy on this matter. Why
>>would it NOT be changed?
>>
>>Mike Duane A207
>>Redding, California
>>XS Conventional Gear
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Rotax rectifier-regulator feedback ? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Gilles.Thesee" <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
Hi all,
There have been rumors about the Rotax 912/914 rectifier-regulators toasting
in service.
I'm in the process of installing a Rotax 914 in my project, and would be
interested in knowing wether it is facts or just hangar tales.
Has anyone around any solid feedback about this issue ?
Any input appreciated,
Thanks,
Gilles Thesee
Grenoble, France
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| Subject: | pfa rally dates 2004 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
Just got my copy of The Europa Flyer today, and must apologise to
Dave Watts for immediately calling attention to an error!
Those of you who are putting the PFA Rally dates in your 2004 diary,
please note that the correct dates are 9th to 11th July. I have this
from the Rally Chairman Steve Petter who was sitting beside me at the
PFA National Council meeting on Saturday.
regards
Rowland
--
| Rowland Carson PFA #16532 e-mail <rowil@clara.net>
| 640 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI
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| Subject: | Re: Uprated Starter Motor |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
I haven't fitted the uprated starter motor, but find that with a good
immobilsed electrolyte battery, short connecting leads and (above all)
correct starting procedure, the old type of starter does the job.
But one day I may be caught on an exceptionally cold day with a partly
discharged battery; so that could be when I need one!
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: <MJKTuck@cs.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Uprated Starter Motor
> --> Europa-List message posted by: MJKTuck@cs.com
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> Anyone fitted the new optional uprated Rotax starter motor?
>
> Does anyone have an idea how much it costs?
>
> Regards,
> Martin Tuck
> N152MT
> Wichita, Kansas
>
>
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| Subject: | Rotax rectifier-regulator feedback ? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
The rumour is probably from the same group of people who think that
aircraft engines shouldn't have water radiators!
In the six years I've been on this group I can't recall anyone ever
mentioning a toasted rectifier-regulator. I've never heard of one
failing on any NZ based 912/914's either.
Tony
-----Original Message-----
From: Gilles.Thesee [mailto:Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr]
Subject: Europa-List: Rotax rectifier-regulator feedback ?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Gilles.Thesee"
--> <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
Hi all,
There have been rumors about the Rotax 912/914 rectifier-regulators
toasting in service. I'm in the process of installing a Rotax 914 in my
project, and would be interested in knowing wether it is facts or just
hangar tales. Has anyone around any solid feedback about this issue ?
Any input appreciated,
Thanks,
Gilles Thesee
Grenoble, France
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| Subject: | Re: Peel Ply on Root Rib |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Jos,
I agree with you wholeheartedly. My question is WHY use peel ply that is
invisible when a "very noticeable" colored peel ply is available? This would aid
a
builder, many of which have never done this before, in completing his
aircraft with fewer "OOPS".
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
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| Subject: | Re: Peel Ply on Root Rib |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
While I wholeheartedly agree that we must read the manual, and we are
responsible for our own mistakes, but what has most concerned this builder
is the factory's cavalier response to a serious problem, and it is a problem
I brought to their attention about four years ago that does not even cost
anything to fix.
Having one of the first sets of XS wings, and there being no other part of
the kit with peel ply remaining, nor any mention of peel ply at the root rib
in the version of the manual that was current at the time I was doing this
work, I came very close to glassing over the invisible peel ply.
Apparently, many hundreds of kits later, builders are still coming too close
to putting glass over peel ply. What saved my bacon was my observation of a
very small "imperfection" in what I though was the factory glass layup.
That "imperfection" turned out to be peel ply that lifted slightly during
scuff sanding. Had my scuff sanding been less aggressive, had there been no
small "imperfection" and even had there been a notation in the manual that
there was supposed to be peel ply, I doubt that I would have ever seen the
invisible peel ply - the white peel ply looks exactly like cured
epoxy-fiberglass after the peel ply is peeled - same texture, same color.
This stuff passes the "duck test." (For those of you not familiar with what
may be an expression used only among native English speakers in the US, the
duck test goes like this: if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and
quacks like a duck . . . it's a duck!)
I doubt that many of us would deliberately destroy a factory layup that
looks exactly like we expect a good layup to look like. Therein lies the
problem. White peel ply with no color stripes or loose edges still looks
like a good layup no matter what the manual says, so why start picking at
the edges to see what happens? Another factor is that there are several
errors scattered throughout the manual (fortunately nothing serious) making
it easy to doubt the existence of peel ply where the manual says it should
be, but our eyes suggest otherwise.
Note to Ron Parigoris, there's nothing to feel foolish about. There were194
kits delivered in North America alone between mine and yours, and the
problem persists.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jos Okhuijsen
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Peel Ply on Root Rib
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jos Okhuijsen <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Or add a red strand to it. Oops, it's allready there...
With all respect, when building it's good practice to read the manual.
It reads "remove peel ply".
If it reads "tighten bolt" and you can't find that bolt, do you just
continue or do you start asking around before that missing bolt
disappears out of sight? I find it kind of curious to blame the factory
for not using solely green peel ply or for not informing customers that
peel ply can have any colour, or for not issue warnings about not
following instructions. Of course it's bad to discover a mistake made.
Whoever is to blame. Anyhow, it's going to be my plane, and in the end
it's me who is responsible for it. Including any mistakes made. That's
at least how i see it. And i am really happy that others make and tell
about their mistakes before i have the chance to make them. <grin>
Jos Okhuijsen
kit # M600 OH-XJO 30 hrs.
John & Amy Eckel wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
>
> A simple solution might be to put a brightly colored sticker
> on the peel ply with the words "REMOVE PEEL PLY."
>
> John A230
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <DuaneFamly@aol.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Peel Ply on Root Rib
>
>
>>--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
>>
>>Please, I'd like to hear from John, Neville, and Andy on this matter. Why
>>would it NOT be changed?
>>
>>Mike Duane A207
>>Redding, California
>>XS Conventional Gear
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Peel Ply on Root Rib |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Parkin" <Mikenjulie.Parkin@btopenworld.com>
Guys,
Perhaps it is not the 'factory' failing to react to the suggested change in
peel-ply colour, but more a problem of lead time. It may be that those
people currently having problems with the invisible peel-ply just bought
their wing kits about the same time. When the problem works itself through
the system it may be that all wings come with the highly visible green
peel-ply.
For those of us that built our wings the hard way, the original wing kit
came with blue peel-ply - lots of it!! Later on, I found that I needed some
more and I bought several rolls from Aircraft Spruce, the peel-ply that
came from AS was indeed white and transparent when applied and had no red
stripe at all. However, in my opinion, the white AS peel-ply was streets
better than the original Europa supplied blue stuff. The green P-P is fine
but I still prefer the Aircraft Spruce P-P. The green is of slightly
lighter grade and does not produce such a good job if used with any folds
still in it - it needs to ironed for best results I understand.
The components of the kit are not actually made at the Europa Factory -
unless there is a secret underground skunk works in existence. As I
understand it, the major glass fibre components are sub-contracted out to a
professional aircraft manufacturer. Maybe they will get round to green
peel-ply eventually - maybe not.
I think it is a little unfair to be so quick to criticise the factory - when
lead times for these major components are probably quite long. I think that
the guys at Europa react very quickly and appropriately when the need arises
and they are always actively engaged in improving the product whether the
aircraft is flying or still under construction.
I must agree with Jos - if the instructions say 'remove the peel-ply' and
you don't, they the fault lies much closer than Kirbymoorside.
As a young pilot, we where always told by our instructor to "RTFQ", meaning
'Read The F****** Question'. Perhaps this is a case of "RTFI" - meaning
'Read the Instructions'.
regards,
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: <DuaneFamly@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Peel Ply on Root Rib
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
>
> Jos,
>
> I agree with you wholeheartedly. My question is WHY use peel ply that is
> invisible when a "very noticeable" colored peel ply is available? This
would aid a
> builder, many of which have never done this before, in completing his
> aircraft with fewer "OOPS".
>
> Mike Duane A207
> Redding, California
> XS Conventional Gear
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Peel Ply on Root Rib |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
Mike,
I couldn't agree more. At the risk of offending some, I have to say I've
only made errors when I've not read the manual fully. Admittedly there have
been times that with hindsight I'd have reworded the manual, but also it
could be argued that I had been pressing on when wiser counsel would have
suggested taking a break.
And when I was a Royal Engineer it was RTFM - M being Manual :-). Anyone for
'dems'?
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Parkin
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Peel Ply on Root Rib
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Parkin"
<Mikenjulie.Parkin@btopenworld.com>
Guys,
Perhaps it is not the 'factory' failing to react to the suggested change in
peel-ply colour, but more a problem of lead time. It may be that those
people currently having problems with the invisible peel-ply just bought
their wing kits about the same time. When the problem works itself through
the system it may be that all wings come with the highly visible green
peel-ply.
For those of us that built our wings the hard way, the original wing kit
came with blue peel-ply - lots of it!! Later on, I found that I needed some
more and I bought several rolls from Aircraft Spruce, the peel-ply that
came from AS was indeed white and transparent when applied and had no red
stripe at all. However, in my opinion, the white AS peel-ply was streets
better than the original Europa supplied blue stuff. The green P-P is fine
but I still prefer the Aircraft Spruce P-P. The green is of slightly
lighter grade and does not produce such a good job if used with any folds
still in it - it needs to ironed for best results I understand.
The components of the kit are not actually made at the Europa Factory -
unless there is a secret underground skunk works in existence. As I
understand it, the major glass fibre components are sub-contracted out to a
professional aircraft manufacturer. Maybe they will get round to green
peel-ply eventually - maybe not.
I think it is a little unfair to be so quick to criticise the factory - when
lead times for these major components are probably quite long. I think that
the guys at Europa react very quickly and appropriately when the need arises
and they are always actively engaged in improving the product whether the
aircraft is flying or still under construction.
I must agree with Jos - if the instructions say 'remove the peel-ply' and
you don't, they the fault lies much closer than Kirbymoorside.
As a young pilot, we where always told by our instructor to "RTFQ", meaning
'Read The F****** Question'. Perhaps this is a case of "RTFI" - meaning
'Read the Instructions'.
regards,
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: <DuaneFamly@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Peel Ply on Root Rib
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
>
> Jos,
>
> I agree with you wholeheartedly. My question is WHY use peel ply that is
> invisible when a "very noticeable" colored peel ply is available? This
would aid a
> builder, many of which have never done this before, in completing his
> aircraft with fewer "OOPS".
>
> Mike Duane A207
> Redding, California
> XS Conventional Gear
>
>
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| Subject: | Tri gear instrument (Ally) Panel |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Mr Smallwood" <ctsmallwood@onetel.net.uk>
Hi All
Due to panel design change above for sale.
Eropa supply PLUS black anodised.
Please contact by Email direct or Tel. 01773 570329
Regards Colin Smallwood Kit 232
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax rectifier-regulator feedback ? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerald Rehn <rehn@rockisland.com>
on 10/21/03 10:17 AM, Gilles.Thesee at Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Gilles.Thesee"
> <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
>
> Hi all,
>
> There have been rumors about the Rotax 912/914 rectifier-regulators toasting
> in service.
> ==============================================
> I just replaced the recitfier-regulator on my 914 with 250 hours. It went out
slowly and erratically over 2 or 3 hours (no toast, no smoke, no visible
sign of failure). My low volt indicator would come on occasionally at lower
rpm but would then be ok. I thought first that it may be a battery issue. It
finally just stopped giving a charge. I was flying at the time and the
engine kept running fine and I landed within about 15 mins. I talked to the
rotax factory rep as to why it stopped working. Seems there is no good
reason other than they sometimes just stop. I was told of a new out of the
box reg. that went out almost immediately. Some do go out but in my case did
not result in a major consequence. The new reg. cost about $100 and now
everything is back to normal.
>Regards, Jerry
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax rectifier-regulator feedback ? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
Hi Tony;
Put me on the list of toasted rectifer-regulators. At about 300 hours mine
"went-south" The new one has about 200 hr. and seems to be doing fine.
"Tony S. Krzyzewski" wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>
> The rumour is probably from the same group of people who think that
> aircraft engines shouldn't have water radiators!
>
> In the six years I've been on this group I can't recall anyone ever
> mentioning a toasted rectifier-regulator. I've never heard of one
> failing on any NZ based 912/914's either.
>
> Tony
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gilles.Thesee [mailto:Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr]
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Rotax rectifier-regulator feedback ?
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Gilles.Thesee"
> --> <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
>
> Hi all,
>
> There have been rumors about the Rotax 912/914 rectifier-regulators
> toasting in service. I'm in the process of installing a Rotax 914 in my
> project, and would be interested in knowing wether it is facts or just
> hangar tales. Has anyone around any solid feedback about this issue ?
> Any input appreciated,
>
> Thanks,
> Gilles Thesee
> Grenoble, France
>
> ==
> direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hobbs switch |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Europa Aircraft <europa@gate.net>
Hi All,
Lockwood recomends a hobbs to record engine time for oil changes, other regular
maintenance & diags. Both Mitchell, and UMA make electronic tachometers with
a time readout. Mitchell also makes a 2 1/4" mechanical recording tach for the
Rotax 912 / 914.
Hope this helps.
John Hurst
Europa Aircraft
Lakeland, FL
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Hobbs switch
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
On N398JB we connected the Hobbs meter to the Master switch, which eliminated
any taping into the oil system for pressure. If we need to have the master on
for what ever reason without the engine running we simply pull the circuit
breaker.
Jim Brown
n3eu@comcast.net wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
>
> > This has probably been discussed a million times before. Typically when I
> > am involved in a certain section of the build I become focused and tend not
> > to assimilate some of the other stuff coming over the web. I need to
> > install a switch for the Hobbs meter. The first thought is to put a T
> > where the oil pressure transducer is and plug in the switch upstream of the
> > transducer. Are there any other pressure ports on the 914 that I'm not
> > aware of? What have others done to ensure accurate recording of engine
> > hours with the Hobbs?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Steve A143
> > Mesa, AZ
>
> Why do you really need to know accurate Hobbs time? As an amateur-built aircraft
in the U.S., you're not bound in the slightest degree by any run time of any
component anywhere. Admittedly, were you to sell the aircraft, airframe/engine
time will be of interest to a buyer and thus how determined, but big deal.
>
> So, my "Hobbs" time is from that which a Taskem digital RPM display actually
records in nonvolatile memory. Good 'enuf!
>
> The only place to tap into oil pressure is at the pressure transducer on all
Rotax 91X, or the feed line to the 914 turbocharger. But the grizzled old aircraft
mechanic in me says you do that you introduce a point of failure in a critical
airworthiness system. It's not like there's a Service Bulletin on my other
airplane specifically on this, which on failure causes oil to be spilled
inside the aircraft cabin, until there ain't nuthin' in the sump!
>
> Thus preferable would be to simply read voltage at the Rotax transducer, and
glomp a transistor to fire a stock Hobbs meter. It's a simple circuit, but if
a builder can't do that, I think it best to at least shop for something that will
record elapsed hours when fed a voltage, like when master is on -- even a
stock Hobbs does that. It won't be exact engine hours, but so what.
>
> Regards,
> Fred F.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hobbs switch |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "chris davis" <scrounge69@comcast.net>
john, perhaps my email is not working but if you recieve this please
respo\nd even if it is only to say you can not help me , i need the updated
motor glider manual that you posted for me earlier and i failed to copy. as
my original manual was comple\tely diferent thank you chrisa160 mg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Hobbs switch
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Europa Aircraft <europa@gate.net>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Lockwood recomends a hobbs to record engine time for oil changes, other
regular maintenance & diags. Both Mitchell, and UMA make electronic
tachometers with a time readout. Mitchell also makes a 2 1/4" mechanical
recording tach for the Rotax 912 / 914.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> John Hurst
> Europa Aircraft
> Lakeland, FL
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Hobbs switch
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
>
> On N398JB we connected the Hobbs meter to the Master switch, which
eliminated any taping into the oil system for pressure. If we need to have
the master on for what ever reason without the engine running we simply
pull the circuit breaker.
>
> Jim Brown
>
> n3eu@comcast.net wrote:
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
> >
> > > This has probably been discussed a million times before. Typically
when I
> > > am involved in a certain section of the build I become focused and
tend not
> > > to assimilate some of the other stuff coming over the web. I need to
> > > install a switch for the Hobbs meter. The first thought is to put a T
> > > where the oil pressure transducer is and plug in the switch upstream
of the
> > > transducer. Are there any other pressure ports on the 914 that I'm
not
> > > aware of? What have others done to ensure accurate recording of engine
> > > hours with the Hobbs?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Steve A143
> > > Mesa, AZ
> >
> > Why do you really need to know accurate Hobbs time? As an amateur-built
aircraft in the U.S., you're not bound in the slightest degree by any run
time of any component anywhere. Admittedly, were you to sell the aircraft,
airframe/engine time will be of interest to a buyer and thus how determined,
but big deal.
> >
> > So, my "Hobbs" time is from that which a Taskem digital RPM display
actually records in nonvolatile memory. Good 'enuf!
> >
> > The only place to tap into oil pressure is at the pressure transducer on
all Rotax 91X, or the feed line to the 914 turbocharger. But the grizzled
old aircraft mechanic in me says you do that you introduce a point of
failure in a critical airworthiness system. It's not like there's a Service
Bulletin on my other airplane specifically on this, which on failure causes
oil to be spilled inside the aircraft cabin, until there ain't nuthin' in
the sump!
> >
> > Thus preferable would be to simply read voltage at the Rotax transducer,
and glomp a transistor to fire a stock Hobbs meter. It's a simple circuit,
but if a builder can't do that, I think it best to at least shop for
something that will record elapsed hours when fed a voltage, like when
master is on -- even a stock Hobbs does that. It won't be exact engine
hours, but so what.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Fred F.
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Peel Ply on Root Rib |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "chris davis" <scrounge69@comcast.net>
or as a famous american europa builder said to me " WHAT MANUAL?"-and he
has built more europas than just about anyone---- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Davey" <jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Peel Ply on Root Rib
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey"
<jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
>
> Mike,
>
> I couldn't agree more. At the risk of offending some, I have to say I've
> only made errors when I've not read the manual fully. Admittedly there
have
> been times that with hindsight I'd have reworded the manual, but also it
> could be argued that I had been pressing on when wiser counsel would have
> suggested taking a break.
>
> And when I was a Royal Engineer it was RTFM - M being Manual :-). Anyone
for
> 'dems'?
>
> Cheers,
> Jeremy
>
> Jeremy Davey
>
> Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Parkin
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Peel Ply on Root Rib
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Parkin"
> <Mikenjulie.Parkin@btopenworld.com>
>
> Guys,
>
> Perhaps it is not the 'factory' failing to react to the suggested change
in
> peel-ply colour, but more a problem of lead time. It may be that those
> people currently having problems with the invisible peel-ply just bought
> their wing kits about the same time. When the problem works itself
through
> the system it may be that all wings come with the highly visible green
> peel-ply.
>
> For those of us that built our wings the hard way, the original wing kit
> came with blue peel-ply - lots of it!! Later on, I found that I needed
some
> more and I bought several rolls from Aircraft Spruce, the peel-ply that
> came from AS was indeed white and transparent when applied and had no red
> stripe at all. However, in my opinion, the white AS peel-ply was streets
> better than the original Europa supplied blue stuff. The green P-P is
fine
> but I still prefer the Aircraft Spruce P-P. The green is of slightly
> lighter grade and does not produce such a good job if used with any folds
> still in it - it needs to ironed for best results I understand.
>
> The components of the kit are not actually made at the Europa Factory -
> unless there is a secret underground skunk works in existence. As I
> understand it, the major glass fibre components are sub-contracted out to
a
> professional aircraft manufacturer. Maybe they will get round to green
> peel-ply eventually - maybe not.
>
> I think it is a little unfair to be so quick to criticise the factory -
when
> lead times for these major components are probably quite long. I think
that
> the guys at Europa react very quickly and appropriately when the need
arises
> and they are always actively engaged in improving the product whether the
> aircraft is flying or still under construction.
>
> I must agree with Jos - if the instructions say 'remove the peel-ply' and
> you don't, they the fault lies much closer than Kirbymoorside.
>
> As a young pilot, we where always told by our instructor to "RTFQ",
meaning
> 'Read The F****** Question'. Perhaps this is a case of "RTFI" - meaning
> 'Read the Instructions'.
>
> regards,
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <DuaneFamly@aol.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Peel Ply on Root Rib
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
> >
> > Jos,
> >
> > I agree with you wholeheartedly. My question is WHY use peel ply that is
> > invisible when a "very noticeable" colored peel ply is available? This
> would aid a
> > builder, many of which have never done this before, in completing his
> > aircraft with fewer "OOPS".
> >
> > Mike Duane A207
> > Redding, California
> > XS Conventional Gear
> >
> >
>
>
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