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1. 12:45 AM - 914 Heater (Graham Singleton)
2. 12:45 AM - Tom Friedland (Graham Singleton)
3. 01:23 AM - Re: Routing battery cables through the tunnel (Ami McFadyean)
4. 01:56 AM - Re: Ideas on Rib Mutilation (JohnDHeykoop@aol.com)
5. 05:29 AM - Re: 914 Heater (Troy Maynor)
6. 05:58 AM - Re: Tom Friedland ()
7. 06:26 AM - Re: 914 Heater (Jeremy Davey)
8. 06:58 AM - Andair (Jeremy Davey)
9. 07:17 AM - Re: Re: Com Radio Antenna Problem (Fergus Kyle)
10. 09:17 AM - Re: Re: Com Radio Antenna Problem (Jim Puglise)
11. 09:28 AM - Re: Europa Tri-Gear 3300 Jabiru Powered (Runnymede73@aol.com)
12. 10:25 AM - Re: First Flight, Brodie's A/C (RiteAngle3@aol.com)
13. 11:19 AM - Re: Ideas on Rib Mutilation (Rob Housman)
14. 01:18 PM - Re: Europa Tri-Gear 3300 Jabiru Powered (Rowland Carson)
15. 03:02 PM - Re: Europa Tri-Gear 3300 Jabiru Powered (Frank Wood)
16. 03:27 PM - Re: Europa Tri-Gear 3300 Jabiru Powered (Frank Wood)
17. 04:53 PM - Wing fairing problems (Jeff Roberts)
18. 10:55 PM - Re: Rotax rectifier-regulator feedback ? (Gilles.Thesee)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 24/10/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>914 Heater
>I believe there are a number of types doing this using the coolant circuit.
>My inspector used to be Rotax's biggest UK customer and he raised this
>possibility when I discussed cockpit heating with him. Might be worth
>looking into
>Jeremy Davey
Only sensible way to go, Jeremy. (IMHO{;-)
Graham
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 24/10/2003 -0700, you wrote:
Anyone!
Tom asked me a question but I can't get a reply to him. Does anyone have an
email address please?
BTW I'm off email for a week.
Graham
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| Subject: | Re: Routing battery cables through the tunnel |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
I did it hits way originally as a temporary measure (now its been changed to
battery-forward -of -firewall), but preferred to oversleeve cables where
they passed below the fuel tank, just in case they became red hot for
whatever reason. Sleeving comprised loose-fitting sewn-up tubes of
foil-backed fibreglass and sewing Nomex thread (didn't have any glass
thread).
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Routing battery cables through the tunnel
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I am thinking of putting my battery cables through the tunnel. Anyone
have some best practices to share ?
>
> Thanks, Paul
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ideas on Rib Mutilation |
--> Europa-List message posted by: JohnDHeykoop@aol.com
Hi Ron
I did this job a long time ago and asked the factory for guidance before
cutting holes in the ribs. Neville told me to put in two plies of bid in the form
of 2" discs before drilling the 3/4" holes I needed for my conduit.
I would not make the holes any larger than necessary. Surely you don't really
need a 1 inch diameter tube?
Regards
John
Mono #536
In a message dated 10/25/03 5:05:34 AM GMT Daylight Time,
rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us writes:
> Would appreciate input on Rib Mutilation.
>
> Have some thin wall, bout 1 inch OD Irrigation tube that I want to run in
> wing to plumb wires to tip and run static/airspeed hose through and stall
> warning indicator hoses/wires..
>
> I can cut a 1 inch hole and just let the plastic tube lay on the ribs.
>
> Or can put a few dabs of silicone at the joint.
>
> Also have some perfect fitting grommets, but that would require cutting a
> larger hole by probably 1/8 inch.
>
> Would it be recommended to reinforce rib, lets say with a BID Patch prior to
> cutting hole, especial if using grommets?
>
>
>
John Heykoop
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
This would be a challenge if not impossible in a monowheel. Where would you
put the cockpit radiator? You are building a tri-gear right Jeremy?
Troy Maynor
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Graham
Singleton
Subject: Europa-List: 914 Heater
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton
<graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 24/10/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>914 Heater
>I believe there are a number of types doing this using the coolant circuit.
>My inspector used to be Rotax's biggest UK customer and he raised this
>possibility when I discussed cockpit heating with him. Might be worth
>looking into
>Jeremy Davey
Only sensible way to go, Jeremy. (IMHO{;-)
Graham
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--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
Yup! Tom knows his address!
I thought it was on my email to you. It is beecho@beecho.org
Thanks Tom
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham
Singleton
Subject: Europa-List: Tom Friedland
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton
<graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 24/10/2003 -0700, you wrote:
Anyone!
Tom asked me a question but I can't get a reply to him. Does anyone have
an
email address please?
BTW I'm off email for a week.
Graham
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
Nooooo... a monowheel. No idea as yet where I'd put the output - not reached
that stage yet!
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Troy Maynor
Subject: RE: Europa-List: 914 Heater
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
This would be a challenge if not impossible in a monowheel. Where would you
put the cockpit radiator? You are building a tri-gear right Jeremy?
Troy Maynor
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Graham
Singleton
Subject: Europa-List: 914 Heater
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton
<graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 24/10/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>914 Heater
>I believe there are a number of types doing this using the coolant circuit.
>My inspector used to be Rotax's biggest UK customer and he raised this
>possibility when I discussed cockpit heating with him. Might be worth
>looking into
>Jeremy Davey
Only sensible way to go, Jeremy. (IMHO{;-)
Graham
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
Has anyone on the Forum ever bought anything from Andair directly then
needed some further assistance from them? I bought a fuel valve from them
(and they aren't cheap!) but they sent me the wrong front plate (the Europa
needs a flat one due to the thickness of bulkhead) and the wrong connectors
for the fuel lines.
The initial service from Andair was excellent. When I've got Owen on the
phone he's been very good, too, and has promised me the correct plate and
connectors, but he isn't getting around to it with any speed. I'm left
thinking that you only get service when you're spending money, not when
things go wrong - which is not what I would expect when buying a
premium-priced product.
Is this what people normally see in service from him? Or is my case unusual?
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Com Radio Antenna Problem |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Well, when you get down to it, a quarterwave whip above a quarterwave radius
ground cone is really much like a halfwave dipole, only less directive. the
cone gives it 50ohm nominal impedance but they both radiate in a doughnut
(circular toroid?) shape centre on the horizon - if the dipole is vertical
like ours. The cone just centres the pattern more accurately. I don't think
there's an 'above' or 'below' factor otherwise.
More intellectual minds may differ........
Ferg
----- Original Message -----
From: <n3eu@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Com Radio Antenna Problem
| --> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
|
| Jim Puglise wrote:
|
| > There are multiple grades of coax and you want to use high grade coax
| > and "type N" fittings.
|
| I can't agree that an "N" connector verses BNC will add anything at VHF,
Jim, though it would be better where it's subject to environmental
contamination. I've seen specs on factory male-female BNC connector pairs
at a nothing .2db insertion loss, and even if user-fabricated connectors -
true of any connector, any additional loss is still very small.
|
| At VHF also, any RG-58/whatever at less than 20 feet is perfectly
adequate, though solid conductor is arguably not good mechanically.
Lower-loss cable (400, 142) will be specified at transponder and GPS
frequencies, though.
|
| > The other thing I would do is build a simple
| > vertical dipole and jury rig a piece of cable to the radio and try it.
|
| The interesting thing about that is whether a 1/2-wave dipole behaves any
different from a 1/4-wave monopole whip antenna, if in free space (an
airplane). You'll find long/lively threads about this on ham newsgroups, so
I once posed the question to an actual engineer from an actual aircraft
antenna company. He said that despite the stuff in many texts on antenna
theory, they're exactly the same well above the earth. At least it mostly
answers the question as to why airframe mfrs don't mind comm antenna
installations on the top of fuselage, contrary to the insistence of the
1/4-wave "half-donut" purists that it shouldn't work well at all where an
ATC antenna is perforce below your altitude.
|
| It's also been written that a dipole is more sensitive to interference
from nearby metal elements than a monopole whip mounted inside a plastic
airplane, but if my antenna engineer friend is right, that might not be true
either. Maybe like the three rules of real estate valuation - location,
location, location!
|
| Regards,
| Fred F.
|
|
|
|
|
|
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Com Radio Antenna Problem |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Puglise" <jim_puglise@hotmail.com>
The point that I was trying to make was not one type over another, but a way
to install a cheap and temporary alternative to confirm that there is really
an antenna problem, nothing more. That having been said, the shape of the
fuselage would seem to lend itself well to the construction of a ground
plane, and that would probably be the easiest way to go if the commercially
purchased antenna is not going to work well.
Jim
>From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Com Radio Antenna Problem
>Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:22:27 -0400
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
>Well, when you get down to it, a quarterwave whip above a quarterwave
>radius
>ground cone is really much like a halfwave dipole, only less directive. the
>cone gives it 50ohm nominal impedance but they both radiate in a doughnut
>(circular toroid?) shape centre on the horizon - if the dipole is vertical
>like ours. The cone just centres the pattern more accurately. I don't think
>there's an 'above' or 'below' factor otherwise.
>More intellectual minds may differ........
>Ferg
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <n3eu@comcast.net>
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Com Radio Antenna Problem
>
>
>| --> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
>|
>| Jim Puglise wrote:
>|
>| > There are multiple grades of coax and you want to use high grade coax
>| > and "type N" fittings.
>|
>| I can't agree that an "N" connector verses BNC will add anything at VHF,
>Jim, though it would be better where it's subject to environmental
>contamination. I've seen specs on factory male-female BNC connector pairs
>at a nothing .2db insertion loss, and even if user-fabricated connectors -
>true of any connector, any additional loss is still very small.
>|
>| At VHF also, any RG-58/whatever at less than 20 feet is perfectly
>adequate, though solid conductor is arguably not good mechanically.
>Lower-loss cable (400, 142) will be specified at transponder and GPS
>frequencies, though.
>|
>| > The other thing I would do is build a simple
>| > vertical dipole and jury rig a piece of cable to the radio and try it.
>|
>| The interesting thing about that is whether a 1/2-wave dipole behaves any
>different from a 1/4-wave monopole whip antenna, if in free space (an
>airplane). You'll find long/lively threads about this on ham newsgroups,
>so
>I once posed the question to an actual engineer from an actual aircraft
>antenna company. He said that despite the stuff in many texts on antenna
>theory, they're exactly the same well above the earth. At least it mostly
>answers the question as to why airframe mfrs don't mind comm antenna
>installations on the top of fuselage, contrary to the insistence of the
>1/4-wave "half-donut" purists that it shouldn't work well at all where an
>ATC antenna is perforce below your altitude.
>|
>| It's also been written that a dipole is more sensitive to interference
>from nearby metal elements than a monopole whip mounted inside a plastic
>airplane, but if my antenna engineer friend is right, that might not be
>true
>either. Maybe like the three rules of real estate valuation - location,
>location, location!
>|
>| Regards,
>| Fred F.
>|
>|
>|
>|
>|
>|
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Tri-Gear 3300 Jabiru Powered |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Runnymede73@aol.com
very many congratulations Paul and well done
speak soon
bill dewey
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight, Brodie's A/C |
--> Europa-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
In a message dated 10/24/03 11:57:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
europa-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
I am pleased to tell you that the day Concorde has retired from active
service is the day that G-BYFG took her first flight.
The test pilot was Andy Draper who took the aircraft for a 10 minute flight
up to 1000ft at 100 kts.
I'll advise you of additional data in due course.
Regards,
Paul Brodie
Friday 24 October 2003
Paul, Congratulations on completing your aircraft. I sent you a personal
e-mail 23rd re audio enhancement for the RiteAngle III system. I had bad e-mail
address. Mod simple to do if needed.
Please send me note off line if need info.
Elbie Mendenhall
EM aviation www.riteangle.com
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| Subject: | Ideas on Rib Mutilation |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
First, do NOT run the conduit at the bottom of the rib as the factory
recommends doing for the pitot and static lines - this is a region of
maximum stress in the ribs. Best practice is to make any necessary holes in
the ribs at the vertical center of the rib, which in engineering terms is at
the "neutral axis" (that point that is neither stressed in tension or
compression).
Secondly, reinforcement is needed so a few plies of glass-epoxy around each
hole is required. Use the method described in the manual for Access Panels
as a guide.
Grommets would contribute nothing to strength so a better means of
protecting the tube from abrasion would be to overlap some of the
reinforcing onto the tube at tech side of the rib.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ronald J.
Parigoris
Subject: Europa-List: Ideas on Rib Mutilation
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris"
<rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Would appreciate input on Rib Mutilation.
Have some thin wall, bout 1 inch OD Irrigation tube that I want to run in
wing to plumb wires to tip and run static/airspeed hose through and stall
warning indicator hoses/wires..
I can cut a 1 inch hole and just let the plastic tube lay on the ribs.
Or can put a few dabs of silicone at the joint.
Also have some perfect fitting grommets, but that would require cutting a
larger hole by probably 1/8 inch.
Would it be recommended to reinforce rib, lets say with a BID Patch prior to
cutting hole, especial if using grommets?
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
A-265 monowheel
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Tri-Gear 3300 Jabiru Powered |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
On 2003 10 24 at 16:57 -0600, Frank Wood wrote:
>My europa is A026 and I
>purchased it about 70% complete
Frank - I'm puzzled by your kit number. A026 was issued to Norman
Marsh (he also had kit 219 earlier) and the aircraft was registered
in 1997 03 and flew as N13NM. The FAA cancelled that mark on its
export to New Zealand in 2000 03, where it took up ZK-NWM from 2002
07 18. Sadly Norman Marsh died a while back and ZK-NWM has a new
owner now.
Is it possible that A026 is a typo? If you can tell me from whom you
bought the part-completed kit, that will probably solve the mystery
as I should be able to match up names in the factory list (I can't
find your name in the latest one I have).
By the way, no doubt you are aware of the Jabiru engines e-mail list
the talk there is about use on microlights, there is useful
information interchange for any Jabiru engine user.
regards
Rowland
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| Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary
| Europa 435 G-ROWI (640 hours building) PFA #16532
| e-mail <memsec@europaclub.org.uk> website <www.europaclub.org.uk>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Tri-Gear 3300 Jabiru Powered |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Frank Wood <fswood@shaw.ca>
Hi Rowland,Thanks for your e-mail,You are correct,the Europa #a026 was
Norman Marsh,s.Sadly Norman had an accident in the rockies about one and
half years, ago in his glider, and I purchased A026 from his estate, this
spring.Gliding in the rockies can be quite dangerous,just this last week
another friend of a friend kissed the rocks near Creston.I am having some
problems getting through the registration process as the paper work done by
Norman during his part of the construction is missing.I may even have to
trailer the aircraft down to Lakeland in Florida ,when I get it completed
,get it registered down there,put 100 hrs on it, then bring it back to
Canada, to get the Canadian numbers on it,oh.oh.oh,the ways of govt.can be
frustrating. If you know the aircraft or are interested in some photos I can
e-mail them to you. Frank S Wood.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rowland Carson" <rowil@clara.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Tri-Gear 3300 Jabiru Powered
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
>
> On 2003 10 24 at 16:57 -0600, Frank Wood wrote:
>
> >My europa is A026 and I
> >purchased it about 70% complete
>
> Frank - I'm puzzled by your kit number. A026 was issued to Norman
> Marsh (he also had kit 219 earlier) and the aircraft was registered
> in 1997 03 and flew as N13NM. The FAA cancelled that mark on its
> export to New Zealand in 2000 03, where it took up ZK-NWM from 2002
> 07 18. Sadly Norman Marsh died a while back and ZK-NWM has a new
> owner now.
>
> Is it possible that A026 is a typo? If you can tell me from whom you
> bought the part-completed kit, that will probably solve the mystery
> as I should be able to match up names in the factory list (I can't
> find your name in the latest one I have).
>
> By the way, no doubt you are aware of the Jabiru engines e-mail list
> the talk there is about use on microlights, there is useful
> information interchange for any Jabiru engine user.
>
> regards
>
> Rowland
> --
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Tri-Gear 3300 Jabiru Powered |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Frank Wood <fswood@shaw.ca>
Hi Rowland,The last part of your e-mail did not get through the first
time.Is it possible that it is kit #219 that went to NZ,? John Hurst gave me
the number and the sales contract from atty for the estate states #A026,the
aircraft was partially constructed by Bob Berube under contract to
Norman.Bob, as you know, is an employee of Europa in Florida .It would be
interesting if this aircraft had indeed been registered in the U.S.it would
sure make things easier for me getting it registered in Canada.I would
certainly be interested in joining the Europa Club and meeting with you and
other members at your functions,I travel to Europe often and I am sure that
I could arrange the timing to met one of your fly-ins. Thanks for your info.
Frank.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rowland Carson" <rowil@clara.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Tri-Gear 3300 Jabiru Powered
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
>
> On 2003 10 24 at 16:57 -0600, Frank Wood wrote:
>
> >My europa is A026 and I
> >purchased it about 70% complete
>
> Frank - I'm puzzled by your kit number. A026 was issued to Norman
> Marsh (he also had kit 219 earlier) and the aircraft was registered
> in 1997 03 and flew as N13NM. The FAA cancelled that mark on its
> export to New Zealand in 2000 03, where it took up ZK-NWM from 2002
> 07 18. Sadly Norman Marsh died a while back and ZK-NWM has a new
> owner now.
>
> Is it possible that A026 is a typo? If you can tell me from whom you
> bought the part-completed kit, that will probably solve the mystery
> as I should be able to match up names in the factory list (I can't
> find your name in the latest one I have).
>
> By the way, no doubt you are aware of the Jabiru engines e-mail list
> the talk there is about use on microlights, there is useful
> information interchange for any Jabiru engine user.
>
> regards
>
> Rowland
> --
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Wing fairing problems |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
I have just attached my first wingroot fairing on to the port side wing. We
glued it and screwed it and placed it against the card stock taped against
the fuselage for paint spacing. Everything went well and we seam to have a
good fit however. The outer most edge of the flange curls back away from the
sides a bit in places. My question is how have others pushed this back or
should we just trim the outer flange edges back to where they touch the
fuselage again.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
Jeff
A258 Trigear
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax rectifier-regulator feedback ? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Gilles.Thesee" <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
Thanks to all who responded.
Has anyone wired his airplane as per Bob Nuckolls' philosophy ?
Thanks
Gilles Thesee
Grenoble France
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