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1. 01:57 PM - Light weight fill (Ronald J. Parigoris)
2. 03:49 PM - Tail Nav Light (DJA727@aol.com)
3. 06:23 PM - Re: Light weight fill (Rob Housman)
4. 06:27 PM - Re: Tail Nav Light (Rob Housman)
5. 06:30 PM - Interference? (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
6. 07:06 PM - Re: Nav lights (Michael Grass)
7. 07:10 PM - Re: Tail Nav Light (Fred R. Klein)
8. 07:21 PM - Photo of exhaust pipe exit on the bottom cowl (Paul McAllister)
9. 08:46 PM - Re: Nav lights (n3eu@comcast.net)
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| Subject: | Light weight fill |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Wondering if anyone has fooled with aeropoxy light weight fill?
Superfill?
How friendly are these products at adding to low spots and getting the same sand
ability?
Do you need yo apply a light coat of resin before applying either aeropoxy light
or superfill?
Any other products better?
Or just stick with expancel and make sure you fill in enough first time around?
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
Does anyone out there in computer land know of a convenient way of mounting a
tail nav light on a Europa other than the wing tip? I can imagine a simple
fairing that could be bonded to the rudder as is done on many aircraft.
Thanks,
Dave
A227
Mini U2
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| Subject: | Light weight fill |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
The Expancell has the big advantage of being cheap - after ordering the
tailplane kit the factory introduced the XS so I had a massive amount of
Expancell sufficient to complete foam core wings. It is not particularly
difficult to use and sand but Polyfiber's SuperFil is definitely easier to
use. SuperFil spreads nicely but with the homemade mix it is difficult to
get the consistency just right - it is too easy to get it either runny or so
thick that it refuses to stick to the surface being filled. Both sand at
about the same rate so it is possible to fill with SuperFil over the
Expancell mixed with the Aeropoxy (not to be confused with Aeropoxy Light
Filler which I have not used) and blend the two to a good finish with no
discernible line between the two materials.
SuperFil is also compatible with Polyfiber's Pre-Prime so the Pre-Primed
surface can be filled with SuperFil directly over the Pre-Prime to fill
those very small indentations that were not visible until the surface had a
gloss (there's your answer to getting it right the first time around - I
didn't, but did not know it until after rolling on the Pre-Prime). Here
too, the stuff blends perfectly after sanding, this time with the Pre-Prime.
I used both fillers "dry," meaning without coating the surface to be filled
with epoxy.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ronald J.
Parigoris
Subject: Europa-List: Light weight fill
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris"
<rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Wondering if anyone has fooled with aeropoxy light weight fill?
Superfill?
How friendly are these products at adding to low spots and getting the same
sand
ability?
Do you need yo apply a light coat of resin before applying either aeropoxy
light
or superfill?
Any other products better?
Or just stick with expancel and make sure you fill in enough first time
around?
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
That is exactly what I have done. I drilled a hole in the foam core, fore
to aft, and fed the wires through that hole. The Whelen white light -strobe
combo mounts to a faired flat on the thin end of the rudder nearly at the
highest point on the rudder. The flat is 1/8 inch thick aluminum sheet
tapped to accommodate the mounting screws.
The only (minor) problem is that the Whelen assembly's strobe wires with a
factory-attached plug does not reach through the rudder, which is odd
because the wires for the tail light are long enough but without a plug.
That logic escapes me.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of DJA727@aol.com
Subject: Europa-List: Tail Nav Light
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
Does anyone out there in computer land know of a convenient way of mounting
a
tail nav light on a Europa other than the wing tip? I can imagine a simple
fairing that could be bonded to the rudder as is done on many aircraft.
Thanks,
Dave
A227
Mini U2
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Good Day to all....especially those that are flying,
I have just completed installing the cockpit module into the canoe. That
Redux job was an interesting ballet of asses and elbows, but it got done with only
one minor(?) hitch. Now when I move the control column far left and right I
get an interference about halfway to the stop. After careful looking I have
found that both CS08 cranks are pushing against the bottom skin. Did I do
something wrong? Has this happened to anyone else?
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net>
Hi to all,
I am a little puzzled with the way the discussion here goes in regards of
the NAV lights. I know that the most responses are coming from the people
who have to adhere to the FAA regulations, and in particular the FAR Sec.
91.205 section c).
It say's you need 1: minimum required instruments 2: "approved" position
lights and 3: "approved" aviation red or aviation white anti-collision
lights.
I original liked the Aeroflash system but there are not "PMA"ed, so I come
more and more to the conclusion that I have to use the "approved" Whelen
wingtip position/strobe/pos lights.
The question I guess, I should ask. What does "approved" mean?
I think it even becomes more important if you want to get your plane
IFRapproved.
How do you folks see that?
Thanks
Michael Grass
A266 tri gear
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Nav lights
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Dave
>
> I saw a guy with an RV who took his Plexiglas covers and had then dyed to
> the correct colours with some type of Nylon dye. He then simply put
> automotive bulbs behind them and it worked great.
>
> I am going todo a similar variation, I am going to build my lights with
> LED's and have my wing tip lenses dyed the correct colour. The LED's are
> part of my attempt to try and get by on the single rotax alternator. Time
> will tell how successful I will be.
>
> Cheers, Paul
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Nav Light |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
on 10/30/03 3:48 PM, DJA727@aol.com at DJA727@aol.com wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
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> Does anyone out there in computer land know of a convenient way of mounting a
> tail nav light on a Europa other than the wing tip? I can imagine a simple
> fairing that could be bonded to the rudder as is done on many aircraft.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave
> A227
> Mini U2
>
>
>
>
>
Dave w/ A227,
Check out Paul McAllister's website listed at europa-usa.com!
Fred, A194
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| Subject: | Photo of exhaust pipe exit on the bottom cowl |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
Does anyone out there happen to have a photo of the tail pipe as it exits the cowl
for a 914 installation. If so I'd appreciate it if you could send it to me.
Thanks & regards, Paul
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--> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
I'll try 'n field this one. First, "PMA" is not "approved" as contemplated in
the Part 91 rule that nav and anti-collision must be approved. It's only authorization
to hit the green start button on a production line for a part approved
under other rules.
Second, it doesn't follow that if an FAA inspector or DAR under delegation does
not question the system that it becomes "approved" either. There's a classic
NSTB decision where a local FAA office "approved" per 337 the installation of
a monster turboprop on something like a C-172. Obvious mistakes in the extent
of local office approval authority don't count said NTSB, and the operator was
found to have been operating an unairworthy aircraft and should have known
better.
Thirdly, for approval of these systems, FAA has a detailed advisory circular describing
test procedures for compliance with Part 23 rules, but far beyond the
capability of a homebuilder and providing easy FAA basis for "approved."
Part 23 does not apply to homebuilts, but it's the only place FAA sets out specifics
for lighting, and a law student past the course on federal adminstrative
law can answer that one without much contemplation.
The potential jeopardy: 1) insurance, because it will be the op lims letter which
allows night flight if the system is "approved." Allowing the insurer to define
approved per above. 2) a violation case is possible where there's a near
collision, especially like with an airliner under visual separation and complaining
that the other aircraft's lights were not clearly visible.
Thus also my approach to this, namely heck with FAA rules. I'd prefer to be clearly
seen at night especially by that airliner or bizjet at 250 indicated, meaning
the more intensity the better, meaning an "approved" system, like Whelen
or Grimes makes.
Best,
Fred F.
> I am a little puzzled with the way the discussion here goes in regards of
> the NAV lights. I know that the most responses are coming from the people
> who have to adhere to the FAA regulations, and in particular the FAR Sec.
> 91.205 section c).
> It say's you need 1: minimum required instruments 2: "approved" position
> lights and 3: "approved" aviation red or aviation white anti-collision
> lights.
>
> I original liked the Aeroflash system but there are not "PMA"ed, so I come
> more and more to the conclusion that I have to use the "approved" Whelen
> wingtip position/strobe/pos lights.
>
> The question I guess, I should ask. What does "approved" mean?
>
> I think it even becomes more important if you want to get your plane
> IFRapproved.
>
> How do you folks see that?
>
> Thanks
>
> Michael Grass
> A266 tri gear
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