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Tue 11/04/03


Total Messages Posted: 21



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     1. 12:19 AM - Drill fiberglass with little cracking (Ronald J. Parigoris)
     2. 05:59 AM - Re: Re:Dynon EFIS (STOUT, GARRY V, CSFF2)
     3. 07:22 AM - Re: Rotax Turbo for sale on ebay (Dan Bish)
     4. 07:39 AM - Re: Re:Dynon EFIS (DJA727@aol.com)
     5. 11:09 AM - Re: Re:Dynon EFIS (bizzarro@easynet.co.uk)
     6. 11:21 AM - Re: filler (bizzarro@easynet.co.uk)
     7. 11:46 AM - Re: Re:Dynon EFIS (Rob Housman)
     8. 12:01 PM - Re: Re:Dynon EFIS (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
     9. 01:02 PM - Re: filler (Fergus Kyle)
    10. 02:05 PM - Re: Re:Dynon EFIS (Fergus Kyle)
    11. 02:41 PM - europa club website (Rowland Carson)
    12. 02:58 PM - Re: Re:Dynon EFIS (Rob Housman)
    13. 04:29 PM - Re: Dynon EFIS (Jim Butcher)
    14. 06:30 PM - Re: Re:Dynon EFIS (n3eu@comcast.net)
    15. 06:34 PM - Re: Re: Dynon EFIS (n3eu@comcast.net)
    16. 06:40 PM - Re: filler (n3eu@comcast.net)
    17. 06:42 PM - Re: filler (Robert Berube)
    18. 07:20 PM - Zolatone (Troy Maynor)
    19. 08:31 PM - Re: Re: Dynon EFIS (Jeff Roberts)
    20. 08:43 PM - Re: Re: Dynon EFIS (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
    21. 11:20 PM - Re: Zolatone (David DeFord)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:19:44 AM PST US
    From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
    Subject: Drill fiberglass with little cracking
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us> I broke down and purchased a set of 60 degree plastic/laminate/fiberglass drill bits from McMaster Carr. They perform on fiberglass as expected. almost no cracking, and no grabbing. They make pretty round holes close to size of bit. The secret is the cutting edge is 90 degrees. Works so nice. In addition, when working on hinges, they are the perfect tool to drill centered through the fiberglass into and through the aluminium hinges. Having such a sharp 60 degree angle centers things so nice. Anyway for precision alignment, i use a 60 degree center drill to make a small pilot hole, then go at it with the 60 degree plastic/laminate/fiberglass bit. End result is hole is a lot rounder, diameter is close to drill size, and position of hole after 2 passes is close to spot on. I have 118 degree bits, and 135 degree split point jobbers bits. The 135 degree is poor for drilling out a smaller hole and keeping things centered. The 135 degree points are however do good for hard steel, or if using a drill press and you do not want to use multiple drill bits and just make 1 cut. For not too precision hole placements, they work OK in a hand drill. For some reason McMaster does not have them in Catalogue near the drill bits, you need to look up in the index for location. Ron Parigoris


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    Time: 05:59:28 AM PST US
    Subject: Re:Dynon EFIS
    From: "STOUT, GARRY V, CSFF2" <garrys@att.com>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "STOUT, GARRY V, CSFF2" <garrys@att.com> I would like to solicit the experience of others with the RC Allen electric gyro horizon unit. I have over 300 hours on my Europa and after the first 200 hours the RC Allen failed. I sent it to the factory where I was charged $975 for an "overhaul". Upon reinstalling it, it still didn't work properly. After about 10 minutes of use the horizon begins to drift...........showing a bank angle when in fact the wings are straight and level. If I "cage" the unit momentarily, that resets the horizon properly and I'm good for 10 or 15 minutes, but then it begins to drift again and I start the cage/reset process all over again. This doesn't give one a good sense of security as when you're descending through 5,000 feet of solid IMC weather you'd like to have confidence that the horizon is operating properly. Like John Wigney, I am unable to utilize a vacuum horizon as my accessory pad is taken up with the hydraulic pump for the constant speed prop. What experience have others had with the RC Allen? What alternative electric choices are available out there? Regards, Garry V. Stout A060, N4220S From: John & Paddy Wigney <johnwigney@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Dynon EFIS * I have approximately 200 hours time on my plane and for the first 150 hours I had an RC Allen electric gyro horizon. This unit was totally unsatisfactory despite being sent back to the factory 3 times for repair. After 5 minutes of flight, the horizon showed a descending left bank while straight and level. Factory overhauls failed to fix the problem, despite verification on my bench that the gyro appeared to be OK.


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    Time: 07:22:45 AM PST US
    From: "Dan Bish" <danbish@norwalktucson.com>
    Subject: Re: Rotax Turbo for sale on ebay
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish" <danbish@norwalktucson.com> Easy come, easy go. Looks like they're suspended bidding for some reason. Sent an email to find out why but haven't heard anything. And, yes, the bidding can really go up at the end so it's anybody's guess what it might have gone for. Thanks for letting us know about it. Looking forward to seeing your plane soon. Got a voice msg from Rob the other day inviting me up but heard about the delay due to the So. CA fires. Hopefully you'll be able to move forward soon as I'm sure you're ready to get flying! Dan A144 Tucson


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    Time: 07:39:49 AM PST US
    From: DJA727@aol.com
    Subject: Re:Dynon EFIS
    --> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com In a message dated 11/4/2003 6:00:21 AM Pacific Standard Time, garrys@att.com writes: > > I would like to solicit the experience of others with the RC Allen > electric gyro horizon unit. I have over 300 hours on my Europa and > after the first 200 hours the RC Allen failed. I sent it to the factory > where I was charged $975 for an "overhaul". Upon reinstalling it, it > still didn't work properly. After about 10 minutes of use the horizon > begins to drift...........showing a bank angle when in fact the wings > are straight and level. If I "cage" the unit momentarily, that resets > the horizon properly and I'm good for 10 or 15 minutes, but then it > begins to drift again and I start the cage/reset process all over again. > This doesn't give one a good sense of security as when you're descending > through 5,000 feet of solid IMC weather you'd like to have confidence > that the horizon is operating properly. Like John Wigney, I am unable > to utilize a vacuum horizon as my accessory pad is taken up with the > hydraulic pump for the constant speed prop. What experience have others > had with the RC Allen? What alternative electric choices are available > out there? I have one in my twin comanche purchased new. It has worked perfectly for years - no problems whatsoever. I think you have an issue with the overhaul facility. There is no reason it should be behaving as you describe. Dave A227 Mini U2


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    Time: 11:09:03 AM PST US
    From: bizzarro@easynet.co.uk
    Subject: Re:Dynon EFIS
    --> Europa-List message posted by: bizzarro@easynet.co.uk Have you checked that the vacuum is sufficient to drive the unit? Check that there isn't an issue with the pipework behind the panel being constricted in some way. Just an idea! Eddie G-SELF Jabiru 3300 powered Europa Clasic Quoting DJA727@aol.com: > --> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com > > In a message dated 11/4/2003 6:00:21 AM Pacific Standard Time, garrys@att.com > > writes: > > > > > I would like to solicit the experience of others with the RC Allen > > electric gyro horizon unit. I have over 300 hours on my Europa and > > after the first 200 hours the RC Allen failed. I sent it to the factory > > where I was charged $975 for an "overhaul". Upon reinstalling it, it > > still didn't work properly. After about 10 minutes of use the horizon > > begins to drift...........showing a bank angle when in fact the wings > > are straight and level. If I "cage" the unit momentarily, that resets > > the horizon properly and I'm good for 10 or 15 minutes, but then it > > begins to drift again and I start the cage/reset process all over again. > > This doesn't give one a good sense of security as when you're descending > > through 5,000 feet of solid IMC weather you'd like to have confidence > > that the horizon is operating properly. Like John Wigney, I am unable > > to utilize a vacuum horizon as my accessory pad is taken up with the > > hydraulic pump for the constant speed prop. What experience have others > > had with the RC Allen? What alternative electric choices are available > > out there? > > I have one in my twin comanche purchased new. It has worked perfectly for > years - no problems whatsoever. I think you have an issue with the overhaul > facility. There is no reason it should be behaving as you describe. > > Dave > A227 > Mini U2 > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.easynetdial.co.uk


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    Time: 11:21:26 AM PST US
    From: bizzarro@easynet.co.uk
    Subject: Re: filler
    --> Europa-List message posted by: bizzarro@easynet.co.uk We too had problems with uncured superfill. The Blue stuff was very dry in the first 2 pots we had. This made up the areas that we had to dig out. Quite alot on our wings actually. The problem was kind of half recognised by Polyfiber. I was told that there was a problem with some batches of blue being too dry but that that would not cause the stuff to refuse to set! I am not so sure about that. The newer batches are fine. I too have tried the microbaloons that came with the kit, but found that it was a real bas***d to apply and sand. I would still go with Polyfiber even after the problems that I had with a couple of pots. It just sands so well! Eddie Quoting Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>: > --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton > <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk> > > At 23:56 31/10/2003 -0800, you wrote: > >Contrary to popular opinion I had trouble with the Polyfiber fairing > >stuff. It was probably my fault for not heating the mix but I found it > >hard to mix and it did not mix well so when I applied it there were > >globs that did not cure and I had to dig them out. I have used supplied > >epoxy/microballoon since and am happy with it. It takes a bit of > >practice to mix just right so it sticks and doesn't slump but it is not > >hard to do and I found it sands just fine. One does have to wait two to > >three days to sand but then it goes well. (And much less expensive...) > > I had trouble with some Superfill but it was very old and near the bottom > of the tin, probably resin/filler ratio was inaccurate due to settlement. > It is easier to use though. > I now use a very sharp wood plane to trim back the filler. Works > beautifully and takes very thin shavings off just like wood but in any > direction. I can start cutting back after an overnight cure too. Got that > tip from here, doesn't one of Bob's boys do it that way? > Graham > > > --- > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.easynetdial.co.uk


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    Time: 11:46:20 AM PST US
    From: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
    Subject: Re:Dynon EFIS
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com> Um, er, well, er . . . . OK, I'll have to be blunt - he said it was an ELECTRIC gyro. Best regards, Rob Housman Europa XS Tri-Gear A070 Airframe complete Irvine, CA -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of bizzarro@easynet.co.uk Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re:Dynon EFIS --> Europa-List message posted by: bizzarro@easynet.co.uk Have you checked that the vacuum is sufficient to drive the unit? Check that there isn't an issue with the pipework behind the panel being constricted in some way. Just an idea! Eddie G-SELF Jabiru 3300 powered Europa Clasic Quoting DJA727@aol.com: > --> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com > > In a message dated 11/4/2003 6:00:21 AM Pacific Standard Time, garrys@att.com > > writes: > > > > > I would like to solicit the experience of others with the RC Allen > > electric gyro horizon unit. I have over 300 hours on my Europa and > > after the first 200 hours the RC Allen failed. I sent it to the factory > > where I was charged $975 for an "overhaul". Upon reinstalling it, it > > still didn't work properly. After about 10 minutes of use the horizon > > begins to drift...........showing a bank angle when in fact the wings > > are straight and level. If I "cage" the unit momentarily, that resets > > the horizon properly and I'm good for 10 or 15 minutes, but then it > > begins to drift again and I start the cage/reset process all over again. > > This doesn't give one a good sense of security as when you're descending > > through 5,000 feet of solid IMC weather you'd like to have confidence > > that the horizon is operating properly. Like John Wigney, I am unable > > to utilize a vacuum horizon as my accessory pad is taken up with the > > hydraulic pump for the constant speed prop. What experience have others > > had with the RC Allen? What alternative electric choices are available > > out there? > > I have one in my twin comanche purchased new. It has worked perfectly for > years - no problems whatsoever. I think you have an issue with the overhaul > facility. There is no reason it should be behaving as you describe. > > Dave > A227 > Mini U2 > > --------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.easynetdial.co.uk


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    Time: 12:01:04 PM PST US
    Subject: Re:Dynon EFIS
    From: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
    11/04/2003 03:00:45 PM, Serialize complete at 11/04/2003 03:00:45 PM --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu Eddie, He did note that he was talking about the electric drive version. There have been many complaints on the web about this device Maybe it is a conspiracy, maybe the product is a poor excuse for an aviation qualified gyro. Many also complain it comes with no documents. Ira N224XS bizzarro@easynet.co.uk Sent by: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com 11/04/03 02:08 PM Please respond to europa-list To: europa-list@matronics.com, DJA727@aol.com cc: Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re:Dynon EFIS --> Europa-List message posted by: bizzarro@easynet.co.uk Have you checked that the vacuum is sufficient to drive the unit? Check that there isn't an issue with the pipework behind the panel being constricted in some way. Just an idea! Eddie G-SELF Jabiru 3300 powered Europa Clasic Quoting DJA727@aol.com: > --> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com > > In a message dated 11/4/2003 6:00:21 AM Pacific Standard Time, garrys@att.com > > writes: > > > > > I would like to solicit the experience of others with the RC Allen > > electric gyro horizon unit. I have over 300 hours on my Europa and > > after the first 200 hours the RC Allen failed. I sent it to the factory


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    Time: 01:02:35 PM PST US
    From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
    Subject: Re: filler
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca> | I too have tried the microbaloons that came with the kit, but found that it was | a real bas***d to apply and sand. I would still go with Polyfiber even after | the problems that I had with a couple of pots. It just sands so well! | Eddie Cheers, I had trouble with the Europa filler, until I coated (ever so lightly) the required area with the finest touch of epoxy to 'dampen' it. Waited a few minutes and the filler stuck like ............. Easy to sand and easy to clean. Ferg A064 mono


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    Time: 02:05:58 PM PST US
    From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
    Subject: Re:Dynon EFIS
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re:Dynon EFIS | --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com> | | Um, er, well, er . . . . OK, I'll have to be blunt - he said it was an | ELECTRIC gyro. | | | Best regards, | | Rob Housman | Europa XS Tri-Gear A070 | Airframe complete | Irvine, CA Rob, My Lord. you're incredibly preceptive...............and blunt. Cheers, Ferg| | -----Original Message----- | From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com | [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of | bizzarro@easynet.co.uk | To: europa-list@matronics.com; DJA727@aol.com | Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re:Dynon EFIS | | --> Europa-List message posted by: bizzarro@easynet.co.uk | | Have you checked that the vacuum is sufficient to drive the unit? Check that | there isn't an issue with the pipework behind the panel being constricted in | some way. Just an idea! | | Eddie | | G-SELF Jabiru 3300 powered Europa Clasic | | Quoting DJA727@aol.com: | | > --> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com | > | > In a message dated 11/4/2003 6:00:21 AM Pacific Standard Time, | garrys@att.com | > | > writes: | > | > > | > > I would like to solicit the experience of others with the RC Allen | > > electric gyro horizon unit. I have over 300 hours on my Europa and | > > after the first 200 hours the RC Allen failed. I sent it to the factory | > > where I was charged $975 for an "overhaul". Upon reinstalling it, it | > > still didn't work properly. After about 10 minutes of use the horizon | > > begins to drift...........showing a bank angle when in fact the wings | > > are straight and level. If I "cage" the unit momentarily, that resets | > > the horizon properly and I'm good for 10 or 15 minutes, but then it | > > begins to drift again and I start the cage/reset process all over agai n. | > > This doesn't give one a good sense of security as when you're descending | > > through 5,000 feet of solid IMC weather you'd like to have confidence | > > that the horizon is operating properly. Like John Wigney, I am unable | > > to utilize a vacuum horizon as my accessory pad is taken up with the | > > hydraulic pump for the constant speed prop. What experience have others | > > had with the RC Allen? What alternative electric choices are available | > > out there? | > | > I have one in my twin comanche purchased new. It has worked perfectly for | > years - no problems whatsoever. I think you have an issue with the | overhaul | > facility. There is no reason it should be behaving as you describe. | > | > Dave | > A227 | > Mini U2 | > | > | | | --------------------------------------------------- | This mail sent through http://www.easynetdial.co.uk | | | | | |


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    Time: 02:41:57 PM PST US
    From: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
    Subject: europa club website
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net> It seems we have some problems with the host machine at the Europa Club website. If anyone is having trouble viewing pages or navigating, please be patient for a day or two while we try to get it sorted out. regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary | Europa 435 G-ROWI (650 hours building) PFA #16532 | e-mail <memsec@europaclub.org.uk> website <www.europaclub.org.uk>


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    Time: 02:58:03 PM PST US
    From: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
    Subject: Re:Dynon EFIS
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com> Well, Ferg, I tried to be subtle ... but even after living almost four decades in SoCal I still sometimes revert to certain traits learned in my native NYC. As those I left behind would say...You got a problem wid dat? ;-) Best regards, Rob Housman Europa XS Tri-Gear A070 Airframe complete Irvine, CA DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fergus Kyle Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re:Dynon EFIS --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re:Dynon EFIS | --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com> | | Um, er, well, er . . . . OK, I'll have to be blunt - he said it was an | ELECTRIC gyro. | | | Best regards, | | Rob Housman | Europa XS Tri-Gear A070 | Airframe complete | Irvine, CA Rob, My Lord. you're incredibly preceptive...............and blunt. Cheers, Ferg| | -----Original Message----- | From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com | [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of | bizzarro@easynet.co.uk | To: europa-list@matronics.com; DJA727@aol.com | Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re:Dynon EFIS | | --> Europa-List message posted by: bizzarro@easynet.co.uk | | Have you checked that the vacuum is sufficient to drive the unit? Check that | there isn't an issue with the pipework behind the panel being constricted in | some way. Just an idea! | | Eddie | | G-SELF Jabiru 3300 powered Europa Clasic | | Quoting DJA727@aol.com: | | > --> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com | > | > In a message dated 11/4/2003 6:00:21 AM Pacific Standard Time, | garrys@att.com | > | > writes: | > | > > | > > I would like to solicit the experience of others with the RC Allen | > > electric gyro horizon unit. I have over 300 hours on my Europa and | > > after the first 200 hours the RC Allen failed. I sent it to the factory | > > where I was charged $975 for an "overhaul". Upon reinstalling it, it | > > still didn't work properly. After about 10 minutes of use the horizon | > > begins to drift...........showing a bank angle when in fact the wings | > > are straight and level. If I "cage" the unit momentarily, that resets | > > the horizon properly and I'm good for 10 or 15 minutes, but then it | > > begins to drift again and I start the cage/reset process all over agai n. | > > This doesn't give one a good sense of security as when you're descending | > > through 5,000 feet of solid IMC weather you'd like to have confidence | > > that the horizon is operating properly. Like John Wigney, I am unable | > > to utilize a vacuum horizon as my accessory pad is taken up with the | > > hydraulic pump for the constant speed prop. What experience have others | > > had with the RC Allen? What alternative electric choices are available | > > out there? | > | > I have one in my twin comanche purchased new. It has worked perfectly for | > years - no problems whatsoever. I think you have an issue with the | overhaul | > facility. There is no reason it should be behaving as you describe. | > | > Dave | > A227 | > Mini U2 | > | > | | | --------------------------------------------------- | This mail sent through http://www.easynetdial.co.uk | | | | | |


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    Time: 04:29:49 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
    Subject: Re: Dynon EFIS
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net> Dave, I've been following your thread. I've chosen to go with the BMA EFIS Lite. It has GPS built in which solves problems that can crop up with the AHRS. At this time only BMA has been approved by Lancair and it took quite a bit of work on BMA's part to get the unit to pass their tests. Jim Butcher A185


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    Time: 06:30:19 PM PST US
    From: n3eu@comcast.net
    Subject: Re:Dynon EFIS
    --> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net Re - various comments about RC Allen electrics: The instrument shop from whom I bought the RC Allen Electrics said their overall experience with them has been very good. They do not field-repair them, but send them to RC Allen; I think I understand the reasons. Anyway, that makes it very expensive. They can charge whatever they want for repair if few shops will open them up and there's little direct competition (for electric gyros approved for type-certificated aircraft). The entire industry here has been in trouble for many years. The owner of the shop told me she hears of shops for sale that can't attract a buyer beyond bargain sales price, i.e., liquidation value of the shop equipment. Further evidence is at Aircraft Spruce's catalog price, profit per gyro could be about $50. Her A&P/IA husband works for her and told me shipping box materials are critical for any gyro. E.g., styrofoam peanuts bad. By extension, the way a builder (mis)handles 'em is important also. Regards, Fred F.


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    Time: 06:34:57 PM PST US
    From: n3eu@comcast.net
    Subject: Re: Dynon EFIS
    --> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net > I've been following your thread. I've chosen to go with the BMA EFIS Lite. > It has GPS built in which solves problems that can crop up with the AHRS. > At this time only BMA has been approved by Lancair and it took quite a bit > of work on BMA's part to get the unit to pass their tests. > > Jim Butcher A185 The deal is between BMA and Lancair Avionics, not Lancair Aircraft. Can't tell from Lancair's web site that it's an option on their certified aircraft. Of course, a web site which misspells "dual" and "warranty" might be incomplete. :-) Do you know if a certificated-Lancair owner must retain the mechanical gyros? One panel snapshot of the 400 looks like backup via an RC Allen electric, BTW! Reason I'm curious is FAA's Advisory Circular on certifying planes for IFR with electronic systems suggests it's very difficult w/o dual systems or conventional backup. Regards, Fred F.


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    Time: 06:40:35 PM PST US
    From: n3eu@comcast.net
    Subject: Re: filler
    --> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net raham Singleton wrote: > > I had trouble with some Superfill but it was very old and near the bottom > of the tin, probably resin/filler ratio was inaccurate due to settlement. > It is easier to use though. I noticed that too, but learned to always stir the tan stuff before use. Else you can also store the tan jug upside down periodically. I went through cumulatively 4 gallons of the stuff - old Europa wings finished to dial indicator accuracy per Bob Arnold's tape. Toward the end, especially for small batches, I just eyed blobs for 2:1 ratio, while always noting apparent 2:1 remaining in the containers. Never once had a cure or other problem. Even tried thinning with alcohol -- scraping a surface down and reapplying it a couple times dries it out but good. That worked(!), though not recommended. So did some drops of mixed epoxy finishing resin from the hobby shop. Found SuperFil is very forgiving stuff. Regards, Fred F.


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    Time: 06:42:45 PM PST US
    From: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: filler
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com> The commercial shop that we use at Flight Crafters for filling likes the Expancell supplied with the kit. They have been involved in the boating industry and their secret to making it work well is pre-mixing. They mix the expancell with only the resin premeasured and leave it set a minimum or 24 hours and up to 72 hours before using. At the time of use they add the hardener and a bit of expancell to get the desired consistency. They like it! Bob Berube Flight Crafters N166BB Conventional Gear ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Singleton" <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk> Subject: Europa-List: filler > --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk> > > At 23:56 31/10/2003 -0800, you wrote: > >Contrary to popular opinion I had trouble with the Polyfiber fairing > >stuff. It was probably my fault for not heating the mix but I found it > >hard to mix and it did not mix well so when I applied it there were > >globs that did not cure and I had to dig them out. I have used supplied > >epoxy/microballoon since and am happy with it. It takes a bit of > >practice to mix just right so it sticks and doesn't slump but it is not > >hard to do and I found it sands just fine. One does have to wait two to > >three days to sand but then it goes well. (And much less expensive...) > > I had trouble with some Superfill but it was very old and near the bottom > of the tin, probably resin/filler ratio was inaccurate due to settlement. > It is easier to use though. > I now use a very sharp wood plane to trim back the filler. Works > beautifully and takes very thin shavings off just like wood but in any > direction. I can start cutting back after an overnight cure too. Got that > tip from here, doesn't one of Bob's boys do it that way? > Graham > > > --- > >


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    Time: 07:20:52 PM PST US
    From: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
    Subject: Zolatone
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net> Hi All, I am planning to spray Zolatone on my interior and maybe in the future add some upholstery to parts of the inside. Some questions: Will an ordinary Campbell Hausfield sprayer nozzle be large enough? It is not a HVLP. If I decide to use a cement (similar to contact cement I suppose) to glue some carpet down will it disolve the paint underneath and come loose. If you have tried this let me know how it worked. Just trying to decide on a plan here. Maybe I should decide now about upholstery and not add it on top of paint later due to extra weight. I have also considered the "Fleckstone" that can be bought a DIY stores but I read or heard it's not as durable or cost effective. Comments? Thanks. Troy Maynor N120EU Mono/Classic


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    Time: 08:31:57 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Dynon EFIS
    From: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net> on 11/4/03 7:28 PM, Jim Butcher at europa@triton.net wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net> > > Dave, > > I've been following your thread. I've chosen to go with the BMA EFIS Lite. > It has GPS built in which solves problems that can crop up with the AHRS. > At this time only BMA has been approved by Lancair and it took quite a bit > of work on BMA's part to get the unit to pass their tests. > > Jim Butcher A185 > > > > > > Jim Do you know the web site for the BMA EFIS lite. Jeff A258 Tri


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    Time: 08:43:58 PM PST US
    From: DuaneFamly@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Dynon EFIS
    --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com Try <A HREF="http://www.bluemountainavionics.com">http://www.bluemountainavionics.com Mike Duane A207 Redding, California XS Conventional Gear


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    Time: 11:20:27 PM PST US
    From: "David DeFord" <davedeford@comcast.net>
    Subject: Zolatone
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "David DeFord" <davedeford@comcast.net> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" > <wingnut54@charter.net> > > Hi All, > I am planning to spray Zolatone on my interior and maybe in > the future add some upholstery to parts of the inside. Some questions: > > Will an ordinary Campbell Hausfield sprayer nozzle be large > enough? It is not a HVLP. > > If I decide to use a cement (similar to contact cement I > suppose) to glue some carpet down will it disolve the paint > underneath and come loose. If you have tried this let me know > how it worked. Troy, We bought an inexpensive gun from Sears that converts between the common siphon feed/external mix setup and the pressure feed/internal mix that is recommended for Zolatone. This worked out very well. Zolatone is very forgiving in terms of runs and re-coating, but the overspray goes a lot farther than you might expect. We have upholstery glued over the edges of the Zolatone in many places, without any softening of the paint. This stuff goes on easily, hides everything it touches, and is very tough. Dave DeFord N135TD




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