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1. 12:19 AM - Drill fiberglass with little cracking (Ronald J. Parigoris)
2. 05:59 AM - Re: Re:Dynon EFIS (STOUT, GARRY V, CSFF2)
3. 07:22 AM - Re: Rotax Turbo for sale on ebay (Dan Bish)
4. 07:39 AM - Re: Re:Dynon EFIS (DJA727@aol.com)
5. 11:09 AM - Re: Re:Dynon EFIS (bizzarro@easynet.co.uk)
6. 11:21 AM - Re: filler (bizzarro@easynet.co.uk)
7. 11:46 AM - Re: Re:Dynon EFIS (Rob Housman)
8. 12:01 PM - Re: Re:Dynon EFIS (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
9. 01:02 PM - Re: filler (Fergus Kyle)
10. 02:05 PM - Re: Re:Dynon EFIS (Fergus Kyle)
11. 02:41 PM - europa club website (Rowland Carson)
12. 02:58 PM - Re: Re:Dynon EFIS (Rob Housman)
13. 04:29 PM - Re: Dynon EFIS (Jim Butcher)
14. 06:30 PM - Re: Re:Dynon EFIS (n3eu@comcast.net)
15. 06:34 PM - Re: Re: Dynon EFIS (n3eu@comcast.net)
16. 06:40 PM - Re: filler (n3eu@comcast.net)
17. 06:42 PM - Re: filler (Robert Berube)
18. 07:20 PM - Zolatone (Troy Maynor)
19. 08:31 PM - Re: Re: Dynon EFIS (Jeff Roberts)
20. 08:43 PM - Re: Re: Dynon EFIS (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
21. 11:20 PM - Re: Zolatone (David DeFord)
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| Subject: | Drill fiberglass with little cracking |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
I broke down and purchased a set of 60 degree plastic/laminate/fiberglass drill
bits from
McMaster Carr. They perform on fiberglass as expected. almost no cracking, and
no
grabbing. They make pretty round holes close to size of bit. The secret is the
cutting
edge is 90 degrees. Works so nice.
In addition, when working on hinges, they are the perfect tool to drill centered
through
the fiberglass into and through the aluminium hinges.
Having such a sharp 60 degree angle centers things so nice.
Anyway for precision alignment, i use a 60 degree center drill to make a small
pilot
hole, then go at it with the 60 degree plastic/laminate/fiberglass bit.
End result is hole is a lot rounder, diameter is close to drill size, and position
of
hole after 2 passes is close to spot on.
I have 118 degree bits, and 135 degree split point jobbers bits. The 135 degree
is poor
for drilling out a smaller hole and keeping things centered. The 135 degree points
are
however do good for hard steel, or if using a drill press and you do not want to
use
multiple drill bits and just make 1 cut. For not too precision hole placements,
they work
OK in a hand drill.
For some reason McMaster does not have them in Catalogue near the drill bits, you
need to
look up in the index for location.
Ron Parigoris
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "STOUT, GARRY V, CSFF2" <garrys@att.com>
I would like to solicit the experience of others with the RC Allen
electric gyro horizon unit. I have over 300 hours on my Europa and
after the first 200 hours the RC Allen failed. I sent it to the factory
where I was charged $975 for an "overhaul". Upon reinstalling it, it
still didn't work properly. After about 10 minutes of use the horizon
begins to drift...........showing a bank angle when in fact the wings
are straight and level. If I "cage" the unit momentarily, that resets
the horizon properly and I'm good for 10 or 15 minutes, but then it
begins to drift again and I start the cage/reset process all over again.
This doesn't give one a good sense of security as when you're descending
through 5,000 feet of solid IMC weather you'd like to have confidence
that the horizon is operating properly. Like John Wigney, I am unable
to utilize a vacuum horizon as my accessory pad is taken up with the
hydraulic pump for the constant speed prop. What experience have others
had with the RC Allen? What alternative electric choices are available
out there?
Regards,
Garry V. Stout
A060, N4220S
From: John & Paddy Wigney <johnwigney@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Dynon EFIS
* I have approximately 200 hours time on my plane and for the first 150
hours I had an RC Allen electric gyro horizon. This unit was totally
unsatisfactory despite being sent back to the factory 3 times for
repair. After 5 minutes of flight, the horizon showed a descending left
bank while straight and level. Factory overhauls failed to fix the
problem, despite verification on my bench that the gyro appeared to be
OK.
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Turbo for sale on ebay |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish" <danbish@norwalktucson.com>
Easy come, easy go. Looks like they're suspended bidding for some reason. Sent
an email to find out why but haven't heard anything. And, yes, the bidding can
really go up at the end so it's anybody's guess what it might have gone for.
Thanks for letting us know about it. Looking forward to seeing your plane soon.
Got a voice msg from Rob the other day inviting me up but heard about the delay
due to the So. CA fires. Hopefully you'll be able to move forward soon as
I'm sure you're ready to get flying!
Dan
A144
Tucson
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
In a message dated 11/4/2003 6:00:21 AM Pacific Standard Time, garrys@att.com
writes:
>
> I would like to solicit the experience of others with the RC Allen
> electric gyro horizon unit. I have over 300 hours on my Europa and
> after the first 200 hours the RC Allen failed. I sent it to the factory
> where I was charged $975 for an "overhaul". Upon reinstalling it, it
> still didn't work properly. After about 10 minutes of use the horizon
> begins to drift...........showing a bank angle when in fact the wings
> are straight and level. If I "cage" the unit momentarily, that resets
> the horizon properly and I'm good for 10 or 15 minutes, but then it
> begins to drift again and I start the cage/reset process all over again.
> This doesn't give one a good sense of security as when you're descending
> through 5,000 feet of solid IMC weather you'd like to have confidence
> that the horizon is operating properly. Like John Wigney, I am unable
> to utilize a vacuum horizon as my accessory pad is taken up with the
> hydraulic pump for the constant speed prop. What experience have others
> had with the RC Allen? What alternative electric choices are available
> out there?
I have one in my twin comanche purchased new. It has worked perfectly for
years - no problems whatsoever. I think you have an issue with the overhaul
facility. There is no reason it should be behaving as you describe.
Dave
A227
Mini U2
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--> Europa-List message posted by: bizzarro@easynet.co.uk
Have you checked that the vacuum is sufficient to drive the unit? Check that
there isn't an issue with the pipework behind the panel being constricted in
some way. Just an idea!
Eddie
G-SELF Jabiru 3300 powered Europa Clasic
Quoting DJA727@aol.com:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 11/4/2003 6:00:21 AM Pacific Standard Time, garrys@att.com
>
> writes:
>
> >
> > I would like to solicit the experience of others with the RC Allen
> > electric gyro horizon unit. I have over 300 hours on my Europa and
> > after the first 200 hours the RC Allen failed. I sent it to the factory
> > where I was charged $975 for an "overhaul". Upon reinstalling it, it
> > still didn't work properly. After about 10 minutes of use the horizon
> > begins to drift...........showing a bank angle when in fact the wings
> > are straight and level. If I "cage" the unit momentarily, that resets
> > the horizon properly and I'm good for 10 or 15 minutes, but then it
> > begins to drift again and I start the cage/reset process all over again.
> > This doesn't give one a good sense of security as when you're descending
> > through 5,000 feet of solid IMC weather you'd like to have confidence
> > that the horizon is operating properly. Like John Wigney, I am unable
> > to utilize a vacuum horizon as my accessory pad is taken up with the
> > hydraulic pump for the constant speed prop. What experience have others
> > had with the RC Allen? What alternative electric choices are available
> > out there?
>
> I have one in my twin comanche purchased new. It has worked perfectly for
> years - no problems whatsoever. I think you have an issue with the overhaul
> facility. There is no reason it should be behaving as you describe.
>
> Dave
> A227
> Mini U2
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: bizzarro@easynet.co.uk
We too had problems with uncured superfill. The Blue stuff was very dry in the
first 2 pots we had. This made up the areas that we had to dig out. Quite alot
on our wings actually. The problem was kind of half recognised by Polyfiber. I
was told that there was a problem with some batches of blue being too dry but
that that would not cause the stuff to refuse to set! I am not so sure about
that.
The newer batches are fine.
I too have tried the microbaloons that came with the kit, but found that it was
a real bas***d to apply and sand. I would still go with Polyfiber even after
the problems that I had with a couple of pots. It just sands so well!
Eddie
Quoting Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton
> <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
>
> At 23:56 31/10/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> >Contrary to popular opinion I had trouble with the Polyfiber fairing
> >stuff. It was probably my fault for not heating the mix but I found it
> >hard to mix and it did not mix well so when I applied it there were
> >globs that did not cure and I had to dig them out. I have used supplied
> >epoxy/microballoon since and am happy with it. It takes a bit of
> >practice to mix just right so it sticks and doesn't slump but it is not
> >hard to do and I found it sands just fine. One does have to wait two to
> >three days to sand but then it goes well. (And much less expensive...)
>
> I had trouble with some Superfill but it was very old and near the bottom
> of the tin, probably resin/filler ratio was inaccurate due to settlement.
> It is easier to use though.
> I now use a very sharp wood plane to trim back the filler. Works
> beautifully and takes very thin shavings off just like wood but in any
> direction. I can start cutting back after an overnight cure too. Got that
> tip from here, doesn't one of Bob's boys do it that way?
> Graham
>
>
> ---
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
Um, er, well, er . . . . OK, I'll have to be blunt - he said it was an
ELECTRIC gyro.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
bizzarro@easynet.co.uk
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re:Dynon EFIS
--> Europa-List message posted by: bizzarro@easynet.co.uk
Have you checked that the vacuum is sufficient to drive the unit? Check that
there isn't an issue with the pipework behind the panel being constricted in
some way. Just an idea!
Eddie
G-SELF Jabiru 3300 powered Europa Clasic
Quoting DJA727@aol.com:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 11/4/2003 6:00:21 AM Pacific Standard Time,
garrys@att.com
>
> writes:
>
> >
> > I would like to solicit the experience of others with the RC Allen
> > electric gyro horizon unit. I have over 300 hours on my Europa and
> > after the first 200 hours the RC Allen failed. I sent it to the factory
> > where I was charged $975 for an "overhaul". Upon reinstalling it, it
> > still didn't work properly. After about 10 minutes of use the horizon
> > begins to drift...........showing a bank angle when in fact the wings
> > are straight and level. If I "cage" the unit momentarily, that resets
> > the horizon properly and I'm good for 10 or 15 minutes, but then it
> > begins to drift again and I start the cage/reset process all over again.
> > This doesn't give one a good sense of security as when you're descending
> > through 5,000 feet of solid IMC weather you'd like to have confidence
> > that the horizon is operating properly. Like John Wigney, I am unable
> > to utilize a vacuum horizon as my accessory pad is taken up with the
> > hydraulic pump for the constant speed prop. What experience have others
> > had with the RC Allen? What alternative electric choices are available
> > out there?
>
> I have one in my twin comanche purchased new. It has worked perfectly for
> years - no problems whatsoever. I think you have an issue with the
overhaul
> facility. There is no reason it should be behaving as you describe.
>
> Dave
> A227
> Mini U2
>
>
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11/04/2003 03:00:45 PM,
Serialize complete at 11/04/2003 03:00:45 PM
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
Eddie,
He did note that he was talking about the electric drive version.
There have been many complaints on the web about this device
Maybe it is a conspiracy, maybe the product is a poor excuse for
an aviation qualified gyro. Many also complain it comes with no
documents.
Ira N224XS
bizzarro@easynet.co.uk
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11/04/03 02:08 PM
Please respond to europa-list
To: europa-list@matronics.com, DJA727@aol.com
cc:
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re:Dynon EFIS
--> Europa-List message posted by: bizzarro@easynet.co.uk
Have you checked that the vacuum is sufficient to drive the unit? Check
that
there isn't an issue with the pipework behind the panel being constricted
in
some way. Just an idea!
Eddie
G-SELF Jabiru 3300 powered Europa Clasic
Quoting DJA727@aol.com:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 11/4/2003 6:00:21 AM Pacific Standard Time,
garrys@att.com
>
> writes:
>
> >
> > I would like to solicit the experience of others with the RC Allen
> > electric gyro horizon unit. I have over 300 hours on my Europa and
> > after the first 200 hours the RC Allen failed. I sent it to the
factory
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
| I too have tried the microbaloons that came with the kit, but found that
it was
| a real bas***d to apply and sand. I would still go with Polyfiber even
after
| the problems that I had with a couple of pots. It just sands so well!
| Eddie
Cheers,
I had trouble with the Europa filler, until I coated (ever so
lightly) the required area with the finest touch of epoxy to 'dampen' it.
Waited a few minutes and the filler stuck like ............. Easy to sand
and easy to clean.
Ferg
A064 mono
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re:Dynon EFIS
| --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
|
| Um, er, well, er . . . . OK, I'll have to be blunt - he said it was an
| ELECTRIC gyro.
|
|
| Best regards,
|
| Rob Housman
| Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
| Airframe complete
| Irvine, CA
Rob,
My Lord. you're incredibly preceptive...............and blunt.
Cheers, Ferg|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
| [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
| bizzarro@easynet.co.uk
| To: europa-list@matronics.com; DJA727@aol.com
| Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re:Dynon EFIS
|
| --> Europa-List message posted by: bizzarro@easynet.co.uk
|
| Have you checked that the vacuum is sufficient to drive the unit? Check
that
| there isn't an issue with the pipework behind the panel being constricted
in
| some way. Just an idea!
|
| Eddie
|
| G-SELF Jabiru 3300 powered Europa Clasic
|
| Quoting DJA727@aol.com:
|
| > --> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
| >
| > In a message dated 11/4/2003 6:00:21 AM Pacific Standard Time,
| garrys@att.com
| >
| > writes:
| >
| > >
| > > I would like to solicit the experience of others with the RC Allen
| > > electric gyro horizon unit. I have over 300 hours on my Europa and
| > > after the first 200 hours the RC Allen failed. I sent it to the
factory
| > > where I was charged $975 for an "overhaul". Upon reinstalling it, it
| > > still didn't work properly. After about 10 minutes of use the horizon
| > > begins to drift...........showing a bank angle when in fact the wings
| > > are straight and level. If I "cage" the unit momentarily, that resets
| > > the horizon properly and I'm good for 10 or 15 minutes, but then it
| > > begins to drift again and I start the cage/reset process all over agai
n.
| > > This doesn't give one a good sense of security as when you're
descending
| > > through 5,000 feet of solid IMC weather you'd like to have confidence
| > > that the horizon is operating properly. Like John Wigney, I am unable
| > > to utilize a vacuum horizon as my accessory pad is taken up with the
| > > hydraulic pump for the constant speed prop. What experience have
others
| > > had with the RC Allen? What alternative electric choices are
available
| > > out there?
| >
| > I have one in my twin comanche purchased new. It has worked perfectly
for
| > years - no problems whatsoever. I think you have an issue with the
| overhaul
| > facility. There is no reason it should be behaving as you describe.
| >
| > Dave
| > A227
| > Mini U2
| >
| >
|
|
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| Subject: | europa club website |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
It seems we have some problems with the host machine at the Europa
Club website. If anyone is having trouble viewing pages or
navigating, please be patient for a day or two while we try to get it
sorted out.
regards
Rowland
--
| Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary
| Europa 435 G-ROWI (650 hours building) PFA #16532
| e-mail <memsec@europaclub.org.uk> website <www.europaclub.org.uk>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
Well, Ferg, I tried to be subtle ... but even after living almost four
decades in SoCal I still sometimes revert to certain traits learned in my
native NYC. As those I left behind would say...You got a problem wid dat?
;-)
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fergus Kyle
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re:Dynon EFIS
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re:Dynon EFIS
| --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
|
| Um, er, well, er . . . . OK, I'll have to be blunt - he said it was an
| ELECTRIC gyro.
|
|
| Best regards,
|
| Rob Housman
| Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
| Airframe complete
| Irvine, CA
Rob,
My Lord. you're incredibly preceptive...............and blunt.
Cheers, Ferg|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
| [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
| bizzarro@easynet.co.uk
| To: europa-list@matronics.com; DJA727@aol.com
| Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re:Dynon EFIS
|
| --> Europa-List message posted by: bizzarro@easynet.co.uk
|
| Have you checked that the vacuum is sufficient to drive the unit? Check
that
| there isn't an issue with the pipework behind the panel being constricted
in
| some way. Just an idea!
|
| Eddie
|
| G-SELF Jabiru 3300 powered Europa Clasic
|
| Quoting DJA727@aol.com:
|
| > --> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
| >
| > In a message dated 11/4/2003 6:00:21 AM Pacific Standard Time,
| garrys@att.com
| >
| > writes:
| >
| > >
| > > I would like to solicit the experience of others with the RC Allen
| > > electric gyro horizon unit. I have over 300 hours on my Europa and
| > > after the first 200 hours the RC Allen failed. I sent it to the
factory
| > > where I was charged $975 for an "overhaul". Upon reinstalling it, it
| > > still didn't work properly. After about 10 minutes of use the horizon
| > > begins to drift...........showing a bank angle when in fact the wings
| > > are straight and level. If I "cage" the unit momentarily, that resets
| > > the horizon properly and I'm good for 10 or 15 minutes, but then it
| > > begins to drift again and I start the cage/reset process all over agai
n.
| > > This doesn't give one a good sense of security as when you're
descending
| > > through 5,000 feet of solid IMC weather you'd like to have confidence
| > > that the horizon is operating properly. Like John Wigney, I am unable
| > > to utilize a vacuum horizon as my accessory pad is taken up with the
| > > hydraulic pump for the constant speed prop. What experience have
others
| > > had with the RC Allen? What alternative electric choices are
available
| > > out there?
| >
| > I have one in my twin comanche purchased new. It has worked perfectly
for
| > years - no problems whatsoever. I think you have an issue with the
| overhaul
| > facility. There is no reason it should be behaving as you describe.
| >
| > Dave
| > A227
| > Mini U2
| >
| >
|
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
Dave,
I've been following your thread. I've chosen to go with the BMA EFIS Lite.
It has GPS built in which solves problems that can crop up with the AHRS.
At this time only BMA has been approved by Lancair and it took quite a bit
of work on BMA's part to get the unit to pass their tests.
Jim Butcher A185
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--> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
Re - various comments about RC Allen electrics:
The instrument shop from whom I bought the RC Allen Electrics said their
overall experience with them has been very good.
They do not field-repair them, but send them to RC Allen; I think I
understand the reasons. Anyway, that makes it very expensive. They can
charge whatever they want for repair if few shops will open them up and there's
little direct competition (for electric gyros approved for type-certificated
aircraft). The entire industry here has been in trouble for many years. The
owner of the shop told me she hears of shops for sale that can't attract a buyer
beyond bargain sales price, i.e., liquidation value of the shop equipment.
Further evidence is at Aircraft Spruce's catalog price, profit per gyro could
be about $50.
Her A&P/IA husband works for her and told me shipping box materials are
critical for any gyro. E.g., styrofoam peanuts bad. By extension, the way a builder
(mis)handles 'em is important also.
Regards,
Fred F.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
> I've been following your thread. I've chosen to go with the BMA EFIS Lite.
> It has GPS built in which solves problems that can crop up with the AHRS.
> At this time only BMA has been approved by Lancair and it took quite a bit
> of work on BMA's part to get the unit to pass their tests.
>
> Jim Butcher A185
The deal is between BMA and Lancair Avionics, not Lancair Aircraft. Can't tell
from Lancair's web site that it's an option on their certified aircraft. Of
course, a web site which misspells "dual" and "warranty" might be incomplete.
:-) Do you know if a certificated-Lancair owner must retain the mechanical gyros?
One panel snapshot of the 400 looks like backup via an RC Allen electric,
BTW!
Reason I'm curious is FAA's Advisory Circular on certifying planes for IFR with
electronic systems suggests it's very difficult w/o dual systems or conventional
backup.
Regards,
Fred F.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
raham Singleton wrote:
>
> I had trouble with some Superfill but it was very old and near the bottom
> of the tin, probably resin/filler ratio was inaccurate due to settlement.
> It is easier to use though.
I noticed that too, but learned to always stir the tan stuff before use. Else you
can also store the tan jug upside down periodically.
I went through cumulatively 4 gallons of the stuff - old Europa wings finished
to dial indicator accuracy per Bob Arnold's tape. Toward the end, especially for
small batches, I just eyed blobs for 2:1 ratio, while always noting apparent
2:1 remaining in the containers. Never once had a cure or other problem. Even
tried thinning with alcohol -- scraping a surface down and reapplying it a
couple times dries it out but good. That worked(!), though not recommended.
So did some drops of mixed epoxy finishing resin from the hobby shop. Found SuperFil
is very forgiving stuff.
Regards,
Fred F.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
The commercial shop that we use at Flight Crafters for filling likes the
Expancell supplied with the kit. They have been involved in the boating
industry and their secret to making it work well is pre-mixing. They mix
the expancell with only the resin premeasured and leave it set a minimum or
24 hours and up to 72 hours before using. At the time of use they add the
hardener and a bit of expancell to get the desired consistency. They like
it!
Bob Berube
Flight Crafters
N166BB Conventional Gear
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Singleton" <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: filler
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton
<graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
>
> At 23:56 31/10/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> >Contrary to popular opinion I had trouble with the Polyfiber fairing
> >stuff. It was probably my fault for not heating the mix but I found it
> >hard to mix and it did not mix well so when I applied it there were
> >globs that did not cure and I had to dig them out. I have used supplied
> >epoxy/microballoon since and am happy with it. It takes a bit of
> >practice to mix just right so it sticks and doesn't slump but it is not
> >hard to do and I found it sands just fine. One does have to wait two to
> >three days to sand but then it goes well. (And much less expensive...)
>
> I had trouble with some Superfill but it was very old and near the bottom
> of the tin, probably resin/filler ratio was inaccurate due to settlement.
> It is easier to use though.
> I now use a very sharp wood plane to trim back the filler. Works
> beautifully and takes very thin shavings off just like wood but in any
> direction. I can start cutting back after an overnight cure too. Got that
> tip from here, doesn't one of Bob's boys do it that way?
> Graham
>
>
> ---
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
Hi All,
I am planning to spray Zolatone on my interior and maybe in the future add
some upholstery to parts of the inside. Some questions:
Will an ordinary Campbell Hausfield sprayer nozzle be large enough? It is
not a HVLP.
If I decide to use a cement (similar to contact cement I suppose) to glue
some carpet down will it disolve the paint underneath and come loose. If you
have tried this let me know how it worked.
Just trying to decide on a plan here. Maybe I should decide now about
upholstery and not add it on top of paint later due to extra weight. I have
also considered the "Fleckstone" that can be bought a DIY stores but I read
or heard it's not as durable or cost effective. Comments?
Thanks.
Troy Maynor N120EU Mono/Classic
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 11/4/03 7:28 PM, Jim Butcher at europa@triton.net wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
>
> Dave,
>
> I've been following your thread. I've chosen to go with the BMA EFIS Lite.
> It has GPS built in which solves problems that can crop up with the AHRS.
> At this time only BMA has been approved by Lancair and it took quite a bit
> of work on BMA's part to get the unit to pass their tests.
>
> Jim Butcher A185
>
>
>
>
>
>
Jim
Do you know the web site for the BMA EFIS lite.
Jeff
A258 Tri
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Try
<A HREF="http://www.bluemountainavionics.com">http://www.bluemountainavionics.com
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "David DeFord" <davedeford@comcast.net>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor"
> <wingnut54@charter.net>
>
> Hi All,
> I am planning to spray Zolatone on my interior and maybe in
> the future add some upholstery to parts of the inside. Some questions:
>
> Will an ordinary Campbell Hausfield sprayer nozzle be large
> enough? It is not a HVLP.
>
> If I decide to use a cement (similar to contact cement I
> suppose) to glue some carpet down will it disolve the paint
> underneath and come loose. If you have tried this let me know
> how it worked.
Troy,
We bought an inexpensive gun from Sears that converts between the common
siphon feed/external mix setup and the pressure feed/internal mix that is
recommended for Zolatone. This worked out very well. Zolatone is very
forgiving in terms of runs and re-coating, but the overspray goes a lot
farther than you might expect.
We have upholstery glued over the edges of the Zolatone in many places,
without any softening of the paint. This stuff goes on easily, hides
everything it touches, and is very tough.
Dave DeFord
N135TD
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