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1. 01:21 AM - Re: Filler (Peter Austin)
2. 01:57 AM - Benwick FM 1053 fuel computor. (Colin John Howard Richardson)
3. 02:31 AM - Re: Benwick FM 1053 fuel computor. (Colin John Howard Richardson)
4. 03:02 AM - Classic closed trailer for sale (Mike Cater)
5. 05:11 AM - Instruments for Sale (Lenleg@aol.com)
6. 08:43 AM - Re: Benwick FM 1053 fuel computor. (Carl & Dot)
7. 10:32 AM - Kit Planes magazine (david.corbett)
8. 10:45 AM - Re: Andair (Jeremy Davey)
9. 10:45 AM - Re: filler (Jeremy Davey)
10. 11:51 AM - buying a built XS (Dj Merrill)
11. 12:04 PM - Re: filler (Ami McFadyean)
12. 03:12 PM - Re: Kit Planes magazine (Rowland Carson)
13. 04:06 PM - Re: Kit Planes magazine (John & Amy Eckel)
14. 04:20 PM - Re: filler (John & Amy Eckel)
15. 04:23 PM - Re: buying a built XS (John & Amy Eckel)
16. 05:58 PM - Re: filler (Paul McAllister)
17. 06:02 PM - Re: filler (Rob Housman)
18. 06:47 PM - Re: filler (John & Amy Eckel)
19. 07:46 PM - Re: filler (Paul McAllister)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Austin" <austins@zip.co.nz>
> >> We too had problems with uncured superfill.
There is a product put out by "International" under the heading of
"Epiglass" called Microsmooth, a two part filling and fairing cream. Used
extensively on the multimillion dollar yachts etc getting built round the
place, sticks equally well to aluminium or fibreglass easy to work and great
to sand.
Peter #198.
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| Subject: | Benwick FM 1053 fuel computor. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Colin John Howard Richardson" <cjh.richardson@virgin.net>
Does anyone know the part number or a supplier of the FLOW SENSOR used by the Benwick
FM 1053 fuel computor. Benwick Electronics appear to be uncontactable at
their phone number in Wimblington, Cambridgeshire, UK.
regards
John Richardson.
G-BXGG No 178.
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| Subject: | Re: Benwick FM 1053 fuel computor. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Colin John Howard Richardson" <cjh.richardson@virgin.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Colin John Howard Richardson" <cjh.richardson@virgin.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Benwick FM 1053 fuel computor.
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Colin John Howard Richardson"
<cjh.richardson@virgin.net>
>
> Does anyone know the part number or a supplier of the FLOW SENSOR used by
the Benwick FM 1053 fuel computor. Benwick Electronics appear to be
uncontactable at their phone number in Wimblington, Cambridgeshire, UK.
>
> regards
>
> John Richardson.
> G-BXGG No 178.
>
>
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| Subject: | Classic closed trailer for sale |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Cater" <mike.cater@btopenworld.com>
Hello,
Having recently sold our beautiful Europa Classic to a new owner with hangar space,
we are looking to sell our closed metal, twin axle, hangar/trailer.
It comes complete with all the fittings for easy one man "rigging and derigging
from the box". Open the trailer and be ready to fly in about 20 minutes.
Please drop me a line for further details.
Regards,
Mike Cater
PS Based in Leicestershire by the way!
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| Subject: | Instruments for Sale |
pietenpol-list@matronics.com, commander-list@matronics.com,
aerobatic-list@matronics.com, europa-list@matronics.com
--> Europa-List message posted by: Lenleg@aol.com
I have the following for sale:
RC Allen Electric Attitude Indicator with 8 degree tilt, 14V, approx. 75hrs
RC Allen Electric Direction Gyro, 14V, 150 hrs,
Both instruments are in my RV-8A still flying. Been flying in my plane for 1
year.
Instruments retail for $1895 each. Make an offer off list. Please respond
direct to: lenleg@aol.com
Len Leggette, RV-8A
Greensboro, NC N910LL
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| Subject: | Re: Benwick FM 1053 fuel computor. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Carl & Dot" <carl_p@ntlworld.com>
The flow sensor that Benwick uses is a RS part.
http://rswww.com/
Mine used to have the part number stuck to it but I am sure it has dropped
off. You should be able to search their web site anyway or perhaps someone
else knows the part number.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Colin John Howard Richardson" <cjh.richardson@virgin.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Benwick FM 1053 fuel computor.
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Colin John Howard Richardson"
<cjh.richardson@virgin.net>
>
> Does anyone know the part number or a supplier of the FLOW SENSOR used by
the Benwick FM 1053 fuel computor. Benwick Electronics appear to be
uncontactable at their phone number in Wimblington, Cambridgeshire, UK.
>
> regards
>
> John Richardson.
> G-BXGG No 178.
>
>
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| Subject: | Kit Planes magazine |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "david.corbett" <david.corbett@fwi.co.uk>
Re the article about Mini U2 in Kit Planes, mentioned yesterday.
I assume this is a US of A magazine - or can we get it in UK? Or - is it on a website?
David
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
I just wanted to follow up on this one, as I didn't want anyone to think
Andair have a problem with customer service. I did manage to get hold of
Owen again and all got very speedily resolved - I'm a very happy customer
once again. I've put this one down to just a glitch.
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Davey
Subject: Europa-List: Andair
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey"
<jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
Has anyone on the Forum ever bought anything from Andair directly then
needed some further assistance from them? I bought a fuel valve from them
(and they aren't cheap!) but they sent me the wrong front plate (the Europa
needs a flat one due to the thickness of bulkhead) and the wrong connectors
for the fuel lines.
The initial service from Andair was excellent. When I've got Owen on the
phone he's been very good, too, and has promised me the correct plate and
connectors, but he isn't getting around to it with any speed. I'm left
thinking that you only get service when you're spending money, not when
things go wrong - which is not what I would expect when buying a
premium-priced product.
Is this what people normally see in service from him? Or is my case unusual?
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
Interesting - Neville and co at the factory are absolutely adamant that
resin and hardener should be well mixed before adding flox, microballoons,
etc. The reason is that the additive might soak up resin or hardener and
prevent a good mix being achieved.
Nev, if you're listening, any thoughts on this?
Has anyone who's used Expancel correctly done any experiments to work out
the ideal ratio of filler to resin by weight?
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Berube
Subject: Re: Europa-List: filler
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
The commercial shop that we use at Flight Crafters for filling likes the
Expancell supplied with the kit. They have been involved in the boating
industry and their secret to making it work well is pre-mixing. They mix
the expancell with only the resin premeasured and leave it set a minimum or
24 hours and up to 72 hours before using. At the time of use they add the
hardener and a bit of expancell to get the desired consistency. They like
it!
Bob Berube
Flight Crafters
N166BB Conventional Gear
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Singleton" <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: filler
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton
<graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
>
> At 23:56 31/10/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> >Contrary to popular opinion I had trouble with the Polyfiber fairing
> >stuff. It was probably my fault for not heating the mix but I found it
> >hard to mix and it did not mix well so when I applied it there were
> >globs that did not cure and I had to dig them out. I have used supplied
> >epoxy/microballoon since and am happy with it. It takes a bit of
> >practice to mix just right so it sticks and doesn't slump but it is not
> >hard to do and I found it sands just fine. One does have to wait two to
> >three days to sand but then it goes well. (And much less expensive...)
>
> I had trouble with some Superfill but it was very old and near the bottom
> of the tin, probably resin/filler ratio was inaccurate due to settlement.
> It is easier to use though.
> I now use a very sharp wood plane to trim back the filler. Works
> beautifully and takes very thin shavings off just like wood but in any
> direction. I can start cutting back after an overnight cure too. Got that
> tip from here, doesn't one of Bob's boys do it that way?
> Graham
>
>
> ---
>
>
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| Subject: | buying a built XS |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
Hi all,
I am considering the purchase of a pre-built and
currently flying Europa XS. I was curious if there are
any "gotchas" I should look out for, and if you have any idea what
kind of support I might expect from the company and possibly
builders/owners here in the US (northeast).
Any comments or suggestions are welcome.
Thanks,
-Dj
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it said 'Requires Windows 95 or better'. So I installed Linux."
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
---- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Davey" <jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
> Has anyone who's used Expancel correctly done any experiments to work out
> the ideal ratio of filler to resin by weight?
>
Depends how much of a struggle you want to accept in putting on a
lightweight filler, or struggle in sanding-off a heavy weight filler.
The other problem with lightweight filler (ie the stuff made with Expancel)
is that it marks very easily (and permanently) in service. I wouldn't do
mine so light again.
A tip for mixing hte lightweight option is to pound it vigorously for
several minutes. There comes a point when the mix goes from appearing too
dry to a plastic putty-like consistency, which is much easier to spread. The
addition of fume silica helps this greatly. Let me know if you're interested
in the ratios I used (which might answer your original question!).
Duncan McF.
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| Subject: | Re: Kit Planes magazine |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
On 2003 11 06 at 17:58 +0000, david.corbett wrote:
>Kit Planes, mentioned yesterday.
>
>I assume this is a US of A magazine - or can we get it in UK? Or -
>is it on a website?
David - yes to all three. I subscribe and you're welcome to have a
look through my back numbers for the last year or so. There is also a
website at (surprise, surprise) <http://www.kitplanes.com/> whre you
can subscribe online if I remember right. My feeling is that it's
much better value for UK people than a subscription to EAA.
regards
Rowland
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| 650 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI
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| Subject: | Re: Kit Planes magazine |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
Forgive me, Kit Planes is a US of A magazine.
Don't know if is available in UK. The web site is
www.kitplanes.com
The December issue is not up yet, but it does not look like
they run the articles on the web site.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "david.corbett" <david.corbett@fwi.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Kit Planes magazine
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "david.corbett"
<david.corbett@fwi.co.uk>
>
> Re the article about Mini U2 in Kit Planes, mentioned yesterday.
>
> I assume this is a US of A magazine - or can we get it in UK? Or - is it
on a website?
>
> David
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
Jeremy,
Although I am not up to using expancel yet I agree with Neville and Co. that
mixing the epoxy before adding filler is a very good idea.
I asked Neville if there was a recommend weight ratio to the expancel and he
said to mix it until it is like bread dough, then apply a very light coating
of epoxy
to the surface and put the mixture on about a 1/4 inch thick ( 6 mm). This
way a second coating should not have to be applied. It is good to avoid a
second coat because if the hardness is different, which it will be, it will
show
up in the finished product. He said it will sand like balsa wood. I plan
to
experiment with my practice rudder. I have a practice one because I was
lucky enough to build a second one.
I do plan to work out an epoxy to expancel ratio.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Davey" <jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: filler
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey"
<jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
>
> Interesting - Neville and co at the factory are absolutely adamant that
> resin and hardener should be well mixed before adding flox, microballoons,
> etc. The reason is that the additive might soak up resin or hardener and
> prevent a good mix being achieved.
>
> Nev, if you're listening, any thoughts on this?
>
> Has anyone who's used Expancel correctly done any experiments to work out
> the ideal ratio of filler to resin by weight?
>
> Cheers,
> Jeremy
>
> Jeremy Davey
>
> Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Berube
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: filler
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube"
<bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
>
> The commercial shop that we use at Flight Crafters for filling likes the
> Expancell supplied with the kit. They have been involved in the boating
> industry and their secret to making it work well is pre-mixing. They mix
> the expancell with only the resin premeasured and leave it set a minimum
or
> 24 hours and up to 72 hours before using. At the time of use they add the
> hardener and a bit of expancell to get the desired consistency. They like
> it!
>
> Bob Berube
> Flight Crafters
> N166BB Conventional Gear
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Graham Singleton" <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: filler
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton
> <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
> >
> > At 23:56 31/10/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> > >Contrary to popular opinion I had trouble with the Polyfiber fairing
> > >stuff. It was probably my fault for not heating the mix but I found it
> > >hard to mix and it did not mix well so when I applied it there were
> > >globs that did not cure and I had to dig them out. I have used
supplied
> > >epoxy/microballoon since and am happy with it. It takes a bit of
> > >practice to mix just right so it sticks and doesn't slump but it is not
> > >hard to do and I found it sands just fine. One does have to wait two
to
> > >three days to sand but then it goes well. (And much less expensive...)
> >
> > I had trouble with some Superfill but it was very old and near the
bottom
> > of the tin, probably resin/filler ratio was inaccurate due to
settlement.
> > It is easier to use though.
> > I now use a very sharp wood plane to trim back the filler. Works
> > beautifully and takes very thin shavings off just like wood but in any
> > direction. I can start cutting back after an overnight cure too. Got
that
> > tip from here, doesn't one of Bob's boys do it that way?
> > Graham
> >
> >
> > ---
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: buying a built XS |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
Hi Dj,
Don't know what support the factory will give you, but I would be
glad to help. I am in New Jersey, where are you.
Currently getting cockpit module ready to install.
John, A230
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dj Merrill" <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
Subject: Europa-List: buying a built XS
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
>
> Hi all,
> I am considering the purchase of a pre-built and
> currently flying Europa XS. I was curious if there are
> any "gotchas" I should look out for, and if you have any idea what
> kind of support I might expect from the company and possibly
> builders/owners here in the US (northeast).
> Any comments or suggestions are welcome.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Dj
>
> --
>
> "On the side of the software box, in the 'System Requirements' section,
> it said 'Requires Windows 95 or better'. So I installed Linux."
> -Anonymous
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi All,
I thought I would share my experiences with filler, for what it was worth.
I did about half my project with expand cell and the other half with
Superfill. I took Nev's advice and mixed the stuff up pretty dry. I put a
light smear of epoxy on them applied the filler. I generally found that it
sanded okay, but could never really get to apply it thin enough. If you
want to cut it back with a wood working plane it comes off pretty quick
anyway. I did find that when I sanded it seemed to have a thin top skin to
it that was harder to sand, but I might have been imagining it. I also
added silica to it, but I never tried it without so I can't say how helpful
it was.
Why did I change ?, well I was using West Systems epoxy for mixing with the
filler and it would make me cough as soon as I entered the workshop, even
days after so I figured it wasn't doing me any good. I gave Superfill a
shot and to be honest this stuff is terrific (expensive too). The trick
with the stuff is to mix it with some light heat. I found if I did that I
could get it to mix really easily. The batch to batch consistency was good
as well. The other thing was if you apply it with some gentle heat it went
on really nicely, I found I could taper off to the finest edge with was
very helpful around the root fairings and the seams in the wing panels. At
the end of the day if you can afford the Superfill then that's what I would
use.
Paul
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <robh@hyperion-ef.com>
1/4 inch (6mm) thick??? Surely you jest.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John & Amy Eckel
Subject: Re: Europa-List: filler
--> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
Jeremy,
Although I am not up to using expancel yet I agree with Neville and Co. that
mixing the epoxy before adding filler is a very good idea.
I asked Neville if there was a recommend weight ratio to the expancel and he
said to mix it until it is like bread dough, then apply a very light coating
of epoxy
to the surface and put the mixture on about a 1/4 inch thick ( 6 mm). This
way a second coating should not have to be applied. It is good to avoid a
second coat because if the hardness is different, which it will be, it will
show
up in the finished product. He said it will sand like balsa wood. I plan
to
experiment with my practice rudder. I have a practice one because I was
lucky enough to build a second one.
I do plan to work out an epoxy to expancel ratio.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Davey" <jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: filler
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey"
<jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
>
> Interesting - Neville and co at the factory are absolutely adamant that
> resin and hardener should be well mixed before adding flox, microballoons,
> etc. The reason is that the additive might soak up resin or hardener and
> prevent a good mix being achieved.
>
> Nev, if you're listening, any thoughts on this?
>
> Has anyone who's used Expancel correctly done any experiments to work out
> the ideal ratio of filler to resin by weight?
>
> Cheers,
> Jeremy
>
> Jeremy Davey
>
> Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Berube
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: filler
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube"
<bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
>
> The commercial shop that we use at Flight Crafters for filling likes the
> Expancell supplied with the kit. They have been involved in the boating
> industry and their secret to making it work well is pre-mixing. They mix
> the expancell with only the resin premeasured and leave it set a minimum
or
> 24 hours and up to 72 hours before using. At the time of use they add the
> hardener and a bit of expancell to get the desired consistency. They like
> it!
>
> Bob Berube
> Flight Crafters
> N166BB Conventional Gear
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Graham Singleton" <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: filler
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton
> <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
> >
> > At 23:56 31/10/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> > >Contrary to popular opinion I had trouble with the Polyfiber fairing
> > >stuff. It was probably my fault for not heating the mix but I found it
> > >hard to mix and it did not mix well so when I applied it there were
> > >globs that did not cure and I had to dig them out. I have used
supplied
> > >epoxy/microballoon since and am happy with it. It takes a bit of
> > >practice to mix just right so it sticks and doesn't slump but it is not
> > >hard to do and I found it sands just fine. One does have to wait two
to
> > >three days to sand but then it goes well. (And much less expensive...)
> >
> > I had trouble with some Superfill but it was very old and near the
bottom
> > of the tin, probably resin/filler ratio was inaccurate due to
settlement.
> > It is easier to use though.
> > I now use a very sharp wood plane to trim back the filler. Works
> > beautifully and takes very thin shavings off just like wood but in any
> > direction. I can start cutting back after an overnight cure too. Got
that
> > tip from here, doesn't one of Bob's boys do it that way?
> > Graham
> >
> >
> > ---
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
I had the same reaction, I am just quoting Neville as I remember it.
It would use a lot of filler, but you would likely never need a second
application.
do not archive
Subject: RE: Europa-List: filler
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <robh@hyperion-ef.com>
>
> 1/4 inch (6mm) thick??? Surely you jest.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rob Housman
> A070
> Airframe complete
> Irvine, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John & Amy
Eckel
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: filler
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
>
> Jeremy,
> Although I am not up to using expancel yet I agree with Neville and Co.
that
> mixing the epoxy before adding filler is a very good idea.
> I asked Neville if there was a recommend weight ratio to the expancel and
he
> said to mix it until it is like bread dough, then apply a very light
coating
> of epoxy
> to the surface and put the mixture on about a 1/4 inch thick ( 6 mm).
This
> way a second coating should not have to be applied. It is good to avoid a
> second coat because if the hardness is different, which it will be, it
will
> show
> up in the finished product. He said it will sand like balsa wood. I plan
> to
> experiment with my practice rudder. I have a practice one because I was
> lucky enough to build a second one.
> I do plan to work out an epoxy to expancel ratio.
>
> John
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeremy Davey" <jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: filler
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey"
> <jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
> >
> > Interesting - Neville and co at the factory are absolutely adamant that
> > resin and hardener should be well mixed before adding flox,
microballoons,
> > etc. The reason is that the additive might soak up resin or hardener and
> > prevent a good mix being achieved.
> >
> > Nev, if you're listening, any thoughts on this?
> >
> > Has anyone who's used Expancel correctly done any experiments to work
out
> > the ideal ratio of filler to resin by weight?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jeremy
> >
> > Jeremy Davey
> >
> > Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Berube
> > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: filler
> >
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube"
> <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
> >
> > The commercial shop that we use at Flight Crafters for filling likes the
> > Expancell supplied with the kit. They have been involved in the boating
> > industry and their secret to making it work well is pre-mixing. They
mix
> > the expancell with only the resin premeasured and leave it set a minimum
> or
> > 24 hours and up to 72 hours before using. At the time of use they add
the
> > hardener and a bit of expancell to get the desired consistency. They
like
> > it!
> >
> > Bob Berube
> > Flight Crafters
> > N166BB Conventional Gear
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Graham Singleton" <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Europa-List: filler
> >
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton
> > <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
> > >
> > > At 23:56 31/10/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> > > >Contrary to popular opinion I had trouble with the Polyfiber fairing
> > > >stuff. It was probably my fault for not heating the mix but I found
it
> > > >hard to mix and it did not mix well so when I applied it there were
> > > >globs that did not cure and I had to dig them out. I have used
> supplied
> > > >epoxy/microballoon since and am happy with it. It takes a bit of
> > > >practice to mix just right so it sticks and doesn't slump but it is
not
> > > >hard to do and I found it sands just fine. One does have to wait two
> to
> > > >three days to sand but then it goes well. (And much less
expensive...)
> > >
> > > I had trouble with some Superfill but it was very old and near the
> bottom
> > > of the tin, probably resin/filler ratio was inaccurate due to
> settlement.
> > > It is easier to use though.
> > > I now use a very sharp wood plane to trim back the filler. Works
> > > beautifully and takes very thin shavings off just like wood but in any
> > > direction. I can start cutting back after an overnight cure too. Got
> that
> > > tip from here, doesn't one of Bob's boys do it that way?
> > > Graham
> > >
> > >
> > > ---
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
> 1/4 inch (6mm) thick??? Surely you jest.
On the 1/4 thick topic, yes that was correct. Neville was right, at the end
of the day is was far quicker to sand off too much than muck about with
applying second and third coats. If you mix it up really dry like he
suggests it does come off fairly quickly. I used a plane to rough it down
and then sanded it with 80 grit paper.
Paul
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