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1. 12:14 AM - Play between elevators (Ronald J. Parigoris)
2. 02:03 AM - Fw: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender (R.C.Harrison)
3. 05:36 AM - Re: Spar guide placement (KARL HEINDL)
4. 05:46 AM - Re: Classic closed trailer for sale (Mike Cater)
5. 05:46 AM - RE : roll trim tab and servo installation (Auvray)
6. 06:57 AM - Re: Spar guide placement (R.C.Harrison)
7. 09:10 AM - Re: Wed Lunchtime Fly-in (bryan allsop)
8. 09:33 AM - Re: Fw: Mail delivery failed: returning message (Matt Dralle)
9. 11:09 AM - Re: Fw: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
10. 12:48 PM - Re: Fw: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender (R.C.Harrison)
11. 02:52 PM - Re: Wed Lunchtime Fly-in (bryan allsop)
12. 04:49 PM - For your virus file ()
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| Subject: | Play between elevators |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Curious about play between elevators.
On planes flying, if you grab the left elevator with left hand and right elevator
with
right hand and move them in opposite directions, what is the amount of play between
them?
I know there is a mod to replace 1/4 inch drive pins with 3/8 pins if there is
more than
a 1/2 inch of play between the 2 surfaces.
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Guy's
I'm getting mail returned .
Anyone who is a computer wiz helpout with suggestions as to why?
Below is a typical returned message.
Regards and thanks in anticipation.
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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> From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
> To: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
> References: <200311110814.hAB8EJt08311@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Play between elevators
> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:47:17 -0000
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> Hi! Ron.
> I also produce a modification which clamps all the tailplane torque tube
and
> drive bushes together eliminating any relative movement whatsoever so
> therefore no wear.
> It is however more expensive than the Europa Upsize Mod. but can they yet
> guarantee no further wear?
> My mod. also reinforces the unsupported inboard sections of the torque
tube.
> I can't promote it on the forum because it caused an outcry when I did.
> The "slop" or differential movement between the two tail planes could
result
> in a flutter causing a catastrophic failure.
>
> However if you go to :- http://www.crix.org.uk
> click on :- " Bob Harrison's Europa G-PTAG"
> click on :- "Modifications"
> Then allow it good time to down load since there are some photo's and in
> particular installed photo's which show the final set up prior to the a/c
> top being fitted.
> The mod. unfortunately calls for the assembly to be dismantled and removed
> since the nylon bushes need shortening from the inboard ends. so it is
> advisable to go to the first upsize pins anyway. However the clamping
action
> is so good the drive would be fixed with the clamps even if the pins still
> had "slop".
> regards
> Bob Harrison..
> PS I'm in Savannah 18/12/2003 through 2/01/2004.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 8:13 AM
> Subject: Europa-List: Play between elevators
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris"
> <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
> >
> > Curious about play between elevators.
> >
> > On planes flying, if you grab the left elevator with left hand and right
> elevator with
> > right hand and move them in opposite directions, what is the amount of
> play between them?
> >
> > I know there is a mod to replace 1/4 inch drive pins with 3/8 pins if
> there is more than
> > a 1/2 inch of play between the 2 surfaces.
> >
> > Thx.
> > Ron Parigoris
> >
> >
> >
> > _-> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Spar guide placement |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
Hi Bob,
What exactly do you mean by 'ramps'? Are you referring to the socket on the
starboard side
itself. It has a sort of lip top and bottom.
Also, how do you get the flaps to connect to the flap pins when solo rigging
?
Cheers, Karl
>From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Spar guide placement
>Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 07:31:32 -0000
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
>
>Hi! Ferg.
>Perhaps you haven't understood my plan of solving the problem of single
>person rigging of the port wing?
>If you take the socket that the port spa engages in you will notice that it
>has two small ramps which guide the spa finally into the socket. It is
>these
>ramps that aren't extended enough to catch the approaching spa that causes
>the delay in the spa finding the socket centre OR NEEDS AN ASSISTANT TO
>VISUALLY GUIDE THE PERSON PUSHING THE WING TIP HOME THERBY CAUSING THE
>DELAY
>YOU MENTION. Extend the ramps about 3" then the spa has to follow them
>either DOWN or UP into the socket . The only direction not controlled is
>the
>fore and aft position of the spa end but with a suitable LEDGED tuffnel
>wear
>strip for the spa to slide over on the port side access the guy pushing can
>hold the wing tip aft (keeps the spa tip forward) and bingo problem of it
>"FINDING " the socket is solved.
>The socket isn't structural, only a rigging aid, but you are only
>increasing
>it's structural contribution (and unfortunately a little weight!) but with
>the extension ramps being reduxed to the seat back bulkhead it is better
>held from cracking away (As mine did...... then try rigging on your own and
>go fly over the Alps like we did!)
>On the pip pin question the procedure for fitting the port pip pin (1/2"
>diameter with the 1370 lb mod) is to pull the pin tight against the
>starboard spa with the balls engaged, measure the gap between the handle
>and
>seat back and suitably pack it out to "soak" up the loose length. (It was
>my
>choice to use an identical pip pin on both sides of the a/c on the basis of
>"whats good for the goose is good for the gander" besides it looks more
>professional than a welded allen key into a cap bolt!)
>Obviously a threaded bolt with a self locking nut would be better than "the
>balls" but can you devise a way of getting your hand in to fit the nut? But
>also the "mickey mouse" welded allen key doesn't even have "the balls" to
>restrain the spa from lateral movement. only the "cuff" mid span is
>providing such restraint.
>Hope you now feel happier about MY safety!!!!!?
>Regards
>Bob Harrison G-PTAG
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>To: "EUROPALIST" <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Europa-List: Spar guide placement
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
> >
> > This is only me speaking - Andy or neville may wish to comment.
> >
> > I was at the Europa tent the last two OSHes, and watched or took part in
> > several wing attachment parties. The speed and accuracy of the crew was
> > great to watch, but on occasion there was hesitation or difficulty and
>they
> > solved all by adjusting the angle of the spar.
> > It occurred to me that there is change in the dimensions from time to
> > ime - seasonal, humidity, temperature, whatever. I think it would be
>unwise
> > to set spar guides too critically that when some flexibility is required
>at
> > a later date, it is not available.
> > That is - I plan to leave some motion available, and will hew to the
> > manual specifically regarding pip pins. I am not sure I would rely on
>both
> > pins sited only by two retractable ball bearings.
> > Happy landings
> > Ferg
> > A064 classic mono
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Classic closed trailer for sale |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Cater" <mike.cater@btopenworld.com>
Hi Dari,
I have attached a picture, and here are a few details.
1. The trailer is of steel framed construction with aluminium cladding, on a
twin axle. It has a timber floor and rear door/ramp.
2. The metal box is 6400mm long, 1880mm wide, and 1780mm high. The tow bar
adds 1100mm to the overall length making it 7500mm long. The road wheels add
360mm to the overall width, making it 2240mm wide.
3. The Europa wings and tailplanes are supported on fittings on the inside
trailer walls. The Europa monowheel fuselage goes on a supporting dolly
which is winched into the box and secured to the floor.
4. The Europa XS monowheel version would also fit very well.
5. There are 3 x 20L fuel containers secured within the box.
6. There is a two-wheeled wing dolly which enables the a/c to be rigged by
one person.
7. We were originally of the view that the whole thing was well worth
3,500, given that the materials alone cost more than that. However one
interested party has suggested that this is probably more than we will get,
so I should make it clear that we will sell it at the best price we can get.
It clearly will be of no further use to us, and it would serve another like
minded Europa owner very well.
8. It is in excellent order and we estimate that it has saved us serious
money in hangarage.
If you want to look, it is based at Husbands Bosworth in Leicestershire.
Phone first 01455 559274.
Regards,
Mike Cater
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dari Sagar" <dari_sagar@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Classic closed trailer for sale
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dari Sagar" <dari_sagar@hotmail.com>
>
> Mike,
> I'm interested in your trailer. I fly a Classic momowheel Europa. Please
> could you let me know what you're asking for your it ? You could reach me
on
> either 01905 381688 04 my mobile 07900 056343. Thanks.
> Regards,
> Dari Sagar
>
>
> >From: "Mike Cater" <mike.cater@btopenworld.com>
> >Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
> >To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Europa-List: Classic closed trailer for sale
> >Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:59:31 -0000
> >
> >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Cater"
> ><mike.cater@btopenworld.com>
> >
> >Hello,
> >
> >Having recently sold our beautiful Europa Classic to a new owner with
> >hangar space, we are looking to sell our closed metal, twin axle,
> >hangar/trailer.
> >It comes complete with all the fittings for easy one man "rigging and
> >derigging from the box". Open the trailer and be ready to fly in about 20
> >minutes.
> >Please drop me a line for further details.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Mike Cater
> >
> >PS Based in Leicestershire by the way!
> >
> >
>
> Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection
> http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband
>
>
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| Subject: | roll trim tab and servo installation |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Auvray" <m.auvray@aerodyne-int.com>
Hello Bob
Congratulations for your web site and Aicraft they are beautiful.
What servo model do you used for the aileron?
Thanks
Michel Auvray Classic monowheel N145-220 hours(to day)
--|--
--------(*)--------
Michel AUVRAY
-----Message d'origine-----
De : owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Bob
Jacobsen
Envoy : mardi 11 novembre 2003 02:04
: europa-list@matronics.com
Objet : Re: Europa-List: roll trim tab and servo installation
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bob Jacobsen"
--> <jacobsenra@hotmail.com>
Fred,
Many of us have had excellent luck using model airplane servos mounted
in
the ailerons. I mounted mine after the ailerons were built but before
filling etc.
You can see pictures of an installation at
www.galaxyhobby.com/europa.htm
If you have specific questions just e-mail me. All the parts required -
including servo driver, servo, linkages etc come to about $100 - cheaper
and
faster than most other methods, plus it's almost totally hidden. Any
good
hobby shop should have what you need.
Bob Jacobsen
A131
>From: "Fred R. Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Europa-List: roll trim tab and servo installation
>Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:23:28 -0800
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred R. Klein"
>--> <fklein@orcasonline.com>
>
>Hi All,
>
>I'm familiar with the desireability of incorporating roll trim in the
>XS.
>
>Can someone point me to an info source for a tried and true
>installation?
>
>When is the optimal time to install it?..my sense would be after the
>ailerons have been trial fitted to the wings (but what do I know?).
>
>Fred, A194
>
>
=
==
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
==
==
==
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| Subject: | Re: Spar guide placement |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Karl.
Yes, I think you have the point (they could be called "entry lips" too) Yes,
it is the starboard side socket, the other is on the PORT spa.
The flaps are positively guided by entering a tapered tube constructed as
part of and inset into the flap extensions before closing them out to fit
flush to the fuselage when it goes flaps "UP". The flap drive tube is always
left in the down position so when the wing is pushed home the down
positioned flap slides up the tube to be guaranteed to enter the flap drive
pin.
Hope this helps?
I will advise when I have posted digital pictures of this feature aswell as
the new ramps extensions on the socket.
regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300
----- Original Message -----
From: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Spar guide placement
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> What exactly do you mean by 'ramps'? Are you referring to the socket on
the
> starboard side
> itself. It has a sort of lip top and bottom.
>
> Also, how do you get the flaps to connect to the flap pins when solo
rigging
> ?
>
> Cheers, Karl
>
>
> >From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
> >Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
> >To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: Europa-List: Spar guide placement
> >Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 07:31:32 -0000
> >
> >--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
<ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
> >
> >Hi! Ferg.
> >Perhaps you haven't understood my plan of solving the problem of single
> >person rigging of the port wing?
> >If you take the socket that the port spa engages in you will notice that
it
> >has two small ramps which guide the spa finally into the socket. It is
> >these
> >ramps that aren't extended enough to catch the approaching spa that
causes
> >the delay in the spa finding the socket centre OR NEEDS AN ASSISTANT TO
> >VISUALLY GUIDE THE PERSON PUSHING THE WING TIP HOME THERBY CAUSING THE
> >DELAY
> >YOU MENTION. Extend the ramps about 3" then the spa has to follow them
> >either DOWN or UP into the socket . The only direction not controlled is
> >the
> >fore and aft position of the spa end but with a suitable LEDGED tuffnel
> >wear
> >strip for the spa to slide over on the port side access the guy pushing
can
> >hold the wing tip aft (keeps the spa tip forward) and bingo problem of it
> >"FINDING " the socket is solved.
> >The socket isn't structural, only a rigging aid, but you are only
> >increasing
> >it's structural contribution (and unfortunately a little weight!) but
with
> >the extension ramps being reduxed to the seat back bulkhead it is better
> >held from cracking away (As mine did...... then try rigging on your own
and
> >go fly over the Alps like we did!)
> >On the pip pin question the procedure for fitting the port pip pin (1/2"
> >diameter with the 1370 lb mod) is to pull the pin tight against the
> >starboard spa with the balls engaged, measure the gap between the handle
> >and
> >seat back and suitably pack it out to "soak" up the loose length. (It was
> >my
> >choice to use an identical pip pin on both sides of the a/c on the basis
of
> >"what's good for the goose is good for the gander" besides it looks more
> >professional than a welded allen key into a cap bolt!)
> >Obviously a threaded bolt with a self locking nut would be better than
"the
> >balls" but can you devise a way of getting your hand in to fit the nut?
But
> >also the "mickey mouse" welded allen key doesn't even have "the balls" to
> >restrain the spa from lateral movement. only the "cuff" mid span is
> >providing such restraint.
> >Hope you now feel happier about MY safety!!!!!?
> >Regards
> >Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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| Subject: | Re: Wed Lunchtime Fly-in |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Sorry Bob!
You are quite correct. I do mean Bourne near Cambridge. No I have not
called it off, Richard Holder is game if his engine keeps going.
Like you I seem to be having my mail returned even though it has transmitted
successfully. It also seems to be transmitting incorrect spelling, viz
'Brough' when I mailed 'Bourne'. If the weather turns out to be crap
tomorrow, I will blame that on the system as well.
Incidentally, Bourne have coffee and a place to sit and chat. No-one seems
very confident about food, so a sandwhich may be a good precaution.
Other than that. I agree about the call round before starting out in our
beloved climate. My mobile is 07957 818787, tel 01 246 207733. Hope I see
you, Richard, and others tomorrow.
Bryan AOriginal Message -----
From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wed Lunchtime Fly-in
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
<ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
>
> Hi! Bryan
> So the inference is that the plan to fly to BOURNE on Wednesday is off?
> I didn't know you could land at BROUGH because that's British Aero Space
nr.
> Hull? OR are you having a "Senior moment" and mean BOURNE?
>
> Ironically I was intending raising the question of you making a decision
so
> far in advance ? Surely the crappy weather in this beloved Country of ours
> in Winter means we can only expect the plan to work on a " morning of the
> race 'phone round" albeit having been decided where the week's meeting
would
> be in advance?
> I particularly remember a lousey night spent near "the golden mile"
waiting
> for the "pack" on our trip to the Emerald Isle!
> OK this Wednesday may be out for some but it surely doesn't mean call it
off
> yet? or does it ?
> Regards
> Bob Harrison G-PTAG
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
> To: "europa club mail" <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Wed Lunchtime Fly-in
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop"
> <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
> >
> > I am pleasantly surprised at the level of interest in the Winter
Lunchtime
> Fly-ins. There are so many suggestions for where to go and get free meals
> etc.,that we will not be stuck for choice. Certainly there are enough of
us
> to make it successfull in the long term.
> >
> > Regretably this wednesday seems to be out for many, probably due to the
> short notice. There is likely to be only the one weather slot for this
> Wednesday! But we will arrange a meet for next Wednesday, I cant promise
the
> weather though.
> >
> > Meanwhile, if anyone is able to make it to Brough for a trial run this
> Wednesday please let me know and I will go as well.
> >
> > Bryan A.
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Mail delivery failed: returning message |
to sender
--> Europa-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
This guy's email address is bouncing email and instead of sending it back
to the "errors-to" header, its sending it back to the sender. I've
unsubscribed the address from the Lists so you shouldn't be getting these
anymore.
Best,
Matt Dralle
List Admin
do not archive
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>--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
>
>Hi! Guy's
>I'm getting mail returned .
>Anyone who is a computer wiz helpout with suggestions as to why?
>Below is a typical returned message.
>Regards and thanks in anticipation.
>Bob Harrison G-PTAG
>----- Original Message -----
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>
> > This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.
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> > rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us
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> > From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
> > To: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
> > References: <200311110814.hAB8EJt08311@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Play between elevators
> > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:47:17 -0000
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> > Hi! Ron.
> > I also produce a modification which clamps all the tailplane torque tube
>and
> > drive bushes together eliminating any relative movement whatsoever so
> > therefore no wear.
> > It is however more expensive than the Europa Upsize Mod. but can they yet
> > guarantee no further wear?
> > My mod. also reinforces the unsupported inboard sections of the torque
>tube.
> > I can't promote it on the forum because it caused an outcry when I did.
> > The "slop" or differential movement between the two tail planes could
>result
> > in a flutter causing a catastrophic failure.
> >
> > However if you go to :- http://www.crix.org.uk
> > click on :- " Bob Harrison's Europa G-PTAG"
> > click on :- "Modifications"
> > Then allow it good time to down load since there are some photo's and in
> > particular installed photo's which show the final set up prior to the a/c
> > top being fitted.
> > The mod. unfortunately calls for the assembly to be dismantled and removed
> > since the nylon bushes need shortening from the inboard ends. so it is
> > advisable to go to the first upsize pins anyway. However the clamping
>action
> > is so good the drive would be fixed with the clamps even if the pins still
> > had "slop".
> > regards
> > Bob Harrison..
> > PS I'm in Savannah 18/12/2003 through 2/01/2004.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 8:13 AM
> > Subject: Europa-List: Play between elevators
> >
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris"
> > <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
> > >
> > > Curious about play between elevators.
> > >
> > > On planes flying, if you grab the left elevator with left hand and right
> > elevator with
> > > right hand and move them in opposite directions, what is the amount of
> > play between them?
> > >
> > > I know there is a mod to replace 1/4 inch drive pins with 3/8 pins if
> > there is more than
> > > a 1/2 inch of play between the 2 surfaces.
> > >
> > > Thx.
> > > Ron Parigoris
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _-> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
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| Subject: | Fw: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>> Hi! Guy's
>> I'm getting mail returned .
>> Anyone who is a computer wiz helpout with suggestions as to why?
>> Below is a typical returned message.
All that message means is that particular recipient had his mail bounced
when it was sent from the matronics list to the end user. In this case
it looks like the user no longer exists. In effect it is an electronic
'return to sender' message saying that the list couldn't deliver the
message to that particular list subscriber. It will however have been
delivered to all the other list subscribers.
It's a normal non delivery message from a list server and gets sent to
the person who initiated the message.
Bob, it doesn't mean you have a problem submitting to the list and there
is also nothing that you, as a list subscriber, can do about it.
Tony
Do not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Matt.
Thanks.
It looks a good system to have on board for giving the damn spammers some of
their own medicine?
Regards
Bob H . G-PTAG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fw: Mail delivery failed: returning message to
sender
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
>
> This guy's email address is bouncing email and instead of sending it back
> to the "errors-to" header, its sending it back to the sender. I've
> unsubscribed the address from the Lists so you shouldn't be getting these
> anymore.
>
> Best,
>
> Matt Dralle
> List Admin
>
> do not archive
>
> At 02:13 AM 11/11/2003 Tuesday, you wrote:
> >--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
<ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
> >
> >Hi! Guy's
> >I'm getting mail returned .
> >Anyone who is a computer wiz helpout with suggestions as to why?
> >Below is a typical returned message.
> >Regards and thanks in anticipation.
> >Bob Harrison G-PTAG
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Mail Delivery System"
> ><Mailer-Daemon@mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com>
> >To: <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
> >Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender
> >
> >
> > > This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.
> > >
> > > A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
> > > recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es)
failed:
> > >
> > > rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us
> > > SMTP error from remote mailer after MAIL
> >FROM:<ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>:
> > > host mx.suffolk.lib.ny.us [209.139.6.15]: 554 5.7.1 SORBS listed
see:
> > > http://www.dnsbl.sorbs.net/cgi-bin/lookup?IP=212.74.114.40
> > >
> > > ------ This is a copy of the message, including all the
headers. ------
> > >
> > > Return-path: <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
> > > Received: from [62.64.207.113] (helo=ptag)
> > > by mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.24)
> > > id 1AJUx9-000IE4-Gi
> > > Message-ID: <00d001c3a838$cb647820$348d403e@dev>
> > > From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
> > > To: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
> > > References: <200311110814.hAB8EJt08311@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Play between elevators
> > > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:47:17 -0000
> > > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106
> > > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106
> > >
> > > Hi! Ron.
> > > I also produce a modification which clamps all the tailplane torque
tube
> >and
> > > drive bushes together eliminating any relative movement whatsoever so
> > > therefore no wear.
> > > It is however more expensive than the Europa Upsize Mod. but can they
yet
> > > guarantee no further wear?
> > > My mod. also reinforces the unsupported inboard sections of the torque
> >tube.
> > > I can't promote it on the forum because it caused an outcry when I
did.
> > > The "slop" or differential movement between the two tail planes could
> >result
> > > in a flutter causing a catastrophic failure.
> > >
> > > However if you go to :- http://www.crix.org.uk
> > > click on :- " Bob Harrison's Europa G-PTAG"
> > > click on :- "Modifications"
> > > Then allow it good time to down load since there are some photo's and
in
> > > particular installed photo's which show the final set up prior to the
a/c
> > > top being fitted.
> > > The mod. unfortunately calls for the assembly to be dismantled and
removed
> > > since the nylon bushes need shortening from the inboard ends. so it is
> > > advisable to go to the first upsize pins anyway. However the clamping
> >action
> > > is so good the drive would be fixed with the clamps even if the pins
still
> > > had "slop".
> > > regards
> > > Bob Harrison..
> > > PS I'm in Savannah 18/12/2003 through 2/01/2004.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
> > > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 8:13 AM
> > > Subject: Europa-List: Play between elevators
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris"
> > > <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
> > > >
> > > > Curious about play between elevators.
> > > >
> > > > On planes flying, if you grab the left elevator with left hand and
right
> > > elevator with
> > > > right hand and move them in opposite directions, what is the amount
of
> > > play between them?
> > > >
> > > > I know there is a mod to replace 1/4 inch drive pins with 3/8 pins
if
> > > there is more than
> > > > a 1/2 inch of play between the 2 surfaces.
> > > >
> > > > Thx.
> > > > Ron Parigoris
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _-> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wed Lunchtime Fly-in |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Sorry Bob!
You are quite correct. I do mean Bourne near Cambridge. No I have not
called it off, Richard Holder is game if his engine keeps going.
Like you I seem to be having my mail returned even though it has transmitted
successfully. It also seems to be transmitting incorrect spelling, viz
'Brough' when I mailed 'Bourne'. If the weather turns out to be crap
tomorrow, I will blame that on the system as well.
Incidentally, Bourne have coffee and a place to sit and chat. No-one seems
very confident about food, so a sandwhich may be a good precaution.
Other than that. I agree about the call round before starting out in our
beloved climate. My mobile is 07957 818787, tel 01 246 207733. Hope I see
you, Richard, and others tomorrow.
Bryan AOriginal Message -----
----- Original Message -----
From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wed Lunchtime Fly-in
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
<ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
>
> Hi! Bryan
> So the inference is that the plan to fly to BOURNE on Wednesday is off?
> I didn't know you could land at BROUGH because that's British Aero Space
nr.
> Hull? OR are you having a "Senior moment" and mean BOURNE?
>
> Ironically I was intending raising the question of you making a decision
so
> far in advance ? Surely the crappy weather in this beloved Country of ours
> in Winter means we can only expect the plan to work on a " morning of the
> race 'phone round" albeit having been decided where the week's meeting
would
> be in advance?
> I particularly remember a lousey night spent near "the golden mile"
waiting
> for the "pack" on our trip to the Emerald Isle!
> OK this Wednesday may be out for some but it surely doesn't mean call it
off
> yet? or does it ?
> Regards
> Bob Harrison G-PTAG
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
> To: "europa club mail" <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Wed Lunchtime Fly-in
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop"
> <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
> >
> > I am pleasantly surprised at the level of interest in the Winter
Lunchtime
> Fly-ins. There are so many suggestions for where to go and get free meals
> etc.,that we will not be stuck for choice. Certainly there are enough of
us
> to make it successfull in the long term.
> >
> > Regretably this wednesday seems to be out for many, probably due to the
> short notice. There is likely to be only the one weather slot for this
> Wednesday! But we will arrange a meet for next Wednesday, I cant promise
the
> weather though.
> >
> > Meanwhile, if anyone is able to make it to Brough for a trial run this
> Wednesday please let me know and I will go as well.
> >
> > Bryan A.
> >
>
>
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