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1. 01:14 AM - cowlings (paul stewart)
2. 04:55 AM - Re: cowlings (Troy Maynor)
3. 06:37 AM - Re: cowlings (Kevin Klinefelter)
4. 09:25 AM - Re: cowlings (Rob Housman)
5. 09:30 AM - GPSpecial (Fergus Kyle)
6. 10:39 AM - Re: First flight N6125A (Rowland Carson)
7. 12:01 PM - Re: cowlings (Ami McFadyean)
8. 12:09 PM - Re: GPSpecial (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
9. 05:28 PM - Re: cowlings (Jim Brown)
10. 07:15 PM - Re: RE : roll trim tab and servo installation (Bob Jacobsen)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "paul stewart" <paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
Still having all sorts of fun fitting the cowlings. Another question. Were the
two cowlings and the fuselage all come together (ie aft end on the cowling joint
line) the cowlings sit very proud of the fuselage line. This appears only partly
due to having two thicknesses of cowling for the fuselage joggle to accommodate
at this point. The contour of the joggle at this point does not line
up with the contour of the cowlings rather it forces them outboard (finding this
difficult to explain). If any one recognises what I'm talking about and has
a solution I'd be grateful..
Regards
Paul #432
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
Paul,
I think I experienced what you are talking about. I ended up with the
following ingredients: a slight thinning of each of the pieces to decrease
thickness, filling up to them with superfil on the fuselage side. But as I
would tighten down the screw it would deform the mating and ended up with
small bed of flox to make everything level. I used a tape release film
between the flox and the cowling in the joggle and only tightened the screw
enough to keep the two pieces of the cowling from deforming. Then after cure
I filled the aft edge up level on the fuselage. Hope this makes sense and
helps.
Troy Maynor
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of paul stewart
Subject: Europa-List: cowlings
--> Europa-List message posted by: "paul stewart"
<paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
Still having all sorts of fun fitting the cowlings. Another question. Were
the two cowlings and the fuselage all come together (ie aft end on the
cowling joint line) the cowlings sit very proud of the fuselage line. This
appears only partly due to having two thicknesses of cowling for the
fuselage joggle to accommodate at this point. The contour of the joggle at
this point does not line up with the contour of the cowlings rather it
forces them outboard (finding this difficult to explain). If any one
recognises what I'm talking about and has a solution I'd be grateful..
Regards
Paul #432
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
I also am fitting the cowlings and know what you are talking about. So far I
have sanded some of the top half fuse joggle, to help smooth the contour.
Just getting rid of the molded gel coat stuff helps some. Also sanded the
inside of the lower cowl. And still when screwed in place there is a bit of
a wave in the otherwise nice curve around the mating joggle. If I put a
washer under the lower cowl one screw lower than the joggle it looks better
and will require some filling on the fuse. The washer will is doing what
Troy describes below done with flox. I think I will flox the washer in place
and contour the joggle with flox to that thickness.
Kevin
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Troy Maynor
Subject: RE: Europa-List: cowlings
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
Paul,
I think I experienced what you are talking about. I ended up with the
following ingredients: a slight thinning of each of the pieces to decrease
thickness, filling up to them with superfil on the fuselage side. But as I
would tighten down the screw it would deform the mating and ended up with
small bed of flox to make everything level. I used a tape release film
between the flox and the cowling in the joggle and only tightened the screw
enough to keep the two pieces of the cowling from deforming. Then after cure
I filled the aft edge up level on the fuselage. Hope this makes sense and
helps.
Troy Maynor
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of paul stewart
Subject: Europa-List: cowlings
--> Europa-List message posted by: "paul stewart"
<paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
Still having all sorts of fun fitting the cowlings. Another question. Were
the two cowlings and the fuselage all come together (ie aft end on the
cowling joint line) the cowlings sit very proud of the fuselage line. This
appears only partly due to having two thicknesses of cowling for the
fuselage joggle to accommodate at this point. The contour of the joggle at
this point does not line up with the contour of the cowlings rather it
forces them outboard (finding this difficult to explain). If any one
recognises what I'm talking about and has a solution I'd be grateful..
Regards
Paul #432
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
Been there, done that. I thinned both cowl pieces and still had a poor fit,
so I proceeded to sand the fuselage to make things fit together without a
bump. By the time I got a good fit I found it necessary to add glass to the
interior of the fuselage (because I could see through it before things fit
properly). One must conclude that when the fuselage moldings were designed,
a necessary joggle to match the interior contour of the cowl was omitted.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of paul stewart
Subject: Europa-List: cowlings
--> Europa-List message posted by: "paul stewart"
<paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
Still having all sorts of fun fitting the cowlings. Another question. Were
the two cowlings and the fuselage all come together (ie aft end on the
cowling joint line) the cowlings sit very proud of the fuselage line. This
appears only partly due to having two thicknesses of cowling for the
fuselage joggle to accommodate at this point. The contour of the joggle at
this point does not line up with the contour of the cowlings rather it
forces them outboard (finding this difficult to explain). If any one
recognises what I'm talking about and has a solution I'd be grateful..
Regards
Paul #432
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
There you go............
Jim Weir in the latest (must be DEC03) issue, tried out an AOL CD-ROM disc
as a groundplane for his GPS, on his hightech garbage-can antenna test
range, and found a barely measureable difference from carefully-fashioned
aluminum sheet.
I consider my model Europa to be high-tech since it will incorporate 3
AOL discs - one under the fuel selector handle, one under the GPS antenna
and one under the TXR stub - for now anyway.
Cheers, Ferg
Europa Mono #A064
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| Subject: | Re: First flight N6125A |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
On 2003 11 09 at 07:29 -0700, Curtis Jaussi wrote:
>N6125A :A216 maid it's maiden flight on Saturday Nov. 8 2003
Curtis - congratulations! - and now come my usual questions for the record ...
Can you let me know the airfield where the first flight took place,
the pilot (sounds like it was yourself?) the engine, prop and empty
weight.
My records show A216 is a tri-gear with motor-glider wings. I also
note that it was registered with the FAA in 2001 03 as N4270G; I
hadn't noticed the change of mark since then.
On a related topic, I have been trying to update the first-flights
page on the Europa Club website for some time, but Aviators Network
are being slow responding to the problems we've had with their
server. The Club members-only area is not working at present either,
so apologies to all those who have tried to get in and couldn't. I've
now managed to speak with a human being at Aviators Netowrk so hope
things will get fixed soon. (If not, we might be looking for a new
host!)
regards
Rowland
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| Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary
| Europa 435 G-ROWI (650 hours building) PFA #16532
| e-mail <memsec@europaclub.org.uk> website <www.europaclub.org.uk>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
One solution is to cut-off locally the joggle on the lower cowl so that
there is only one thickness of cowl lying against the fuselage.Why would the
joggle be needed here anyway?
To then provide adequate support to the cowls in this area, attachment
fasteners should be fitted immediately above and below the split line.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "paul stewart" <paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
Subject: Europa-List: cowlings
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "paul stewart"
<paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
>
> Still having all sorts of fun fitting the cowlings. Another question. Were
the two cowlings and the fuselage all come together (ie aft end on the
cowling joint line) the cowlings sit very proud of the fuselage line. This
appears only partly due to having two thicknesses of cowling for the
fuselage joggle to accommodate at this point. The contour of the joggle at
this point does not line up with the contour of the cowlings rather it
forces them outboard (finding this difficult to explain). If any one
recognises what I'm talking about and has a solution I'd be grateful..
>
>
> Regards
>
> Paul #432
>
>
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11/12/2003 03:06:22 PM,
Serialize complete at 11/12/2003 03:06:22 PM
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
Excellent Creative Engineering Ferg!
Best use I have seen for AOL Disks! Sure beats landfill!
Ira N224XS
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
I have seen a couple of Europa's that the lower cowl had been trimmed to the
rebate molded in the lower cowl, then trimmed back to the face of the
firewall. In other words a small section had been cut out so that the lower
cowl fit flat against the fuselage side. The top cowl fit's over it and as a
result a very smooth line of the cowl to the fuselage side.
Jim Brown
N398JB
Rob Housman wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
>
> Been there, done that. I thinned both cowl pieces and still had a poor fit,
> so I proceeded to sand the fuselage to make things fit together without a
> bump. By the time I got a good fit I found it necessary to add glass to the
> interior of the fuselage (because I could see through it before things fit
> properly). One must conclude that when the fuselage moldings were designed,
> a necessary joggle to match the interior contour of the cowl was omitted.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rob Housman
> Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
> Airframe complete
> Irvine, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of paul stewart
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: cowlings
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "paul stewart"
> <paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
>
> Still having all sorts of fun fitting the cowlings. Another question. Were
> the two cowlings and the fuselage all come together (ie aft end on the
> cowling joint line) the cowlings sit very proud of the fuselage line. This
> appears only partly due to having two thicknesses of cowling for the
> fuselage joggle to accommodate at this point. The contour of the joggle at
> this point does not line up with the contour of the cowlings rather it
> forces them outboard (finding this difficult to explain). If any one
> recognises what I'm talking about and has a solution I'd be grateful..
>
> Regards
>
> Paul #432
>
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| Subject: | Re: roll trim tab and servo installation |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bob Jacobsen" <jacobsenra@hotmail.com>
Michel,
The servo of chioce is a Hitec HS-645MG. It is small, extremely powerful
and has an alloy gear train and ball bearings.
Thanks for the nice comments on the web site - I was up flying today and I
still can't get over just how fantastic and fun to fly my plane is.
Are we having FUN yet?!
Bob Jacobsen
A131
>From: "Auvray" <m.auvray@aerodyne-int.com>
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE : Europa-List: roll trim tab and servo installation
>Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:42:59 +0100
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Auvray" <m.auvray@aerodyne-int.com>
>
>Hello Bob
>Congratulations for your web site and Aicraft they are beautiful.
>What servo model do you used for the aileron?
>
>Thanks
>Michel Auvray Classic monowheel N145-220 hours(to day)
>
> --|--
>--------(*)--------
>
>Michel AUVRAY
>
>
>-----Message d'origine-----
>De : owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Bob
>Jacobsen
>Envoy : mardi 11 novembre 2003 02:04
> : europa-list@matronics.com
>Objet : Re: Europa-List: roll trim tab and servo installation
>
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bob Jacobsen"
>--> <jacobsenra@hotmail.com>
>
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