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1. 12:18 AM - [PLEASE READ!] "What's my Contribution used for?" (Matt Dralle)
2. 01:42 AM - Re: UK Weekday Fly-in (R.C.Harrison)
3. 05:30 AM - Re: High temperature adhesive (Kevin Klinefelter)
4. 05:31 AM - Re: Aileron trim wire? (Kevin Klinefelter)
5. 06:06 AM - Re: High temperature adhesive (RoddyEuropa@aol.com)
6. 07:14 AM - Re: Plexiglas to the door? (Jeff Roberts)
7. 07:36 AM - Re: High temperature adhesive (Cliff Shaw)
8. 08:09 AM - Re: Aileron trim wire? (Rob Housman)
9. 12:15 PM - Re: High temperature adhesive (Ami McFadyean)
10. 02:35 PM - Re: UK Weekday Fly-in (bryan allsop)
11. 03:23 PM - Re: Aileron trim wire? (ScramIt@aol.com)
12. 11:01 PM - Re: UK Weekday Fly-in (William Mills)
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| Subject: | [PLEASE READ!] "What's my Contribution used for?" |
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| Subject: | Re: UK Weekday Fly-in |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! William./All
I'll try my best to make it to the SLEAP airfield on Thursday.(The only
enemy is the weather, my event on Friday really was on safety borderline,
we shouldn't be pushing ourselves to take those kind of risks)
However to reinforce my point of having spontaneous Fly In events I can't
help looking out of the window thinking why in hell's name I aren't going
flying today? Instead of waiting for Thursday with what you admit just may
have some doubt because of the blessed weather. I at present can't see a
cloud except vapour trails, vis is about 10 miles.
If interested "punters" had registered and exchanged 'phone numbers we could
be on our way in just over an hour including rigging time or as Ivan Shaw
once said at "Sun and Fun" he could have started in the car park and still
won the race!
I'm thinking of starting a weekly Fly In event called :-
"Big Boy's Toys Instant Decision Weekday Fly Away "!? My Wife says "keep it
simple call it Geri's Day Out " ( get her drift ---geriatrics!)
By the way .....Kingsley Hurst in OZ ..... My Son, who starts a new job
this morning , has just sent me a text message .... He's heard that the
"UK are to suspend Australian wine imports ........... due to SOUR GRAPES
!!!!!!"
Regards
Bob Harrison. G-PTAG
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Subject: Europa-List: UK Weekday Fly-in
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
<combined.merchants@virgin.net>
>
> Hello All,
> This week I have selected SLEAP for the fly-in. There are free landing
and lunch vouchers in Today's Pilot and it has a fairly central location for
England and Wales, although a long trek from the SE. Three Europas use
Sleap for their base. It is located within the Shawbury MATZ, LARS 120.77.
There is a pleasant club room and I will try to ensure food is available on
the chosen day.
> The weather this week is very changeable (as they say) with a variety of
fronts crossing the UK, so getting the right slot is going to be difficult.
At my last check Thursday was looking promising, but any of you with a good
source of forecasting, please let me have your deliberations.
> For club catering purposes, please let me know if you are going to try to
make it.
> Regards,
> William
>
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| Subject: | High temperature adhesive |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
Hi Paul and all,
What is a good product (heat reflective foil) to stick on the firewall?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul McAllister
Subject: Europa-List: High temperature adhesive
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
I want to stick heat reflective foil onto my firewall. Someone suggested
that AC Spruce had a high temperature adhesive that would be suitable for
this purpose. I haven't been able to find it in their catalogue. Does
anyone happen to know the cat number, or have a recommendation as to what
to use.
Thanks, Paul
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| Subject: | Aileron trim wire? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
Hi Ron, What is G-10? Do you have any photos of your install that you might
send to me? I have yet to fill my otherwise completed ailerons and am
debating doing "just one more modification". I have a Trutrak autopilot
installed under the seat, no wiring done yet.
Thanks, Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ronald J.
Parigoris
Subject: Europa-List: Aileron trim wire?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris"
<rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Managed to get Ray Allen T4-5 servo mounted to port aileron.
Mounted the base of the servo flush with the top of the aileron. No cover
needed. Inserted some G-10 between the outer skin and foam and floxed in
place, and riveted on some 6-32 anchor nuts.
Would appreciate some thoughts on powering servo.
What type of wire and or protector and routing has been used successful to
run
from wing to aileron?
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: High temperature adhesive |
--> Europa-List message posted by: RoddyEuropa@aol.com
The performance car people (e.g Demon tweaks in the UK) sell self adhesive foil
with insulation backing. I have used this near the exhaust (after charring my
first cowling near the silencer). It works well, but is quite expensive.
Roddy Kesterton #220
.In a message dated 11/24/2003 8:31:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, kevann@gte.net
writes:
> Hi Paul and all,
>
> What is a good product (heat reflective foil) to stick on the firewall?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul McAllister
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: High temperature adhesive
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
> <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I want to stick heat reflective foil onto my firewall. Someone suggested
> that AC Spruce had a high temperature adhesive that would be suitable for
> this purpose. I haven't been able to find it in their catalogue. Does
> anyone happen to know the cat number, or have a
> recommendation as to what
> to use.
>
>
> Thanks, Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Plexiglas to the door? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 11/23/03 11:45 PM, Cliff Shaw at flyinggpa@comcast.net wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
>
> Jeff
>
> What I did was to grind off a small amount of the plex around the edge. Just
> a little to ; 1) make a tooth for the filler 2) reduce the amount of height
> the filler had to fair. Then fill as normal with the stuff that came in the
> kit.
>
> Cliff Shaw
> 1041 Euclid ave.
> Edmonds WA 98020
> (425) 776-5555
> N229WC "Wile E Coyote"
> New Email:" flyinggpa@comcast.net "
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Roberts" <jeff@rmmm.net>
> To: "Matronics Lists" <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Plexiglas to the door?
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
>>
>> What a weekend, connected all brake lines and the Matco brake. Plus bonded
>> the port & starboard Plexiglas into the doors. Would like to know what
>> others have done to smooth the transition of door to glass. The glass
> seams
>> just slightly proud of the door. Should I just fill & sand up to the edge
> of
>> the Plexiglas, or has someone got a better idea? Can the very edge of the
>> glass be sanded down to match?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Jeff
>> A258 Tri
>> Airframe really looks like a plane now!
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Cliff
That was what I thought. Thanks for confirming.
Jeff A258
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| Subject: | Re: High temperature adhesive |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Kevin
I used Heat Barrier Adhesive Backed p/n 08-00600 from Aircraft Spruce.
In the 12" x 24" sheets. It has worked well on my SX . I also used the
Aluminized Tape p/n 09-47420.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds WA 98020
(425) 776-5555
N229WC "Wile E Coyote"
New Email:" flyinggpa@comcast.net "
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: High temperature adhesive
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
>
> Hi Paul and all,
>
> What is a good product (heat reflective foil) to stick on the firewall?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul
McAllister
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: High temperature adhesive
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
> <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I want to stick heat reflective foil onto my firewall. Someone suggested
> that AC Spruce had a high temperature adhesive that would be suitable for
> this purpose. I haven't been able to find it in their catalogue. Does
> anyone happen to know the cat number, or have a recommendation as to what
> to use.
>
>
> Thanks, Paul
>
>
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| Subject: | Aileron trim wire? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
G-10 is FR-4 without the fire retardant. Oh, I guess that does not help
much.
G-10 is an epoxy-fiberglass laminate used for printed circuit boards, and
other electrical stuff.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kevin
Klinefelter
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Aileron trim wire?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
Hi Ron, What is G-10? Do you have any photos of your install that you might
send to me? I have yet to fill my otherwise completed ailerons and am
debating doing "just one more modification". I have a Trutrak autopilot
installed under the seat, no wiring done yet.
Thanks, Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ronald J.
Parigoris
Subject: Europa-List: Aileron trim wire?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris"
<rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Managed to get Ray Allen T4-5 servo mounted to port aileron.
Mounted the base of the servo flush with the top of the aileron. No cover
needed. Inserted some G-10 between the outer skin and foam and floxed in
place, and riveted on some 6-32 anchor nuts.
Would appreciate some thoughts on powering servo.
What type of wire and or protector and routing has been used successful to
run
from wing to aileron?
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: High temperature adhesive |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
I find that high temperature silicone is good for sticking on heat
reflective cloth.The trick is to apply thickly then squeeze out to a thin
film below the cloth. Silicone seems to be much more difficult to get off
when spread thinly!
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Subject: Europa-List: High temperature adhesive
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I want to stick heat reflective foil onto my firewall. Someone suggested
that AC Spruce had a high temperature adhesive that would be suitable for
this purpose. I haven't been able to find it in their catalogue. Does
anyone happen to know the cat number, or have a recommendation as to what
to use.
>
>
> Thanks, Paul
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: UK Weekday Fly-in |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Never fear William. The concept is to have a venue arranged with a freebie
landing. We have our aeroplanes ready and waiting for the baton holder (you
in this case) to declare the day.
You certainly cant please all of the people all of the time. The weather on
the day may be unsuitable for some to get there. The day selected will
almost certainly be wrong for others. Whatever! The baton holder chooses.
That's part of the fun of it. You cant decide by committee.
It could even stretch to a week or so before a good weather slot turns up,
but the choice of a potential good turn out, or not may depend on it. Have
fun with the weather gods, we will keep watching.
Best regards.. Bryan. PS. Avbrief three day suggests VFR only in the
Southern Countys on Thursday--- Original Message -----
From: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Subject: Europa-List: UK Weekday Fly-in
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
<combined.merchants@virgin.net>
>
> Hello All,
> This week I have selected SLEAP for the fly-in. There are free landing
and lunch vouchers in Today's Pilot and it has a fairly central location for
England and Wales, although a long trek from the SE. Three Europas use
Sleap for their base. It is located within the Shawbury MATZ, LARS 120.77.
There is a pleasant club room and I will try to ensure food is available on
the chosen day.
> The weather this week is very changeable (as they say) with a variety of
fronts crossing the UK, so getting the right slot is going to be difficult.
At my last check Thursday was looking promising, but any of you with a good
source of forecasting, please let me have your deliberations.
> For club catering purposes, please let me know if you are going to try to
make it.
> Regards,
> William
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron trim wire? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: ScramIt@aol.com
Hi all. Just finished my aileron servo install. Before I did it I asked
everyone I could find how they ran the wires. Everyone I talked to came out the
front edge of the aileron. I kept picturing that getting caught on something and
interfering with aileron movement.
I drilled in the from the outboard edge of the aileron near the wing tip. I
ran 1/4 tubing along the leading edge to the servo. In the wing in ran a larger
tube like an S from my wing conduit to the wing tip close out. So when I run
the wire it goes in a tube within a tube, at a point with very little relative
movement.
I'll have pictures on the site soon, I upgraded my system software and my
auto site builder program not longer runs.
Chat later,
SteveD.
A217
After reading that description you know why I take a lot of pictures.... : )
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| Subject: | Re: UK Weekday Fly-in |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Dear All,
THURSDAY is still looking good for SLEAP. I will only change it if the
weather slot moves Please give me an idea who is going to attend for the
catering request.
Regards,
William
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