Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:45 AM - Re: UK Weekday Fly-in (Pete Lawless)
2. 01:38 AM - Faulty scales (Moore, Dave)
3. 06:38 AM - RV vs. Europa (Guil Barros)
4. 07:19 AM - Re: RV vs. Europa (Miles McCallum)
5. 07:52 AM - Re: RV vs. Europa (Rob Housman)
6. 08:31 AM - Re: UK Weekday Fly-in (William Mills)
7. 11:09 AM - OV protection (paul stewart)
8. 11:35 AM - Re: Faulty scales (Jeremy Davey)
9. 11:40 AM - Re: RV vs. Europa (Jeremy Davey)
10. 11:50 AM - Re: Europa Accessories (Brian Fogg)
11. 11:50 AM - Re: UK Weekday Fly-in (Brian Fogg)
12. 01:16 PM - Re: RV vs. Europa (John & Amy Eckel)
13. 01:51 PM - Re: OV protection (Rob Housman)
14. 02:58 PM - Re: OV protection (Jeff Roberts)
15. 04:08 PM - Re: RV vs. Europa (Paul Boulet)
16. 04:36 PM - Re: Europa Accessories (Tim Ward)
17. 04:38 PM - Re: RV or Europa (Guil Barros)
18. 05:44 PM - Info or manual? (Guil Barros)
19. 07:53 PM - Re: RV vs. Europa (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
20. 09:18 PM - Re: Re: RV or Europa (DJA727@aol.com)
21. 09:37 PM - Las Vegas Area (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
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| Subject: | UK Weekday Fly-in |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
Morning William
Subject to the met being ok, I will be there Thursday. Can't do Friday.
Pete Lawless
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of William
Mills
Subject: Re: Europa-List: UK Weekday Fly-in
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
<combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Hello All,
Weather is still looking OK for Thursday and Friday is looking OK for a
fall-back if necessary. Four Europas comming so far (not including those
based at Sleap). Any advance on four?
Best wishes,
William
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Moore, Dave" <Dave.Moore@lr.org>
Thank you Jeremy, thank you Ron, for bringing the problem of "sticking"
scales to our attention. I, too, have found it happening with my Ohaus
CS200 digital scales.
A tip for getting around it, when adding resin / hardener with syringes,
is to tap the rim of the cup gently with the tube on the syringe as you
get to the last few drops stage. It seems to 'un-stick' the scales.
I now have a routine for adding the last few tenths of a gram of
hardener or resin, of: 'drop' - 'tap' - 'drop' - 'tap' .........
Dave Moore
Monowheel #550
Just starting...
Aberdeen, UK.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Guil Barros <flight@metathusalan.com>
Let me start off by saying that im not trying to start a flame war :)
Im genuinly interested in hearing peoples thoughts on the subject, up untill i
found out about europa kits a few days ago i was set on getting an RV-7A. Im
not so sure anymore.
Can someone tell me a little about whats involved in building an Europa? i can
understand rivetting aluminum, but have never had any experience with composite
materials. Will i have to shape foam to make parts? wings, etc?
Also, it seems that there are thousands of people with RV's, and i hadnt heard
of the europa till just a few days ago. Whats the community like? Is there
anyone in arkansas who might want to give me a demo ride in one?
Im really interested in the europa, i love the idea of using a smaller, more
modern engine (lycomings make me cringe), the fantastic fuel consumption, the
aestetics, etc... i guess im really comfortable with the idea of aluminum still
though.
One other thing: i noticed that the prop-ground clearance on the monowheel is
rather small, what are peoples thoughts on this? are there many prop-strikes?
Right now im thinking i like the monowheel XL the most, but i need to see how
comfortable i would be with the taildragging, clearance :)
thanks for any input you feel like giving :)
-guil
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| Subject: | Re: RV vs. Europa |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Miles McCallum" <milesm@avnet.co.uk>
> Also, it seems that there are thousands of people with RV's, and i hadnt
heard
> of the europa till just a few days ago.
1000 kits now sold (Peter Kember, who had the 1st customer built one flying,
is the purchaser...) in rather less time than RV took to sell 1000...
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
I, too, considered building an RV but elected to build a Europa instead for
several reasons, the two primary reasons being 1) it is NOT made of
aluminum, and 2) it is far more efficient. Having begun my engineering
career in the aluminum industry as a process engineer I know a few things
about the properties of aluminum, and having rented numerous aluminum
airplanes I've seen entirely too much corrosion (and this is in the
relatively benign southern California climate) to make me comfortable owning
a large expensive piece of aluminum that really wants to revert to aluminum
oxide. Toss in the much more efficient design of the Europa and the
decision, for me at least, was a no-brainer.
In my (not so) humble opinion, aluminum for aircraft will soon go the way of
wood for small boats, in each case being supplanted by composites, because
of the superior properties of composites. Even Boeing's next generation
will be mostly "plastic."
Another consideration for those of us building at home in residential areas
is noise. Were I to attempt to rivet in my garage I would soon have both
the homeowners association and the local police paying me a visit (and not
to admire my project either).
All foam is hot-wire cut and delivered ready to cover with epoxy-glass with
minimal preparation, so very little foam shaping is required, and what
little there is can be avoided by choosing the factory's "accelerated"
options.
Before you make your decision check out these sites: Tony Krzyzewski's
"build log" at http://www.kaon.co.nz/europa/index.html and the CAFE
Foundation's report on the Europa at
http://www.sonic.net/cafeweb/aprs/Europa%20APR.pdf for an unbiased analysis
of the aircraft's performance. The factory's web site
(http://www.europa-aircraft.com/) has links to many other useful sites.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Guil Barros
Subject: Europa-List: RV vs. Europa
--> Europa-List message posted by: Guil Barros <flight@metathusalan.com>
Let me start off by saying that im not trying to start a flame war :)
Im genuinly interested in hearing peoples thoughts on the subject, up untill
i
found out about europa kits a few days ago i was set on getting an RV-7A. Im
not so sure anymore.
Can someone tell me a little about whats involved in building an Europa? i
can
understand rivetting aluminum, but have never had any experience with
composite
materials. Will i have to shape foam to make parts? wings, etc?
Also, it seems that there are thousands of people with RV's, and i hadnt
heard
of the europa till just a few days ago. Whats the community like? Is there
anyone in arkansas who might want to give me a demo ride in one?
Im really interested in the europa, i love the idea of using a smaller, more
modern engine (lycomings make me cringe), the fantastic fuel consumption,
the
aestetics, etc... i guess im really comfortable with the idea of aluminum
still
though.
One other thing: i noticed that the prop-ground clearance on the monowheel
is
rather small, what are peoples thoughts on this? are there many
prop-strikes?
Right now im thinking i like the monowheel XL the most, but i need to see
how
comfortable i would be with the taildragging, clearance :)
thanks for any input you feel like giving :)
-guil
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| Subject: | Re: UK Weekday Fly-in |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Hello All,
I am sufficiently confident about the forecast for Thursday to confirm the
fly-in to Sleap for that day. I have arranged for the resturant to be open
and I am assured we will be made most welcome. I suggest we try to arrive
at 12.00hrs. I may not be the first to arrive, because I have a dental
appointment at 09.40, so I will do my best. I have had a request for pilots
to telephone the tower 01939232882 or radio 122.45 for joining instructions,
because they have set procedures. I think it is to do with Shawbury MATZ
rules. Shawbury tend to keep you on their frequency (120.77) until quite
late, so it is best to call Sleap first (if you haven't already telephoned )
before going to Shawbury prior to entering their zone.
Have a pleasant flight and I look forward to seeing you all tomorrow,
William
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "paul stewart" <paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
Apologies form the start for raising this one again, however. For those out there
who are using the Control Vision EXPbus, what is your understanding of the
OV protection it is supposed to offer. Even in the sample wiring diagram for
a Rotax installation on their web site it appears to be merely controling an alternator
field circuit which clearly cannot be appropriate to the Rotax fixed
magnet generator. The company themselves have been unable to shed any further
light on the situation. Before I revert to plan A - switches wires and CB's
has anyone using the EXPbus any advice to offer.
Regards
Paul Stewart #432
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
Dave,
I was doing that with mine and still had the problem! If you're
paranoid/ultra-cautious you may just want to check that technique on your
scales using Ron's torn-sheet-of-paper test. Let me have a snail-mail
address if you need a sheet of Letter - I've still got a bunch left over.
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings awaiting mods and closing
CM ready for installation in fuse (with airbrakes fittings), but holding off
while I do a load of small jobs first
1100 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moore, Dave
Subject: Europa-List: Faulty scales
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Moore, Dave" <Dave.Moore@lr.org>
Thank you Jeremy, thank you Ron, for bringing the problem of "sticking"
scales to our attention. I, too, have found it happening with my Ohaus
CS200 digital scales.
A tip for getting around it, when adding resin / hardener with syringes,
is to tap the rim of the cup gently with the tube on the syringe as you
get to the last few drops stage. It seems to 'un-stick' the scales.
I now have a routine for adding the last few tenths of a gram of
hardener or resin, of: 'drop' - 'tap' - 'drop' - 'tap' .........
Dave Moore
Monowheel #550
Just starting...
Aberdeen, UK.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
Rob covers it all really - I, too, considered the RV on my list, among
others, and chose the Europa. One other factor against the RV for me was
that I felt that it was just homebuilding the same sort of plane as I hired
at the time - PA28, etc. If I wanted a 'tin' plane with a thirsty engine
designed before the Mk 1 Ford Cortina, I'd have bought a second-hand
Warrior. I'm not saying tin is wrong, it just wasn't right for me.
As for the composite work, I want to reiterate the noise (or lack of!)
issue. Also, I really enjoy working with the composites. I got huge pleasure
from doing the best job I could with the tail kit even though I started with
no experience.
Enjoy your choosing. Enjoy building your choice more. Enjoy flying it most!
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings awaiting mods and closing
CM ready for installation in fuse (with airbrakes fittings), but holding off
while I do a load of small jobs first
1100 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Housman
Subject: RE: Europa-List: RV vs. Europa
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
I, too, considered building an RV but elected to build a Europa instead for
several reasons, the two primary reasons being 1) it is NOT made of
aluminum, and 2) it is far more efficient. Having begun my engineering
career in the aluminum industry as a process engineer I know a few things
about the properties of aluminum, and having rented numerous aluminum
airplanes I've seen entirely too much corrosion (and this is in the
relatively benign southern California climate) to make me comfortable owning
a large expensive piece of aluminum that really wants to revert to aluminum
oxide. Toss in the much more efficient design of the Europa and the
decision, for me at least, was a no-brainer.
In my (not so) humble opinion, aluminum for aircraft will soon go the way of
wood for small boats, in each case being supplanted by composites, because
of the superior properties of composites. Even Boeing's next generation
will be mostly "plastic."
Another consideration for those of us building at home in residential areas
is noise. Were I to attempt to rivet in my garage I would soon have both
the homeowners association and the local police paying me a visit (and not
to admire my project either).
All foam is hot-wire cut and delivered ready to cover with epoxy-glass with
minimal preparation, so very little foam shaping is required, and what
little there is can be avoided by choosing the factory's "accelerated"
options.
Before you make your decision check out these sites: Tony Krzyzewski's
"build log" at http://www.kaon.co.nz/europa/index.html and the CAFE
Foundation's report on the Europa at
http://www.sonic.net/cafeweb/aprs/Europa%20APR.pdf for an unbiased analysis
of the aircraft's performance. The factory's web site
(http://www.europa-aircraft.com/) has links to many other useful sites.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Guil Barros
Subject: Europa-List: RV vs. Europa
--> Europa-List message posted by: Guil Barros <flight@metathusalan.com>
Let me start off by saying that im not trying to start a flame war :)
Im genuinly interested in hearing peoples thoughts on the subject, up untill
i
found out about europa kits a few days ago i was set on getting an RV-7A. Im
not so sure anymore.
Can someone tell me a little about whats involved in building an Europa? i
can
understand rivetting aluminum, but have never had any experience with
composite
materials. Will i have to shape foam to make parts? wings, etc?
Also, it seems that there are thousands of people with RV's, and i hadnt
heard
of the europa till just a few days ago. Whats the community like? Is there
anyone in arkansas who might want to give me a demo ride in one?
Im really interested in the europa, i love the idea of using a smaller, more
modern engine (lycomings make me cringe), the fantastic fuel consumption,
the
aestetics, etc... i guess im really comfortable with the idea of aluminum
still
though.
One other thing: i noticed that the prop-ground clearance on the monowheel
is
rather small, what are peoples thoughts on this? are there many
prop-strikes?
Right now im thinking i like the monowheel XL the most, but i need to see
how
comfortable i would be with the taildragging, clearance :)
thanks for any input you feel like giving :)
-guil
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Accessories |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Fogg" <bcfogg@onetel.net.uk>
Hello Tim
I'm interested in one of the fuel filler pipes they look good from the
photo, how do I pay ?
Regards Brian Fogg (385) UK
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Accessories
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tim Ward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
>
> Europa Builders.
>
> Finally coming to the end of the project before ZK-TIM (#292 Monowheel
> Classic ) hopefully takes to the air shortly.
> During building I have included these accessories to my aircraft that
> builders may be interested in.
> Photos of these are in the attachments below.
> 1. Leather Control Column Boots.
> To protect the control column universal. Come in a number of colours.
> 82 builders have these leather boots now.
> 2. Leather Propeller Tip covers.
> To protect the Propeller blade tips for the Airmaster Prop and others.
> Bright colours to stop my children running into them as well as
> following cars!
> 3. Fuel filler pipe.
> To avoid fuel fumes getting into the cockpit via the rubber hosing that
> some builders have had trouble with. No welding, bent to 53 degrees.
>
> Please email me if you are interested.
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
> --
> Timothy P Ward
> 12 Waiwetu Street,
> Fendalton,
> Christchurch,
> NEW ZEALAND
>
> Ph. 0064 3 3515166
> email ward.t@xtra.co.nz
> Mobile 025 2649325
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: UK Weekday Fly-in |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Fogg" <bcfogg@onetel.net.uk>
William
Aeroplane not finished yet, tried running down the road with arms and ears
flapping but unable to reach V1 so I will drive instead. See you there.(
weather permitting )
Regards Brian Fogg ( 385 )
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: UK Weekday Fly-in
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
<combined.merchants@virgin.net>
>
> Hello All,
> Weather is still looking OK for Thursday and Friday is looking OK for a
> fall-back if necessary. Four Europas comming so far (not including those
> based at Sleap). Any advance on four?
> Best wishes,
> William
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV vs. Europa |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
I also cdnsidered an RV. I choose the Europa for several reasons.
The entire fire wall forward kit is less than a lyc.
It burns less fuel
I can put it on trailer and bring it home, this saves $500/mo in my area
I couldn't see myself driving all those rivets.
I can add sail plane wings later if I wish.
No jigs required, the RV might, but not sure.
Almost everything can be done alone.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Davey" <jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: RV vs. Europa
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey"
<jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
>
> Rob covers it all really - I, too, considered the RV on my list, among
> others, and chose the Europa. One other factor against the RV for me was
> that I felt that it was just homebuilding the same sort of plane as I
hired
> at the time - PA28, etc. If I wanted a 'tin' plane with a thirsty engine
> designed before the Mk 1 Ford Cortina, I'd have bought a second-hand
> Warrior. I'm not saying tin is wrong, it just wasn't right for me.
>
> As for the composite work, I want to reiterate the noise (or lack of!)
> issue. Also, I really enjoy working with the composites. I got huge
pleasure
> from doing the best job I could with the tail kit even though I started
with
> no experience.
>
> Enjoy your choosing. Enjoy building your choice more. Enjoy flying it
most!
>
> Regards,
> Jeremy
>
> Jeremy Davey
>
> Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
>
> Tail done
> Standard XS wings awaiting mods and closing
> CM ready for installation in fuse (with airbrakes fittings), but holding
off
> while I do a load of small jobs first
> 1100 build hours to date
>
> Intended fit:
> Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
> Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Housman
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: RV vs. Europa
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
>
> I, too, considered building an RV but elected to build a Europa instead
for
> several reasons, the two primary reasons being 1) it is NOT made of
> aluminum, and 2) it is far more efficient. Having begun my engineering
> career in the aluminum industry as a process engineer I know a few things
> about the properties of aluminum, and having rented numerous aluminum
> airplanes I've seen entirely too much corrosion (and this is in the
> relatively benign southern California climate) to make me comfortable
owning
> a large expensive piece of aluminum that really wants to revert to
aluminum
> oxide. Toss in the much more efficient design of the Europa and the
> decision, for me at least, was a no-brainer.
>
> In my (not so) humble opinion, aluminum for aircraft will soon go the way
of
> wood for small boats, in each case being supplanted by composites, because
> of the superior properties of composites. Even Boeing's next generation
> will be mostly "plastic."
>
> Another consideration for those of us building at home in residential
areas
> is noise. Were I to attempt to rivet in my garage I would soon have both
> the homeowners association and the local police paying me a visit (and not
> to admire my project either).
>
> All foam is hot-wire cut and delivered ready to cover with epoxy-glass
with
> minimal preparation, so very little foam shaping is required, and what
> little there is can be avoided by choosing the factory's "accelerated"
> options.
>
> Before you make your decision check out these sites: Tony Krzyzewski's
> "build log" at http://www.kaon.co.nz/europa/index.html and the CAFE
> Foundation's report on the Europa at
> http://www.sonic.net/cafeweb/aprs/Europa%20APR.pdf for an unbiased
analysis
> of the aircraft's performance. The factory's web site
> (http://www.europa-aircraft.com/) has links to many other useful sites.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rob Housman
> Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
> Airframe complete
> Irvine, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Guil Barros
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: RV vs. Europa
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Guil Barros <flight@metathusalan.com>
>
> Let me start off by saying that im not trying to start a flame war :)
>
> Im genuinly interested in hearing peoples thoughts on the subject, up
untill
> i
> found out about europa kits a few days ago i was set on getting an RV-7A.
Im
> not so sure anymore.
>
> Can someone tell me a little about whats involved in building an Europa? i
> can
> understand rivetting aluminum, but have never had any experience with
> composite
> materials. Will i have to shape foam to make parts? wings, etc?
>
> Also, it seems that there are thousands of people with RV's, and i hadnt
> heard
> of the europa till just a few days ago. Whats the community like? Is there
> anyone in arkansas who might want to give me a demo ride in one?
>
> Im really interested in the europa, i love the idea of using a smaller,
more
> modern engine (lycomings make me cringe), the fantastic fuel consumption,
> the
> aestetics, etc... i guess im really comfortable with the idea of aluminum
> still
> though.
>
> One other thing: i noticed that the prop-ground clearance on the monowheel
> is
> rather small, what are peoples thoughts on this? are there many
> prop-strikes?
>
> Right now im thinking i like the monowheel XL the most, but i need to see
> how
> comfortable i would be with the taildragging, clearance :)
>
> thanks for any input you feel like giving :)
>
> -guil
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
Before spending big bucks for the ExpBus check out
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/expbusad.html
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of paul stewart
Subject: Europa-List: OV protection
--> Europa-List message posted by: "paul stewart"
<paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
Apologies form the start for raising this one again, however. For those out
there who are using the Control Vision EXPbus, what is your understanding of
the OV protection it is supposed to offer. Even in the sample wiring diagram
for a Rotax installation on their web site it appears to be merely
controling an alternator field circuit which clearly cannot be appropriate
to the Rotax fixed magnet generator. The company themselves have been unable
to shed any further light on the situation. Before I revert to plan A -
switches wires and CB's has anyone using the EXPbus any advice to offer.
Regards
Paul Stewart #432
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| Subject: | Re: OV protection |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 11/26/03 2:09 PM, paul stewart at paul-d.stewart@virgin.net wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "paul stewart" <paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
>
> Apologies form the start for raising this one again, however. For those out
> there who are using the Control Vision EXPbus, what is your understanding of
> the OV protection it is supposed to offer. Even in the sample wiring diagram
> for a Rotax installation on their web site it appears to be merely controling
> an alternator field circuit which clearly cannot be appropriate to the Rotax
> fixed magnet generator. The company themselves have been unable to shed any
> further light on the situation. Before I revert to plan A - switches wires and
> CB's has anyone using the EXPbus any advice to offer.
>
> Regards
>
> Paul Stewart #432
>
>
>
>
>
>
Paul,
I have heard bad things about the EXP bus from a lot of highly experienced
people I don't want to name on this forum. However I have heard very good
things from the same people about the power panel right above it in ACS
catalog. Part # 11-675 or 11680. These are put out by composite design out
of Florida. Thinking of going that way myself.
Jeff
A258
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| Subject: | Re: RV vs. Europa |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
Don't underestimate the importance of the sail wings (motor glider wings). If
you ever lose your medical you can still fly a motorglider without one...and the
motorglider is darn near as fast as the regular Europa XS!
Once you get a ride in a Europa you'll be hooked...they are rock solid steady.
Also you'll have a truly unique plane...unlike the RV's which seem to be everywhere.
If you get to Los Angeles area look me up... mine is ready for test flying and
I only await FAA (DAR) approval.
Paul Boulet, Malibu, CA N914PB
John & Amy Eckel <eckel1@comcast.net> wrote:
--> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel"
I also cdnsidered an RV. I choose the Europa for several reasons.
The entire fire wall forward kit is less than a lyc.
It burns less fuel
I can put it on trailer and bring it home, this saves $500/mo in my area
I couldn't see myself driving all those rivets.
I can add sail plane wings later if I wish.
No jigs required, the RV might, but not sure.
Almost everything can be done alone.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Davey"
Subject: RE: Europa-List: RV vs. Europa
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey"
>
> Rob covers it all really - I, too, considered the RV on my list, among
> others, and chose the Europa. One other factor against the RV for me was
> that I felt that it was just homebuilding the same sort of plane as I
hired
> at the time - PA28, etc. If I wanted a 'tin' plane with a thirsty engine
> designed before the Mk 1 Ford Cortina, I'd have bought a second-hand
> Warrior. I'm not saying tin is wrong, it just wasn't right for me.
>
> As for the composite work, I want to reiterate the noise (or lack of!)
> issue. Also, I really enjoy working with the composites. I got huge
pleasure
> from doing the best job I could with the tail kit even though I started
with
> no experience.
>
> Enjoy your choosing. Enjoy building your choice more. Enjoy flying it
most!
>
> Regards,
> Jeremy
>
> Jeremy Davey
>
> Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
>
> Tail done
> Standard XS wings awaiting mods and closing
> CM ready for installation in fuse (with airbrakes fittings), but holding
off
> while I do a load of small jobs first
> 1100 build hours to date
>
> Intended fit:
> Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
> Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Housman
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: RV vs. Europa
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman"
>
> I, too, considered building an RV but elected to build a Europa instead
for
> several reasons, the two primary reasons being 1) it is NOT made of
> aluminum, and 2) it is far more efficient. Having begun my engineering
> career in the aluminum industry as a process engineer I know a few things
> about the properties of aluminum, and having rented numerous aluminum
> airplanes I've seen entirely too much corrosion (and this is in the
> relatively benign southern California climate) to make me comfortable
owning
> a large expensive piece of aluminum that really wants to revert to
aluminum
> oxide. Toss in the much more efficient design of the Europa and the
> decision, for me at least, was a no-brainer.
>
> In my (not so) humble opinion, aluminum for aircraft will soon go the way
of
> wood for small boats, in each case being supplanted by composites, because
> of the superior properties of composites. Even Boeing's next generation
> will be mostly "plastic."
>
> Another consideration for those of us building at home in residential
areas
> is noise. Were I to attempt to rivet in my garage I would soon have both
> the homeowners association and the local police paying me a visit (and not
> to admire my project either).
>
> All foam is hot-wire cut and delivered ready to cover with epoxy-glass
with
> minimal preparation, so very little foam shaping is required, and what
> little there is can be avoided by choosing the factory's "accelerated"
> options.
>
> Before you make your decision check out these sites: Tony Krzyzewski's
> "build log" at http://www.kaon.co.nz/europa/index.html and the CAFE
> Foundation's report on the Europa at
> http://www.sonic.net/cafeweb/aprs/Europa%20APR.pdf for an unbiased
analysis
> of the aircraft's performance. The factory's web site
> (http://www.europa-aircraft.com/) has links to many other useful sites.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rob Housman
> Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
> Airframe complete
> Irvine, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Guil Barros
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: RV vs. Europa
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Guil Barros
>
> Let me start off by saying that im not trying to start a flame war :)
>
> Im genuinly interested in hearing peoples thoughts on the subject, up
untill
> i
> found out about europa kits a few days ago i was set on getting an RV-7A.
Im
> not so sure anymore.
>
> Can someone tell me a little about whats involved in building an Europa? i
> can
> understand rivetting aluminum, but have never had any experience with
> composite
> materials. Will i have to shape foam to make parts? wings, etc?
>
> Also, it seems that there are thousands of people with RV's, and i hadnt
> heard
> of the europa till just a few days ago. Whats the community like? Is there
> anyone in arkansas who might want to give me a demo ride in one?
>
> Im really interested in the europa, i love the idea of using a smaller,
more
> modern engine (lycomings make me cringe), the fantastic fuel consumption,
> the
> aestetics, etc... i guess im really comfortable with the idea of aluminum
> still
> though.
>
> One other thing: i noticed that the prop-ground clearance on the monowheel
> is
> rather small, what are peoples thoughts on this? are there many
> prop-strikes?
>
> Right now im thinking i like the monowheel XL the most, but i need to see
> how
> comfortable i would be with the taildragging, clearance :)
>
> thanks for any input you feel like giving :)
>
> -guil
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Accessories |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tim Ward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
Brian,
Many thanks for the interest in the fuel filler pipe. I will be over in
Londontown on the 5th 6th and 7th, so I can bring it with me then.
Easiest way to pay is to post a cheque to me to the address below. I will
email you when I have it and when I post the Pipe.
Cheers,
Tim
Brian Fogg wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Fogg" <bcfogg@onetel.net.uk>
>
> Hello Tim
>
> I'm interested in one of the fuel filler pipes they look good from the
> photo, how do I pay ?
>
> Regards Brian Fogg (385) UK
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Europa Accessories
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Tim Ward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
> >
> > Europa Builders.
> >
> > Finally coming to the end of the project before ZK-TIM (#292 Monowheel
> > Classic ) hopefully takes to the air shortly.
> > During building I have included these accessories to my aircraft that
> > builders may be interested in.
> > Photos of these are in the attachments below.
> > 1. Leather Control Column Boots.
> > To protect the control column universal. Come in a number of colours.
> > 82 builders have these leather boots now.
> > 2. Leather Propeller Tip covers.
> > To protect the Propeller blade tips for the Airmaster Prop and others.
> > Bright colours to stop my children running into them as well as
> > following cars!
> > 3. Fuel filler pipe.
> > To avoid fuel fumes getting into the cockpit via the rubber hosing that
> > some builders have had trouble with. No welding, bent to 53 degrees.
> >
> > Please email me if you are interested.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Tim
> > --
> > Timothy P Ward
> > 12 Waiwetu Street,
> > Fendalton,
> > Christchurch,
> > NEW ZEALAND
> >
> > Ph. 0064 3 3515166
> > email ward.t@xtra.co.nz
> > Mobile 025 2649325
> >
> >
>
--
Timothy P Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch,
NEW ZEALAND
Ph. 0064 3 3515166
email ward.t@xtra.co.nz
Mobile 025 2649325
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| Subject: | Re: RV or Europa |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Guil Barros <flight@metathusalan.com>
Let me start with THANKS! ive received boatloads of good responses and comments.
This has clearly solved my problems with lack of community/support versus the
RV :)
please keep sending me thoughts if you have something to say, im still
interested in hearing what others have to say.
I've pretty much decided on going for the Europa, ill probably be going to one
of the builders starter things as soon as i do some more research and take a
demo ride with someone.
Couple of questions:
-what kind of engines are people using out there? the rotax seems nice, but VERY
expensive... jabiru seems nice, i need to do more research...
-cs prop? is it really worth it? never flown a CS, the idea seems interesting,
but im not sure its really $4k interesting :)
-what kind of fuel consumption/cruise speed/range are people getting on what
engines? the numbers on the factory page seem too good to be true...
-composite/foam... like in a surf board?
-how messy/touchy is working with this? ive never done anything with composites
or fiberglass or anything like that...
-how does it take rain or temperature changes? the DIamond Air composite planes
cant fly if its too hot out... or something like that :)
thanks again,
-guil
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Guil Barros <flight@metathusalan.com>
A couple of quick questions... (more of them :) )
can i get the builders manual from the factory before buying the kit? their
website is pretty bad when it comes to details :)
what kind of mods have people done?
thx,
-guil
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
Before you make your decision check out these sites: Tony Krzyzewski's
"build log" at http://www.kaon.co.nz/europa/index.html
... But please realise that Tony built a 'Classic' Europa with wet layup
everything, had done numerous mods and is also busy running a company at
the same time. As a result his is a rather slow build. He's confident
that he could build an XS kit from scratch in about 18 months (if he got
enough break from work).
Regards
Tony Krzyzewski :)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
In a message dated 11/26/2003 4:39:44 PM Pacific Standard Time,
flight@metathusalan.com writes:
> -how messy/touchy is working with this? ive never done anything with
> composites
> or fiberglass or anything like that...
>
One word of advise form me regarding working with epoxy. Treat it as if
poison and use proper breathing protection and skin protection. Treat it as
hazardous for at least two days after lay-up is cured. This if from a person who
has
developed a reaction to it in the form of headaches. I didn't get them for
about 5 months into the project. I wish I had taken the precautions I how take.
you can't really smell the stuff and you won't know you have a problem unit it
is too late.
As for ease of use - it is very easy to work with.
Dave
A227 Mini U2
Flight time now 131 hours.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Quick question.......any builders in the Las Vegas area? Gonna be in town
towards the end of December and would appreciate some information.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Cockpit module installed, tailplane torque tube in place, landing gear frame
installed, still awaiting replacement bolts from the UK in order to assemble
my pitch torque tube.
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