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1. 02:03 AM - Re: Europa Accessories (Brian Fogg)
2. 03:43 AM - Re: Info or manual? (Kingsley Hurst)
3. 07:20 AM - Europa Club website problems continue (Rowland Carson)
4. 08:09 AM - Re: Europa Accessories (Tim Ward)
5. 08:25 AM - Re: RV vs. Europa (Paul McAllister)
6. 10:12 AM - Re: Europa Accessories (DeeBickel)
7. 11:08 AM - insurance? (Guil Barros)
8. 11:42 AM - Re: Info or manual? (R.C.Harrison)
9. 12:35 PM - Re: Info or manual? (Kingsley Hurst)
10. 01:02 PM - Re: Info or manual? (Rowland Carson)
11. 01:54 PM - Bank Cheque????????? (Tony Renshaw)
12. 02:23 PM - Re: Info or manual? (Cliff Shaw)
13. 06:28 PM - OV protection (Graham Singleton)
14. 08:12 PM - Re: OV protection (n3eu@comcast.net)
15. 08:14 PM - Re: Re: RV or Europa (n3eu@comcast.net)
16. 08:24 PM - No Smoke! (Steve Hagar)
17. 09:13 PM - Re: No Smoke! (n3eu@comcast.net)
18. 09:57 PM - Re: UK Weekday Fly-in (William Mills)
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Accessories |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Fogg" <bcfogg@onetel.net.uk>
Hi Tim
I live near Manchester (EGCC) and was due to be near the south coast over
that weekend doing some 727 Sim work but that has been postponed for a
couple of weeks so, could you post it when you get here? Give me a call on
01477 535167 and I will call you back and have a chat if you wish.
My address is: 35 Woodlands Drive
Goostrey
Cheshire
CW4 8JH
Is payment in Stirling OK or would you prefer some other system?
Regards
Brian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Accessories
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tim Ward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
>
> Brian,
> Many thanks for the interest in the fuel filler pipe. I will be over in
> Londontown on the 5th 6th and 7th, so I can bring it with me then.
> Easiest way to pay is to post a cheque to me to the address below. I will
> email you when I have it and when I post the Pipe.
> Cheers,
> Tim
>
> Brian Fogg wrote:
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Fogg" <bcfogg@onetel.net.uk>
> >
> > Hello Tim
> >
> > I'm interested in one of the fuel filler pipes they look good from the
> > photo, how do I pay ?
> >
> > Regards Brian Fogg (385) UK
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Europa-List: Europa Accessories
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: Tim Ward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
> > >
> > > Europa Builders.
> > >
> > > Finally coming to the end of the project before ZK-TIM (#292 Monowheel
> > > Classic ) hopefully takes to the air shortly.
> > > During building I have included these accessories to my aircraft that
> > > builders may be interested in.
> > > Photos of these are in the attachments below.
> > > 1. Leather Control Column Boots.
> > > To protect the control column universal. Come in a number of colours.
> > > 82 builders have these leather boots now.
> > > 2. Leather Propeller Tip covers.
> > > To protect the Propeller blade tips for the Airmaster Prop and others.
> > > Bright colours to stop my children running into them as well as
> > > following cars!
> > > 3. Fuel filler pipe.
> > > To avoid fuel fumes getting into the cockpit via the rubber hosing
that
> > > some builders have had trouble with. No welding, bent to 53 degrees.
> > >
> > > Please email me if you are interested.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Tim
> > > --
> > > Timothy P Ward
> > > 12 Waiwetu Street,
> > > Fendalton,
> > > Christchurch,
> > > NEW ZEALAND
> > >
> > > Ph. 0064 3 3515166
> > > email ward.t@xtra.co.nz
> > > Mobile 025 2649325
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> --
> Timothy P Ward
> 12 Waiwetu Street,
> Fendalton,
> Christchurch,
> NEW ZEALAND
>
> Ph. 0064 3 3515166
> email ward.t@xtra.co.nz
> Mobile 025 2649325
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Info or manual? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Guil Barros wrote :
> can i get the builders manual from the factory before buying the kit?
their
> website is pretty bad when it comes to details :)
Guil,
As far as I know manuals are available from Europa. Maybe the price would
be refundable on purchase of a kit........suggest you check this out. I am
sure the Europa manual would be as good as if not better than any other kit
available.
Rather than purchase a manual, I think a better idea would be to find a
Europa builder and sit in on some work being carried out..... you could
check out the manual at the same time. Seeing a bit of glass work being
done will rid you of any fears you may have of working with glass. Believe
me, you could not be more apprehensive than I was before I started and now
when I look back I cannot help wondering what the hell I was worried about.
> what kind of mods have people done?
Too many to list here. Try searching the archives of this list for a bit of
an idea. I think doing mods is the bane of 98% of builders but we all have
to put our mark of individuality on our aircraft and I must admit being
guilty of this too. I would probably be flying if I wasn't!
As with everything in life, there are many choices available and in deciding
what to build you will always have to trade off one thing for another. If
you decide to go the same way as we have, (and it would be good if you do)
I'm sure you will not be disappointed.
Kingsley Hurst
Mono Classic 281 in Oz
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| Subject: | Europa Club website problems continue |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
Sorry to all those who've been trying to to get in to the
members-only section of the Europa Club website.
Our efforts to get Aviators Network to fix what went wrong have so
far produced no fruit.
I'll post news when we get them to fix it (or when we move to another host!).
regards
Rowland
--
| Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary
| Europa 435 G-ROWI (660 hours building) PFA #16532
| e-mail <memsec@europaclub.org.uk> website <www.europaclub.org.uk>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Accessories |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tim Ward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
Brian,
Payment in Sterling is OK. Will give you a phone when in Londontown. Many
thanks, Tim
Brian Fogg wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Fogg" <bcfogg@onetel.net.uk>
>
> Hi Tim
>
> I live near Manchester (EGCC) and was due to be near the south coast over
> that weekend doing some 727 Sim work but that has been postponed for a
> couple of weeks so, could you post it when you get here? Give me a call on
> 01477 535167 and I will call you back and have a chat if you wish.
> My address is: 35 Woodlands Drive
> Goostrey
> Cheshire
> CW4 8JH
> Is payment in Stirling OK or would you prefer some other system?
>
> Regards
> Brian
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Accessories
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Tim Ward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
> >
> > Brian,
> > Many thanks for the interest in the fuel filler pipe. I will be over in
> > Londontown on the 5th 6th and 7th, so I can bring it with me then.
> > Easiest way to pay is to post a cheque to me to the address below. I will
> > email you when I have it and when I post the Pipe.
> > Cheers,
> > Tim
> >
> > Brian Fogg wrote:
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Fogg" <bcfogg@onetel.net.uk>
> > >
> > > Hello Tim
> > >
> > > I'm interested in one of the fuel filler pipes they look good from the
> > > photo, how do I pay ?
> > >
> > > Regards Brian Fogg (385) UK
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
> > > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Europa-List: Europa Accessories
> > >
> > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: Tim Ward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
> > > >
> > > > Europa Builders.
> > > >
> > > > Finally coming to the end of the project before ZK-TIM (#292 Monowheel
> > > > Classic ) hopefully takes to the air shortly.
> > > > During building I have included these accessories to my aircraft that
> > > > builders may be interested in.
> > > > Photos of these are in the attachments below.
> > > > 1. Leather Control Column Boots.
> > > > To protect the control column universal. Come in a number of colours.
> > > > 82 builders have these leather boots now.
> > > > 2. Leather Propeller Tip covers.
> > > > To protect the Propeller blade tips for the Airmaster Prop and others.
> > > > Bright colours to stop my children running into them as well as
> > > > following cars!
> > > > 3. Fuel filler pipe.
> > > > To avoid fuel fumes getting into the cockpit via the rubber hosing
> that
> > > > some builders have had trouble with. No welding, bent to 53 degrees.
> > > >
> > > > Please email me if you are interested.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Tim
> > > > --
> > > > Timothy P Ward
> > > > 12 Waiwetu Street,
> > > > Fendalton,
> > > > Christchurch,
> > > > NEW ZEALAND
> > > >
> > > > Ph. 0064 3 3515166
> > > > email ward.t@xtra.co.nz
> > > > Mobile 025 2649325
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Timothy P Ward
> > 12 Waiwetu Street,
> > Fendalton,
> > Christchurch,
> > NEW ZEALAND
> >
> > Ph. 0064 3 3515166
> > email ward.t@xtra.co.nz
> > Mobile 025 2649325
> >
> >
>
--
Timothy P Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch,
NEW ZEALAND
Ph. 0064 3 3515166
email ward.t@xtra.co.nz
Mobile 025 2649325
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| Subject: | Re: RV vs. Europa |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi Guil,
I would like to offer up a few comments. I have about 25 hours of flight
time in an RV6, including a cross country trip from Milwaukee to Florida. I
only have about 2.5 hours flight time in a Europa with no cross country
time, however I can make some observations about both aircraft.
The first is the amount of room. I don't know the cockpit width of an RV6,
however it feels smaller. The Europa looks "snug", however it is more like
sitting in a car and it feels like there is more room between the pilot and
passenger.
The baggage bay in the Europa is a little larger and more accessible than
the sliding top RV. The tilt top RV would have better accessibility.
The flying qualities are different. When compared to a Cessna, the RV6 is
responsive and exciting, however some aspects are not so terrific. The
stability is neutral and while that is fun it is a pain on a long cross
country. I flew an RV6 in IMC for about 90 minutes and it was a lot of
work. I shared the work load 30 minutes about with the other pilot and I
sure glad they were there.
The Europa is delightful to fly, the controls are light and responsive,
however the aircraft has more natural stability the RV, but the biggest
difference I noticed was vibration. The all metal RV seemed to be harsher,
the airframe does not seem to have the same ability to dampen the vibrations
like the Europa. I suspect the lower RPM of the aero engine contributes to
this. After several hours this becomes very fatiguing.
The Europa has other advantages which may be important. It is very easy to
trailer and move between home and the airport. I have just brought mine
back from the paint shop and it would have been a real pain if it was a
conventional aircraft. The Europa is very economical, and runs on
automotive fuel. The cost differential in the US is significant, in Europe
is huge. Other things to contemplate are the availability of glider wings.
In the US this allows you to fly without a medical, (even IFR) and at
altitude it is possible to cruise the glider wing model 150 knots.
As far as building is concerned, I had no experience with composite
construction and the RV was my first choice based on my building abilities.
I found composite construction much easier than I thought and I have leant a
new skill. You are welcome to look at my construction diary at
http://europa363.versadev.com/. I have been at the project for 5 years,
however in that time I have moved the project 3 times, including from
Australia to the US and I have a very demanding job. The XS kit has now
evolved since I purchased mine with options such as pre constructed cockpit
modules and pre-skinned flying surfaces that literally take years of the
construction process. A build time of less than 2 years would be
achievable, even faster if you have had a lot of model aircraft construction
experience.
Good luck with your decision, Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guil Barros" <flight@metathusalan.com>
Subject: Europa-List: RV vs. Europa
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Guil Barros <flight@metathusalan.com>
>
> Let me start off by saying that im not trying to start a flame war :)
>
> Im genuinly interested in hearing peoples thoughts on the subject, up
untill i
> found out about europa kits a few days ago i was set on getting an RV-7A.
Im
> not so sure anymore.
>
> Can someone tell me a little about whats involved in building an Europa? i
can
> understand rivetting aluminum, but have never had any experience with
composite
> materials. Will i have to shape foam to make parts? wings, etc?
>
> Also, it seems that there are thousands of people with RV's, and i hadnt
heard
> of the europa till just a few days ago. Whats the community like? Is there
> anyone in arkansas who might want to give me a demo ride in one?
>
> Im really interested in the europa, i love the idea of using a smaller,
more
> modern engine (lycomings make me cringe), the fantastic fuel consumption,
the
> aestetics, etc... i guess im really comfortable with the idea of aluminum
still
> though.
>
> One other thing: i noticed that the prop-ground clearance on the monowheel
is
> rather small, what are peoples thoughts on this? are there many
prop-strikes?
>
> Right now im thinking i like the monowheel XL the most, but i need to see
how
> comfortable i would be with the taildragging, clearance :)
>
> thanks for any input you feel like giving :)
>
> -guil
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Accessories |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "DeeBickel" <deebickel@wol.co.za>
Hi Brian,
This is a long shot, are you the Brian who was a member of 120 Squadron ATC
in Hendon a few years back?
I was too and now live in South Africa, 3/4 of the way through building Mono
kit 521.
Regards,
Richard. ( was called Dick back then!)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Fogg" <bcfogg@onetel.net.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Accessories
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Fogg" <bcfogg@onetel.net.uk>
>
> Hi Tim
>
> I live near Manchester (EGCC) and was due to be near the south coast over
> that weekend doing some 727 Sim work but that has been postponed for a
> couple of weeks so, could you post it when you get here? Give me a call on
> 01477 535167 and I will call you back and have a chat if you wish.
> My address is: 35 Woodlands Drive
> Goostrey
> Cheshire
> CW4 8JH
> Is payment in Stirling OK or would you prefer some other system?
>
> Regards
> Brian
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Accessories
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Tim Ward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
> >
> > Brian,
> > Many thanks for the interest in the fuel filler pipe. I will be over in
> > Londontown on the 5th 6th and 7th, so I can bring it with me then.
> > Easiest way to pay is to post a cheque to me to the address below. I
will
> > email you when I have it and when I post the Pipe.
> > Cheers,
> > Tim
> >
> > Brian Fogg wrote:
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Fogg" <bcfogg@onetel.net.uk>
> > >
> > > Hello Tim
> > >
> > > I'm interested in one of the fuel filler pipes they look good from the
> > > photo, how do I pay ?
> > >
> > > Regards Brian Fogg (385) UK
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
> > > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Europa-List: Europa Accessories
> > >
> > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: Tim Ward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
> > > >
> > > > Europa Builders.
> > > >
> > > > Finally coming to the end of the project before ZK-TIM (#292
Monowheel
> > > > Classic ) hopefully takes to the air shortly.
> > > > During building I have included these accessories to my aircraft
that
> > > > builders may be interested in.
> > > > Photos of these are in the attachments below.
> > > > 1. Leather Control Column Boots.
> > > > To protect the control column universal. Come in a number of
colours.
> > > > 82 builders have these leather boots now.
> > > > 2. Leather Propeller Tip covers.
> > > > To protect the Propeller blade tips for the Airmaster Prop and
others.
> > > > Bright colours to stop my children running into them as well as
> > > > following cars!
> > > > 3. Fuel filler pipe.
> > > > To avoid fuel fumes getting into the cockpit via the rubber hosing
> that
> > > > some builders have had trouble with. No welding, bent to 53 degrees.
> > > >
> > > > Please email me if you are interested.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Tim
> > > > --
> > > > Timothy P Ward
> > > > 12 Waiwetu Street,
> > > > Fendalton,
> > > > Christchurch,
> > > > NEW ZEALAND
> > > >
> > > > Ph. 0064 3 3515166
> > > > email ward.t@xtra.co.nz
> > > > Mobile 025 2649325
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Timothy P Ward
> > 12 Waiwetu Street,
> > Fendalton,
> > Christchurch,
> > NEW ZEALAND
> >
> > Ph. 0064 3 3515166
> > email ward.t@xtra.co.nz
> > Mobile 025 2649325
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Guil Barros <flight@metathusalan.com>
how have people fared with insuring europas in the US? are the rates reasonable?
what kind of rates have you gotten? what insurance companies?
thanks,
-guil
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| Subject: | Re: Info or manual? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Guil.
This guy Kingsley Hurst speaks a lot of good sense about the Europa but
watch him he belongs to a culture that isn't too good at RUGBY !!!!
All in jest really. He'll probably have some sour grapes about our
cricketers, that's why we just may stop importing their wine.!!!!
He specialises in some great "knock the pommie" jokes too!
BTW see my a/c at http://www.crix.org.uk Click onto "Bob Harrison's
Europa G-PTAG " and enjoy the mods too!
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300 (450 hours)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Info or manual?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst"
<hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Do not archive
Bob Harrison wrote:
>This guy Kingsley Hurst..........belongs to a culture that isn't too
good at RUGBY !!!!
If losing means getting flack like this, I now know why the Aussies
usually win!
> He specialises in some great "knock the pommie" jokes too!
Yes and it was meant to go to the list but I stuffed up.
Guess what? There's more!!
Kingsley
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| Subject: | Re: Info or manual? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
On 2003 11 26 at 19:43 -0600, Guil Barros wrote:
>can i get the builders manual from the factory before buying the kit
Guil - all new members of the Europa Club receive a CD-ROM with
(among many other goodies) the airframe and firewall-forward manuals
(912 & 914) as PDFs. Theses files are also available on the
members-only section of the Europa Club website
<http://www.europaclub.org.uk> (when Aviators Network can fix the
server it's hosted on). Let me know at <memsec@europaclub.org.uk> if
you want more info on the Europa Club.
>what kind of mods have people done?
See the Club website for some info via links to builders' own
websites. The Europa Club CD-ROM includes a listing of all known mods
by name, cross-referenced to kit number.
regards
Rowland
--
| Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary
| Europa 435 G-ROWI (660 hours building) PFA #16532
| e-mail <memsec@europaclub.org.uk> website <www.europaclub.org.uk>
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| Subject: | Bank Cheque????????? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Tim,
Are you happy with a Westpac bank cheque made out to you in NZ dollars???
Reg
Tony Renshaw
At 01:31 PM 11/27/2003 +1300, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Tim Ward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
>
>Brian,
>Many thanks for the interest in the fuel filler pipe. I will be over in
>Londontown on the 5th 6th and 7th, so I can bring it with me then.
>Easiest way to pay is to post a cheque to me to the address below. I will
>email you when I have it and when I post the Pipe.
>Cheers,
>Tim
>
>Brian Fogg wrote:
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Fogg" <bcfogg@onetel.net.uk>
>>
>> Hello Tim
>>
>> I'm interested in one of the fuel filler pipes they look good from the
>> photo, how do I pay ?
>>
>> Regards Brian Fogg (385) UK
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
>> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Europa-List: Europa Accessories
>>
>> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Tim Ward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
>> >
>> > Europa Builders.
>> >
>> > Finally coming to the end of the project before ZK-TIM (#292 Monowheel
>> > Classic ) hopefully takes to the air shortly.
>> > During building I have included these accessories to my aircraft that
>> > builders may be interested in.
>> > Photos of these are in the attachments below.
>> > 1. Leather Control Column Boots.
>> > To protect the control column universal. Come in a number of colours.
>> > 82 builders have these leather boots now.
>> > 2. Leather Propeller Tip covers.
>> > To protect the Propeller blade tips for the Airmaster Prop and others.
>> > Bright colours to stop my children running into them as well as
>> > following cars!
>> > 3. Fuel filler pipe.
>> > To avoid fuel fumes getting into the cockpit via the rubber hosing that
>> > some builders have had trouble with. No welding, bent to 53 degrees.
>> >
>> > Please email me if you are interested.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Tim
>> > --
>> > Timothy P Ward
>> > 12 Waiwetu Street,
>> > Fendalton,
>> > Christchurch,
>> > NEW ZEALAND
>> >
>> > Ph. 0064 3 3515166
>> > email ward.t@xtra.co.nz
>> > Mobile 025 2649325
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>--
>Timothy P Ward
>12 Waiwetu Street,
>Fendalton,
>Christchurch,
>NEW ZEALAND
>
>Ph. 0064 3 3515166
>email ward.t@xtra.co.nz
>Mobile 025 2649325
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Info or manual? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
>
> See the Club website for some info via links to builders' own
> websites. The Europa Club CD-ROM includes a listing of all known mods
> by name, cross-referenced to kit number.
"Those known to the UK builders." There are lots of thing we "Yanks" have
done to our Europa. I have counted 51 separate mods to my plane and I have
a couple under development yet to go. Look at www.europa-uas.com and see
under owners.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds WA 98020
(425) 776-5555
N229WC "Wile E Coyote"
New Email:" flyinggpa@comcast.net "
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 26/11/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>: OV protection
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "paul stewart" <paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
> Before I revert to plan A - switches wires and CB's
>has anyone using the EXPbus any advice to offer
>Paul Stewart #432
I prefer fuses to CBs. More reliable according to Nuckolls and much less
expensive. You must wire the alternator as Rotax (or Nuckolls) state. If
the EXPbus can't cope with that it will need modification IMHO
Graham
not a wiring expurt.
---
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| Subject: | Re: OV protection |
--> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
paul stewart wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "paul stewart" <paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
>
> Apologies form the start for raising this one again, however. For those
> out there who are using the Control Vision EXPbus, what is your
> understanding of the OV protection it is supposed to offer. Even in
> the sample wiring diagram for a Rotax installation on their web site it
> appears to be merely controling an alternator field circuit which
> clearly cannot be appropriate to the Rotax fixed magnet generator.
> The company themselves have been unable to shed any further light
> on the situation.
Both EXPbus and aerolectric Bob diddle with the "C" line on the regulator. It therefore
does something inside the regulator to disable it. I personally wouldn't
spend that kind of money for a device made by people who can't/won't answer
a simple question.
Best,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | Re: RV or Europa |
--> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
Guil Barros wrote:
> -how messy/touchy is working with this? ive never done anything with
> composites or fiberglass or anything like that...
If you can properly construct an aluminum airframe, you can
easily do fiberglass. The converse is not necessarily true.
> -how does it take rain or temperature changes? the Diamond Air
> composite planes cant fly if its too hot out...or something
> like that :)
That's a by-product of the FAA certification process, and it's only the wing spar
temperature which is limited to 131-deg F. It's a lot cheaper to
place such a limit on it rather than prove it's no issue with engineering and
test data, in the highest possible spar temp expected in service. There are
a lot of fiberglass homebuilts flying, built from plans back to the 1970's. NTSB
accident data contains no instances yet of failure due to heat or UV degradation,
but rather only a few scattered ones involving rather idiot build errors.
Regards,
Fred F.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
It was time to do the deed. The CO2 was on the right (starboard) and the
Halon was on the left (port). Out to the car to pull out the Die Hard. Lets
pump some amps into that nasty looking rats nest behind that clean looking
instrument panel. The list is made up, and 24 circuits need checking. Just
the thing Thanksgiving mornings are made for. Its a good thing I'm not a
typical suburban house-husband or there be some hell to pay.
The good part was that I didn't have to use the fire extinguishers as the
subject line says there was no smoke. Everything worked, I was even able to
talk to someone on the radio. One unusual anomoly was found however. Any
input from the list would be appreciated. The electric horizon gyro is
driven off of the essential electrical bus. When the alternate feed switch
is turned on the gyro runs up normally and the off flag indicator goes
away. The alternate feed is a direct connection to the battery. When the
essential bus is run through its normal feed, which is through the primary
bus through a big diode an anomoly is seen. The gyro runs up but the off
flag indicator does not go away. All other items that are on the essential
bus appear to run normally weather on primary or alternate feed. At this
point in time I am running both the primary and essential busses on the
battery. The primary bus doesn't come on line until I turn on the main
contactor. I am thinking prehaps when I am running the primary bus off of
the alternator this symptom may go away. As I said once before most of us
mechanical engineers at school didn't smoke enough dope to be allowed into
the electrical engineering wing at CSU so this stuff isn't immediately
intuitive.
Thanks,
Steve
A143
Mesa, AZ
--- Steve Hagar
--- hagargs@earthlink.net
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--> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
Steve Hagar wrote:
> One unusual anomoly was found however. Any
> input from the list would be appreciated. The electric horizon gyro is
> driven off of the essential electrical bus. When the alternate feed switch
> is turned on the gyro runs up normally and the off flag indicator goes
> away. The alternate feed is a direct connection to the battery. When the
> essential bus is run through its normal feed, which is through the primary
> bus through a big diode an anomoly is seen.
Sounds normal. As I recall, the flag voltage for the RC Allen's AH is greater than
for its DG too. Instrument shop lady told me normal at about 11.9V to unflag.
The diode drop is the culprit. My alternative to an essential bus is the
ability to merely switch every optional device off fwg an alternator failure.
Flag should go away with alternator online, but depending upon its volts at lower
RPMs and total load. But which may thus be unsatisfactory for a night IFR
approach....
Best,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | Re: UK Weekday Fly-in |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Hello All,
We had very good weather for yesterday's fly-in to Sleap and we were made
most welcome by the Club. The bacon butties were very tasty also. The
following members attended:-
Paddy Clarke, Dari Sagar, Jim Naylor, Tony Burbridge, Bob Harrison, Paul
Sweeting, Pete Lawless, Dave and Marion Watts all flew in and locals Mark
Burton and Brian Fogg drove in to join the fun. Apologies received from
Bryan Allsop, who was committed to spending the day searching for his balls!
Many thanks to Bryan for instigating the Fly-ins. As you all can see they
are becoming very popular.
Tony Burbridge has taken over the batten and will arrange next weeks venue.
Best wishes,
William
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