Today's Message Index:
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1. 01:02 AM - Re: EIS panel suggestions (Gerry Holland)
2. 06:02 AM - Re: "Drop of the Hat" fly out. ( w/c Mon. 1-12-2003 ) (R.C.Harrison)
3. 06:12 AM - oil temp sender (Graham Singleton)
4. 06:23 AM - Scales and 4:1 (Jan de Jong)
5. 07:01 AM - Scale calibration (Simon Smith)
6. 07:23 AM - Prop? (Guil Barros)
7. 07:24 AM - Re: Scale calibration (Troy Maynor)
8. 07:32 AM - Re: oil temp sender (Carl & Dot)
9. 08:12 AM - Re: Prop? (Jeff Roberts)
10. 10:08 AM - Re: Last "Official" Day To Make Your List Contribution!! (Alan Twigg)
11. 10:08 AM - Re: Prop? (David Joyce)
12. 10:58 AM - Fastec (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
13. 11:53 AM - Re: Prop? (Jeff Roberts)
14. 12:51 PM - "Drop of the Hat" fly out. (Tony Burbidge)
15. 01:00 PM - Anti Servo TP16 installation (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
16. 01:05 PM - Re: OV protection (nigel charles)
17. 01:24 PM - Re: Pitot and Static (Ami McFadyean)
18. 01:28 PM - Re: Anti Servo TP16 installation (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
19. 01:28 PM - Re: Anti Servo TP16 installation (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
20. 01:46 PM - Re: Anti Servo TP16 installation (Alan Gilbert)
21. 01:58 PM - Re: Anti Servo TP16 installation (ScramIt@aol.com)
22. 02:19 PM - Re: Scales and 4:1 (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
23. 02:57 PM - Re: EIS panel suggestions (Europa Aircraft)
24. 04:40 PM - Re: Prop? (Tom Paul)
25. 05:50 PM - Re: Anti Servo TP16 installation (Cliff Shaw)
26. 06:46 PM - Re: EIS panel suggestions (Guil Barros)
27. 07:30 PM - Re: Scales and 4:1 (Fergus Kyle)
28. 07:50 PM - RE : EIS panel suggestions (John & Paddy Wigney)
29. 08:37 PM - Re: Scales and 4:1 (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
30. 11:43 PM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: EIS panel suggestions |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Guil
>
> found them under "Chief Aircraft -> Engine Instruments -> ISSPRO" and ordered
> a
> catalog :)
>
> has anyone used them? what do you think?
>
I have a set. They are well made and marked up to average ranges.
No Tacho suitable for Rotax though.
I didn't use the set in the end and went for the Mitchell 1.5" Gauges.
So.... I have them in boxes unused if anyone is looking to to purchase
efficiently.
Regards
Gerry
Gerry Holland
Europa 384 G-FIZY
Trigear with 912 and Arplast CS Prop.
Fuselage being Painted, Wings ready to paint, Flying surfaces painted
Airframe Wiring complete, Full Size Panel 50% done . Includes Dynon EFIS,
KMD 150,
Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder. AoA Fitted.
Activity on Panel completion, Design and build Heater Unit.
+44 7808 402404
gnholland@onetel.com
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| Subject: | Re: "Drop of the Hat" fly out. ( w/c Mon. 1-12-2003 ) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Tony.
William mentioned a free landing voucher for Sleap and you have mentioned a
voucher for Connington? Which mag. are they in ? I have my January issue
of "Today's Pilot" and they don't carry any this issue.
Regards
Bob Harrison. G-PTAG
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From: "Tony Burbidge" <tony.burbidge@virgin.net>
Subject: Europa-List: "Drop of the Hat" fly out. ( w/c Mon. 1-12-2003 )
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Burbidge"
<tony.burbidge@virgin.net>
>
> Looks like Peterborough "Connington" might be a good bet for the next
meet. It has most things going for it, ie:-
>
> Central location, Alternate runways, Hot food & drinks all day and another
free landing voucher.
>
> The long range weather forecast at the moment favours Thursday / Friday,
but that can be reviewed as the week
> progresses.
>
> Watch this space.
>
> Regards & Safe Flying.
>
> Tony Burbidge.
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 30/11/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>It seems to be much worse. and the problem is somewhere in the Grand Rapids
>EIS unit. Not only is the oil temp wrong but most other readings are now
>abnormal.
>
>Guess well have to return it to Grand Rapids and see what they have to say.
It might be worth a phone call, It's possible the set up may have been
corrupted by very low voltage during engine start or something of that sort.
Graham
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Jan de Jong <jan.de.jong@xs4all.nl>
Suspicious of anything that could cause inaccuracies I have a measuring
and mixing procedure
that many may consider overkill - so do with it what you like.
For each cup I fill out an entry in each of the following 17 columns
(assumes 4:1 ratio):
1. purpose of batch (rudderL, uni2)
2. date (20-11-02)
3. time (20:16)
4. temperature (23.8)
5. relative humidity (41)
6. zero reading (0.0)
7. 100g reading (100.0)
8. check zero (0.0)
9. cup reading (say 12.2)
10. tare reading (0.0)
11. resin1 reading (say 45.7)
12. hardener reading (say 57.7)
13. calculated resin2 reading (60.0)
14. actual resin2 reading (say 60.1)
15. calculated zero reading (-72.3)
16. actual zero reading(-72.3)
17. result (ok)
Notes:
Point 7: I use Satrue scales 200g, 0.1g resolution, comes with a 100g
calibration weight.
Point 11 to 12: I use an "add hardener to read at least" table: 45.6
gives 57.0, 46.0 gives
57.5. etc.
Point 12 to 13: I use a household calculator ("add resin to read
exactly"): (57.7-45.7)*5Point 14 to 15: household calculator ("minus final expected
zero
reading"): 60.1+12.2Designed to achieve:
Resin first, for wetting cup walls.
Resin last to decrease pouring accuracy needed:
Hardener (point 12) within 0..+0.5g is ok.
Final resin (point 14) within -0.2..+0.2 is ok.
All the scales stability checking I could think of.
For point 16 I expect +-0.1g or better.
The measurement procedure takes about 1 minute.
Finally, I reuse my mixing stick. I wipe it at the end of a layup
session and save it for the
next time. This avoids the possible influence of absorption (in an
unwanted ratio) using new
sticks.
Jan de Jong
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| Subject: | Scale calibration |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
For anyone in the UK that has a set of scales but no calibration weights,
put your hands in your pockets!
The various coins that you will find have specific minted weights so as long
as they have not been too worn they should weigh the following:-
1p 3.56g
2p 7.12g
5p 3.25g
10p 6.50g
20p 5g
50p 8g
1 9.5g
2 12g
Regards
Simon
504 G-BZTN
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Guil Barros <flight@metathusalan.com>
What props are people using? why did you choose that one?
im debating spending the extra $4k on the CS airmaster... ground ajustable seems
like a good compromise... im mostly going to go on long-ish distance flights
where im looking for economy. Wouldnt setting the ground-adjustable to a cruise
setting be (overall) equivalent to a CS while in cruise? would i get enough
aditional efficiency out of the CS to justify it?
what other CS props are people using? cheaper? why?
thanks,
-guil
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| Subject: | Scale calibration |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@CHARTER.NET>
What about US currency? ;)
Troy Maynor
N120EU Monowheel Classic
Left to finish:
Paint,interior,engine install, wiring.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Simon Smith
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 10:02 AM
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Scale calibration
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
>
>
> For anyone in the UK that has a set of scales but no calibration weights,
> put your hands in your pockets!
>
> The various coins that you will find have specific minted weights
> so as long
> as they have not been too worn they should weigh the following:-
>
> 1p 3.56g
> 2p 7.12g
> 5p 3.25g
> 10p 6.50g
> 20p 5g
> 50p 8g
> 1 9.5g
> 2 12g
>
> Regards
>
> Simon
> 504 G-BZTN
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: oil temp sender |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Carl & Dot" <carl_p@ntlworld.com>
Hi Graham,
I emailed them and are waiting for a response.
I think you may be right. My current theory (and hope) is that somehow the
unit has switched from Centigrade to Farenheit without changing the over
temp limits. When I was running the engine yesterday the oil temps and CHT's
were indicating between 140 and 160 degrees and if this was a farenheit
reading that would have been ok ( the engine was not up to full operating
temp) . The only problem was that it was tripping the overtemp warning lamp.
At the time I didnt check to see if the system was set to C or F.
Normally the oil is about 105C and the CHT about 90C at normal operating
temp. This would transalate into 240 and 220 F.
Unfortunately I cant get at the engine again until wednesday.
Thanks for the hint anyway.
Regards,
Carl
PS - Are you coming to the Dinner on Saturday?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Singleton" <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: oil temp sender
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton
<graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
>
> At 23:56 30/11/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> >It seems to be much worse. and the problem is somewhere in the Grand
Rapids
> >EIS unit. Not only is the oil temp wrong but most other readings are now
> >abnormal.
> >
> >Guess well have to return it to Grand Rapids and see what they have to
say.
>
> It might be worth a phone call, It's possible the set up may have been
> corrupted by very low voltage during engine start or something of that
sort.
> Graham
>
>
> ---
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 12/1/03 10:23 AM, Guil Barros at flight@metathusalan.com wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Guil Barros <flight@metathusalan.com>
>
> What props are people using? why did you choose that one?
>
> im debating spending the extra $4k on the CS airmaster... ground ajustable
> seems
> like a good compromise... im mostly going to go on long-ish distance flights
> where im looking for economy. Wouldnt setting the ground-adjustable to a
> cruise
> setting be (overall) equivalent to a CS while in cruise? would i get enough
> aditional efficiency out of the CS to justify it?
>
> what other CS props are people using? cheaper? why?
>
> thanks,
> -guil
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>
>
>
>
>
Guil,
From the time you receive your kit then spend the required time to turn it
into the beautiful flying machine it can be, and you visualize. It doesnt
matter what you decide on now as far as prop guages etc. You will change
your mind 3 or 4 times because there is always something new and cool out. I
have and am still deciding. Im putting some decisions off as I am waiting
for some new products to be released. Thats the fun of this crazy hobby
were into. You get to personalize your very own aircraft and drive yourself
crazy doing it.
Jeff
Tri Gear A258
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| Subject: | Re: Last "Official" Day To Make Your List Contribution!! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Twigg" <alan.twigg@ntlworld.com>
25th year working for 'Field Support', never had to work inside. Building
Motorglider kit 463 G-GIWT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Davis" <pm.davis@ntlworld.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Last "Official" Day To Make Your List
Contribution!!
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Davis" <pm.davis@ntlworld.com>
>
> Hi Alan,
>
> I worked for RR - Bristol Aero Engines ( Previously Bristol Siddley) from
> 1966 to 1970. Since then I have moved on. I was there in the 'good old
days'
> of the Olympus 592 (Concorde engine); Pegasus engine (Harrier Jump Jet)
and
> the RB211. Unfortunately I think it was these ground breaking developments
> that resulted in Bristol Siddley being taken over by RR as they
> overstretched themselves.
>
> My build number is 154; G-BYIK, based at Oxford/Kidlington; flying for 4+
> years; and enjoying every moment.
>
> Peter D
>
> mailto:pm.davis@ntlworld.com
>
> This message has been scanned by Norton Internet Security for all known
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Alan Twigg
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Last "Official" Day To Make Your List
> Contribution!!
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Twigg" <alan.twigg@ntlworld.com>
>
> Which Peter Davis is this, do you or did you work for RR ?
> Alan Twigg
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Davis" <pm.davis@ntlworld.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Last "Official" Day To Make Your List
> Contribution!!
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Davis" <pm.davis@ntlworld.com>
> >
> > How old are you 'unofficially'?
> >
> > With Sympathy - although I think you are still a "Spring Chicken"!
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > mailto:pm.davis@ntlworld.com
> >
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
> > To: dralle@matronics.com
> > Subject: Europa-List: Last "Official" Day To Make Your List
> > Contribution!!
> >
> >
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
> >
> >
> > Dear Listers,
> >
> > Well, its November 30th and that means three things...
> >
> > 1) Today I am officially 40 years old (sympathy is
appreciated)!
> >
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Go for a CS prop otherwise its like driving around in third gear all the
time. You cannot afford to set a ground adjustable prop to a good cruise
pitch or you will only be able to get off the ground in cool low conditions
from a long runway. The Airmaster is a fine prop but the Kremen is very
comparable but only half the price because it is made in the low wage Czech
Republic. Mine cost $2300 complete with spinner wiring and instruments.
David Joyce, G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Guil Barros <flight@metathusalan.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Prop?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Guil Barros <flight@metathusalan.com>
>
> What props are people using? why did you choose that one?
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
For those with Airmaster props take a close look at the picture of the
Fastec Electric plane in the 30th November issue of Avflash. You'll
notice a striking similarity between the spinner on that plane and the
Europa XS spinner.
Now I wonder how that could have happened?
:)
Regards
Tony
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 12/1/03 1:07 PM, David Joyce at davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> Go for a CS prop otherwise its like driving around in third gear all the
> time. You cannot afford to set a ground adjustable prop to a good cruise
> pitch or you will only be able to get off the ground in cool low conditions
> from a long runway. The Airmaster is a fine prop but the Kremen is very
> comparable but only half the price because it is made in the low wage Czech
> Republic. Mine cost $2300 complete with spinner wiring and instruments.
> David Joyce, G-XSDJ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Guil Barros <flight@metathusalan.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Prop?
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: Guil Barros <flight@metathusalan.com>
>>
>> What props are people using? why did you choose that one?
>>
>>
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>
David,
Is this Kremen prop available in the US. Do they have a website?
Jeff
A258
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| Subject: | "Drop of the Hat" fly out. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Burbidge" <tony.burbidge@virgin.net>
Hi Bob
The Connington voucher is in the Dec. Issue of "Flyer".
Look forward to seeing you.
Regards & Safe flying.
Tony.
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| Subject: | Anti Servo TP16 installation |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
Hello Gents:
Can anyone email me photos of their procedures for the Anti Servo TP16
bracket installation? I have installed the first bracket using the template and
a
level to align TP16 with the root hinge. I was amazed at the thickness of the
flox fillet needed to fill the gap between the root rib and bracket. About 1/4
inch at the leading edge tapering down to right against the rib at the rear.
Can this be right?
I would like to see how you fine folk set up your tail planes for the
installation of the second TP16 bracket. A photo would be great if posable.
Thanks so much!
Brian Skelly
Texas
XS A276.
Parts scattered all over the house.
And boy is she mad! ;)
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| Subject: | Re: OV protection |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>I prefer fuses to CBs. More reliable according to Nuckolls and much less
expensive. You must wire the alternator as Rotax (or Nuckolls) state.<
No problem. However for the Crowbar OV unit Bob Nuckolls advises that a c/b
and not a fuse should be used.
Nigel Charles
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot and Static |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
There are quite a few Europas around with instruments running on cockpit
static, mine included.
However, the point is (and as confirmed by other replies to this thread)
they have arrived at that situation by being individually proven to work as
well or better in that configuration. This had been achieved by fitting of
the official static system in the first place.
Although I suppose it could be part of the test flying regime to demonstrate
that a predetermined cockpit-static system was working accurately across a
wide range of airspeeds; just another variable for the first flight.
Duncan Mcf.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Pitot and Static
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
>
> Hi All,
> I have read where some have ended up disconnecting the static source and
> using the static cockpit air for the flight instruments and it work fine
if
> not better. I am contemplating not even install the second line. I would
be
> a neater install going along the pilots side of the cockpit and save a
> little weight. I wonder how many of you have disconnected yours or not
> installed it.(?)
> Troy Maynor
> N120EU Monowheel Classic
> Left to finish:
> Paint,interior,engine install, wiring.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Anti Servo TP16 installation |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Brian,
That's about right. Because of the angle difference of the rib (angled out)
and the plane of movement of the end of the "T" section from the servo unit
(parrallel to the centerline) the flox pad gets pretty thick the closer you get
to the pin. And now you have to add more flox when you put on the three layers
of BID. Be careful of any interference with the trim tab's movement. Wait
until you do the second TP16 in place. Much more fun.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Cockpit module installed, tailplane torque tube in place, landing gear frame
installed, finally received replacement bolts from the UK in order to assemble
my pitch torque tube.
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| Subject: | Anti Servo TP16 installation |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>>> I was amazed at the thickness of the flox fillet needed to fill the
gap between the root rib and bracket. About 1/4 inch at the leading edge
tapering down to right against the rib at the rear.
Can this be right?
That's about what I have on mine.
Regards
Tony
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| Subject: | Re: Anti Servo TP16 installation |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Gilbert" <alangilbert@classicfm.net>
Sounds about right!!
Iwould be inclined to leave the second TP16 until installing tailplanes onto
the fuselage - this way any misalignment in actuating arm can be allowed for
and your trim tabs will line up perfectly - if you construct as per the
manual you will probably end up removing the TP16 later on in order to get
your tabs level! ! !
Alan Gilbert 497 - still available for sale!
----- Original Message -----
From: <EuropaXSA276@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Anti Servo TP16 installation
> --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
>
> Hello Gents:
>
> Can anyone email me photos of their procedures for the Anti Servo TP16
> bracket installation? I have installed the first bracket using the
template and a
> level to align TP16 with the root hinge. I was amazed at the thickness of
the
> flox fillet needed to fill the gap between the root rib and bracket. About
1/4
> inch at the leading edge tapering down to right against the rib at the
rear.
> Can this be right?
>
> I would like to see how you fine folk set up your tail planes for the
> installation of the second TP16 bracket. A photo would be great if
posable.
>
> Thanks so much!
>
> Brian Skelly
> Texas
> XS A276.
> Parts scattered all over the house.
> And boy is she mad! ;)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Anti Servo TP16 installation |
--> Europa-List message posted by: ScramIt@aol.com
Some Tail plane pictures......
http://homepage.mac.com/sdunsmuir/EuropaSite/Tail%20Plane/Tail%20Plane.html
A tip I got from John at Europa, only do the glass lay ups on one side. Leave
one side floxed in only if you have to move it's easy, if all line up later
add a top coat of flox and do the lay ups.
SteveD.
A217
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| Subject: | Re: Scales and 4:1 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
While some people may feel this is a little overkill, I think that it does
provide everyone with a good reference point. Steps 15 & 16. I like to know what
the scale should read when you remove your mix cup. It could be a mental note
to check this before turning your scale off.
Cup weight + Resin weight + Hardner weight should equal the negative value
reading of the scale when the cup with mix is removed, if you hit TARE before
removing. Any other reading would indicate a problem with the mix.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Cockpit module installed, tailplane torque tube in place, landing gear frame
installed, finally received replacement bolts from the UK in order to assemble
my pitch torque tube.
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| Subject: | EIS panel suggestions |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
Guil,
VDO makes some nice 2" gages in this price range. They are used in multiple
applications, not just aircraft. They are called the cockpit series.
Hope this helps!
John Hurst
Europa Aircraft
Lakeland, FL
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Guil Barros
Subject: Re: Europa-List: EIS panel suggestions
--> Europa-List message posted by: Guil Barros <flight@metathusalan.com>
Ive been looking at some EIS systems myself, and looking for guages to go
along
as backups.
Can someone recommend good low-priced guages? $35 a pop sounds pretty good,
but
i havent found anything like that...
thx,
-guil
Quoting Europa Aircraft <europa@gate.net>:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Europa Aircraft <europa@gate.net>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I have been getting a lot of calls at the US office lately requesting
> guidance for installing engine instruments.
>
> There are some neat new products available, like the EIS mentioned below.
> The EIS is a great way to monitor a large number of engine parameters
> previously impossible to do with analog gages.
>
> The EIS, however, it not as easy to read as an analog instrument. Our
> engines are not cheap, and our butts are worth even more, so I strongly
> recommend that for the most important engine parameters, easy to read
analog
> gages be installed in an area easy for the pilot to spot. Examples are
the
> Tachometer, hottest CHT, Oil Pressure, and Manifold Pressure for constant
> speed props. It is much easier to spot a fluxing, or dropping oil
pressure
> needle than to spot, or page to the number on an EIS. Once the red light
> comes on there will not be as much time left to find a place to land.
>
> For a 914 you also need to have something that tells you the difference
> between fuel pressure & boost pressure in the same units - ex, both in
inches
> of mercury, or pounds per square inch. I am working with an instrument
> manufacturer to make a single gage that does this to save space, but don't
> have one yet. Rotax recommends a twin MP gage for this, but they only
come
> in 3 1/4.
>
> Another reason for installing engine instruments is noted below. If the
> monitor fails, then there is no way to tell what the engine is doing.
>
> Finally, these instruments are cheap, as little as $35 each.
>
> Hope this answers some of your questions.
>
> John Hurst
> Europa Aircraft
> Lakeland, FL
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carl & Dot <carl_p@ntlworld.com>
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Faulty Oil Temp sensor
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Carl & Dot" <carl_p@ntlworld.com>
>
> It turns out there is nothing wrong with the sensor although initial
checks
> with the ohm meter suggested this was the problem.
>
> It seems to be much worse. and the problem is somewhere in the Grand
Rapids
> EIS unit. Not only is the oil temp wrong but most other readings are now
> abnormal.
>
> Guess well have to return it to Grand Rapids and see what they have to
say.
>
> Pity as the annual permit is due to expire in 10 days.
>
> Carl pattinson
> G-LABS (grounded for the time being)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <n3eu@comcast.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Faulty Oil Temp sensor
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
> >
> > Carl & Dot wrote:
> > > ...
> > > I think my preferred choice would be to mount the sender in the return
> line
> > > from the bottom of the crank casing (would need a metal block to screw
> into)
> > > where I assume it would be at its hottest. An easier fix might be to
> bolt it
> > > into the oil tank somewhere. This would be simpler, and there would be
> less
> > > vibration. Possibly a hole tapped into the centre of the oil tank
drain
> plug
> > > would work.
> >
> > I believe Rotax is sensing cooled oil -- not the hot stuff in the return
> line nor similar in the tank, and they set the redline temp premised upon
> the effect of mounting in the engine block where they do. I would caution
> against any mod which cannot verify the Rotax redline temp is still valid,
> or proper testing to set a new value. So far we have one reported
instance
> of a complete failure only alleged due to vibration. A google search I
did
> turns up nothing else, nor is there a service bulletin. If vibration can
> fail the sensor, then the temp instrument will go blooey, so then just
> replace it. A significant cause of homebuilt accidents is this type of
> experimentation, resulting in doing things in ways not seen on production
> aircraft for presumably valid reason.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Fred F.
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Tom Paul <tom@tompaul.com>
Here they are. They are now called woodcomp.
http://www.woodcomp.cz/indexe.php
Tom Paul
On 12/1/03 1:56 PM, "Jeff Roberts" <jeff@rmmm.net> wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
>
> on 12/1/03 1:07 PM, David Joyce at davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote:
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>>
>> Go for a CS prop otherwise its like driving around in third gear all the
>> time. You cannot afford to set a ground adjustable prop to a good cruise
>> pitch or you will only be able to get off the ground in cool low conditions
>> from a long runway. The Airmaster is a fine prop but the Kremen is very
>> comparable but only half the price because it is made in the low wage Czech
>> Republic. Mine cost $2300 complete with spinner wiring and instruments.
>> David Joyce, G-XSDJ
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Guil Barros <flight@metathusalan.com>
>> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Europa-List: Prop?
>>
>>
>>> --> Europa-List message posted by: Guil Barros <flight@metathusalan.com>
>>>
>>> What props are people using? why did you choose that one?
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________________________________________
>>> This email has been scanned using the CleanPort MEF antivirus
>>> system. Funded for members by the Doctors.net.uk Bulletin service
>>> How does this protect me? http://www.Doctors.net.uk/qualityemail
>>> ________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> David,
> Is this Kremen prop available in the US. Do they have a website?
> Jeff
> A258
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Anti Servo TP16 installation |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
I second that advice. (wate to do the second TP16)
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds WA 98020
(425) 776-5555
N229WC "Wile E Coyote"
New Email:" flyinggpa@comcast.net "
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Gilbert" <alangilbert@classicfm.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Anti Servo TP16 installation
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Gilbert"
<alangilbert@classicfm.net>
>
> Sounds about right!!
> Iwould be inclined to leave the second TP16 until installing tailplanes
onto
> the fuselage - this way any misalignment in actuating arm can be allowed
for
> and your trim tabs will line up perfectly - if you construct as per the
> manual you will probably end up removing the TP16 later on in order to get
> your tabs level! ! !
>
> Alan Gilbert 497 - still available for sale!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <EuropaXSA276@aol.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Anti Servo TP16 installation
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
> >
> > Hello Gents:
> >
> > Can anyone email me photos of their procedures for the Anti Servo TP16
> > bracket installation? I have installed the first bracket using the
> template and a
> > level to align TP16 with the root hinge. I was amazed at the thickness
of
> the
> > flox fillet needed to fill the gap between the root rib and bracket.
About
> 1/4
> > inch at the leading edge tapering down to right against the rib at the
> rear.
> > Can this be right?
> >
> > I would like to see how you fine folk set up your tail planes for the
> > installation of the second TP16 bracket. A photo would be great if
> posable.
> >
> > Thanks so much!
> >
> > Brian Skelly
> > Texas
> > XS A276.
> > Parts scattered all over the house.
> > And boy is she mad! ;)
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | EIS panel suggestions |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Guil Barros <flight@metathusalan.com>
Hi John,
thanks for the info, is there a good source for these i should look at?
ill be talking to you about starting on a kit in about 6 months :) Need to get
myself a garage and a demo flight first...
thx,
-guil
Quoting Europa Aircraft <europa@gate.net>:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
>
> Guil,
>
> VDO makes some nice 2" gages in this price range. They are used in multiple
> applications, not just aircraft. They are called the cockpit series.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> John Hurst
> Europa Aircraft
> Lakeland, FL
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Guil Barros
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: EIS panel suggestions
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Guil Barros <flight@metathusalan.com>
>
> Ive been looking at some EIS systems myself, and looking for guages to go
> along
> as backups.
>
> Can someone recommend good low-priced guages? $35 a pop sounds pretty good,
> but
> i havent found anything like that...
>
> thx,
> -guil
>
>
> Quoting Europa Aircraft <europa@gate.net>:
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Europa Aircraft <europa@gate.net>
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I have been getting a lot of calls at the US office lately requesting
> > guidance for installing engine instruments.
> >
> > There are some neat new products available, like the EIS mentioned below.
> > The EIS is a great way to monitor a large number of engine parameters
> > previously impossible to do with analog gages.
> >
> > The EIS, however, it not as easy to read as an analog instrument. Our
> > engines are not cheap, and our butts are worth even more, so I strongly
> > recommend that for the most important engine parameters, easy to read
> analog
> > gages be installed in an area easy for the pilot to spot. Examples are
> the
> > Tachometer, hottest CHT, Oil Pressure, and Manifold Pressure for constant
> > speed props. It is much easier to spot a fluxing, or dropping oil
> pressure
> > needle than to spot, or page to the number on an EIS. Once the red light
> > comes on there will not be as much time left to find a place to land.
> >
> > For a 914 you also need to have something that tells you the difference
> > between fuel pressure & boost pressure in the same units - ex, both in
> inches
> > of mercury, or pounds per square inch. I am working with an instrument
> > manufacturer to make a single gage that does this to save space, but don't
> > have one yet. Rotax recommends a twin MP gage for this, but they only
> come
> > in 3 1/4.
> >
> > Another reason for installing engine instruments is noted below. If the
> > monitor fails, then there is no way to tell what the engine is doing.
> >
> > Finally, these instruments are cheap, as little as $35 each.
> >
> > Hope this answers some of your questions.
> >
> > John Hurst
> > Europa Aircraft
> > Lakeland, FL
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Carl & Dot <carl_p@ntlworld.com>
> > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Faulty Oil Temp sensor
> >
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Carl & Dot" <carl_p@ntlworld.com>
> >
> > It turns out there is nothing wrong with the sensor although initial
> checks
> > with the ohm meter suggested this was the problem.
> >
> > It seems to be much worse. and the problem is somewhere in the Grand
> Rapids
> > EIS unit. Not only is the oil temp wrong but most other readings are now
> > abnormal.
> >
> > Guess well have to return it to Grand Rapids and see what they have to
> say.
> >
> > Pity as the annual permit is due to expire in 10 days.
> >
> > Carl pattinson
> > G-LABS (grounded for the time being)
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <n3eu@comcast.net>
> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Faulty Oil Temp sensor
> >
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
> > >
> > > Carl & Dot wrote:
> > > > ...
> > > > I think my preferred choice would be to mount the sender in the return
> > line
> > > > from the bottom of the crank casing (would need a metal block to screw
> > into)
> > > > where I assume it would be at its hottest. An easier fix might be to
> > bolt it
> > > > into the oil tank somewhere. This would be simpler, and there would be
> > less
> > > > vibration. Possibly a hole tapped into the centre of the oil tank
> drain
> > plug
> > > > would work.
> > >
> > > I believe Rotax is sensing cooled oil -- not the hot stuff in the return
> > line nor similar in the tank, and they set the redline temp premised upon
> > the effect of mounting in the engine block where they do. I would caution
> > against any mod which cannot verify the Rotax redline temp is still valid,
> > or proper testing to set a new value. So far we have one reported
> instance
> > of a complete failure only alleged due to vibration. A google search I
> did
> > turns up nothing else, nor is there a service bulletin. If vibration can
> > fail the sensor, then the temp instrument will go blooey, so then just
> > replace it. A significant cause of homebuilt accidents is this type of
> > experimentation, resulting in doing things in ways not seen on production
> > aircraft for presumably valid reason.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Fred F.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Scales and 4:1 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Mike,
Your latest doesn't mention epoxy make, but suppose you are not
an Aeropoxy type like me - although the recipe difference doesn't matter
that much. Mine specifies no greater error than 1% which is not hard to come
by and permits SOME latitude.
I use ex-kodak tubs for small amounts 10-25gm and my ratio is
27hard to 100 resin, so at 0.1 gram accuracy ain't bad. But I put the empty
tub on, tare it then add resin and put aside till used (on abusy job). Then
I stick its mate on for tare, then the part-poured tub and add hardener when
needed. I figure I'm still within 1% so don't worry about the odd drop (3
drops to 0.1gm).
Don't know if this is still relevant to your discussion.
happy landings
Ferg A064
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From: <DuaneFamly@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Scales and 4:1
| --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
|
| While some people may feel this is a little overkill, I think that it does
| provide everyone with a good reference point. Steps 15 & 16. I like to
know what
| the scale should read when you remove your mix cup. It could be a mental
note
| to check this before turning your scale off.
| Cup weight + Resin weight + Hardner weight should equal the negative value
| reading of the scale when the cup with mix is removed, if you hit TARE
before
| removing. Any other reading would indicate a problem with the mix.
|
|
| Mike Duane A207
| Redding, California
| XS Conventional Gear
| Cockpit module installed, tailplane torque tube in place, landing gear
frame
| installed, finally received replacement bolts from the UK in order to
assemble
| my pitch torque tube.
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| Subject: | EIS panel suggestions |
--> Europa-List message posted by: John & Paddy Wigney <johnwigney@worldnet.att.net>
<<<<<<<<<<<<
Time: 07:20:02 PM PST US
From: Europa Aircraft <europa@gate.net>
Subject: Europa-List: EIS panel suggestions
--> Europa-List message posted by: Europa Aircraft <europa@gate.net>
Hi All,
I have been getting a lot of calls at the US office lately requesting guidance
for installing engine instruments.
There are some neat new products available, like the EIS mentioned below. The
EIS is a great way to monitor a large number of engine parameters previously impossible
to do with analog gages.
The EIS, however, it not as easy to read as an analog instrument. Our engines
are not cheap, and our butts are worth even more, so I strongly recommend that
for the most important engine parameters, easy to read analog gages be installed
in an area easy for the pilot to spot. Examples are the Tachometer, hottest
CHT, Oil Pressure, and Manifold Pressure for constant speed props. It is much
easier to spot a fluxing, or dropping oil pressure needle than to spot, or
page to the number on an EIS. Once the red light comes on there will not be
as much time left to find a place to land.
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John Hurst
Europa Aircraft
Lakeland, FL
>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hi John,
With respect, I would like to express a contrary opinion regarding ease of reading
and monitoring engine conditions. I have an EIS unit and consider it to be
a key component of my panel. I would suggest that even during normal operation
and particularly when there are other items requiring attention such as joining
or flying in a busy pattern, many pilots will miss a rising temperature or
a dropping pressure on an analog gauge until it may be too late. The red "idiot
light' from any of the EIS alarm settings will get your attention immediately
and you have the ability to set the alarms at whatever levels you choose.
Before flying my plane, I thought I would need at least some key analog gauges
but I have found that I need less than I planned. For example, I put an analog
tacho on my panel. WRONG. I never look at it - the EIS is so accurate and refreshes
so quickly that the analog unit is redundant.
I consider that ease of reading on the EIS is high with items such as rpm, oil
temp and pressure, CHT, EGT, fuel pressure and fuel flow all on one 'favorite'
page. A few clicks will get you to all the other many items such as volts, OAT,
fuel remaining, endurance, etc. I suppose that part of the success of my EIS
is, of course, the reliabilty of the Rotax 912S. Both work just as advertised
and the alarms do not go off. So far, the only time the red light alarm has
operated was when I let my fuel level get low and it alarmed at my setting of
3 gallons remaining.
Analog gauges definitely have their place. For example, I do find that an analog
manifold pressure gauge is necessary to set engine power with a constant speed
prop. I also have a dual analog voltmeter/ammeter which is a useful indicator.
I have to say that I have no business connection with Grand Rapids/EIS !
Cheers, John
N262WF, mono XS, 912S
Mooresvile, North Carolina
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Ferg,
Your seems to work for you. I just use another data point as a checksum to
catch any problem....ie scale reset, calculation error, or just a senior moment.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Cockpit module installed, tailplane torque tube in place, & landing gear
frame installed.
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