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1. 02:21 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 30 Msgs - 12/01/03 (Graham Singleton)
2. 02:21 AM - Scales and 4:1 (Graham Singleton)
3. 03:01 AM - Scales and 4:1 (2) (Jan de Jong)
4. 03:13 AM - Gas strut ball joints (Roger Sheridan)
5. 11:05 AM - Re: RE : EIS panel suggestions (KARL HEINDL)
6. 12:50 PM - Re: Scale calibration (Jeremy Davey)
7. 12:54 PM - "Drop of the Hat" fly out. (Tony Burbidge)
8. 01:46 PM - Re: "Drop of the Hat" fly out. (R.C.Harrison)
9. 02:52 PM - Club thanks - was Info or manual (DaveBuzz@aol.com)
10. 03:03 PM - Re: RE : EIS panel suggestions (DJA727@aol.com)
11. 03:12 PM - Do Not Arcive (Cliff Shaw)
12. 03:12 PM - non-toxic rust-only remover (Jan de Jong)
13. 03:51 PM - Re: Scale calibration (Troy Maynor)
14. 06:14 PM - Auto CAD file? (Steve Hagar)
15. 08:05 PM - Re: Auto CAD file? (Kingsley Hurst)
16. 10:20 PM - Re: "Drop of the Hat" fly out. (William Mills)
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 30 Msgs - 12/01/03 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 01/12/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
> response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
> reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
> quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
> can not be overstated!
I extracted this from Matt's automatic posting. I notice some of the thread
replies are getting huge, so please edit the message you are replying to
before hitting the reply button. It's making my mouse fingers ache
scrolling down incessantly ?;-)
Graham
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 01/12/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>Scales and 4:1
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Jan de Jong <jan.de.jong@xs4all.nl>
>
>Suspicious of anything that could cause inaccuracies I have a measuring
>and mixing procedure
>that many may consider overkill -
When I built my Long EZ I used the Rutan home made balance. I saved the
paper cups from every mix, wrote on the date, component , humidity and
temperature. Then I typed out a label with the same info and epoxied it
onto the part.
20 years later I still get a slight buzz of confidence when I notice those
labels each time I derig the airplane. (which is still not quite ready to
fly again {{:-(
Graham
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| Subject: | Scales and 4:1 (2) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jan de Jong <jan.de.jong@xs4all.nl>
Indulging in resending, the original got mangled.
And I indeed forgot to mention the procedure assumes hitting tare before removing
the measured
cup.
Suspicious of anything that could cause inaccuracies I have a measuring and mixing
procedure
that many will probably consider overkill - do with it as you like.
For each cup I fill out an entry in each of the following 17 columns (assumes 4:1
ratio):
1. purpose of batch (rudderL, uni2)
2. date (20-11-02)
3. time (20:16)
4. temperature (23.8)
5. relative humidity (41)
6. zero reading (0.0)
7. 100g reading (100.0)
8. check zero (0.0)
9. cup reading (say 12.2)
10. tare reading (0.0)
11. resin1 reading (say 45.7)
12. hardener reading (say 57.7)
13. calculated resin2 reading (60.0)
14. actual resin2 reading (say 60.1)
15. calculated zero reading after tare (-72.3)
16. actual zero reading after tare (-72.3)
17. result (ok)
Notes:
Point 7: I use Satrue scales 200g, 0.1g resolution, comes with a 100g calibration
weight.
Point 11 to 12: I use an "add hardener to read at least" table: 45.6 gives 57.0,
46.0 gives
57.5. etc.
Point 12 to 13: I use a household calculator ("add resin to exactly"): (57.7-45.7)*5Point
14 to 15: household calculator ("minus final expected zero reading"):
60.1+12.2
Designed to achieve:
Resin first, for wetting cup walls.
Resin last to decrease pouring accuracy needed:
Hardener (point 12) within 0..+0.5g is ok.
Final resin (point 14) within -0.2..+0.2 is ok.
All the scales stability checking I could think of.
For point 16 I expect +-0.1g or better.
The measurement procedure takes about 1 minute.
Finally, I reuse my mixing stick. I wipe it at the end of a layup session and save
it for the
next time. This avoids the possible influence of absorption (in an unwanted ratio)
using new
sticks.
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| Subject: | Gas strut ball joints |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Roger Sheridan <rogersheridan@btinternet.com>
If anybody in the UK has upgraded to metal sockets and would be interested
in selling their 4 old ball fittings that came with the plastic sockets,
please email me off list.
Cheers,
Roger Sheridan
Monowheel, classic, XS wing, still nearly in primer.
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| Subject: | EIS panel suggestions |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
Hi John,
I agree with all your points, but John H's main concern was : what if the
EIS fails. In my
opinion a failing EIS with a simultaneous serious engine fault is extremely
remote.
I am assuming VFR flight only. But it wouldn'tbe a bad idea to have one
independent
indicator on engine temp. at least. For me the thermometer for the carb
heater
would be adequate, but it indicates only up to 50 C. I have found an
alternative
in the English RS Components catalog, but I haven't a clue how to choose the
correct thermocouple and long lead.
My EIS red light did fail on me due to a faulty connector. Grand Rapids
immediately
mailed a replacement foc. In the US that same light is also available from
any
Radio Shack.
Karl Heindl
Ontario, Canada
>From: John & Paddy Wigney <johnwigney@worldnet.att.net>
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: europa@gate.net
>Subject: RE : Europa-List: EIS panel suggestions
>Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 22:49:24 -0500
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: John & Paddy Wigney
><johnwigney@worldnet.att.net>
>
><<<<<<<<<<<<
>Time: 07:20:02 PM PST US
>From: Europa Aircraft <europa@gate.net>
>Subject: Europa-List: EIS panel suggestions
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Europa Aircraft <europa@gate.net>
>Hi All,
>I have been getting a lot of calls at the US office lately requesting
>guidance
>for installing engine instruments.
>There are some neat new products available, like the EIS mentioned below.
>The
>EIS is a great way to monitor a large number of engine parameters
>previously impossible
>to do with analog gages.
>The EIS, however, it not as easy to read as an analog instrument. Our
>engines
>are not cheap, and our butts are worth even more, so I strongly recommend
>that
>for the most important engine parameters, easy to read analog gages be
>installed
>in an area easy for the pilot to spot. Examples are the Tachometer,
>hottest
>CHT, Oil Pressure, and Manifold Pressure for constant speed props. It is
>much
>easier to spot a fluxing, or dropping oil pressure needle than to spot, or
>page to the number on an EIS. Once the red light comes on there will not
>be
>as much time left to find a place to land.
>-------------
>-------------
>John Hurst
>Europa Aircraft
>Lakeland, FL
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>Hi John,
>
>With respect, I would like to express a contrary opinion regarding ease of
>reading and monitoring engine conditions. I have an EIS unit and consider
>it to be a key component of my panel. I would suggest that even during
>normal operation and particularly when there are other items requiring
>attention such as joining or flying in a busy pattern, many pilots will
>miss a rising temperature or a dropping pressure on an analog gauge until
>it may be too late. The red "idiot light' from any of the EIS alarm
>settings will get your attention immediately and you have the ability to
>set the alarms at whatever levels you choose.
>
>Before flying my plane, I thought I would need at least some key analog
>gauges but I have found that I need less than I planned. For example, I put
>an analog tacho on my panel. WRONG. I never look at it - the EIS is so
>accurate and refreshes so quickly that the analog unit is redundant.
>
>I consider that ease of reading on the EIS is high with items such as rpm,
>oil temp and pressure, CHT, EGT, fuel pressure and fuel flow all on one
>'favorite' page. A few clicks will get you to all the other many items such
>as volts, OAT, fuel remaining, endurance, etc. I suppose that part of the
>success of my EIS is, of course, the reliabilty of the Rotax 912S. Both
>work just as advertised and the alarms do not go off. So far, the only time
>the red light alarm has operated was when I let my fuel level get low and
>it alarmed at my setting of 3 gallons remaining.
>
>Analog gauges definitely have their place. For example, I do find that an
>analog manifold pressure gauge is necessary to set engine power with a
>constant speed prop. I also have a dual analog voltmeter/ammeter which is a
>useful indicator.
>
>I have to say that I have no business connection with Grand Rapids/EIS !
>
>Cheers, John
>
>N262WF, mono XS, 912S
>Mooresvile, North Carolina
>
>
http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger
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| Subject: | Scale calibration |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
If you'd be so kind as to send me large quantities (so I can calculate the
standard deviation) I'd be very happy to weight them for you on my .001g
accuracy scales :-). 10kg should do. Larger denominations preferred.
Kind regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Tail done
Standard XS wings awaiting mods and closing
CM ready for installation in fuse (with airbrakes fittings), but holding off
while I do a load of small jobs first
1100 build hours to date
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Troy Maynor
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Scale calibration
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@CHARTER.NET>
What about US currency? ;)
Troy Maynor
N120EU Monowheel Classic
Left to finish:
Paint,interior,engine install, wiring.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Simon Smith
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 10:02 AM
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Scale calibration
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
>
>
> For anyone in the UK that has a set of scales but no calibration weights,
> put your hands in your pockets!
>
> The various coins that you will find have specific minted weights
> so as long
> as they have not been too worn they should weigh the following:-
>
> 1p 3.56g
> 2p 7.12g
> 5p 3.25g
> 10p 6.50g
> 20p 5g
> 50p 8g
> 1 9.5g
> 2 12g
>
> Regards
>
> Simon
> 504 G-BZTN
>
>
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| Subject: | "Drop of the Hat" fly out. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Burbidge" <tony.burbidge@virgin.net>
It is still looking like Thursday / Friday will be favourable for the next meet,
providing we do not experience to much Fog with the incoming hig pressure.
I feel we should opt for Thursday, all things being equal, and leave Friday as
a fall-back.
Any comments ?
Regards and Safe Flying
Tony
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| Subject: | Re: "Drop of the Hat" fly out. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Tony.
Yes !
Just wish my field was on top of this hill and not in the Ancholme valley
with the fog and mist !
Bob H G-PTAG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Burbidge" <tony.burbidge@virgin.net>
Subject: Europa-List: "Drop of the Hat" fly out.
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Burbidge"
<tony.burbidge@virgin.net>
>
> It is still looking like Thursday / Friday will be favourable for the next
meet, providing we do not experience to much Fog with the incoming hig
pressure.
>
> I feel we should opt for Thursday, all things being equal, and leave
Friday as a fall-back.
>
> Any comments ?
>
> Regards and Safe Flying
>
> Tony
>
>
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| Subject: | Club thanks - was Info or manual |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DaveBuzz@aol.com
<<Roland, It is fun to catch you once in a while. From over on this side of the
pond, it seems that the view of the world revolves around the Greenwich Meridian.
Thank you for keeping the Europa records and the web page organized, every one
benefits from you efforts>>
Cliff,
Speaking as Europa Club chairman I must agree and your thanks are welcome, but
I can assure you that Rowland, Jeremy, Davids Watts and Corbett, Tony, Tim and
all the others who have assisted the club would value your membership even
more.
There is no reason whatsoever why regional Club branches could not be set up.
Graham Singleton has mentioned many times the advantages of a type club, and
he has many years experience with the Longeze club in the USA and around the world,
as well as ours.
The Europa Club website at www.europaclub.org.uk has links to all the information you could need about building a Europa, and most of that is freely available to all. Some stuff is in a 'members only' area because a few people (namely Jeremy, David Watts and Rowland) have put a lot of effort into acquiring and sorting the information: If people are willing to spend over $50000 dollars on their finished Europa, then 15 a year to show your support for these guys isn't asking too much.
Recent contributions to the Club magazine have been from John Wigney and Neils
Kock, and were read by more people than on this email list, I would bet. If
people would like more content and experiences from other areas of the Globe,
there's only one answer - join up and write!
I'm happy to discuss offlist anything that can lead to more involvement worldwide
in the Europa Club, including ways to assist, but in the end, volunteers
count.
All the best,
David Bosomworth
kit67, mono, flying
with Europa Club chairman headset on...
davebuzz@aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: EIS panel suggestions |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
Hi group,
Before I list this stuff on Ebay, I thought I would throw it up to the group.
I am selling my vacuum system parts and a fuel gauge. The vacuum system is a
Rapco system, with 215CC pump, central filter, regulator and vacuum gauge. I
am asking $300 - new cost was $650. It has 100 hours of operation in the Mini
U2. Also, there is a used attitude indicator for sale - rebuilt in 94 and has
about 4000 to 500 hours on it since. I am asking $200 for that gyro. The final
item is the UMA fuel gauge that worked fine and is in perfect condition. My
sender failed and leaked slightly, so I sealed the hole and went back to the
simple sight gauge. I am asking $70 for the gauge, which I believe cost about
$125 new.
I'll be making my first listing on Ebay in a matter of a day or so -- let me
know if anyone wants any of this.
I can email pictures if anyone is interested. I am curious to see how the
Ebay process works.
Thanks,
Dave
A227
Mini U2
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
All
I found this in the FAQ in the link that Matt sent out. I think we should
start to use it on all our messages that are qualify. I have seen it used
occasionally so some of us know about " do not archive " .
*****************************************
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Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent
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email distribution as normal.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds WA 98020
(425) 776-5555
N229WC "Wile E Coyote"
Adding more wheels !
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| Subject: | non-toxic rust-only remover |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jan de Jong <jan.de.jong@xs4all.nl>
FYI : http://www.evapo-rust.com/
I have no experience with it but it might be useful for cleaning slightly rusted
steel parts
before coating them with something - and it is world-wide available.
Jan de Jong
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| Subject: | Scale calibration |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
That's ok....;)
do not archive
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeremy Davey
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 3:49 PM
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Scale calibration
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey"
> <jeremycrdavey@btinternet.com>
>
> If you'd be so kind as to send me large quantities (so I can calculate the
> standard deviation) I'd be very happy to weight them for you on my .001g
> accuracy scales :-). 10kg should do. Larger denominations preferred.
>
> Kind regards,
> Jeremy
>
> Jeremy Davey
>
> Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
>
> Tail done
> Standard XS wings awaiting mods and closing
> CM ready for installation in fuse (with airbrakes fittings), but
> holding off
> while I do a load of small jobs first
> 1100 build hours to date
>
> Intended fit:
> Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
> Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Troy Maynor
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Scale calibration
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@CHARTER.NET>
>
> What about US currency? ;)
>
> Troy Maynor
> N120EU Monowheel Classic
> Left to finish:
> Paint,interior,engine install, wiring.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Simon Smith
> > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 10:02 AM
> > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Europa-List: Scale calibration
> >
> >
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
> >
> >
> > For anyone in the UK that has a set of scales but no
> calibration weights,
> > put your hands in your pockets!
> >
> > The various coins that you will find have specific minted weights
> > so as long
> > as they have not been too worn they should weigh the following:-
> >
> > 1p 3.56g
> > 2p 7.12g
> > 5p 3.25g
> > 10p 6.50g
> > 20p 5g
> > 50p 8g
> > 1 9.5g
> > 2 12g
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Simon
> > 504 G-BZTN
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Does anyone have an accurate rendering of the XS monowheel in profile in an
Auto CAD file. I am designing a trailer. The roll up on rails type isn't
going to cut the mustard here with the way the traffic is out here. I am
going to make it a flat bed with possibly two axels. That way if some one
hits the trailer, the trailer takes the hit rather than the aircraft with
over 5 years of work invested in it. I need the rendering to figure out
length of ramp vs trailer height etc. To ensure I don't do any bottom
scraping out when loading the beast up.
Do not archive
Steve
A143
Mesa, AZ
--- Steve Hagar
--- hagargs@earthlink.net
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
--> "Steve Hagar" wrote:
> Does anyone have an accurate rendering of the XS monowheel in profile
in an
> Auto CAD file.
Steve,
I used the drawings from the Europa Flight Manual and blew them up on a
photocopier. I suspect they were printed from a CAD program as they
seem to be perfectly to scale and they show all projections. Worked Ok.
Kingsley Hurst
Europa Mono Classic 281
in Oz
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| Subject: | Re: "Drop of the Hat" fly out. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Seems like a good choice,
William
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Burbidge" <tony.burbidge@virgin.net>
Subject: Europa-List: "Drop of the Hat" fly out.
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Burbidge"
<tony.burbidge@virgin.net>
>
> It is still looking like Thursday / Friday will be favourable for the next
meet, providing we do not experience to much Fog with the incoming hig
pressure.
>
> I feel we should opt for Thursday, all things being equal, and leave
Friday as a fall-back.
>
> Any comments ?
>
> Regards and Safe Flying
>
> Tony
>
>
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