---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 12/02/03: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:21 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 30 Msgs - 12/01/03 (Graham Singleton) 2. 02:21 AM - Scales and 4:1 (Graham Singleton) 3. 03:01 AM - Scales and 4:1 (2) (Jan de Jong) 4. 03:13 AM - Gas strut ball joints (Roger Sheridan) 5. 11:05 AM - Re: RE : EIS panel suggestions (KARL HEINDL) 6. 12:50 PM - Re: Scale calibration (Jeremy Davey) 7. 12:54 PM - "Drop of the Hat" fly out. (Tony Burbidge) 8. 01:46 PM - Re: "Drop of the Hat" fly out. (R.C.Harrison) 9. 02:52 PM - Club thanks - was Info or manual (DaveBuzz@aol.com) 10. 03:03 PM - Re: RE : EIS panel suggestions (DJA727@aol.com) 11. 03:12 PM - Do Not Arcive (Cliff Shaw) 12. 03:12 PM - non-toxic rust-only remover (Jan de Jong) 13. 03:51 PM - Re: Scale calibration (Troy Maynor) 14. 06:14 PM - Auto CAD file? (Steve Hagar) 15. 08:05 PM - Re: Auto CAD file? (Kingsley Hurst) 16. 10:20 PM - Re: "Drop of the Hat" fly out. (William Mills) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:21:43 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 30 Msgs - 12/01/03 --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton At 23:56 01/12/2003 -0800, you wrote: >- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your > response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the > reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that > quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive > can not be overstated! I extracted this from Matt's automatic posting. I notice some of the thread replies are getting huge, so please edit the message you are replying to before hitting the reply button. It's making my mouse fingers ache scrolling down incessantly ?;-) Graham --- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:21:43 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Europa-List: Scales and 4:1 --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton At 23:56 01/12/2003 -0800, you wrote: >Scales and 4:1 > >--> Europa-List message posted by: Jan de Jong > >Suspicious of anything that could cause inaccuracies I have a measuring >and mixing procedure >that many may consider overkill - When I built my Long EZ I used the Rutan home made balance. I saved the paper cups from every mix, wrote on the date, component , humidity and temperature. Then I typed out a label with the same info and epoxied it onto the part. 20 years later I still get a slight buzz of confidence when I notice those labels each time I derig the airplane. (which is still not quite ready to fly again {{:-( Graham --- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:01:40 AM PST US From: Jan de Jong Subject: Europa-List: Scales and 4:1 (2) --> Europa-List message posted by: Jan de Jong Indulging in resending, the original got mangled. And I indeed forgot to mention the procedure assumes hitting tare before removing the measured cup. Suspicious of anything that could cause inaccuracies I have a measuring and mixing procedure that many will probably consider overkill - do with it as you like. For each cup I fill out an entry in each of the following 17 columns (assumes 4:1 ratio): 1. purpose of batch (rudderL, uni2) 2. date (20-11-02) 3. time (20:16) 4. temperature (23.8) 5. relative humidity (41) 6. zero reading (0.0) 7. 100g reading (100.0) 8. check zero (0.0) 9. cup reading (say 12.2) 10. tare reading (0.0) 11. resin1 reading (say 45.7) 12. hardener reading (say 57.7) 13. calculated resin2 reading (60.0) 14. actual resin2 reading (say 60.1) 15. calculated zero reading after tare (-72.3) 16. actual zero reading after tare (-72.3) 17. result (ok) Notes: Point 7: I use Satrue scales 200g, 0.1g resolution, comes with a 100g calibration weight. Point 11 to 12: I use an "add hardener to read at least" table: 45.6 gives 57.0, 46.0 gives 57.5. etc. Point 12 to 13: I use a household calculator ("add resin to exactly"): (57.7-45.7)*5Point 14 to 15: household calculator ("minus final expected zero reading"): 60.1+12.2 Designed to achieve: Resin first, for wetting cup walls. Resin last to decrease pouring accuracy needed: Hardener (point 12) within 0..+0.5g is ok. Final resin (point 14) within -0.2..+0.2 is ok. All the scales stability checking I could think of. For point 16 I expect +-0.1g or better. The measurement procedure takes about 1 minute. Finally, I reuse my mixing stick. I wipe it at the end of a layup session and save it for the next time. This avoids the possible influence of absorption (in an unwanted ratio) using new sticks. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:13:58 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Gas strut ball joints From: Roger Sheridan --> Europa-List message posted by: Roger Sheridan If anybody in the UK has upgraded to metal sockets and would be interested in selling their 4 old ball fittings that came with the plastic sockets, please email me off list. Cheers, Roger Sheridan Monowheel, classic, XS wing, still nearly in primer. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:05:32 AM PST US From: "KARL HEINDL" Subject: RE: RE : Europa-List: EIS panel suggestions --> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" Hi John, I agree with all your points, but John H's main concern was : what if the EIS fails. In my opinion a failing EIS with a simultaneous serious engine fault is extremely remote. I am assuming VFR flight only. But it wouldn'tbe a bad idea to have one independent indicator on engine temp. at least. For me the thermometer for the carb heater would be adequate, but it indicates only up to 50 C. I have found an alternative in the English RS Components catalog, but I haven't a clue how to choose the correct thermocouple and long lead. My EIS red light did fail on me due to a faulty connector. Grand Rapids immediately mailed a replacement foc. In the US that same light is also available from any Radio Shack. Karl Heindl Ontario, Canada >From: John & Paddy Wigney >Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com >To: europa@gate.net >Subject: RE : Europa-List: EIS panel suggestions >Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 22:49:24 -0500 > >--> Europa-List message posted by: John & Paddy Wigney > > ><<<<<<<<<<<< >Time: 07:20:02 PM PST US >From: Europa Aircraft >Subject: Europa-List: EIS panel suggestions >--> Europa-List message posted by: Europa Aircraft >Hi All, >I have been getting a lot of calls at the US office lately requesting >guidance >for installing engine instruments. >There are some neat new products available, like the EIS mentioned below. >The >EIS is a great way to monitor a large number of engine parameters >previously impossible >to do with analog gages. >The EIS, however, it not as easy to read as an analog instrument. Our >engines >are not cheap, and our butts are worth even more, so I strongly recommend >that >for the most important engine parameters, easy to read analog gages be >installed >in an area easy for the pilot to spot. Examples are the Tachometer, >hottest >CHT, Oil Pressure, and Manifold Pressure for constant speed props. It is >much >easier to spot a fluxing, or dropping oil pressure needle than to spot, or >page to the number on an EIS. Once the red light comes on there will not >be >as much time left to find a place to land. >------------- >------------- >John Hurst >Europa Aircraft >Lakeland, FL > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >Hi John, > >With respect, I would like to express a contrary opinion regarding ease of >reading and monitoring engine conditions. I have an EIS unit and consider >it to be a key component of my panel. I would suggest that even during >normal operation and particularly when there are other items requiring >attention such as joining or flying in a busy pattern, many pilots will >miss a rising temperature or a dropping pressure on an analog gauge until >it may be too late. The red "idiot light' from any of the EIS alarm >settings will get your attention immediately and you have the ability to >set the alarms at whatever levels you choose. > >Before flying my plane, I thought I would need at least some key analog >gauges but I have found that I need less than I planned. For example, I put >an analog tacho on my panel. WRONG. I never look at it - the EIS is so >accurate and refreshes so quickly that the analog unit is redundant. > >I consider that ease of reading on the EIS is high with items such as rpm, >oil temp and pressure, CHT, EGT, fuel pressure and fuel flow all on one >'favorite' page. A few clicks will get you to all the other many items such >as volts, OAT, fuel remaining, endurance, etc. I suppose that part of the >success of my EIS is, of course, the reliabilty of the Rotax 912S. Both >work just as advertised and the alarms do not go off. So far, the only time >the red light alarm has operated was when I let my fuel level get low and >it alarmed at my setting of 3 gallons remaining. > >Analog gauges definitely have their place. For example, I do find that an >analog manifold pressure gauge is necessary to set engine power with a >constant speed prop. I also have a dual analog voltmeter/ammeter which is a >useful indicator. > >I have to say that I have no business connection with Grand Rapids/EIS ! > >Cheers, John > >N262WF, mono XS, 912S >Mooresvile, North Carolina > > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:50:08 PM PST US From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Scale calibration --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" If you'd be so kind as to send me large quantities (so I can calculate the standard deviation) I'd be very happy to weight them for you on my .001g accuracy scales :-). 10kg should do. Larger denominations preferred. Kind regards, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Tail done Standard XS wings awaiting mods and closing CM ready for installation in fuse (with airbrakes fittings), but holding off while I do a load of small jobs first 1100 build hours to date Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Troy Maynor Subject: RE: Europa-List: Scale calibration --> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" What about US currency? ;) Troy Maynor N120EU Monowheel Classic Left to finish: Paint,interior,engine install, wiring. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Simon Smith > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 10:02 AM > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Scale calibration > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" > > > For anyone in the UK that has a set of scales but no calibration weights, > put your hands in your pockets! > > The various coins that you will find have specific minted weights > so as long > as they have not been too worn they should weigh the following:- > > 1p 3.56g > 2p 7.12g > 5p 3.25g > 10p 6.50g > 20p 5g > 50p 8g > 1 9.5g > 2 12g > > Regards > > Simon > 504 G-BZTN > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:54:57 PM PST US From: "Tony Burbidge" Subject: Europa-List: "Drop of the Hat" fly out. --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Burbidge" It is still looking like Thursday / Friday will be favourable for the next meet, providing we do not experience to much Fog with the incoming hig pressure. I feel we should opt for Thursday, all things being equal, and leave Friday as a fall-back. Any comments ? Regards and Safe Flying Tony ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:46:45 PM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: Re: Europa-List: "Drop of the Hat" fly out. --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" Hi! Tony. Yes ! Just wish my field was on top of this hill and not in the Ancholme valley with the fog and mist ! Bob H G-PTAG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Burbidge" Subject: Europa-List: "Drop of the Hat" fly out. > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Burbidge" > > It is still looking like Thursday / Friday will be favourable for the next meet, providing we do not experience to much Fog with the incoming hig pressure. > > I feel we should opt for Thursday, all things being equal, and leave Friday as a fall-back. > > Any comments ? > > Regards and Safe Flying > > Tony > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:52:41 PM PST US From: DaveBuzz@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Club thanks - was Info or manual --> Europa-List message posted by: DaveBuzz@aol.com <> Cliff, Speaking as Europa Club chairman I must agree and your thanks are welcome, but I can assure you that Rowland, Jeremy, Davids Watts and Corbett, Tony, Tim and all the others who have assisted the club would value your membership even more. There is no reason whatsoever why regional Club branches could not be set up. Graham Singleton has mentioned many times the advantages of a type club, and he has many years experience with the Longeze club in the USA and around the world, as well as ours. The Europa Club website at www.europaclub.org.uk has links to all the information you could need about building a Europa, and most of that is freely available to all. Some stuff is in a 'members only' area because a few people (namely Jeremy, David Watts and Rowland) have put a lot of effort into acquiring and sorting the information: If people are willing to spend over $50000 dollars on their finished Europa, then 15 a year to show your support for these guys isn't asking too much. Recent contributions to the Club magazine have been from John Wigney and Neils Kock, and were read by more people than on this email list, I would bet. If people would like more content and experiences from other areas of the Globe, there's only one answer - join up and write! I'm happy to discuss offlist anything that can lead to more involvement worldwide in the Europa Club, including ways to assist, but in the end, volunteers count. All the best, David Bosomworth kit67, mono, flying with Europa Club chairman headset on... davebuzz@aol.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:03:19 PM PST US From: DJA727@aol.com Subject: Re: RE : Europa-List: EIS panel suggestions --> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com Hi group, Before I list this stuff on Ebay, I thought I would throw it up to the group. I am selling my vacuum system parts and a fuel gauge. The vacuum system is a Rapco system, with 215CC pump, central filter, regulator and vacuum gauge. I am asking $300 - new cost was $650. It has 100 hours of operation in the Mini U2. Also, there is a used attitude indicator for sale - rebuilt in 94 and has about 4000 to 500 hours on it since. I am asking $200 for that gyro. The final item is the UMA fuel gauge that worked fine and is in perfect condition. My sender failed and leaked slightly, so I sealed the hole and went back to the simple sight gauge. I am asking $70 for the gauge, which I believe cost about $125 new. I'll be making my first listing on Ebay in a matter of a day or so -- let me know if anyone wants any of this. I can email pictures if anyone is interested. I am curious to see how the Ebay process works. Thanks, Dave A227 Mini U2 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:12:44 PM PST US From: "Cliff Shaw" Subject: Europa-List: Do Not Arcive --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" All I found this in the FAQ in the link that Matt sent out. I think we should start to use it on all our messages that are qualify. I have seen it used occasionally so some of us know about " do not archive " . ***************************************** *** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag *** ***************************************** At times, your message may concern something that is prevalent only to a very small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the message: do not archive Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List email distribution as normal. Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds WA 98020 (425) 776-5555 N229WC "Wile E Coyote" Adding more wheels ! ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:12:44 PM PST US From: Jan de Jong Subject: Europa-List: non-toxic rust-only remover --> Europa-List message posted by: Jan de Jong FYI : http://www.evapo-rust.com/ I have no experience with it but it might be useful for cleaning slightly rusted steel parts before coating them with something - and it is world-wide available. Jan de Jong ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:51:19 PM PST US From: "Troy Maynor" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Scale calibration --> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" That's ok....;) do not archive > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeremy Davey > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 3:49 PM > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Scale calibration > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" > > > If you'd be so kind as to send me large quantities (so I can calculate the > standard deviation) I'd be very happy to weight them for you on my .001g > accuracy scales :-). 10kg should do. Larger denominations preferred. > > Kind regards, > Jeremy > > Jeremy Davey > > Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA > > Tail done > Standard XS wings awaiting mods and closing > CM ready for installation in fuse (with airbrakes fittings), but > holding off > while I do a load of small jobs first > 1100 build hours to date > > Intended fit: > Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop > Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Troy Maynor > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Scale calibration > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" > > What about US currency? ;) > > Troy Maynor > N120EU Monowheel Classic > Left to finish: > Paint,interior,engine install, wiring. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Simon Smith > > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 10:02 AM > > To: europa-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Europa-List: Scale calibration > > > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" > > > > > > For anyone in the UK that has a set of scales but no > calibration weights, > > put your hands in your pockets! > > > > The various coins that you will find have specific minted weights > > so as long > > as they have not been too worn they should weigh the following:- > > > > 1p 3.56g > > 2p 7.12g > > 5p 3.25g > > 10p 6.50g > > 20p 5g > > 50p 8g > > 1 9.5g > > 2 12g > > > > Regards > > > > Simon > > 504 G-BZTN > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:14:37 PM PST US From: "Steve Hagar" Subject: Europa-List: Auto CAD file? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" Does anyone have an accurate rendering of the XS monowheel in profile in an Auto CAD file. I am designing a trailer. The roll up on rails type isn't going to cut the mustard here with the way the traffic is out here. I am going to make it a flat bed with possibly two axels. That way if some one hits the trailer, the trailer takes the hit rather than the aircraft with over 5 years of work invested in it. I need the rendering to figure out length of ramp vs trailer height etc. To ensure I don't do any bottom scraping out when loading the beast up. Do not archive Steve A143 Mesa, AZ --- Steve Hagar --- hagargs@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:48 PM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Auto CAD file? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" --> "Steve Hagar" wrote: > Does anyone have an accurate rendering of the XS monowheel in profile in an > Auto CAD file. Steve, I used the drawings from the Europa Flight Manual and blew them up on a photocopier. I suspect they were printed from a CAD program as they seem to be perfectly to scale and they show all projections. Worked Ok. Kingsley Hurst Europa Mono Classic 281 in Oz ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:20:06 PM PST US From: "William Mills" Subject: Re: Europa-List: "Drop of the Hat" fly out. --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" Seems like a good choice, William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Burbidge" Subject: Europa-List: "Drop of the Hat" fly out. > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Burbidge" > > It is still looking like Thursday / Friday will be favourable for the next meet, providing we do not experience to much Fog with the incoming hig pressure. > > I feel we should opt for Thursday, all things being equal, and leave Friday as a fall-back. > > Any comments ? > > Regards and Safe Flying > > Tony > >