Today's Message Index:
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1. 05:54 AM - Re: Auto CAD file? (Rowland Carson)
2. 06:35 AM - Re: RE : EIS panel suggestions (RMRRick@aol.com)
3. 09:40 AM - Re: "Drop of the Hat" fly out. (bryan allsop)
4. 10:00 AM - Re: "Drop of the Hat" fly out. (bryan allsop)
5. 10:21 AM - engines? (Guil Barros)
6. 10:39 AM - Re: "Drop of the Hat" fly out. (bryan allsop)
7. 11:04 AM - Scale drawing (Fergus Kyle)
8. 11:19 AM - Re: engines? (Tom Paul)
9. 01:25 PM - Re: engines? (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
10. 02:18 PM - Re: T. P. Pip pins (Tony Renshaw)
11. 03:17 PM - "drop of the hat" fly out (Tony Burbidge)
12. 03:31 PM - Re: "drop of the hat" fly out (Ami McFadyean)
13. 03:45 PM - Re: engines? (Tom Paul)
14. 05:06 PM - Re: engines? (Alex Kaarsberg)
15. 07:33 PM - Garmin 295 as GPS Source for Data (Tony Renshaw)
16. 08:05 PM - Anybody ever fool with 914 monitoring software? (Ronald J. Parigoris)
17. 08:22 PM - Fuel filler conection (Jeff Roberts)
18. 09:30 PM - Re: Anybody ever fool with 914 monitoring software? (DJA727@aol.com)
19. 10:49 PM - Re: "drop of the hat" fly out (William Mills)
20. 10:54 PM - Re: Anybody ever fool with 914 monitoring software? (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
21. 10:57 PM - Re: Anybody ever fool with 914 monitoring software? (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
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| Subject: | Re: Auto CAD file? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
On 2003 12 03 at 08:49 +0000, Steve Hagar wrote:
>Does anyone have an accurate rendering of the XS monowheel in profile in an
>Auto CAD file
Steve - there is a file called ga.dxf on the Europa Club CD-ROM which
is the complete monowheel General Arrangement drawing in DXF format
(can be imported by pretty much any CAD application including
AutoCAD). However, you joined long before the CD was being issued to
every new member. I'll get a copy in the post to you today (Wednesday
is my day for doing Europa Club posting & banking).
regards
Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: EIS panel suggestions |
--> Europa-List message posted by: RMRRick@aol.com
John
Could not agree more. The value of the EIS is that you can set the limits
quite conservatively and that the 'out of limit' parameter flashes when
activated. My personal experience with a high EGT due to a blocked silencer was
that
the bright red flashing light gets your immediate attention which then
switches automatically to the EIS with its out of range value flashing. If the
red
warning light fails then the flashing value on the EIS would quickly get your
attention as it should be within your scan. You can of course include an
audible indicator as well if you wish. Quite brilliant.
I'm saving up for the whole Grand Rapids glass panel set up!
Rick Morris
G-RIKS
XS Tri Gear
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| Subject: | Re: "Drop of the Hat" fly out. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
I am really hoping it will be Friday, but I might make Thursday at a push.
Bryan A
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From: "Tony Burbidge" <tony.burbidge@virgin.net>
Subject: Europa-List: "Drop of the Hat" fly out.
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Burbidge"
<tony.burbidge@virgin.net>
>
> It is still looking like Thursday / Friday will be favourable for the next
meet, providing we do not experience to much Fog with the incoming hig
pressure.
>
> I feel we should opt for Thursday, all things being equal, and leave
Friday as a fall-back.
>
> Any comments ?
>
> Regards and Safe Flying
>
> Tony
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: "Drop of the Hat" fly out. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
I have just checked out the three day forcast on avnet which portrays a week
front sprawled across the UK from South Wales through East Anglia. Suggests
700 feet None VFR under the front. Think I will be playing Golf. See you
friday otherwise. Bryan A
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From: "Tony Burbidge" <tony.burbidge@virgin.net>
Subject: Europa-List: "Drop of the Hat" fly out.
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Burbidge"
<tony.burbidge@virgin.net>
>
> It is still looking like Thursday / Friday will be favourable for the next
meet, providing we do not experience to much Fog with the incoming hig
pressure.
>
> I feel we should opt for Thursday, all things being equal, and leave
Friday as a fall-back.
>
> Any comments ?
>
> Regards and Safe Flying
>
> Tony
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Guil Barros <flight@metathusalan.com>
ive been calling around to find out engine prices and have bumped into some
questions...
is the price provided by europa the regular price? it seems to be a little
high...
right now rotax (at least the canadian distributor) is having a sale with the
912ULS (including clutch) going for CAN$ 15595 (about US$12000). This seems
quite far from the Europa ~US$15500 (after you remove the FFW kit).
thoughts?
what are other places i should look for engines?
thx,
-guil
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| Subject: | Re: "Drop of the Hat" fly out. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
At the risk of sounding boring, I have just looked at the local forcast for
Peterborough. It forcasts broken skys with sunshine.....I give up!
I think I will draw the curtains in the morning, and decide then.
Regards Bryan A
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Burbidge" <tony.burbidge@virgin.net>
Subject: Europa-List: "Drop of the Hat" fly out.
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Burbidge"
<tony.burbidge@virgin.net>
>
> It is still looking like Thursday / Friday will be favourable for the next
meet, providing we do not experience to much Fog with the incoming hig
pressure.
>
> I feel we should opt for Thursday, all things being equal, and leave
Friday as a fall-back.
>
> Any comments ?
>
> Regards and Safe Flying
>
> Tony
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Cheers:
"I used the drawings from the Europa Flight Manual and blew them up on a
photocopier. I suspect they were printed from a CAD program as they
Seem to be perfectly to scale and they show all projections. Worked Ok."
I put the canoe together and took some measurements because it appears I
have 1-3/4" to spare when assembled. In the process, I had to revise the
tailwheel to new position and redraw the wheel (both retracted and
extended). Incidentally, the ectended wheel tangents the top of the scale
line on the drawing (as accurately as 2mm measures it).
The guy who must have the best three views is the chap who markets the radio
control model as he says he models to amazing accuracy.
Ferg
A064
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Tom Paul <tom@tompaul.com>
Rans sell the 912uls for 11,600 if you are buying it with one of their kits.
Why is the europa price so much more?
On 12/3/03 1:21 PM, "Guil Barros" <flight@metathusalan.com> wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Guil Barros <flight@metathusalan.com>
>
> ive been calling around to find out engine prices and have bumped into some
> questions...
>
> is the price provided by europa the regular price? it seems to be a little
> high...
>
> right now rotax (at least the canadian distributor) is having a sale with the
> 912ULS (including clutch) going for CAN$ 15595 (about US$12000). This seems
> quite far from the Europa ~US$15500 (after you remove the FFW kit).
>
> thoughts?
>
> what are other places i should look for engines?
>
> thx,
> -guil
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>>> Rans sell the 912uls for 11,600 if you are buying it with one of
their kits.
>> Why is the europa price so much more?
Have you made sure that you've also added in the coolant bottle, ring
mount, slipper clutch etc etc ?
I know at least one owner who decided to source his own 912S and then
buy the Europa FFW kit only to discover that the Europa supplied 912S
has quite a few bits on it that the base 912S doesn't have.
Tony
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| Subject: | Re: T. P. Pip pins |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Steve,
What is this about larger pip pins, and why do you reckon you need them??? This
is news to me. I am wondering whether there is a benefit in retrofitting, yet
another job. I drilled mine out in the stabs by hand, and didn't give a lot of
consideration to the frictional forces creating heat that could weaken the flox
securing them. Of course it would by rights just reset, but I dont like the
idea of resetting composite material. I'd prefer to get it right the first
time, but this aspect didn't cross my mind way back then. I am making progress,
which is a good change, and I got that tail displacement under control. Thanks
again for those dimensional photos you sent me. I used them and also noted that
the max deflections are controlled by the limitations of movement of the mass
balance weights. So, I can get my weights very low as I removed the dowel
originally used, and at the top I am going to pad out the splash I made of the
underside of the top fuse. All in all I will get now whatever that ends up to
be, and I then connected up the trim T piece, and sanded out the slots to
accomodate full deflection. It worked well, and with cross reference to your
dimensions, we are similar. So, have you got an engine type sorted, and prop,
instruments etc. The answer to this might be on your web site, and without
blowing smoke up your ar..., I appreciate you doing it, especially picture
dominated. I visit it oftern. So, happy building.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
Classic 236 Taildragger (possibly convertible)
Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
Intended Engine: 912S or a "turboed single rotor rotary, when I am dreaming"
Instrumentation: Undecided
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| Subject: | "drop of the hat" fly out |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Burbidge" <tony.burbidge@virgin.net>
The latest weather forecast for tomorrow is a little inconclusive, to say the least.
I think a look at Thursday mornings TAFS / METARS will be decision time
to go, or postpone until Friday.
Regards and safe flying
Tony
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| Subject: | Re: "drop of the hat" fly out |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Sunday would be better!!
Duncan McF
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Burbidge" <tony.burbidge@virgin.net>
Subject: Europa-List: "drop of the hat" fly out
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Burbidge"
<tony.burbidge@virgin.net>
>
> The latest weather forecast for tomorrow is a little inconclusive, to say
the least. I think a look at Thursday mornings TAFS / METARS will be
decision time to go, or postpone until Friday.
>
> Regards and safe flying
>
> Tony
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Tom Paul <tom@tompaul.com>
Yeah, I don't know about the extras. It does come with the clutch, but the
rest I don't know. Anyway, by the time I need an engine, there may be a
200 SHP mini-turbine to make my XS cruise at 260 knots and climb 3,400 fpm.
Guys gotta dream...
Tom
mini-turbineOn 12/3/03 4:21 PM, "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>
>>>> Rans sell the 912uls for 11,600 if you are buying it with one of
> their kits.
>>> Why is the europa price so much more?
>
> Have you made sure that you've also added in the coolant bottle, ring
> mount, slipper clutch etc etc ?
>
> I know at least one owner who decided to source his own 912S and then
> buy the Europa FFW kit only to discover that the Europa supplied 912S
> has quite a few bits on it that the base 912S doesn't have.
>
> Tony
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Alex Kaarsberg <kaarsber@terra.com.br>
Tom Paul wrote:
>
>Yeah, I don't know about the extras. It does come with the clutch, but the
>rest I don't know. Anyway, by the time I need an engine, there may be a
>200 SHP mini-turbine to make my XS cruise at 260 knots and climb 3,400 fpm.
>Guys gotta dream...
>
>Tom
>
....yeah, or Bombardier could get sold off to, say Honeywell and then
they could call it Integrated Power Plant and start charging 25K for
it...... :-D
Seriously though, Id surely like to find a new 912S at somewhere near
12K....
Alex
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| Subject: | Garmin 295 as GPS Source for Data |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Gidday,
I am wondering if anyone is using output data from a Garmin 295 for
anything, like a moving map on another system?
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
Classic 236 Taildragger (possibly convertible)
Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
Intended Engine: 912S or a "turboed single rotor rotary, when I am dreaming"
Instrumentation: Undecided
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| Subject: | Anybody ever fool with 914 monitoring software? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Anyone have hands on with 914 monitoring software?
What exact information does it provide to you, and allow you to do?
Could you feed the info to a PDA and use it as an engine monitor when flying?
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Fuel filler conection |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
I have just connected my fuel filler with one of the aluminum elbows I
received from Flight Crafters. We used 2 pieces of 2-inch marine grade red
dot hose on each end with clamps to connect it. My question is should I have
put any sort of dressing onto the fuel tank outlet and the plastic filler
connected to the fuselage. I used double clamps on all connections and it
feels very tight. Hope I don't have to worry about any leeks.
Thanks in advance,
Jeff
A258 Tri
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| Subject: | Re: Anybody ever fool with 914 monitoring software? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
In a message dated 12/3/2003 8:06:05 PM Pacific Standard Time,
rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us writes:
> Anyone have hands on with 914 monitoring software?
>
> What exact information does it provide to you, and allow you to do?
>
> Could you feed the info to a PDA and use it as an engine monitor when
> flying?
>
>
RPM, Airbox pressure, Ambient pressure, Airbox temp, Throttle position, Servo
position. It is a DOS program that is very simple and useful -- mainly to
look at things you don't normally see like airbox temp. That is why I now know
that I need an intercooler to get better MP at high altitude - bumping up
against the airbox temp limit - indicated on a laptop computer on one flight.
Dave
A227
Mini U2
135 hours
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| Subject: | Re: "drop of the hat" fly out |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Tony,
Will you e-mail your decision by say 10.00hrs
William
do not archive
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| Subject: | Anybody ever fool with 914 monitoring software? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
Ron,
The 914 TCU has a scrambled data output which talks to the Rotax monitoring application.
It provides quite a bit of information about the status of the engine...much
of which would be useful in flight.
As yet I have not been able to decrypt the stream for airborne use... but it doesn't
mean that I'm not trying.
Regards
Tony
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| Subject: | Anybody ever fool with 914 monitoring software? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
There must be some way of convincing Rotax to part with the the encryption mechanism
for this data.
I want to take the information and feed it into my homebuilt flight management
system without having to have a laptop on board.
I've asked them but got a rather non cooperative reply.
Tony
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