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1. 01:54 AM - Re: "drop of the hat" fly out - Connington (David Barraclough)
2. 02:24 AM - Re: "drop of the hat" fly out - Connington (Miles McCallum)
3. 08:49 AM - Re: "drop of the hat" fly out - Connington (William Mills)
4. 10:29 AM - "Drop of the Hat" fly out (Tony Burbidge)
5. 11:07 AM - Build related messages please (Stephan Cassel)
6. 11:47 AM - Re: Build related messages please (Chuck Popenoe)
7. 12:05 PM - Re: Build related messages please (Cliff Shaw)
8. 12:51 PM - Re: Build related messages please (Jos Okhuijsen)
9. 12:57 PM - Re: Build related messages please (bryan allsop)
10. 01:17 PM - Re: Build related messages please (Jeff Roberts)
11. 01:28 PM - Re: Build related messages please (Cliff Shaw)
12. 01:30 PM - Re: Build related messages please (Stephan Cassel)
13. 01:36 PM - Re: Build related messages please (KARL HEINDL)
14. 01:50 PM - Re: Build related messages please (Gerry Holland)
15. 02:03 PM - Re: Build related messages please ()
16. 03:03 PM - Conninton Sunday (bryan allsop)
17. 03:05 PM - Sunday Conninton (bryan allsop)
18. 03:14 PM - Re: Build related messages please (Jos Okhuijsen)
19. 04:27 PM - Rumblings of decention in the camp! (R.C.Harrison)
20. 04:46 PM - Re: Rumblings of decention in the camp! (Jeff Roberts)
21. 05:08 PM - Re: Build related messages please (Troy Maynor)
22. 05:29 PM - Question for those who have been there before (Steve Hagar)
23. 05:44 PM - Clear on Plastics (Ronald J. Parigoris)
24. 06:35 PM - Rotax 912 SALE (Cliff Shaw)
25. 07:46 PM - Re: Build related messages please (Michael Grass)
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| Subject: | Re: "drop of the hat" fly out - Connington |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Barraclough" <David@dbarraclough.com>
Since when has POPHAM been more CENTRAL!!!!!!!!!!
There are Europa flyers north of Watford Gap you know!
DB
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: "drop of the hat" fly out - Connington
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
<combined.merchants@virgin.net>
>
> Duncan and Bryan,
> Any particular reason to repeat Connington? Four Europas made Connington,
> so it would be nice to do one of the others on Sunday. There is Cromer,
Old
> Buckenham and Beccles all in that neck of the woods, or Enstone and Popham
a
> bit more central. May I suggest we have a weekend fly-in as well as a
> midweek one with different venues each time?
> Best wishes,
> William
> Do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: "drop of the hat" fly out - Connington
>
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| Subject: | Re: "drop of the hat" fly out - Connington |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Miles McCallum" <milesm@avnet.co.uk>
everyone knows that Popham is the centre of the universe...
M
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Barraclough" <David@dbarraclough.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: "drop of the hat" fly out - Connington
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Barraclough"
<David@dbarraclough.com>
>
> Since when has POPHAM been more CENTRAL!!!!!!!!!!
> There are Europa flyers north of Watford Gap you know!
>
> DB
>
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| Subject: | Re: "drop of the hat" fly out - Connington |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
David,
You are quite right. It was not intentional, but I suppose I was thinking
east / west and the pilots who have been attending of late.
Sheffield is a bit further North, or even Eshott, but I don't think the
Southerners could make Eshott return in a day in comfort. Perhaps when the
days get longer.
Are there enough flying Europas in the north to make up a Northern Fly-in
Group?
Best wishes,
William
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Barraclough" <David@dbarraclough.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: "drop of the hat" fly out - Connington
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Barraclough"
<David@dbarraclough.com>
>
> Since when has POPHAM been more CENTRAL!!!!!!!!!!
> There are Europa flyers north of Watford Gap you know!
>
> DB
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| Subject: | "Drop of the Hat" fly out |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Burbidge" <tony.burbidge@virgin.net>
Oh the vageries of the weather !!
The Met Office forecast for yesterday the 3/12/03 was almost as we found it, solid
overcast above 1.5 to 2K
and very flyable, and ended with the comment, "little or
no change " over the next 24hrs.
Where did todays wall to wall sunshine come from??
Never mind, I am sure that all of us that made it had an
enjoyable time and a good laugh.
It was suggested that perhaps Paddy Clark might like
to pick up the batton for the next meet. (sorry mate).
Regards and Safe Flying
Tony
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| Subject: | Build related messages please |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Stephan Cassel" <cassel@sensewave.com>
Dear builders/flyers
Build related messages please!
It is hard to read all messages and flight planning, weather broadcast
and
so forth makes it even more difficult.
But I understand it is a good "channel" to exchange that kind of
information.
Is it possible to setup another maillist? Europa-info-list@matronics.com
Then it is up to you what kind of information you want.
Many mail clients are able to filter incomming mail so Europa-info goes
into one folder
and europa-build goes into another folder.
Just a thought
Regards
Stephan Cassel
#556 - working in the "boat"
My inbox is full of europa-list messages that i
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| Subject: | Build related messages please |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Chuck Popenoe" <cpops@verizon.net>
Great suggestion, Stephan!
Pops
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephan Cassel
Subject: Europa-List: Build related messages please
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Stephan Cassel"
--> <cassel@sensewave.com>
Dear builders/flyers
Build related messages please!
It is hard to read all messages and flight planning, weather broadcast and
so forth makes it even more difficult.
But I understand it is a good "channel" to exchange that kind of
information.
Is it possible to setup another maillist? Europa-info-list@matronics.com
Then it is up to you what kind of information you want.
Many mail clients are able to filter incomming mail so Europa-info goes into
one folder and europa-build goes into another folder.
Just a thought
Regards
Stephan Cassel
#556 - working in the "boat"
My inbox is full of europa-list messages that i
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | Re: Build related messages please |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
I would like to strongly second that thought !!!!!!!!
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds WA 98020
(425) 776-5555
N229WC "Wile E Coyote"
New Email:" flyinggpa@comcast.net " converting to Tryk !
>
> Dear builders/flyers
>
> Build related messages please!
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| Subject: | Re: Build related messages please |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jos Okhuijsen <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Hi Stephan,
Another list for non building related messages? Please not. Although i can
only dream about making a "friday" trip to Sloan or whatever place the fly-
ins are held, it is nice dreaming, while gluing the parts together. The
writers and readers of the forum are a mix of builders and those lucky
b#%&s who are allready flying. That ensures that there is a marvellous
feedback, both technically and socially. We should not try to limit the
chatter in this family in any way, nor try to separate. The list, as it
works now, even with the non-building noise is not a heavy one. Some 15
messages a day at max should not be a problem for any reasonably up to date
system. What about hitting the DEL button for those you don't think to ever
need in the future? Being able to throw away is a value. Missing out is
not. Just my 10 cnts.
do not archive
Jos Okhuijsen.
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| Subject: | Re: Build related messages please |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Generally speaking, the activity on this list is quite small in comparison
with others I have seen. I can understand that those who are still building
may view the fliers as being "another race". I can assure them that is not
true!
If the fliers (ex builders in the main) have to be booted off onto another
site, builders are likely to miss some useful contributions.
If we were to follow the argument further, should we have a separate site
for 914 owners who seem to speak a language of their own. Perhaps trike
builders should be separated too.
Surely the fact that each e-mail is clearly titled is sufficient to enable
members to select those mailings they wish to read. Personally I do not read
the mail that does not interest me. Some would criticise me for that no
doubt, but live and let live. Indeed there may be builders out there who
want to see the fliers using the list for what it was intended,
communication between us Europa enthusiasts.
The fact is that builders are reading fliers mail, and are turning up at
Fly-ins in alternative transport. Are you suggesting that this is wrong?
One of the culprits.......... Bryan
---- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Build related messages please
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
>
> I would like to strongly second that thought !!!!!!!!
>
> Cliff Shaw
> 1041 Euclid ave.
> Edmonds WA 98020
> (425) 776-5555
> N229WC "Wile E Coyote"
> New Email:" flyinggpa@comcast.net " converting to Tryk !
>
>
> >
> > Dear builders/flyers
> >
> > Build related messages please!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Build related messages please |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 12/5/03 3:50 PM, Jos Okhuijsen at josok-e@ukolo.fi wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Jos Okhuijsen <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
>
> What about hitting the DEL button for those you don't think to ever
> need in the future? Being able to throw away is a value. Missing out is
> not. Just my 10 cnts.
>
> do not archive
>
> Jos Okhuijsen.
>
>
>
>
>
>
Hit the delete button. Thats what I do when I see (Drop of the Hat). It's
easy just click, but once in a while I like to invision me flying my Europa
over there in Europe to show the Brits how it's done. So I read a message or
two and fantasize of the day.
Just Kidding!
Let them talk, I like to listen, once in a while.
Jeff
A258
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| Subject: | Re: Build related messages please |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
do not archive
OK OK I withdraw my "second" . You guys win !
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds WA 98020
(425) 776-5555
N229WC "Wile E Coyote"
> >
> > What about hitting the DEL button
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| Subject: | Build related messages please |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Stephan Cassel" <cassel@sensewave.com>
Bryan!
Hold your horses
OK, build related was wrong. Sorry. It should say Build and flying
related.
(I regret this message-tread. Please do not reply. Stop the debate. Be
happy)
Stephan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bryan
allsop
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Build related messages please
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop"
<info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Generally speaking, the activity on this list is quite small in
comparison
with others I have seen. I can understand that those who are still
building
may view the fliers as being "another race". I can assure them that is
not
true!
If the fliers (ex builders in the main) have to be booted off onto
another
site, builders are likely to miss some useful contributions.
If we were to follow the argument further, should we have a separate
site
for 914 owners who seem to speak a language of their own. Perhaps trike
builders should be separated too.
Surely the fact that each e-mail is clearly titled is sufficient to
enable
members to select those mailings they wish to read. Personally I do not
read
the mail that does not interest me. Some would criticise me for that no
doubt, but live and let live. Indeed there may be builders out there who
want to see the fliers using the list for what it was intended,
communication between us Europa enthusiasts.
The fact is that builders are reading fliers mail, and are turning up at
Fly-ins in alternative transport. Are you suggesting that this is wrong?
One of the culprits.......... Bryan
---- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Build related messages please
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw"
<flyinggpa@comcast.net>
>
> I would like to strongly second that thought !!!!!!!!
>
> Cliff Shaw
> 1041 Euclid ave.
> Edmonds WA 98020
> (425) 776-5555
> N229WC "Wile E Coyote"
> New Email:" flyinggpa@comcast.net " converting to Tryk !
>
>
> >
> > Dear builders/flyers
> >
> > Build related messages please!
>
>
=
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==
==
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| Subject: | Re: Build related messages please |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
do not archive
I think the only problem with any personal or for most builders
irrelevant messages is that they should always be prefixed do not archive.
I have not been brave enough to use the archive but I bet that it
contains an awful lot of useless information.
Cheers, Karl
>From: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Build related messages please
>Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 08:57:40 -0000
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop"
><info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
>
>Generally speaking, the activity on this list is quite small in comparison
>with others I have seen. I can understand that those who are still building
>may view the fliers as being "another race". I can assure them that is not
>true!
>If the fliers (ex builders in the main) have to be booted off onto another
>site, builders are likely to miss some useful contributions.
>If we were to follow the argument further, should we have a separate site
>for 914 owners who seem to speak a language of their own. Perhaps trike
>builders should be separated too.
>Surely the fact that each e-mail is clearly titled is sufficient to enable
>members to select those mailings they wish to read. Personally I do not
>read
>the mail that does not interest me. Some would criticise me for that no
>doubt, but live and let live. Indeed there may be builders out there who
>want to see the fliers using the list for what it was intended,
>communication between us Europa enthusiasts.
>The fact is that builders are reading fliers mail, and are turning up at
>Fly-ins in alternative transport. Are you suggesting that this is wrong?
>
>One of the culprits.......... Bryan
>
>---- Original Message -----
>From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Build related messages please
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
> >
> > I would like to strongly second that thought !!!!!!!!
> >
> > Cliff Shaw
> > 1041 Euclid ave.
> > Edmonds WA 98020
> > (425) 776-5555
> > N229WC "Wile E Coyote"
> > New Email:" flyinggpa@comcast.net " converting to Tryk !
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Dear builders/flyers
> > >
> > > Build related messages please!
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Build related messages please |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Why have we suddenly got an undercurrent of dissent because Flyers are using
the Europa Forum to communicate. I am fortunate enough to be building still,
I'm also fortunate enough to have several completed Europa's in my area with
whom I fly whenever there is the chance.
The interesting fact is that ALL or most of the the Flyers are still adding
too or changing what was previously built. They also 'maintain'.
Cliff Shaw who made comment on this supposed aggravation on flying matters
had until recently flown his Monowheel is now changing it to a Trigear. Is
that building or rebuilding or what! So which Forum would he subscribe too?
There is enough crap in every day normal e-mails and we deal with that by
using delete key as required or spam filter. The Europa Forum very rarely
covers subjects that veer away from EUROPA'S. So what is the problem.
The simple answer is to ensure that the 'subject' is more precise to the
content of the mail note thus allowing those who find the 'flying
communication' irksome some latitude to delete without reading.
Really! As someone mused, each chapter of the build manual will have a Forum
if we are not careful.
Fly, Build, Dream. Just bloody enjoy and and find the delete button.
Start with this message if you like!!!
Regards
Gerry
Gerry Holland
Europa 384 G-FIZY
Trigear with 912 and Arplast CS Prop.
Fuselage being Painted, Wings ready to paint, Flying surfaces painted
Airframe Wiring complete, Full Size Panel 50% done . Includes Dynon EFIS,
KMD 150,
Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder. AoA Fitted.
Activity on Panel completion, Design and build Heater Unit.
+44 7808 402404
gnholland@onetel.com
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| Subject: | Build related messages please |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
"
> What about hitting the DEL button for those you don't think to ever
> need in the future? Being able to throw away is a value. Missing out
> is not. Just my 10 cnts.
>
Jeff
There are about 1000 kits out now and there are increasing pockets of
Europa concentrations several places in the US, Canada, NZ, Oz and there
will be more of them. If all areas have weekly discussions of
suitability, weather, etc. and then with the post flight discussion, the
forum will be impossible. I appreciate that you guys in an area of the
UK are enjoying your trips but I am sure that you can see if there were
10 or 20 other groups doing likewise, it would not work.
Here in Southwest US there are quite a number flying or soon to fly and
I hope that we might have perhaps quarterly get togethers someday.
Tom Friedland
XS Mono Jab Airmaster. Priming and a few weeks of doodads to go.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Roberts
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Build related messages please
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 12/5/03 3:50 PM, Jos Okhuijsen at josok-e@ukolo.fi wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Jos Okhuijsen <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
>
> What about hitting the DEL button for those you don't think to ever
> need in the future? Being able to throw away is a value. Missing out
is
> not. Just my 10 cnts.
>
> do not archive
>
> Jos Okhuijsen.
>
>
>
>
>
>
Hit the delete button. Thats what I do when I see (Drop of the Hat).
It's
easy just click, but once in a while I like to invision me flying my
Europa
over there in Europe to show the Brits how it's done. So I read a
message or
two and fantasize of the day.
Just Kidding!
Let them talk, I like to listen, once in a while.
Jeff
A258
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| Subject: | Conninton Sunday |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Sorry William, but I think we will stick to the Connington venue because it
is a chance for the "working" Europans to participate in a Fly-in. Hopefully
those who made it on Thursday will be prepared to put their hands in their
pockets for a replay.
We, more privileged weekday aviators can enjoy one of the other freebies
during the week I am almost afraid to whisper that the forecast is good for
Sunday, so there could be a good turnout
Best regards Bryan.
(Do not archive)
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| Subject: | Sunday Conninton |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Sorry William, but I think we will stick to the Connington venue because it
is a chance for the "working" Europans to participate in a Fly-in. Hopefully
those who made it on Thursday will be prepared to put their hands in their
pockets for a replay.
We, more privileged weekday aviators can enjoy one of the other freebies
during the week I am almost afraid to whisper that the forecast is good for
Sunday, so there could be a good turnout
Best regards Bryan.
(Do not archive)
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| Subject: | Re: Build related messages please |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jos Okhuijsen <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
> UK are enjoying your trips but I am sure that you can see if there were
> 10 or 20 other groups doing likewise, it would not work.
If it were, and when, and maybe it would work. It is not like an acute
problem to be handled now eh?
> Here in Southwest US there are quite a number flying or soon to fly and
> I hope that we might have perhaps quarterly get togethers someday.
It's a good idea eh? And maybe some visitor would be very interested to
know if and when you would have such a session. Like i spent a month in
Naples, FL and would have enjoyed a fly-in there!
Jos
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| Subject: | Rumblings of decention in the camp! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Guys.
On the question of suitability of our Fly In escapades and the nuisance value of
such postings, please consider my circumstances of having a different engine
to the masses and the need for me to subscribe to the Sonex Jabiru engine forum
also.
That forum has as many postings , probably twice over the Europa Forum and I personally
find it interesting to read and try to help others with technical problems
without them "reinventing the wheel".
We not too long ago heard calls for those out of the morass of build matters to
spare a thought for those following and provide encouragement to the builders
to press on.
Sorry chaps perhaps the word to have used was "MOTIVATION" . Methinks we have provided
the best incentive possible ..... that of demonstrating that it is all
worth the hassle of building in the end, stop bloody moaning and "get your fingers
out" to join us.
My problem now is which damn "fly in" group will I attend ?
Especially since "Chaiman " Allsop seems to have started a secondary group. If
he had been at the last "Connington " trip he would know how close my suggestion
came to voting Duncan to take over the "mantle" of Organiser by rotation!
Hopefully Paddy will assume the Weekly organisers crown as voted and advise the
best plan of action.
If I don't fly this next week I'll have wasted the Sheffield, Beccles and Old Sarum
voucher options which I have left in the my Flyer copy.
Alternatively anyone want me to send them the Beccles and Old Sarum vouchers let
me know because I'll be in Savannah on the 17th through 4th Jan. singing "Moon
River"!. I'm intending using the Sheffield voucher myself between now and
the 17th anyway.
"Come on now settle down chaps!"
I had another local flight over the Humber Bridge today anyway. Excellent visibility
above the density layer at 1200ft level eat your hearts out !
Regards
Bob Harrison Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300 (450 hours and Climbing!)
Don't archive! (not interesting enough!)
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| Subject: | Re: Rumblings of decention in the camp! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 12/5/03 7:38 PM, R.C.Harrison at ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
>
>
> "Come on now settle down chaps!"
> I had another local flight over the Humber Bridge today anyway. Excellent
> visibility above the density layer at 1200ft level eat your hearts out !
> Regards
> Bob Harrison Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300 (450 hours and Climbing!)
>
> Don't archive! (not interesting enough!)
>
Do not archive!
Now that's what I call Motavation!
Jeff
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| Subject: | Build related messages please |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
Well said Gerry!
We went down this path only a few months ago. I get as much help, if not
more, from flyers than fellow builders. It is easy to tell if the message is
pertenant to your interests by just looking at the subject line, providing
we all try to keep the subject line pure to content. We are all
Europaphiles. do not archive
Troy Maynor
N120EU Monowheel Classic
Left to finish:
Paint,interior,engine install, wiring.
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
>
> Why have we suddenly got an undercurrent of dissent because
> Flyers are using
> the Europa Forum to communicate. I am fortunate enough to be
> building still,
> I'm also fortunate enough to have several completed Europa's in
> my area with
> whom I fly whenever there is the chance.
>
> The interesting fact is that ALL or most of the the Flyers are
> still adding
> too or changing what was previously built. They also 'maintain'.
>
> Cliff Shaw who made comment on this supposed aggravation on flying matters
> had until recently flown his Monowheel is now changing it to a Trigear. Is
> that building or rebuilding or what! So which Forum would he
> subscribe too?
>
> There is enough crap in every day normal e-mails and we deal with that by
> using delete key as required or spam filter. The Europa Forum very rarely
> covers subjects that veer away from EUROPA'S. So what is the problem.
>
> The simple answer is to ensure that the 'subject' is more precise to the
> content of the mail note thus allowing those who find the 'flying
> communication' irksome some latitude to delete without reading.
>
> Really! As someone mused, each chapter of the build manual will
> have a Forum
> if we are not careful.
>
> Fly, Build, Dream. Just bloody enjoy and and find the delete button.
>
> Start with this message if you like!!!
>
> Regards
>
> Gerry
>
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| Subject: | Question for those who have been there before |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
The beast is going to get rolled out into the driveway this weekend for
several undertakings. The wings are going to be inserted and the length of
the outriggers set and outriggers installed. Up until now the wings have
only been installed with the fuselage in its cradle never on its own
wheels. I am also going to put gasoline in the tank and turn on the 2
electric fuel pumps. Checking for leaks and proper operation etc. Better
to leak and burn outside the house rather than inside. Lastly putting the
mil connectors on the wings to fire up the strobes and nav lights. For
those who have been there before, any Faux pas to look out for (especially
with the gasoline?)
Thanks buds
Steve
A143
Mesa, AZ
--- Steve Hagar
--- hagargs@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Clear on Plastics |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
For what its worth.
I purchased some 3 and 4 mil clear plastic from Home depot, perhaps a 3 months
ago for laying up on.
Ran out and picked up some more.
The new stuff carried by Home Depot on long Island New York now has a release
agent on it! Instead of being perfectly clear, it has a slight opaque color to
it.
If you aggressively rub your fingers on it, you can feel it.
All their stock now has the release agent on it.
Perhaps it is not an issue, but since i don't know if there is a chance or not
of it making its way onto my lay-up, i will not use the stuff with release agent
on it.
I have heard of folk laying up on wax paper, did not like that idea.
Anybody know with reasonable certainty if laying up on plastic with release
agent, or laying up on wax paper can affect future lay-ups, or trying to paint
or fill ontop?
Ron Parigoris
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
All
I got this from EAA today
Rotax Announces End-of-Year Engine Sale
Rotax has announced a never-before-offered, end-of-year sale for its two- and four-stroke
engines. Interested buyers can save up to $393 on various two-stroke
models, or up to $1,661 on various four-stroke models. However, the Rotax 447
and Rotax 914 engines are exempted from this offer.
This offer is good on existing engines in the inventory of any of Kodiak Research's
North American distributors and is valid on any engines paid for by December
24, 2003. For more information, contact your local Rotax distributor or Lockwood
Aviation Supply, 800/527-6829.
do not archive
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds WA 98020
(425) 776-5555
N229WC "Wile E Coyote"
New Email:" flyinggpa@comcast.net "
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| Subject: | Re: Build related messages please |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net>
Hi all,
I just started to built and I enjoy it much. I am honest to say that I am
not (yet) interested in the non building related posting. But I do
understand that a lot of the flying builders have a huge advantage in
respect of building knowledge. This means that there are representing a huge
resource for answering questions.
In order to help both sides, I would suggest that all Fly in related
messages may start in their subject line like this: !!!Fly-In!!! . All of
us builders who do not won't to get to much frustrated about all those fly
ins missed, because the aircraft is still not done, could then set a filter
in the message rules in the tools setting with the instruction to delete
this message containing "!!!Fly-In!!!" in their subject line.
I do think the idea of the "do not archive" statement in the body of the
text has the main purpose to not fill mats server with information which
will be obsolete in a few days.
Just my thought.
Michael Grass
A266 Trigear, Stage 1 almost done.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jos Okhuijsen" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Build related messages please
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Jos Okhuijsen <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
>
> > UK are enjoying your trips but I am sure that you can see if there were
> > 10 or 20 other groups doing likewise, it would not work.
> If it were, and when, and maybe it would work. It is not like an acute
> problem to be handled now eh?
> > Here in Southwest US there are quite a number flying or soon to fly and
> > I hope that we might have perhaps quarterly get togethers someday.
> It's a good idea eh? And maybe some visitor would be very interested to
> know if and when you would have such a session. Like i spent a month in
> Naples, FL and would have enjoyed a fly-in there!
>
> Jos
>
>
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