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1. 03:17 AM - Re: "Drop of the Hat" fly out week 8/12 (P.A.D.Clarke)
2. 07:03 AM - So much to learn...... (Fergus Kyle)
3. 08:57 AM - Drop of the hat fly in! / Next issue of "Today's Pilot Mag." (R.C.Harrison)
4. 09:36 AM - Brake master Cylinder (Richard Holder)
5. 10:43 AM - Re: Drop of the hat fly in! / Next issue of "Today's Pilot Mag." (Ami McFadyean)
6. 10:54 AM - Completed cost for VFR & IFR Europa Tri-gear (asdfa afa df)
7. 11:06 AM - wiring (paul stewart)
8. 11:34 AM - Re: Completed cost for VFR & IFR Europa Tri-gear (Paul McAllister)
9. 11:54 AM - Re: Brake master Cylinder (tom@tompaul.com)
10. 12:25 PM - Re: wiring (Gerry Holland)
11. 12:50 PM - Re: wiring (Cliff Shaw)
12. 01:02 PM - Re: Brake master Cylinder (Richard Holder)
13. 01:02 PM - Re: wiring (Richard Holder)
14. 01:09 PM - Re: Drop of the hat fly in! / Next issue of "Today's Pilot Mag." (bryan allsop)
15. 02:39 PM - Re: Brake master Cylinder (Cliff Shaw)
16. 02:49 PM - Misfire (Richard Holder)
17. 03:02 PM - Wiring in G-OWWW (Richard Holder)
18. 03:06 PM - Re: Misfire (Cliff Shaw)
19. 04:25 PM - Sunday Fly-in, Vacant seats (Graham Singleton)
20. 07:03 PM - Completed cost for VFR & IFR Europa Tri-gear (asdfa afa df)
21. 08:01 PM - EuropaOwners Message Board - An Idea (ScramIt@aol.com)
22. 08:37 PM - Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs (Tony Renshaw)
23. 08:41 PM - Re: EuropaOwners Message Board - An Idea (Cliff Shaw)
24. 09:03 PM - For Builders and Flyers alike (Kingsley Hurst)
25. 09:15 PM - Re: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs (Cliff Shaw)
26. 09:28 PM - Re: For Builders and Flyers alike (Kingsley Hurst)
27. 11:06 PM - Re: Drop of the hat fly in! / Next issue of "Today's Pilot Mag." (William Mills)
28. 11:35 PM - Re: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs (Kingsley Hurst)
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| Subject: | Re: "Drop of the Hat" fly out week 8/12 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "P.A.D.Clarke" <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
Hi All,
This week's venue is Old Sarum, voucher in Flyer. I appreciate
its a long way for some, but I think its a good idea to move it around a
bit. We might even see a one or two new faces from the South/Southwest, and
the food is good!. For those that don't know Old Sarum, its in the Boscombe
MATZ, so in the week you have to talk to Boscombe on 126.7 and observe the
standard ARR/DEP procedures via Alderbury.
As to the day - the BBC forecast favours Tue or Thur (
Weather.com is completely different, so who knows ? }. Watch this space!!!.
Cheers, Paddy Clarke. do not archive
>
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| Subject: | So much to learn...... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
From: "Jeff Roberts" <jeff@rmmm.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rumblings of decention in the camp!
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 12/5/03 7:38 PM, R.C.Harrison at ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
<ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
>
>
> "Come on now settle down chaps!"
> I had another local flight over the Humber Bridge today anyway. Excellent
> visibility above the density layer at 1200ft level eat your hearts out !
> Regards
> Bob Harrison Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300 (450 hours and Climbing!)
>
> Don't archive! (not interesting enough!)
>
Do not archive!
Now that's what I call Motavation!
Jeff
Most hartning..........
Ferg
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| Subject: | Drop of the hat fly in! / Next issue of "Today's Pilot Mag." |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Guys........... and Gals!
Who said the Blighty weather was crap?Hear this you chaps in OZ and NZ , What a
fantastic day out to Connington..........again, with "wall to wall" blue skies
and 1032 millibars.
Hope you landed safely William ? but I expect a grass landing wouldn't be a problem
with the pooly leg.
I reported a DOOR STRUT on the 10 "charlie" departure point at Connington. Probably
off a Europa and may even be yours William since I guess you had the door
open just prior to your departing?
Anyway I asked the controller to arrange to pick it up so they may just have it
saved if "who ever" contacts them.
Pity about the =A310 landing .... never thought to buy another Flyer for the voucher!
Nevertheless good company, good food and excellent new facilities, highly recommendable
to those who haven't sampled it yet.
Don't think I can find the time this week to make Old Sarum ...Paddy as much as
I'd enjoy it , getting to "headless chicken time " cases to pack etc. etc.
Just in case I don't make it (to the next few Fly IN trips!) I'd like to extend
wishes to "all and sundry" for a Happy Christmas and safe flying for the forthcoming
year . Hey! two weeks and the days start getting longer !!!!!!!
Be sure to order the next issue of "Today's Pilot Mag"..... there's a good Europa
item in it !!!!
Best regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | Brake master Cylinder |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Hi Team
As a diversion from trying to balance my carbs today (don't ask - not good
news) I decided I would adjust my brakes. I use the two tri-gear master
cylinders but in the wheel well, to provide finger brakes.
The first one went well (adjustment involves adding brake fluid into the
filler hole in the master cylinder), the second went really badly and I have
ended up cross-threading the filler screw.
Damn, big mistake as accessibility in there is not good.
Retapping is possible but I will have to be careful to keep the swarf away
and indeed to clean it out well.
Does anyone know what size the thread is ? It would seem to be the same size
as the drain plug on the oil reservoir.
Alternatively a new master cylinder is called for :-( Does anyone have a
spare or a source for this item ?
For now I have got the filler screw in and it doesn't leak but it is not a
permanent fix.
Tomorrow I will test-fly AGAIN to see if I have fixed the misfire. I found
that one throttle cable outer where it is fixed to the throttle lever
housing was loose. Access to that was fun too (involved removal from the
carbs) ! And of course that meant I had to balance the carbs again. I have
bought the 52 carb balancer but it gave weird readings, not helped by the
"Cable breaks -> full throttle" aviation approach. If I got the thing
balanced at 5000 rpm then it never got a sensible idle. Either one carb in
the green or the other - never both !
Does anyone have any advice ? I ended up making the adjustments until it
felt right ! So much for the balancing gauges ! I must have started it up 30
times today. Each time I got in, started up, took reading, stopped, jumped
out, made adjustments; got in .... All at Stapleford in the cold and on the
grass.
I am losing confidence in this thing - I have done 55 hours of which 25 have
been since the misfire started - it happens randomly but too often for
comfort. I never travel far from my home base now.
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, EGSG (Stapleford)
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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| Subject: | Re: Drop of the hat fly in! / Next issue of "Today's Pilot |
Mag."
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Yes. These weekEND fly-ins are very popular; eight (or was it nine) Europas
turned up at Conington today. Well done Chaiman Allsop for such an original
idea!
Duncan McF.
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Drop of the hat fly in! / Next issue of "Today's Pilot
Mag."
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
<ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
>
> Hi! Guys........... and Gals!
> Who said the Blighty weather was crap?Hear this you chaps in OZ and NZ ,
What a fantastic day out to Connington..........again, with "wall to wall"
blue skies and 1032 millibars.
> Hope you landed safely William ? but I expect a grass landing wouldn't be
a problem with the pooly leg.
> I reported a DOOR STRUT on the 10 "charlie" departure point at
Connington. Probably off a Europa and may even be yours William since I
guess you had the door open just prior to your departing?
> Anyway I asked the controller to arrange to pick it up so they may just
have it saved if "who ever" contacts them.
> Pity about the =A310 landing .... never thought to buy another Flyer for
the voucher!
> Nevertheless good company, good food and excellent new facilities, highly
recommendable to those who haven't sampled it yet.
> Don't think I can find the time this week to make Old Sarum ...Paddy as
much as I'd enjoy it , getting to "headless chicken time " cases to pack
etc. etc.
> Just in case I don't make it (to the next few Fly IN trips!) I'd like to
extend wishes to "all and sundry" for a Happy Christmas and safe flying for
the forthcoming year . Hey! two weeks and the days start getting longer
!!!!!!!
> Be sure to order the next issue of "Today's Pilot Mag"..... there's a good
Europa item in it !!!!
> Best regards
> Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300
>
>
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| Subject: | Completed cost for VFR & IFR Europa Tri-gear |
--> Europa-List message posted by: asdfa afa df <ccs_mysticdeath@yahoo.com>
Hello everyone,
I have narrowed it down to the Europa XS Tri-Gear with 914 rotax & the Super Pulsar
100.
I have some questions:
1) How much does it cost to build this airplane is $75,000 U.S. close?
I plan on getting both quick build kits, 914 rotax engine, speed kit, & the CS
prop.
2) how does the plane handle would it make a good IFR plane (is it twitchy or does
it track smoothly.
3) what is the range and speed you get with 75% power on average and can you get
the extended range fuel tank for the tri-gear? as i plan to do a lot of cross
country flights. I'm in Iowa and have family in Florida & Montana.
4) comfort and sitting position? on extended cross countries are you comfortable
and are you setting straight or are you at an angle because of the space taken
up with the mono wheel in the cockpit module?
5) to build the plane how difficult is it, I have built RC planes will i be able
to build this plane?
Thank you for your time and information look forward to your responses.
Jerry Otto
ccs_mysticdeath@yahoo.com
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "paul stewart" <paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
A while back someone posted a 'guestimate' of the quantity of different guage wire
they required for their progect. I can't find it in my own archive or the
forum's one. Anyone out there able to help?
Regards
Paul Stewart #432
ps Just fitted one of Tim Wards aluminium fuel filler elbows this w/e - looks
great.
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| Subject: | Re: Completed cost for VFR & IFR Europa Tri-gear |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi Jerry,
I'd like to offer a few comments to your questions.
> 1) How much does it cost to build this airplane is $75,000 U.S. close?
Avionics, paint and interior really drive this number, in particular
avionics. To give you some kind of indication I will have less than 70k
into my project which has a modest IFR panel.
> 2) how does the plane handle would it make a good IFR plane (is it twitchy
or does it track smoothly.
I have only flown a Europa for a couple of hours, but folks who do fly them
IFR tell me the track the glideslope quite nicely
> 3) what is the range and speed you get with 75% power on average and can
you get the extended range fuel tank for the tri-gear? as I plan to do a lot
of cross country flights.
I don't have enough time in type to give you accurate numbers but John Hurst
flew the factory 914 from Lakeland to Milwaukee in 6.5 hours, (one stop).
At 17,500 feet John was seeing 185 knots
> 4) comfort and sitting position? on extended cross countries are you
comfortable and are you setting straight or are you at an angle because of
the space taken up with the mono wheel in the cockpit module?
Cabin ergonomics really depend on how big you are. Tall people recline more
and I told its quite comfortable.
> 5) to build the plane how difficult is it, I have built RC planes will I
be able to build this plane?
If you have built models you have a significant advantage. Factory support
is outstanding.
The best advice I can offer is to go fly a Europa before you purchase
anything.
Paul
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Brake master Cylinder |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "tom@tompaul.com" <tom@tompaul.com>
Hi Richard,
For those of us who don't know, which engine do you have that is giving
you so much carb trouble?
On Dec 7, 2003, at 12:34 PM, Richard Holder wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
>
> Hi Team
>
> As a diversion from trying to balance my carbs today (don't ask - not
> good
> news) I decided I would adjust my brakes. I use the two tri-gear master
> cylinders but in the wheel well, to provide finger brakes.
>
> The first one went well (adjustment involves adding brake fluid into
> the
> filler hole in the master cylinder), the second went really badly and
> I have
> ended up cross-threading the filler screw.
>
> Damn, big mistake as accessibility in there is not good.
>
> Retapping is possible but I will have to be careful to keep the swarf
> away
> and indeed to clean it out well.
>
> Does anyone know what size the thread is ? It would seem to be the
> same size
> as the drain plug on the oil reservoir.
>
> Alternatively a new master cylinder is called for :-( Does anyone have
> a
> spare or a source for this item ?
>
> For now I have got the filler screw in and it doesn't leak but it is
> not a
> permanent fix.
>
> Tomorrow I will test-fly AGAIN to see if I have fixed the misfire. I
> found
> that one throttle cable outer where it is fixed to the throttle lever
> housing was loose. Access to that was fun too (involved removal from
> the
> carbs) ! And of course that meant I had to balance the carbs again. I
> have
> bought the 52 carb balancer but it gave weird readings, not helped by
> the
> "Cable breaks -> full throttle" aviation approach. If I got the thing
> balanced at 5000 rpm then it never got a sensible idle. Either one
> carb in
> the green or the other - never both !
>
> Does anyone have any advice ? I ended up making the adjustments until
> it
> felt right ! So much for the balancing gauges ! I must have started it
> up 30
> times today. Each time I got in, started up, took reading, stopped,
> jumped
> out, made adjustments; got in .... All at Stapleford in the cold and
> on the
> grass.
>
> I am losing confidence in this thing - I have done 55 hours of which
> 25 have
> been since the misfire started - it happens randomly but too often for
> comfort. I never travel far from my home base now.
>
> Richard
> Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
> Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
> Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
> SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
> Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, EGSG (Stapleford)
> PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
>
>
> _-
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> _-> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
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> _-
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> >
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
>
> Paul Stewart #432
>
> ps Just fitted one of Tim Wards aluminium fuel filler elbows this w/e - looks
> great.
>
>
Same here. Thanks Tim.
Regards
Gerry
Do not archive
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Paul
I have wired two Europas here in the USA. They have Nav Lights and Landing
lights. I used Amp round connectors to make the panels removable. One radio
and an intercom. The engines used a Rocky Mountain uMonotor. The panel was
all electric and VFR. I say all of this because to answer your question, we
need to know what you are wiring into your plane.
In my case it took 200 feet of #18, 250 feet of #20 and 150 feet of #22. And
I used 100 feet of shielded #20. There was some #8 for battery to buss also.
I bought 100 feet of coax and there was not much of it left over either.
These are number that I can safely guess form recollections of each plane.
Like I said, it depends on what you will be wiring.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds WA 98020
(425) 776-5555
N229WC "Wile E Coyote"
New Email:" flyinggpa@comcast.net "
----- Original Message -----
From: "paul stewart" <paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
Subject: Europa-List: wiring
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "paul stewart"
<paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
>
> A while back someone posted a 'guestimate' of the quantity of different
guage wire they required for their progect. I can't find it in my own
archive or the forum's one. Anyone out there able to help?
>
> Regards
>
> Paul Stewart #432
>
> ps Just fitted one of Tim Wards aluminium fuel filler elbows this w/e -
looks great.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brake master Cylinder |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> Hi Richard,
> For those of us who don't know, which engine do you have that is giving
> you so much carb trouble?
Rotax 912S
55 hours so far !
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, EGSG (Stapleford)
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "paul stewart" <paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
>
> A while back someone posted a 'guestimate' of the quantity of different guage
> wire they required for their progect. I can't find it in my own archive or the
> forum's one. Anyone out there able to help?
>
> Regards
>
> Paul Stewart #432
>
> ps Just fitted one of Tim Wards aluminium fuel filler elbows this w/e - looks
> great.
It was me I think - I posted my usages, but I have some funny ideas. I will
look it up and post it later in the week !
Or call me and I can tell you about my "funny ideas" !
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, EGSG (Stapleford)
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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| Subject: | Re: Drop of the hat fly in! / Next issue of "Today's Pilot |
Mag."
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Thanks Duncan,
Yes, it was nine Europas (and one Beagle?). Roger Mills and his wife Doreen
sneaked in un-noticed in UV. Still the weather made a great contribution,
and the people and ambience at Connington completed it.
Sadly though, I fail to see how regular weekend Fly-ins could work, because
you cannot plan the weather.
The principle of the current arrangement is based on being able to go when
the weather lets you. It uses the baton principle to pass the choice of free
landing fee venue to different people. They then have one chance to make it
good by choosing what they consider to be the optimum date from our
wonderful random selection of weather. This mailing list then enables the
process to work. If you can go, you go. If you can't, you can't. Lets face
it, the choice of day could turn out to be a week end, but we must remember
that the most likely supporters are going to be the mid week fraternity.
Retired old gits like me who are looking for somewhere to go during the
week. That is why it is nominally a mid week format.
However!!!!!!!! There is nothing to stop anyone from putting up a shout for
a week-end day, particularly if they see a weather slot coming up!!!!!!!
We old boys will be delighted to gate crash a workers Fly-in.
Finally. I finished up travelling with an empty seat today, so who's been
talking?
Have fun flying.......Bryan PS (And building)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Drop of the hat fly in! / Next issue of "Today's
Pilot Mag."
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean"
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> Yes. These weekEND fly-ins are very popular; eight (or was it nine)
Europas
> turned up at Conington today. Well done Chaiman Allsop for such an
original
> idea!
>
>
> Duncan McF.
>
> Do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
> To: "Europa Matronic Circuit" <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Drop of the hat fly in! / Next issue of "Today's
Pilot
> Mag."
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
> <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
> >
> > Hi! Guys........... and Gals!
> > Who said the Blighty weather was crap?Hear this you chaps in OZ and NZ ,
> What a fantastic day out to Connington..........again, with "wall to wall"
> blue skies and 1032 millibars.
> > Hope you landed safely William ? but I expect a grass landing wouldn't
be
> a problem with the pooly leg.
> > I reported a DOOR STRUT on the 10 "charlie" departure point at
> Connington. Probably off a Europa and may even be yours William since I
> guess you had the door open just prior to your departing?
> > Anyway I asked the controller to arrange to pick it up so they may just
> have it saved if "who ever" contacts them.
> > Pity about the =A310 landing .... never thought to buy another Flyer
for
> the voucher!
> > Nevertheless good company, good food and excellent new facilities,
highly
> recommendable to those who haven't sampled it yet.
> > Don't think I can find the time this week to make Old Sarum ...Paddy as
> much as I'd enjoy it , getting to "headless chicken time " cases to pack
> etc. etc.
> > Just in case I don't make it (to the next few Fly IN trips!) I'd like to
> extend wishes to "all and sundry" for a Happy Christmas and safe flying
for
> the forthcoming year . Hey! two weeks and the days start getting longer
> !!!!!!!
> > Be sure to order the next issue of "Today's Pilot Mag"..... there's a
good
> Europa item in it !!!!
> > Best regards
> > Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brake master Cylinder |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Richard
I had a rough running problem with my 912S when I first started flying it.
We finely found a note in the ROTAX book about the carbonator vent tube not
being in the air box. It had come loose several times, and I had not
thought much about it. WRONG !!! That little tube is very important. It
must be at the same air pressure as the intake air. I fixed the "falling
out" problem and the rough running went away.
Just thought this might help.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds WA 98020
(425) 776-5555
N229WC "Wile E Coyote"
New Email:" flyinggpa@comcast.net "
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holder" <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Brake master Cylinder
>
> Rotax 912S
>
> 55 hours so far !
>
> Richard
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
HI
My little tubes are fitted into the airbox. However I see the manual implies
that the t-piece should be on the inside of the airbox and the tube should
be pressed on from outside. [Thus there is no tube inside the airbox and
there is a small part of the t-piece outside]
On mine the tube goes through the hole in the airbox and the tube join with
the t-piece is inside the airbox. [Thus there is no t-piece outside the
airbox and there is a short length of tube inside]
Might this make a difference ?
Richard
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
>
> Richard
>
> I had a rough running problem with my 912S when I first started flying it.
> We finely found a note in the ROTAX book about the carbonator vent tube not
> being in the air box. It had come loose several times, and I had not
> thought much about it. WRONG !!! That little tube is very important. It
> must be at the same air pressure as the intake air. I fixed the "falling
> out" problem and the rough running went away.
>
> Just thought this might help.
>
> Cliff Shaw
> 1041 Euclid ave.
> Edmonds WA 98020
> (425) 776-5555
> N229WC "Wile E Coyote"
> New Email:" flyinggpa@comcast.net "
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Holder" <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Brake master Cylinder
>
>
>>
>> Rotax 912S
>>
>> 55 hours so far !
>>
>> Richard
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Wiring in G-OWWW |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
These are my figures
I actually bought more in most cases and these figures are the result of
subtracting any balance remaining from the amount I bought :-)
4AWG : 20 feet
10AWG : 21 feet
12AWG : 7 feet
14AWG : 4 feet
18AWG : 1 foot
20AWG : 42 feet
22AWG : 96 feet
18AWG single plus screen : 10 feet (mag cables) *
20AWG single plus screen : 19 feet
22AWG single plus screen : 32 feet
22AWG twin plus screen : 10 feet (overhead headset) *
22AWG triple plus screen : 10 feet (overhead headset) *
RG400 screened antenna, better quality for TXPDR : 12 feet
RG58AU screened antenna : 25 feet *
* means that it was a bit tight and I should have bought and used a little
more
If I did it again I would use lots less 10AWG and use doubled up 14AWG
instead as it fits in connectors better.
I would use 16AWG for mags if I did it again
I used four different AMP connectors for the major connection to the panel
plus some other inline connectors at each component.
I used screened cable to keep positive and earth together for runs to the
rear - fuel pump, fuel gauge, flaps, ptt x 2, strobes, stall warner
Richard
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Richard
The air pressure must be equal in the tube and the intake. I think your
"Ts" are OK.
Have you considered icing? Do you have carb heat? I have the hot water
type. It works fine, if I turn it on. If not, runs rough at the end of a
fast clime out.
Good luck.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds WA 98020
(425) 776-5555
N229WC "Wile E Coyote"
New Email:" flyinggpa@comcast.net "
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holder" <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Misfire
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
>
> HI
>
> My little tubes are fitted into the airbox. However I see the manual
implies
> that the t-piece should be on the inside of the airbox and the tube should
> be pressed on from outside. [Thus there is no tube inside the airbox and
> there is a small part of the t-piece outside]
>
> On mine the tube goes through the hole in the airbox and the tube join
with
> the t-piece is inside the airbox. [Thus there is no t-piece outside the
> airbox and there is a short length of tube inside]
>
> Might this make a difference ?
>
> Richard
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
> >
> > Richard
> >
> > I had a rough running problem with my 912S when I first started flying
it.
> > We finely found a note in the ROTAX book about the carbonator vent tube
not
> > being in the air box. It had come loose several times, and I had not
> > thought much about it. WRONG !!! That little tube is very important.
It
> > must be at the same air pressure as the intake air. I fixed the
"falling
> > out" problem and the rough running went away.
> >
> > Just thought this might help.
> >
> > Cliff Shaw
> > 1041 Euclid ave.
> > Edmonds WA 98020
> > (425) 776-5555
> > N229WC "Wile E Coyote"
> > New Email:" flyinggpa@comcast.net "
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Richard Holder" <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Brake master Cylinder
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Rotax 912S
> >>
> >> 55 hours so far !
> >>
> >> Richard
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Sunday Fly-in, Vacant seats |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 06/12/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>Continuing our concern to involve our Building friends, it occurs to me that
>most of us are turning up with empty seats. Wouldn't it be nice to take
>along a fellow enthusiast with us.
>So! If anyone can get to Chesterfield in Derbyshire and wants to join me,
>they are welcome
Bryan
that is easily the best way to recharge some poor builder's batteries when
he might well be fed up with incessant sanding and filling or
whatever. "Goon on yer mate!", as my friend Kingsley would say. Mal McLure
gave him a nice ride, (me too) which I'm sure helped us both.
Encouragement is very valuable in a long , expensive project and evidence
of the fun that is being enjoyed by quite a few, by now, will spur on some,
at least , to get their project finished.
I'm lucky, I have a bunch of EZ friends as well as all my Europa friends.
Two families for the price of one, you might say.
Graham
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| Subject: | Completed cost for VFR & IFR Europa Tri-gear |
--> Europa-List message posted by: asdfa afa df <ccs_mysticdeath@yahoo.com>
Hello everyone,
I have narrowed it down to the Europa XS Tri-Gear with 914 rotax & the Super Pulsar
100.
I have some questions:
1) How much does it cost to build this airplane is $75,000 U.S. close?
I plan on getting both quick build kits, 914 rotax engine, speed kit, & the CS
prop.
2) how does the plane handle would it make a good IFR plane (is it twitchy or does
it track smoothly.
3) what is the range and speed you get with 75% power on average and can you get
the extended range fuel tank for the tri-gear? as i plan to do a lot of cross
country flights. I'm in Iowa and have family in Florida & Montana.
4) comfort and sitting position? on extended cross countries are you comfortable
and are you setting straight or are you at an angle because of the space taken
up with the mono wheel in the cockpit module?
5) to build the plane how difficult is it, I have built RC planes will i be able
to build this plane?
Thank you for your time and information look forward to your responses.
Jerry Otto
ccs_mysticdeath@yahoo.com
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| Subject: | EuropaOwners Message Board - An Idea |
--> Europa-List message posted by: ScramIt@aol.com
Ok, I see all the chatter about posting non-builders messages. I think the
problem is the medium and not the messages. I cooked something up this weekend
and would like your views. This is a prototype, but it is fully functional.
Some points about the system:
1 Not a mail server.
2 You can visit from any web browser.
3 Photos can be linked to your post.
4 You can talk about anything and everthing.
5 Fully searchable.
6 Keeps an auto member list with web sites and as much info as you want to
put.
7 Posts are immediate.
8 View posts since last visist
9 Veiw unanswered posts
and a whole lot more!
Don't bog down matronic with posts about this. Post comments under the
General discussion forum. We'll see if she works! If you like it click register,
it's fun it's free it's so 1990's.
http://68.39.166.123/~stevedunsmuir/phpbb2/index.php
SteveD.
A217
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| Subject: | Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Gidday,
I am wondering if there is any specific advice to laying up cloth onto the
trim tabs trailing edges to toughen them up. The balsa is too soft and I
intend on either using a single ply of BID, or 2 plies over the balsa with
the ply stepping down as it progresses forward, or a single ply of carbon.
I have the carbon left over from another project, however I think for this
toughening up application the BID might be better, as it is more impact
resisitant. With the Balsa, I have heard of priming it with a thinned down
resin mix, but I haven't done this before. I understand the concept is that
a thinner mix will be absorbed by the Balsa, and act as a better key for
the cloth over the top. So, if there are any words of wisdom on this I'd
like to hear. Thanks in anticipation.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
Classic 236 Taildragger (possibly convertible)
Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
Intended Engine: 912S or a "turboed single rotor rotary, when I am dreaming"
Instrumentation: Undecided
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| Subject: | Re: EuropaOwners Message Board - An Idea |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Steve
I registered and then when I tried to sign in it went off to a search page
someplace. Daaa, what now?
do not archive
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds WA 98020
(425) 776-5555
N229WC "Wile E Coyote"
> --> Europa-List message posted by: ScramIt@aol.com
>
> Ok, I see all the chatter about posting non-builders messages.
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| Subject: | For Builders and Flyers alike |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Do not archive
To all my Europa Colleagues
Whether you are a builder or a flyer and whether you want to talk about
Building or flying on the forum, I don't care.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY:-
From me ("the wishor") to you ("hereinafter called the wishee") Please
accept without obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes for an
environmentally conscious, socially responsible, politically correct,
low
stress, non addictive, gender neutral, celebration of summer solstice
holiday, practiced with the most enjoyable traditions of the religious
persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your choice, with
respect
for the religious/secular persuasions and/or traditions of others, or
their
choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all.....and a
financially successful, personally fulfilling and medically
uncomplicated
recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2003,
but
with due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures or sects,
and
having regard to the race, creed, colour, age, physical ability,
religious
faith, choice of computer platform or dietary preference of the wishee.
By accepting this greeting you are bound by these terms that:
*This greeting is subject to further clarification or withdrawal
*This greeting is freely transferable provided that no alteration shall
be
made to the original greeting and that the proprietary rights of the
wishor
are acknowledged
*This greeting implies no promise by the wishor to actually implement
any of
the wishes
*This greeting may not be enforceable in certain jurisdictions and/or
the
restrictions herein may not be binding upon certain wishees in certain
jurisdictions and is evocable at the sole discretion of the wishor
*This greeting is warranted to perform as reasonably may be expected
within
the usual application of good tidings, for a period of one year or until
the
issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting whichever comes first
*The wishor warrants this greeting only for the limited replacement of
this
wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole discretion of the wishor
*Any reference in this greeting to "the Lord", "Father Christmas", "Our
Saviour", or any other festive figures, whether actual or fictitious,
dead
or alive, shall not imply any endorsement by or from them in respect of
this
greeting, and all proprietary rights in any referred third party names
and
images are hereby acknowledged.
NOW - If I didn't live in such an enlightened world, I would have said
Have a good one everybody !!
Kingsley Hurst
I'd RATHER be FLYING.
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| Subject: | Re: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Tony
Balsa can be "hardened" with out adding very much weight by using thin super
glue. Squirt the thin stuff all over the balsa and quickly wipe it with a
rag . We do that in the model boat building hobby too.
I think you would have trouble getting BID to wrap around the TE and still
give you a good sharp edge.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds WA 98020
(425) 776-5555
N229WC "Wile E Coyote"
New Email:" flyinggpa@comcast.net "
Subject: Europa-List: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs
> Gidday,
> I am wondering if there is any specific advice to laying up cloth onto the
> trim tabs trailing edges to toughen them up. The balsa is too soft
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| Subject: | For Builders and Flyers alike |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Do not archive
Oops! My previous posting should have said 2004 - sorry 'bout that.
Kingsley Hurst
Europa Mono Classic 281
in Oz
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| Subject: | Re: Drop of the hat fly in! / Next issue of "Today's Pilot |
Mag."
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Thanks for your concern, Bob and Duncan,
My landing was fine and the temporary wheel kindly fitted by Graham worked
like a dream.
Best wishes,
William
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Drop of the hat fly in! / Next issue of "Today's Pilot
Mag."
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| Subject: | Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Cliff Shaw wrote:
> Balsa can be "hardened" with out adding very much weight by using thin
super
> glue. Squirt the thin stuff all over the balsa and quickly wipe it
with a
> rag .
Cliff, does this work better than the old dope treatment?
Kingsley Hurst
Europa Mono Classic 281
in Oz
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