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1. 12:12 AM - Re: Drop of the hat fly in! / Next issue of "Today's Pilot Mag." (R.C.Harrison)
2. 02:34 AM - Re: Misfire (Richard Holder)
3. 05:20 AM - Re: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs (John & Amy Eckel)
4. 05:30 AM - Re: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs (nigel charles)
5. 06:07 AM - Re: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs (KARL HEINDL)
6. 07:12 AM - Re: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs (Alex Kaarsberg)
7. 07:26 AM - Re: For Builders and Flyers alike (Jeff Roberts)
8. 07:50 AM - Re: Misfire (Cliff Shaw)
9. 07:54 AM - Re: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs (Cliff Shaw)
10. 08:23 AM - Re: EuropaOwners Message Board - An Idea (Jos Okhuijsen)
11. 09:58 AM - Re: Question for those who have been there before (Terry Seaver)
12. 11:54 AM - Re: "Drop of the Hat" fly out Old Sarum (P.A.D.Clarke)
13. 12:28 PM - Re: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs (Alan Gilbert)
14. 01:06 PM - Re: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs (Terry Seaver)
15. 01:12 PM - Re: Misfire (Terry Seaver)
16. 01:22 PM - Re: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs (Kevin Klinefelter)
17. 01:48 PM - Mode S (Ami McFadyean)
18. 02:00 PM - Re: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs (Ami McFadyean)
19. 02:06 PM - Fw: Mode S (Ami McFadyean)
20. 02:43 PM - Cable & Quadrant Question (Jeff Roberts)
21. 02:44 PM - Re: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs (David Joyce)
22. 02:52 PM - Re: Cable & Quadrant Question (Ami McFadyean)
23. 02:57 PM - Re: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs (Ami McFadyean)
24. 03:04 PM - Re: Misfire (Richard Holder)
25. 04:49 PM - Re: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs (Alan Gilbert)
26. 04:50 PM - Re: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs (Alan Gilbert)
27. 05:00 PM - Re: Build related messages please (JW)
28. 05:25 PM - Re: Cable & Quadrant Question (Steve Hagar)
29. 07:30 PM - Monowheel position of elevator and aileron? (Ronald J. Parigoris)
30. 08:18 PM - Build related messages please (Paul McAllister)
31. 08:23 PM - Re: Monowheel position of elevator and aileron? (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
32. 08:27 PM - Re: Build related messages please (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
33. 10:15 PM - Re: Drop of the hat fly in! / Next issue of "Today's Pilot Mag." (William Mills)
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| Subject: | Re: Drop of the hat fly in! / Next issue of "Today's Pilot |
Mag."
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! William
I take it that the door compression strut at the 10 departure point wasn't
yours then?
Regards
Bob H.
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Drop of the hat fly in! / Next issue of "Today's
Pilot Mag."
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
<combined.merchants@virgin.net>
>
> Thanks for your concern, Bob and Duncan,
> My landing was fine and the temporary wheel kindly fitted by Graham worked
> like a dream.
> Best wishes,
> William
>
> Do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
> To: "Europa Matronic Circuit" <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Drop of the hat fly in! / Next issue of "Today's
Pilot
> Mag."
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> Richard
>
> The air pressure must be equal in the tube and the intake. I think your
> "Ts" are OK.
>
> Have you considered icing? Do you have carb heat? I have the hot water
> type. It works fine, if I turn it on. If not, runs rough at the end of a
> fast clime out.
>
> Good luck.
> Cliff Shaw
> 1041 Euclid ave.
> Edmonds WA 98020
> (425) 776-5555
> N229WC "Wile E Coyote"
I don't have the carb ice kit.
Carb icing is a possibility for the once-every-20-minutes misfire (which for
now I can live with !)
When you say it runs rough at the end of a fast climb out do you mean
immediately you level off and reduce power ? Or after a minute or two or
five ? And if it runs rough like that does it go away after a certain length
of time if you don't put carb heat on ?
I am contemplating putting the same kit on, but before spending $340 on it I
want to be sure that the problem will be fixed by it !
TIA
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, EGSG (Stapleford)
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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| Subject: | Re: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
I have used Cliff's method on RC models, but I put a lot on pin holes
in the balsa first to aid penetration.
John Eckel
A230
>
>
> Cliff Shaw wrote:
> > Balsa can be "hardened" with out adding very much weight by using thin
> super
> > glue. Squirt the thin stuff all over the balsa and quickly wipe it
> with a
> > rag .
>
> Cliff, does this work better than the old dope treatment?
>
> Kingsley Hurst
> Europa Mono Classic 281
> in Oz
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>I am wondering if there is any specific advice to laying up cloth onto the
trim tabs trailing edges to toughen them up. The balsa is too soft and I
intend on either using a single ply of BID, or 2 plies over the balsa with
the ply stepping down as it progresses forward, or a single ply of carbon.
I have the carbon left over from another project, however I think for this
toughening up application the BID might be better, as it is more impact
resisitant. With the Balsa, I have heard of priming it with a thinned down
resin mix, but I haven't done this before. I understand the concept is that
a thinner mix will be absorbed by the Balsa, and act as a better key for
the cloth over the top. So, if there are any words of wisdom on this I'd
like to hear. Thanks in anticipation.<
I also bought a small quantity of thinner finer weave 'bid'. This has the
advantage of coping with the smaller radius at the aft edge of the balsa
flettner strip.
Nigel Charles
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| Subject: | Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
Tony,
I did as Nigel, bought some thin fibreglass material from the hobby shop.
You will never
get the regular bid around the sharp edges unless you make some kind
of clamping device.
Karl
>From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Europa-List: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs
>Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 15:36:29 +1100
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
><tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>
>Gidday,
>I am wondering if there is any specific advice to laying up cloth onto the
>trim tabs trailing edges to toughen them up. The balsa is too soft and I
>intend on either using a single ply of BID, or 2 plies over the balsa with
>the ply stepping down as it progresses forward, or a single ply of carbon.
>I have the carbon left over from another project, however I think for this
>toughening up application the BID might be better, as it is more impact
>resisitant. With the Balsa, I have heard of priming it with a thinned down
>resin mix, but I haven't done this before. I understand the concept is that
>a thinner mix will be absorbed by the Balsa, and act as a better key for
>the cloth over the top. So, if there are any words of wisdom on this I'd
>like to hear. Thanks in anticipation.
>
>Reg
>Tony Renshaw
>Sydney Australia
>
>Classic 236 Taildragger (possibly convertible)
>Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
>Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
>Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
>Intended Engine: 912S or a "turboed single rotor rotary, when I am
>dreaming"
>Instrumentation: Undecided
>
>
http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger
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| Subject: | Re: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Alex Kaarsberg <kaarsber@terra.com.br>
It should be easy enough to fold some thin cardboard, grease it up and
use it to shape the bid but I wonder if adding bid and resin wont
affect the flutter characteristics of the ailerons..?
Alex kit 529
KARL HEINDL wrote:
>Tony,
>
>I did as Nigel, bought some thin fibreglass material from the hobby shop.
>You will never
>get the regular bid around the sharp edges unless you make some kind
>of clamping device.
>
>Karl
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: For Builders and Flyers alike |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 12/8/03 12:03 AM, Kingsley Hurst at hurstkr@growzone.com.au wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
>
> Do not archive
>
> To all my Europa Colleagues
>
> Whether you are a builder or a flyer and whether you want to talk about
> Building or flying on the forum, I don't care.
>
> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY:-
>
> From me ("the wishor") to you ("hereinafter called the wishee") Please
> accept without obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes for an
> environmentally conscious, socially responsible, politically correct,
> low
> stress, non addictive, gender neutral, celebration of summer solstice
> holiday, practiced with the most enjoyable traditions of the religious
> persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your choice, with
> respect
> for the religious/secular persuasions and/or traditions of others, or
> their
> choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all.....and a
> financially successful, personally fulfilling and medically
> uncomplicated
> recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2003,
> but
> with due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures or sects,
> and
> having regard to the race, creed, colour, age, physical ability,
> religious
> faith, choice of computer platform or dietary preference of the wishee.
>
> By accepting this greeting you are bound by these terms that:
>
> *This greeting is subject to further clarification or withdrawal
> *This greeting is freely transferable provided that no alteration shall
> be
> made to the original greeting and that the proprietary rights of the
> wishor
> are acknowledged
> *This greeting implies no promise by the wishor to actually implement
> any of
> the wishes
> *This greeting may not be enforceable in certain jurisdictions and/or
> the
> restrictions herein may not be binding upon certain wishees in certain
> jurisdictions and is evocable at the sole discretion of the wishor
> *This greeting is warranted to perform as reasonably may be expected
> within
> the usual application of good tidings, for a period of one year or until
> the
> issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting whichever comes first
> *The wishor warrants this greeting only for the limited replacement of
> this
> wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole discretion of the wishor
> *Any reference in this greeting to "the Lord", "Father Christmas", "Our
> Saviour", or any other festive figures, whether actual or fictitious,
> dead
> or alive, shall not imply any endorsement by or from them in respect of
> this
> greeting, and all proprietary rights in any referred third party names
> and
> images are hereby acknowledged.
>
> NOW - If I didn't live in such an enlightened world, I would have said
>
> Have a good one everybody !!
>
> Kingsley Hurst
> I'd RATHER be FLYING.
>
>
>
>
>
Do not archive
Merry Christmas to all!
Lets not forget the reason for the season because without his birthday there
woulden't be a season, Period! It's amazing, he even forgives the ACLU!
Jeff
A258
Just hung my prop on the celing.
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Richard
The rough running is just for a short instant. It is just long enough to
get you attention. I have had it happen only twice. Bob has not reported
the trouble at all. He is a very conservative flyer. I may have been pushing
my Rotax 912S a bit too long and hard climbing to 2500 on takeoff. It is so
much fun, what a wonderful plane. (we learn to fly high here in the west)
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds WA 98020
(425) 776-5555
N229WC "Wile E Coyote"
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Misfire
> I don't have the carb ice kit.
>
> Carb icing is a possibility for the once-every-20-minutes misfire (which
for
> now I can live with !)
>
> When you say it runs rough at the end of a fast climb out do you mean
> immediately you level off and reduce power ? Or after a minute or two or
> five ? And if it runs rough like that does it go away after a certain
length
> of time if you don't put carb heat on ?
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| Subject: | Re: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Kingsley
I thing super glue is much better. It penetrates into the fibers of the
balas and hardens to hard plastic. It is very fast to do too.
Cliff Shaw
> Cliff, does this work better than the old dope treatment?
>
> Kingsley Hurst
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| Subject: | Re: EuropaOwners Message Board - An Idea |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jos Okhuijsen <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Excellent idea. This is a messages system that works, and a lot less
painfully the a mailing list. No cluttered inboxes, no mail that you don't
want, no decisions what to keep and what to delete. no storage problems, no
difficult photo uploads. Very friendly user interface too. A 1990's? Yes,
and matured from there to something good!
The but(s):
It will take a while for everybody to start using it, so we will have
archives in 2 places. We will "depend" on some gentlemans agreement with
SteveD that the server will stay on-line, free of charge? Somebody should
be modorator, some of the areas could be members-only. In short: some admin
is needed. Some of the areas could be read-only like admin, factory mods
ect. We could even invite the factory to keep some of the areas up to date,
have builders assistance pages restricted to builders there..
And definitively: linked from the europaclub pages, and preferrably on the
same server as.
Good idea!
Jos
<ScramIt@aol.com> kirjoitti Sun, 7 Dec 2003 23:00:33 EST:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: ScramIt@aol.com
>
> Ok, I see all the chatter about posting non-builders messages. I think
> the problem is the medium and not the messages. I cooked something up
> this weekend and would like your views. This is a prototype, but it is
> fully functional.
>
> Some points about the system:
> 1 Not a mail server.
> 2 You can visit from any web browser.
> 3 Photos can be linked to your post.
> 4 You can talk about anything and everthing.
> 5 Fully searchable.
> 6 Keeps an auto member list with web sites and as much info as you want
> to put.
> 7 Posts are immediate.
> 8 View posts since last visist
> 9 Veiw unanswered posts
> and a whole lot more!
> Don't bog down matronic with posts about this. Post comments under the
> General discussion forum. We'll see if she works! If you like it click
> register, it's fun it's free it's so 1990's.
>
> http://68.39.166.123/~stevedunsmuir/phpbb2/index.php
>
> SteveD.
> A217
>
>
> _-> _-
> ========================================================================
> _-
> ========================================================================
> _-
> ========================================================================
> _-
> ========================================================================
>
>
--
Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
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| Subject: | Re: Question for those who have been there before |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Terry Seaver <terrys@cisco.com>
Hi Steve,
We purchased some dye from an auto parts store specifically for gasoline
systems. It has a brown color that can be seen in regular light and is
also fluorescent. We taped cotton balls under all suspect joints and
left them for a few days (label the tape of each cotton ball, so you can
identify where it came from later). Any leaks will show the dye stain
on the cotton ball.
We found the only fuel leaks were at the large outlets and inlets to the
fuel tank, you really have to crank down on the clamps on these hoses.
regards,
Terry Seaver
A135 / N135TD
300+ hours on the short wings, slowly working on the long wings.
Steve Hagar wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
>
>The beast is going to get rolled out into the driveway this weekend for
>several undertakings. The wings are going to be inserted and the length of
>the outriggers set and outriggers installed. Up until now the wings have
>only been installed with the fuselage in its cradle never on its own
>wheels. I am also going to put gasoline in the tank and turn on the 2
>electric fuel pumps. Checking for leaks and proper operation etc. Better
>to leak and burn outside the house rather than inside. Lastly putting the
>mil connectors on the wings to fire up the strobes and nav lights. For
>those who have been there before, any Faux pas to look out for (especially
>with the gasoline?)
>
>Thanks buds
>
>Steve
>A143
>Mesa, AZ
>
>
>--- Steve Hagar
>--- hagargs@earthlink.net
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: "Drop of the Hat" fly out Old Sarum |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "P.A.D.Clarke" <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
Hi All,
The weather doesn't look special any day this week, but
tomorrow should be as good as any - so its on for Tue 9th 1200ish, subject
to a final check in the morning.
Looking forward to seeing those that can make it,
Cheers, Paddy Clarke
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| Subject: | Re: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Gilbert" <alangilbert@classicfm.net>
Why make life unnecessarily difficult by using Balsa - I used hardwood cut
to shape using a band saw.
Can be "filled" with just a thin layer of resin to fill the grain or glassed
over with some very thin bid. I did the latter but didn't run it over the
rear surface - no need since the hardwood is strong enough.
Any extra weight is minimal and given where it is - just means a little less
lead in the fin! ! !
Alan G
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst"
<hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
>
>
> Cliff Shaw wrote:
> > Balsa can be "hardened" with out adding very much weight by using thin
> super
> > glue. Squirt the thin stuff all over the balsa and quickly wipe it
> with a
> > rag .
>
> Cliff, does this work better than the old dope treatment?
>
> Kingsley Hurst
> Europa Mono Classic 281
> in Oz
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Terry Seaver <terrys@cisco.com>
Hi Tony,
We layed up some light weight cloth over our balsa Flettner strips. It
did not help hardness as much as I had hoped. It also made finishing
more difficult. Worst of all, it changed the shape of the strips,
rounding them off too much. We had some altitude/speed hunting which we
attributed to this. We have since redone the Flettner strips, making
sharper edges at the specified dimensions. The altitude/speed hunting
improved some after the fix.
regards,
Terry Seaver
A135 / N135TD
Tony Renshaw wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>
>Gidday,
>I am wondering if there is any specific advice to laying up cloth onto the
>trim tabs trailing edges to toughen them up. The balsa is too soft and I
>intend on either using a single ply of BID, or 2 plies over the balsa with
>the ply stepping down as it progresses forward, or a single ply of carbon.
>I have the carbon left over from another project, however I think for this
>toughening up application the BID might be better, as it is more impact
>resisitant. With the Balsa, I have heard of priming it with a thinned down
>resin mix, but I haven't done this before. I understand the concept is that
>a thinner mix will be absorbed by the Balsa, and act as a better key for
>the cloth over the top. So, if there are any words of wisdom on this I'd
>like to hear. Thanks in anticipation.
>
>Reg
>Tony Renshaw
>Sydney Australia
>
>Classic 236 Taildragger (possibly convertible)
>Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
>Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
>Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
>Intended Engine: 912S or a "turboed single rotor rotary, when I am dreaming"
>Instrumentation: Undecided
>
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Terry Seaver <terrys@cisco.com>
Hi Richard,
We have an XS with a 912S and the Skydrive carb heat (hot water). We
have had the engine run rough both on the ground and in the air, both
cured within less than a minute after carb heat is turned on (usually
after 10-15 seconds). We don't leave the carb heat on all the time
because it raises the hot start temperatures, although it doesn't hurt
performance when on (we have carefully checked this). In the air we
have had carb ice at normal cruise and when throttling back. The carb
temp gauge (supplied with the carb heat kit) indicates a few degrees
from 0 deg C whenever we have seen this carb ice condition.
We have also had the engine run rough due to what we believe is vapor
lock. This has only happened in the winter time (when there are more
volatiles in the auto gas), after a hot start, and typically after
taking off from a higher altitude field. We have since added more
insulation in the carb and fuel line areas, protecting them from the
exhaust 'hot spots'.
regards,
Terry Seaver
A135 / N135TD
Richard Holder wrote:
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
>Richard
>
>The air pressure must be equal in the tube and the intake. I think your
>"Ts" are OK.
>
>Have you considered icing? Do you have carb heat? I have the hot water
>type. It works fine, if I turn it on. If not, runs rough at the end of a
>fast clime out.
>
>Good luck.
>Cliff Shaw
>1041 Euclid ave.
>Edmonds WA 98020
>(425) 776-5555
>N229WC "Wile E Coyote"
>
>
I don't have the carb ice kit.
Carb icing is a possibility for the once-every-20-minutes misfire (which for
now I can live with !)
When you say it runs rough at the end of a fast climb out do you mean
immediately you level off and reduce power ? Or after a minute or two or
five ? And if it runs rough like that does it go away after a certain length
of time if you don't put carb heat on ?
I am contemplating putting the same kit on, but before spending $340 on it I
want to be sure that the problem will be fixed by it !
TIA
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, EGSG (Stapleford)
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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| Subject: | Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
The flettner strip material that came with my kit was so warped that I
didn't use it and instead made my own out of some spruce. I painted some
epoxy on the installed spruce and that seems pretty hard. It's hard to
imagine getting any glass to wrap around a more than 90-degree edge without
vacume bagging or something.
Kevin, filling ailerons
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of KARL HEINDL
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs
--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
Tony,
I did as Nigel, bought some thin fibreglass material from the hobby shop.
You will never
get the regular bid around the sharp edges unless you make some kind
of clamping device.
Karl
>From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Europa-List: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs
>Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 15:36:29 +1100
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
><tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>
>Gidday,
>I am wondering if there is any specific advice to laying up cloth onto the
>trim tabs trailing edges to toughen them up. The balsa is too soft and I
>intend on either using a single ply of BID, or 2 plies over the balsa with
>the ply stepping down as it progresses forward, or a single ply of carbon.
>I have the carbon left over from another project, however I think for this
>toughening up application the BID might be better, as it is more impact
>resisitant. With the Balsa, I have heard of priming it with a thinned down
>resin mix, but I haven't done this before. I understand the concept is that
>a thinner mix will be absorbed by the Balsa, and act as a better key for
>the cloth over the top. So, if there are any words of wisdom on this I'd
>like to hear. Thanks in anticipation.
>
>Reg
>Tony Renshaw
>Sydney Australia
>
>Classic 236 Taildragger (possibly convertible)
>Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
>Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
>Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
>Intended Engine: 912S or a "turboed single rotor rotary, when I am
>dreaming"
>Instrumentation: Undecided
>
>
http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
What's everyone doing about this?
The whole issue seems to have enormous political momentum and it doesn't look like
going away, despite the fact that it either doesn't work, or the technology
is ill conceived, or is of no use to us, or that it does not have the ground
infrastructure to support it etc etc
Hiding shyly in a display cabinet at hte Telford (UK) microlight show last weekend
was a new German Mode S transponder that seems to be suited to sport flying
and at a less than outrageous price.
Further details are available at:
http://www.filder.de
or
http://www.filser.de/main.php?date_ger_trt600
and associated links. Lightweight, small and with exceptionally low current drain.
Includes height encoder and Flight Level readout. Also, the unique aircraft
identification code is programmable through the front panel (could be very
useful!!).
For those that don't have an ordinary transponder fitted by 2005 (e.g. me currently)
the Mode S will be required at that time. Otherwise we'll currently all
need one by 2008. Worse still, the requirements state that any new aircraft after
3/2004 will need Mode S straight away (I can see no small print that qualifies
this with IFR-only use, or for aircraft above a certain weight). So that
would mean any builder NOW in the UK who has not registered his 'plane by 3/2004
will need Mode S. Correct me if I am wrong on this.
Duncan McF.
PS It was brave of AFE to take the Mode S transponder to a microlight show, lest
a number of angry people take offence and assault it!
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| Subject: | Re: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Actually, it means more lead in the aircraft, because any additional weight
in the Fletner strips has to be counterbalanced!
Duncan McF.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Gilbert" <alangilbert@classicfm.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Gilbert"
<alangilbert@classicfm.net>
>
> Why make life unnecessarily difficult by using Balsa - I used hardwood cut
> to shape using a band saw.
> Can be "filled" with just a thin layer of resin to fill the grain or
glassed
> over with some very thin bid. I did the latter but didn't run it over the
> rear surface - no need since the hardwood is strong enough.
> Any extra weight is minimal and given where it is - just means a little
less
> lead in the fin! ! !
>
> Alan G
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Oops!
Link should be
www.filser.de
or
http://www.filser.de/index/index.php?kat=e_transponder&language=e
DMcF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Mode S
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean"
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> What's everyone doing about this?
> The whole issue seems to have enormous political momentum and it doesn't
look like going away, despite the fact that it either doesn't work, or the
technology is ill conceived, or is of no use to us, or that it does not have
the ground infrastructure to support it etc etc
>
> Hiding shyly in a display cabinet at hte Telford (UK) microlight show last
weekend was a new German Mode S transponder that seems to be suited to sport
flying and at a less than outrageous price.
>
> Further details are available at:
>
> http://www.filder.de
>
> or
>
> http://www.filser.de/main.php?date_ger_trt600
>
> and associated links. Lightweight, small and with exceptionally low
current drain. Includes height encoder and Flight Level readout. Also, the
unique aircraft identification code is programmable through the front panel
(could be very useful!!).
>
> For those that don't have an ordinary transponder fitted by 2005 (e.g. me
currently) the Mode S will be required at that time. Otherwise we'll
currently all need one by 2008. Worse still, the requirements state that any
new aircraft after 3/2004 will need Mode S straight away (I can see no small
print that qualifies this with IFR-only use, or for aircraft above a certain
weight). So that would mean any builder NOW in the UK who has not registered
his 'plane by 3/2004 will need Mode S. Correct me if I am wrong on this.
>
>
> Duncan McF.
> PS It was brave of AFE to take the Mode S transponder to a microlight
show, lest a number of angry people take offence and assault it!
>
>
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| Subject: | Cable & Quadrant Question |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
I have been doing some planing on the fuel quadrant and cable setup. I
purchased a lightweight reversing quadrant from Lockwood. My plan is to run
1 cable to a bellcrank on the firewall then 2 cables from there to the
carbs. I would like to know what others have done and what kind and size of
cable used other than the ones supplied with the kit.
Thanks,
Jeff
Tri Gear A258
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| Subject: | Re: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
A little more lead may let you put the battery in the front and save more
weight in heavy duty cable and boxing than you added!
David Joyce
----- Original Message -----
From: Ami McFadyean <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> Actually, it means more lead in the aircraft, because any additional
weight
> in the Fletner strips has to be counterbalanced!
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cable & Quadrant Question |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
I had a similar arrangement on the BMW, which worked quite well aside from
the specific difficulties of arranging for microscopic synchronisation of
two throttle bodies (one of which determined the amount of fuel that both
were to get, irrespective of the throttle position on the other; its not
like that with carbs.).
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Roberts" <jeff@rmmm.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Cable & Quadrant Question
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
>
> I have been doing some planing on the fuel quadrant and cable setup. I
> purchased a lightweight reversing quadrant from Lockwood. My plan is to
run
> 1 cable to a bellcrank on the firewall then 2 cables from there to the
> carbs. I would like to know what others have done and what kind and size
of
> cable used other than the ones supplied with the kit.
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff
> Tri Gear A258
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
OK, that's a lot less lead (i.e. the battery) in the tail then!
Duncan McF
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce"
<davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> A little more lead may let you put the battery in the front and save more
> weight in heavy duty cable and boxing than you added!
> David Joyce
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ami McFadyean <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
> " <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
> >
> > Actually, it means more lead in the aircraft, because any additional
> weight
> > in the Fletner strips has to be counterbalanced!
> >
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> Hi Richard,
>
> We have an XS with a 912S and the Skydrive carb heat (hot water). We
> have had the engine run rough both on the ground and in the air, both
> cured within less than a minute after carb heat is turned on (usually
> after 10-15 seconds). We don't leave the carb heat on all the time
> because it raises the hot start temperatures, although it doesn't hurt
> performance when on (we have carefully checked this). In the air we
> have had carb ice at normal cruise and when throttling back. The carb
> temp gauge (supplied with the carb heat kit) indicates a few degrees
> from 0 deg C whenever we have seen this carb ice condition.
>
> We have also had the engine run rough due to what we believe is vapor
> lock. This has only happened in the winter time (when there are more
> volatiles in the auto gas), after a hot start, and typically after
> taking off from a higher altitude field. We have since added more
> insulation in the carb and fuel line areas, protecting them from the
> exhaust 'hot spots'.
>
> regards,
> Terry Seaver
> A135 / N135TD
Thanks for this, How does the carb temp gauge work, is it in contact with
the carb body or does it fit inside somehow. I have (currently) my external
temp probe blue-tacked to the side of one of the carbs with the metal
touching (I hope) the carb body. I will look at the temp very carefully from
now on.
I am more sceptical about vapour lock. You get it in winter but not in the
summer ? I know that there are more volatiles in winter fuel but In summer
there is much more heat around (esp in the land of the free !) Do you have
the return fuel line back to the fuel tank ?
I have another question :
In the cold today it did NOT want to start. I have noticed that during the
summer it started on the button. Now it takes several (in the case of today
12 minutes or so - not continuous !) churns on the starter. If it doesn't
start the prop tends to "bounce" almost hitting a (?) compression stroke and
reversing its direction (maybe 50 degrees)
Might this be lack of battery zoom so that the battery cannot overcome the
compression, or is it a sign that a mag is firing early ?
I got it to start today on only one mag. Maybe this means that I have a
timing fault.
If so how can I check ?
I flew today but between uncovering it and being ready to leave (see above
!) the blue sky disappeared and a 1300 overcast appeared. I ended up doing
one circuit (pattern). Air temp was 4 celcius (40 F) no misfire but I hardly
used a steady throttle ! I have fixed my throttle lever box problem and the
throttle cables are now pulling evenly. I haven't got the balance right as
it shook a bit at 5000 but was OK at 4800. However as in the past the
misfire problem seemed to "accumulate" - appearing on a second flight in a
minor way and on a third flight worse I need to fly more ! In each case in
the past the misfire went away after less than 60 seconds and a change of
throttle setting.
I live in hope that I have fixed it - probability .6 or 60% chance. (Sorry I
am a mathematician !)
Thanks for your help !
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, EGSG (Stapleford)
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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| Subject: | Re: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Gilbert" <alangilbert@classicfm.net>
From what I can gather from Neville - the lightest configuration (for the
mono at least) is for the battery to be mounted on the footwell which
ultimately results in some lead needed in the fin for balance. The point I
was making was that given the trim tabs are at the rear, any extra weight
(although absolutely minimal in any case) wouldn't effect the weight of the
aircraft since you would simply require less lead in the fin for final
balance.
Mounting the battery in the luggage bay area might negate the need for lead
in the fin but will increase overall weight because of the heavy cable runs
required.
Alan G
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean"
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> Actually, it means more lead in the aircraft, because any additional
weight
> in the Fletner strips has to be counterbalanced!
>
> Duncan McF.
>
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan Gilbert" <alangilbert@classicfm.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Gilbert"
> <alangilbert@classicfm.net>
> >
> > Why make life unnecessarily difficult by using Balsa - I used hardwood
cut
> > to shape using a band saw.
> > Can be "filled" with just a thin layer of resin to fill the grain or
> glassed
> > over with some very thin bid. I did the latter but didn't run it over
the
> > rear surface - no need since the hardwood is strong enough.
> > Any extra weight is minimal and given where it is - just means a little
> less
> > lead in the fin! ! !
> >
> > Alan G
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Gilbert" <alangilbert@classicfm.net>
Mine was warped as buggery which is why I made mine out of hardwood. No
need to take the cloth round the back.
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
>
> The flettner strip material that came with my kit was so warped that I
> didn't use it and instead made my own out of some spruce. I painted some
> epoxy on the installed spruce and that seems pretty hard. It's hard to
> imagine getting any glass to wrap around a more than 90-degree edge
without
> vacume bagging or something.
>
> Kevin, filling ailerons
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of KARL HEINDL
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
>
> Tony,
>
> I did as Nigel, bought some thin fibreglass material from the hobby shop.
> You will never
> get the regular bid around the sharp edges unless you make some kind
> of clamping device.
>
> Karl
>
>
> >From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
> >Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
> >To: europa-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Europa-List: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs
> >Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 15:36:29 +1100
> >
> >--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
> ><tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
> >
> >Gidday,
> >I am wondering if there is any specific advice to laying up cloth onto
the
> >trim tabs trailing edges to toughen them up. The balsa is too soft and I
> >intend on either using a single ply of BID, or 2 plies over the balsa
with
> >the ply stepping down as it progresses forward, or a single ply of
carbon.
> >I have the carbon left over from another project, however I think for
this
> >toughening up application the BID might be better, as it is more impact
> >resisitant. With the Balsa, I have heard of priming it with a thinned
down
> >resin mix, but I haven't done this before. I understand the concept is
that
> >a thinner mix will be absorbed by the Balsa, and act as a better key for
> >the cloth over the top. So, if there are any words of wisdom on this I'd
> >like to hear. Thanks in anticipation.
> >
> >Reg
> >Tony Renshaw
> >Sydney Australia
> >
> >Classic 236 Taildragger (possibly convertible)
> >Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
> >Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
> >Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
> >Intended Engine: 912S or a "turboed single rotor rotary, when I am
> >dreaming"
> >Instrumentation: Undecided
> >
> >
>
> http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Build related messages please |
--> Europa-List message posted by: JW <xs191@comcast.net>
Okay... I'll add my two cents worth. Another list would be silly. If
everyone would just ask themselves if when they send a reply via the list to a
single individual... "is this of interest to the entire list?". If it isn't,
then please just reply to the individual. And by the way, when you do reply
to the list, delete all the junk in the email that isn't pertinent.
Thanks
Jeff
Stephan Cassel wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Stephan Cassel" <cassel@sensewave.com>
>
> Dear builders/flyers
>
> Build related messages please!
>
> < snipped>
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| Subject: | Cable & Quadrant Question |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Jeff:
I have installed a micro adjust vernier type single cable throttle on the
center console instead of using the long lever supplied by the kit. I built
up a hump on the center console to position the throttle knob at a good
position for my hand. This cable terminates on the front face of the
firewall parallel to it. A small piece of aluminum angle is configured to
bolt to the rigid threaded end of the cable. Another hard point is added
to the front face of the firewall. This is also a piece of aluminum angle
that is drilled and tapped to accept the barrel adjusters for the outer
housings of the dual cables and acts as the stops for them. These dual
cables are from the kit and the swivel ends are bolted to the aluminum
angle that is hard mounted to the end of the single cable. This really
cleans up the underside of the console and gets the complicated adjustable
mechanism out where it is visible to adjust and inspect. I copied this
configuration from something the guys over at Phoenix Composites did on a
Europa they are building. Using this setup also avoids throttle creep from
the carb springs without having to rely on friction fittings.
Steve
A143, Mesa, AZ
> [Original Message]
> From: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
> To: Matronics Lists <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 12/8/03 2:46:45 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: Cable & Quadrant Question
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
>
> I have been doing some planing on the fuel quadrant and cable setup. I
> purchased a lightweight reversing quadrant from Lockwood. My plan is to
run
> 1 cable to a bellcrank on the firewall then 2 cables from there to the
> carbs. I would like to know what others have done and what kind and size
of
> cable used other than the ones supplied with the kit.
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff
> Tri Gear A258
>
>
>
>
>
--- Steve Hagar
--- hagargs@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Monowheel position of elevator and aileron? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Curious
When taxing a monowheel with a 20 knot quartering tailwind, lets say from the left,
do
you keep the elevator full forward and the stick full deflected to the right?
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Build related messages please |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi All,
I can't help myself here, I just have to pile on. One of the terrific
things about this list is the contribution from people who have completed
their aircraft and are flying. These folks can share with us real world
experience of what works and what doesn't. It would be a real shame to see
them migrate off to another list and risking the loss of their contribution.
Paul
Do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Monowheel position of elevator and aileron? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Ron,
If there is anything that I have picked up from the few Europa flights I've
had, is that the stick is in your belly all the time! If you relax the stick
forward then the tail could lift and then you will pivot into the wind on the
mainwheel. Hence my decision to go with the conventional gear. And then the
stick into the wind (left) to keep the wings from lifting up. I'm sure I will be
corrected if I am wrong.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Cockpit module installed, tailplane torque tube in place, & landing gear
frame installed.
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| Subject: | Re: Build related messages please |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
I too must reply that too many of the build items that didn't work in flight
could easily be missed if the flying crowd were on another list. This saves
those of us coming up thru the ranks the trouble of doing it wrong or even at
all if they don't work as advertised.
Since all the messages from the forum come up as "Europa", people could
prepost the subject with "Flying" then their subject line. Easy to delete this
way
if you are not interested.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Cockpit module installed, tailplane torque tube in place, & landing gear
frame installed.
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| Subject: | Re: Drop of the hat fly in! / Next issue of "Today's Pilot |
Mag."
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Hi Bob,
No, thank you. I forgot to mention that in my message.
Regards,
William
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Drop of the hat fly in! / Next issue of "Today's
Pilot Mag."
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