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1. 01:16 AM - Re: Build related messages please (Stephan Cassel)
2. 01:16 AM - Re: Build related messages please (Peter Grant)
3. 02:49 AM - Re: Rotax 912 SALE (Mike Cater)
4. 03:18 AM - Re: Build related messages please (Trevpond@aol.com)
5. 05:31 AM - CHT sensors (paul stewart)
6. 07:28 AM - Re: Monowheel position of elevator and aileron? (rlborger)
7. 08:30 AM - Re: Mode S (William Mills)
8. 08:30 AM - Re: "Drop of the Hat" fly out Old Sarum (William Mills)
9. 09:06 AM - Fuel Quadrant & Cable (Jeff Roberts)
10. 09:16 AM - Re: Mode S (David Joyce)
11. 09:31 AM - Re: Build related messages please (bryan allsop)
12. 09:31 AM - Re: Mode S (Richard Holder)
13. 09:54 AM - Re: Monowheel position of elevator and aileron? (Ronald J. Parigoris)
14. 10:44 AM - optjif Re: Monowheel position of elevator and aileron? (rlborger)
15. 11:14 AM - Re: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs (nigel charles)
16. 11:25 AM - Re: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs (nigel charles)
17. 12:02 PM - Re: Monowheel position of elevator and aileron? (simon longstaff)
18. 12:06 PM - Re: Mode S (Ami McFadyean)
19. 12:29 PM - Re: "Drop of the Hat" fly out Old Sarum (P.A.D.Clarke)
20. 12:52 PM - Re: Build related messages please (Ami McFadyean)
21. 01:04 PM - Re: Build related messages please (Jeff Roberts)
22. 01:07 PM - Fly-in. Re: "Drop of the Hat" fly out Old Sarum (Ami McFadyean)
23. 01:11 PM - Re: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs (Ami McFadyean)
24. 01:13 PM - Re: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs (James H Nelson)
25. 01:21 PM - Re: Build related messages please (Ami McFadyean)
26. 01:31 PM - Re: Build related messages please (Jeff Roberts)
27. 02:07 PM - Fly-In message do not archive. (R.C.Harrison)
28. 02:36 PM - nyetri (paul stewart)
29. 02:46 PM - Re: Fly-in to Turweston (bryan allsop)
30. 06:22 PM - Re: Build related messages please (Peter Zutrauen)
31. 07:11 PM - BBQ-First Flight Centennial Celebration (ScramIt@aol.com)
32. 08:04 PM - Monowheel position of elevator and aileron? (Ronald J. Parigoris)
33. 08:18 PM - Thanks for Responce to EuropaOwners Forum (ScramIt@aol.com)
34. 08:18 PM - Electrical questions (Paul McAllister)
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| Subject: | Re: Build related messages please |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Stephan Cassel" <cassel@sensewave.com>
Dear builders/flyers,
After a second thought and having read all messages
I understand the importance NOT to split different kind of information.
Post from flyers are important and interesting information and should be
included in the Europa-List
I was wrong to write "build realted messages please" and differt lists for
different types of messages. That would not be a good solution. Far from.
Someone wrote about a "news group server" instead of a mail-list. That
could be the answer; ease to track message threads, clean mail-inbox, etc.
There are many aircraft builders that use news groups:
For example:
goto http://groups.yahoo.com/ and search for:
"Aircraft builders" >> 103 groups
"RV4" >> 6 groups
"Lancair >> 6 groups
Best regards and happy Christmas
Stephan
#556
Do not archive.
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| Subject: | Build related messages please |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Grant" <peter@us-eurolink.co.uk>
Dead easy solution - those guys posting build messages could prefix the
subject with 'Build message' anything else with 'General' or something
similar. Then, I open my 300 emails after being away a day or so, I can
just sort them in Outlook and immediately delete anything I don't want.
Not so difficult!
Regards
Peter Grant GOGAN Europa TriGear #100
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
McAllister
Subject: Europa-List: Build related messages please
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi All,
I can't help myself here, I just have to pile on. One of the terrific
things about this list is the contribution from people who have
completed
their aircraft and are flying. These folks can share with us real world
experience of what works and what doesn't. It would be a real shame to
see
them migrate off to another list and risking the loss of their
contribution.
Paul
Do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 SALE |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Cater" <mike.cater@btopenworld.com>
Hello,
That's interesting,
In the UK we are being warned of an imminent Rotax price increase of between
2% and 6%. A "certified" 912 presently costs 8,250.00 plus vat.
Mike Cater
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Rotax 912 SALE
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
>
> All
> I got this from EAA today
>
> Rotax Announces End-of-Year Engine Sale
> Rotax has announced a never-before-offered, end-of-year sale for its two-
and four-stroke engines. Interested buyers can save up to $393 on various
two-stroke models, or up to $1,661 on various four-stroke models. However,
the Rotax 447 and Rotax 914 engines are exempted from this offer.
>
> This offer is good on existing engines in the inventory of any of Kodiak
Research's North American distributors and is valid on any engines paid for
by December 24, 2003. For more information, contact your local Rotax
distributor or Lockwood Aviation Supply, 800/527-6829.
>
> do not archive
>
> Cliff Shaw
> 1041 Euclid ave.
> Edmonds WA 98020
> (425) 776-5555
> N229WC "Wile E Coyote"
> New Email:" flyinggpa@comcast.net "
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Build related messages please |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Trevpond@aol.com
Hi Guys,
Don't know what all the bickering is about, one of the reasons people buy
Europa's Worldwide is because of the camaraderie that has built up with this
aircraft. Surely if people are enjoying flying their aircraft, why shouldn't they
tell everyone else! We know what we have to look forward to and the
enthusiasm will not wane.
Trev Pond
598 914 Trigear being formed!
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "paul stewart" <paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
Thanks to all who replied about estimates of wire. Next question! Can anyone tell
me what type of connectors to use to connect to the CHT and oil temp sensors
in my 914?
Regards
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Monowheel position of elevator and aileron? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
Ron,
> When taxing a monowheel with a 20 knot quartering tailwind,
> lets say from the left, do you keep the elevator full forward
> and the stick full deflected to the right?
From my past tail-dragger flying, that sounds exactly right to me.
Holds the tail down and holds down the wing into the wind.
Regards,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL (40%) Start to close wings this week, cockpit
module installed.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Hi Duncan,
It looks good, but I couldn't find a price. Was there a price indication at
Telford?
Regards,
William
PS Many thanks for the CD
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Mode S
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| Subject: | Re: "Drop of the Hat" fly out Old Sarum |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Hi Paddy,
Sorry I didn't make Old Sarum, my mount is US for a few days. The viz
looked a bit grotty from the ground, but perhaps the inversion was
sufficiently low. Hope it went well.
Regards,
William
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "P.A.D.Clarke" <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: "Drop of the Hat" fly out Old Sarum
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| Subject: | Fuel Quadrant & Cable |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
Steve,
Is there any chance you could e-mail me a picture direct of your cable
setup. It sound good but Im having trouble picturing it from your
discription.
Thanks in advance.
Jeff A258
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Ami, What was the price? David
>
> http://www.filder.de----- Original Message -----
From: Ami McFadyean <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> Hiding shyly in a display cabinet at hte Telford (UK) microlight show last
weekend was a new German Mode S transponder that seems to be suited to sport
flying and at a less than outrageous price.
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| Subject: | Re: Build related messages please |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Well Paul and Y'all (for the Americans).
It must be great for the Builders to know that they are working to create a
lovely aeroplane for themselves. They must notice that none of the fliers
are bitching. Indeed I have not yet encountered any Europa owner who is less
than enthusiastic.
You can play with it, tour with it, land it in the most demanding
circumstances, and all on a sip of fuel.It looks good, and it feels good.
Hurry up and join us! Meanwhile I hope you enjoy our prattle. Very best
regards........Bryan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Build related messages please
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I can't help myself here, I just have to pile on. One of the terrific
> things about this list is the contribution from people who have completed
> their aircraft and are flying. These folks can share with us real world
> experience of what works and what doesn't. It would be a real shame to
see
> them migrate off to another list and risking the loss of their
contribution.
>
> Paul
>
> Do not archive.
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
The price is on a price list you can download. "Only for Schengen countries
- 2450 Euros. Other countries contact local dealer !
Richard
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
> <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
>
> Hi Duncan,
> It looks good, but I couldn't find a price. Was there a price indication at
> Telford?
> Regards,
> William
> PS Many thanks for the CD
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| Subject: | Re: Monowheel position of elevator and aileron? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
haptri
Hello Europa List
For some reason you are blocking me???
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
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> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
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> Curious
>
> When taxing a monowheel with a 20 knot quartering tailwind, lets say from the
left, do
> you keep the elevator full forward and the stick full deflected to the right?
>
> Thx.
> Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: Monowheel position of elevator and aileron? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
On Tuesday, December 9, 2003, at 11:32 AM, europa-list@matronics.com
wrote:
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> --> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
>
> Ron,
>
>> When taxing a monowheel with a 20 knot quartering tailwind,
>> lets say from the left, do you keep the elevator full forward
>> and the stick full deflected to the right?
>
> From my past tail-dragger flying, that sounds exactly right to me.
> Holds the tail down and holds down the wing into the wind.
>
> Regards,
> Bob Borger
> Europa Kit #A221 N914XL (40%) Start to close wings this week, cockpit
> module installed.
> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
> Corinth, TX 76208
> Home: 940-497-2123
> Cel: 817-992-1117
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Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL (40%)
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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| Subject: | Re: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>It should be easy enough to fold some thin cardboard, grease it up and
use it to shape the bid but I wonder if adding bid and resin wont
affect the flutter characteristics of the ailerons..?<
It didn't affect mine. I needed about 8" of balsa. You could rebalance
afterwards if necessary. The moment arm for a strip of balsa plus finishing
is quite small.
Nigel Charles
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| Subject: | Re: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>Mounting the battery in the luggage bay area might negate the need for lead
in the fin but will increase overall weight because of the heavy cable runs
required.<
The 4 gauge cable I used weighed a total of 1.4kg so even if you put weight
in the tail instead the penalty is only about 1kg. It has the advantage of
making an external power connection much easier and safer. There are
advantages with and aft C of G. For a monowheel it makes landings slightly
easier and keeps the weight on the tailwheel during crosswind take-offs.
Also keeping the trim towards the aft end of the permitted envelope reduces
tail downforce reducing induced drag in the cruise.
Nigel Charles
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| Subject: | Re: Monowheel position of elevator and aileron? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: simon longstaff <simonlongstaff@blueyonder.co.uk>
Ron,
Some years ago Martin Stoner, who was training me at the time,
encouraged me to imagine the wind blowing the stick and then position
it accordingly. Seems to work . Unfortunately he had a whoopsie some
years later when upended by a strong tailwind. Can't remember the
precise explanation -I think its in the Europa archives - but it may
have been the combination of strong tailwind - stick in the correct
position - and application of the monowheel brake.
Regards
Simon Longstaff
G-NDOL
On Tuesday, December 9, 2003, at 03:27 pm, rlborger wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
>
> Ron,
>
>> When taxing a monowheel with a 20 knot quartering tailwind,
>> lets say from the left, do you keep the elevator full forward
>> and the stick full deflected to the right?
>
> From my past tail-dragger flying, that sounds exactly right to me.
> Holds the tail down and holds down the wing into the wind.
>
> Regards,
> Bob Borger
> Europa Kit #A221 N914XL (40%) Start to close wings this week, cockpit
> module installed.
> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
> Corinth, TX 76208
> Home: 940-497-2123
> Cel: 817-992-1117
>
>
> _-
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> _-> _-
> =======================================================================
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Just under 2k; which I think included VAT (all their other prices were
inclusive). The web site prices are in those
funny Euro thingys!
By way of comparison, they had the Garmin 330 too; at 2500, so I guess that
may be sans VAT although the current exchange rate may indicate
VAT-included.
Does that mean that your Terra is for sale?!
Duncan.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mode S
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
<combined.merchants@virgin.net>
>
> Hi Duncan,
> It looks good, but I couldn't find a price. Was there a price indication
at
> Telford?
> Regards,
> William
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| Subject: | Re: "Drop of the Hat" fly out Old Sarum |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "P.A.D.Clarke" <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
Hi All,
Only 2 Europas made it to Old Sarum to-day. Of course, I
look upon this as a result of the weather AM and the proximity of Xmas, as
opposed to my dubious leadership skills. Well done Martin Stevens, who made
it from Haverfordwest.
Next week, as you all well know, is the big centenary and
David Joyce is helping to organise the joint Glos./Shobden struts fly-in to
Turweston, the P.F.A.'s new home, on Wed. 17th. He has suggested that any
mid week fly-in Europas not engaged in their own celebrations, could join
this event. This seems a splendid idea to me, so I propose to pass the mid
week baton on to him and he can let you know what is planned.
If anyone wants to make another stab at Old Sarum this week,
I will try to meet them there,
Cheers, Paddy Clarke. do not archive.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Build related messages please |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
If what you suggest had been complied with last week, then only 2 Europas
would have turned up at Conington rather than 9; the balance being comprised
interested (and suitably informed) "lurkers" on the Forum.
My vote is for including the word 'fly-in' in the subject line to enable
those not interested the ability to delete or auto-filter without reading.
If they so wish.
Duncan McF.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "JW" <xs191@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Build related messages please
> --> Europa-List message posted by: JW <xs191@comcast.net>
>
> Okay... I'll add my two cents worth. Another list would be silly. If
> everyone would just ask themselves if when they send a reply via the list
to a
> single individual... "is this of interest to the entire list?". If it
isn't,
> then please just reply to the individual. And by the way, when you do
reply
> to the list, delete all the junk in the email that isn't pertinent.
>
> Thanks
> Jeff
>
> Stephan Cassel wrote:
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Stephan Cassel"
<cassel@sensewave.com>
> >
> > Dear builders/flyers
> >
> > Build related messages please!
> >
> > < snipped>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Build related messages please |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 12/9/03 3:51 PM, Ami McFadyean at ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean"
> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> If what you suggest had been complied with last week, then only 2 Europas
> would have turned up at Conington rather than 9; the balance being comprised
> interested (and suitably informed) "lurkers" on the Forum.
>
> My vote is for including the word 'fly-in' in the subject line to enable
> those not interested the ability to delete or auto-filter without reading.
> If they so wish.
>
> Duncan McF.
>
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "JW" <xs191@comcast.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Build related messages please
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: JW <xs191@comcast.net>
>>
>> Okay... I'll add my two cents worth. Another list would be silly. If
>> everyone would just ask themselves if when they send a reply via the list
> to a
>> single individual... "is this of interest to the entire list?". If it
> isn't,
>> then please just reply to the individual. And by the way, when you do
> reply
>> to the list, delete all the junk in the email that isn't pertinent.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Jeff
>>
>> Stephan Cassel wrote:
>>
>>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Stephan Cassel"
> <cassel@sensewave.com>
>>>
>>> Dear builders/flyers
>>>
>>> Build related messages please!
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>>> < snipped>
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>
>
>
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I like to read or delete them. I second using the word FLY IN. Do i here a
third. Lets carry the motion and move on!
Jeff
A258
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| Subject: | Re: "Drop of the Hat" fly out Old Sarum |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
The aviation world in the UK seems to be otherwise devoid of good ideas for
the 17th (although to an extent it is an American celebration).
There are rumours of a noon meet at Popham too.
Are there any Killdevil Hills in the uk (or anagrams of that)? More ideas
needed!
If its to be Turweston, then an indication of numbers may help the
baton-holder to negotiate a free (of at least very cheap) landing fee. I'll
do it for you if you like David. Or the PFA might be induced to offer a hot
mince pie and a tour of the facilities.
Duncan McF
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "P.A.D.Clarke" <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: "Drop of the Hat" fly out Old Sarum
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "P.A.D.Clarke"
<paddyclarke@lineone.net>
>
> Hi All,
> Only 2 Europas made it to Old Sarum to-day. Of course, I
> look upon this as a result of the weather AM and the proximity of Xmas, as
> opposed to my dubious leadership skills. Well done Martin Stevens, who
made
> it from Haverfordwest.
> Next week, as you all well know, is the big centenary and
> David Joyce is helping to organise the joint Glos./Shobden struts fly-in
to
> Turweston, the P.F.A.'s new home, on Wed. 17th. He has suggested that any
> mid week fly-in Europas not engaged in their own celebrations, could join
> this event. This seems a splendid idea to me, so I propose to pass the mid
> week baton on to him and he can let you know what is planned.
> If anyone wants to make another stab at Old Sarum this
week,
> I will try to meet them there,
> Cheers, Paddy Clarke. do not archive.
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Apart from the advantages that you mention, the disadvantage of an aft CG is
loss of baggage capacity.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles"
<nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>
> >Mounting the battery in the luggage bay area might negate the need for
lead
> in the fin but will increase overall weight because of the heavy cable
runs
> required.<
>
> The 4 gauge cable I used weighed a total of 1.4kg so even if you put
weight
> in the tail instead the penalty is only about 1kg. It has the advantage of
> making an external power connection much easier and safer. There are
> advantages with and aft C of G. For a monowheel it makes landings slightly
> easier and keeps the weight on the tailwheel during crosswind take-offs.
> Also keeping the trim towards the aft end of the permitted envelope
reduces
> tail downforce reducing induced drag in the cruise.
>
> Nigel Charles
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Layup on Balsa TE of Trim Tabs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: James H Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Alan,
I have the Mono config and a 912 S. My battery is on the
co-pilot foot well and a heavy panel. My CG was still in the sweet spot.
I think you will not need to add any weight to the tail. My total weight
was 890# and with the electric prop is 10 more pounds. Still in the
proper CG range. Even with no fuel and me as the pilot, it does not go
out of forward CG.
Jim
N15JN
(60+ hours)
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| Subject: | Re: Build related messages please |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Then we'll need a new debate on whether to use the word fly-in (with of
without hyphen) or the awful alternative of fly-out!
Duncan McF
(who has not much better to do at the moment)
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Roberts" <jeff@rmmm.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Build related messages please
> >
> I like to read or delete them. I second using the word FLY IN. Do i here a
> third. Lets carry the motion and move on!
>
> Jeff
> A258
>
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| Subject: | Re: Build related messages please |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 12/9/03 4:21 PM, Ami McFadyean at ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean"
> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> Then we'll need a new debate on whether to use the word fly-in (with of
> without hyphen) or the awful alternative of fly-out!
>
> Duncan McF
> (who has not much better to do at the moment)
>
>
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Roberts" <jeff@rmmm.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Build related messages please
>
>
>>>
>> I like to read or delete them. I second using the word FLY IN. Do i here a
>> third. Lets carry the motion and move on!
>>
>> Jeff
>> A258
>>
>
>
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>
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I second the motion Fly-in with a hyphen.
Jeff
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| Subject: | Fly-In message do not archive. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Guys.
Sorry I couldn't make it to Old Sarum.
I may try to fly next Wednesday 17th for the centenery celebrations but it's only
a slight chance since I should be packing cases for my trip to Savannah.
So my participation in the fun will be suspended for about 3 weeks.
Best Wishes for the festive season to all.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
do not archive
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "paul stewart" <paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
Don't know why I've fallen foul of spam killer - nothing has changed in the
many postings I have sent from this address. Your password was nyetri. Hope
this means the posting will go ahead.
Regards
paul Stewart
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> --> Europa-List message posted by: "paul stewart"
<paul-d.stewart@virgin.net>
>
> Thanks to all who replied about estimates of wire. Next question! Can
anyone tell me what type of connectors to use to connect to the CHT and oil
temp sensors in my 914?
>
> Regards
>
> Paul
>
>
> e
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List:Fly-in to Turweston |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Its good to see that David is having a bash with the batton with a view to a
joint centenary fly-in. What a good idea!
Sadly I will not be able to make it because my ship will be in dry dock for
a couple of months after this Sunday. However, if anyone is passing Coal
Aston near Sheffield to go to the fly-in, and if they are desparate for
company, please invite me to climb aboard. I can promise them a free landing
at Coal Aston together with a unique landning experience
Bryan Allsop. Dont archive!
>
> Next week, as you all well know, is the big centenary and
> David Joyce is helping to organise the joint Glos./Shobden struts fly-in
to
> Turweston, the P.F.A.'s new home, on Wed. 17th. He has suggested that any
> mid week fly-in Europas not engaged in their own celebrations, could join
> this event. This seems a splendid idea to me, so I propose to pass the mid
> week baton on to him and he can let you know what is planned.
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Build related messages please |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
Third!
(for 'fly-in' in the subject line .... I think 'the horse is dead')
Pete
A239
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Roberts [mailto:jeff@rmmm.net]
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Build related messages please
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 12/9/03 3:51 PM, Ami McFadyean at ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk
wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean"
> <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> If what you suggest had been complied with last week, then only 2
Europas
> would have turned up at Conington rather than 9; the balance being
comprised
> interested (and suitably informed) "lurkers" on the Forum.
>
> My vote is for including the word 'fly-in' in the subject line to
enable
> those not interested the ability to delete or auto-filter without
reading.
> If they so wish.
>
> Duncan McF.
>
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "JW" <xs191@comcast.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Build related messages please
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: JW <xs191@comcast.net>
>>
>> Okay... I'll add my two cents worth. Another list would be silly.
If
>> everyone would just ask themselves if when they send a reply via the
list
> to a
>> single individual... "is this of interest to the entire list?". If
it
> isn't,
>> then please just reply to the individual. And by the way, when you
do
> reply
>> to the list, delete all the junk in the email that isn't pertinent.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Jeff
>>
>> Stephan Cassel wrote:
>>
>>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Stephan Cassel"
> <cassel@sensewave.com>
>>>
>>> Dear builders/flyers
>>>
>>> Build related messages please!
>>>
>>> < snipped>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
I like to read or delete them. I second using the word FLY IN. Do i here
a
third. Lets carry the motion and move on!
Jeff
A258
=
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| Subject: | BBQ-First Flight Centennial Celebration |
--> Europa-List message posted by: ScramIt@aol.com
Hey I put BBQ in the Subject Line! : )
If you're going to the First Flight Celebration at Kill Devil Hills, NC let
me know.
I'm going for the week and will be having a BBQ on Dec. 16, the night before
the first flight. (or is that second first flight?) If you'd like to stop over
and have a burger and talk about airplanes. Give me a shout and I'll send
directions.
SteveD.
A217
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| Subject: | Monowheel position of elevator and aileron? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Hello Neville
Sorry to bother you with this question, figured would get an easy answer from the
group.
NOT!
Curious
When taxing a monowheel with a 20 knot quartering tailwind, lets say from the left,
do
you keep the elevator full forward and the stick full deflected to the right?
This is conventional tailwheel practice. Since the Europa has outriggers, for all
I know
dragging the downwind outrigger does more good in keeping things straight than
trying to
keep the upwind wing down?
As far as the elevator, for all i know perhaps the huge prop spinning puts flow
from front
to back instead of back to front?
I honest don't know, but my guess is full forward and full to the right.
Thx.
Sincerely
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Thanks for Responce to EuropaOwners Forum |
--> Europa-List message posted by: ScramIt@aol.com
Since I posted about a new type of Europa Forum, I've had 12 people register;
a hundred or so hits; four offers to help; three offers to donate web server
space; and a bunch of emails with questions and comments. 0 negative comments;
and coming from this group, that's saying something, (no, really, I love you
guys).
So with that being said, the little forum should be moving to a real Web
server early next year. There are boards using this software with 900,000 posts
going back years, with 80,000 users, so I think it can handle our group. As for
the other bumps in the road, we can work those out too.
if you want to take a look, it's run at:
http://68.39.166.123/~stevedunsmuir/phpbb2/index.php
It is much faster and more stable, running on a real web server, but you can
still get the idea.
Chat later,
SteveD.
A217
Not building anything at the moment. I got the flu.....
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| Subject: | Electrical questions |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
I am at that interesting stage (not sanding & filling). I have a couple of questions.
1. The Rotax engine monitor shows a double pole switch that is for disabling the
waste gate servo. Why would I want this, has anyone fitted this ?
2. The Europa manual shows a 25 amp switch for between the alternator output and
the main buss. I intend to install an OVP so I don't see the need for an additional
switch, am I missing something here.
3. Last question, what have folks been using for 30 amp slow blow fuses. The
only thing I have come across is fusible links the Bob Nuckles uses which I don't
particularly care for.
My current thinking is an E-Buss feed arrangement with an auxiliary battery, but
to still feed one fuel pump (914) directly from the alternator output as described
in the Europa & Rotax manuals.
I welcome any comments.
Thanks, Paul
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