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1. 02:16 AM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: lightning strikes to composite aircraft (Martin Shaw)
2. 02:40 AM - Re: Composites and "finality" of closings (David Joyce)
3. 06:35 AM - Re: Headsets (Shaun Simpkins)
4. 06:51 AM - Re: Parachutes (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
5. 06:58 AM - Re: Fill tools? (Kevin Klinefelter)
6. 07:22 AM - Re: Fill tools? (Rob Housman)
7. 09:22 AM - Re: Parachutes (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
8. 09:23 AM - Re: Parachutes (Kevin Klinefelter)
9. 09:40 AM - Firewall heat shield. (Jeff Roberts)
10. 09:58 AM - Headsets (Erich Trombley)
11. 10:29 AM - Re: Parachutes (Gerry Holland)
12. 10:32 AM - Re: Firewall heat shield. (Cliff Shaw)
13. 11:14 AM - Re: Parachutes (STOUT, GARRY V, CSFF2)
14. 11:55 AM - Re: Firewall heat shield. (Terry Seaver)
15. 12:17 PM - Re: Firewall heat shield. (Jeff Roberts)
16. 12:54 PM - Re: Paint coverage (Fergus Kyle)
17. 01:05 PM - Re: Kitty Hawk (Fergus Kyle)
18. 01:15 PM - Re: Parachutes (Kevin Klinefelter)
19. 01:31 PM - Re: Parachutes (n3eu@comcast.net)
20. 02:42 PM - Re: Parachutes (Gerry Holland)
21. 03:06 PM - Website updates for builders (Europa Aircraft)
22. 03:35 PM - Re: Paint coverage (Rob Housman)
23. 04:05 PM - Re: Parachutes (DJA727@aol.com)
24. 05:34 PM - Re: MT03 Spacers needed. (Paul McAllister)
25. 05:54 PM - ticpod (Europa Aircraft)
26. 06:23 PM - Re: MT03 Spacers needed. (Jeff Roberts)
27. 06:55 PM - Longer Legs (Steve Hagar)
28. 08:33 PM - Re: Firewall heat shield. (Kevin Klinefelter)
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: lightning strikes to composite |
aircraft
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Martin Shaw" <jm.shaw@ntlworld.com>
Paul,
Points to remember about lightning strikes :-
1. Aircraft rubbing against the air generate an electric charge and this
will attract a bolt of lightning from an oppositely charged Cb. Expensive
aircraft have static discharge wicks to dissipate this charge
2. From personal experience I know that lightning can strike over 10 miles
laterally out of a Cb.
3. A metal aeroplane is bonded together and so the electricity has the full
run of the whole aeroplane. You will, of course remember from your school
days that like charges repel each other and so any electric charge, such as
a lightning strike will repel itself and stay in the outermost atoms of the
metal structure. You will therefore be safe unless wing-walking at the time.
4. A non conducting, plastic aeroplane struck by lightning will disintegrate
and the occupants will die.
See you in the bar on thundery days,
best wishes,
Martin Shaw.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Atkinson" <paul@theatkinsons.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: lightning strikes to composite
aircraft
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Atkinson
<paul@theatkinsons.demon.co.uk>
>
> I am very hazy about the science of all this, so don't quote me, but
> metal aircraft rely on good bonding to ensure that lightning has
> somewhere to go without affecting the contents (i.e. passengers, radios
> etc). As Carl suggested, I assume that the presence of metal in a
> composite aircraft can have disastrous effects because there is nowhere
> for the energy to go once it has entered.
>
> My "Handbook of Aviation Meteorology" suggests that lightning strikes
> can occur anywhere if the conditions are right, even in clear air,
> though much more likely in CBs. It also suggests that a good way of
> attracting a strike is to trail a long aerial or cable out the back :-).
>
> The only strike I have had, happened flying through an innocent looking
> cu (it was no more than 2000' in extent). Our passage through it set it
> off, and all the others nearby.
> Existing thunderstorms are not too difficult to avoid but we have no
> way of telling when the conditions might be right in other
> circumstances.
>
> So I have a fairly fatalistic approach to this, in that if my Europa is
> struck by lightening it probably won't do me much good, but on the
> other hand the chances of that happening are relatively slim,
> particularly flying VFR most of the time. On the other hand I am more
> concerned about the turbulence that CBs produce. Even a quite small CB
> can produce enough turbulence to make flying a light aircraft very
> difficult, not just in the cloud; windshear near the ground can
> seriously damage your health.
>
> Paul Atkinson
>
> ps I heard a story once about a metal glider that broke an altitude
> gain record in Argentina. The pilot thermalled into the base of a CB.
> When he regained conciousness the tail of his aircraft was at an odd
> angle but it was still flyable. The barograph, which had been running,
> showed that he had broken a record by a considerable margin. I suspect
> that he would have enjoyed the experience far less if he had had his
> oxygen mask on.
>
> > From: n3eu@comcast.net
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Lightning Strikes to Composite Aircraft
> >
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
> >
> >> Hi All,
> >> According to the AAIB at the last PFA Rally at Kemble, aircraft do not
> >> attract lightening, so it will only strike if the aircraft flies
> >> through the
> >> path of lightening when it is already travelling. This is my
> >> understanding
> >> of what was said. I therefore try to give CBs a wide birth.
> >> Regards,
> >> William
> >
> > Perhaps the AAIB guy didn't come across so clearly, or the "dog ate
> > his homework."
> > The below research document is long and technical, but the very first
> > sentence
> > will do: "Not until the 1980's was it convincingly demonstrated that
> > the
> > vast majority of lightning strikes to aircraft are initiated by the
> > aircraft,
> > as opposed to the aircraft's intercepting a discharge in progress."
> >
> > http://plaza.ufl.edu/rakov/ProgressinAerospaceSciencespaper.pdf
> >
> > Regards,
> > Fred F.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Composites and "finality" of closings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Guil Barros wrote:-
> > how "final" is the closing of wings et al with composites?
Guil, Final is certainly final, and it's just worth saying that even if you
are not planning to fit nav lights now it is worth considering putting
through the light plastic conduit that would allow you to retrofit them one
day when/if the VFR/IFR/Night Flying rules change. David Joyce
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Shaun Simpkins" <shauns@hevanet.com>
Headsets are a very personal purchase. The best technically performing products
may suck on
your head because of your head and ear shape. Best to try on ( in the plane )
and make liberal
use of the vendor's return policy.
I'm partial to Lightspeeds.
I have a pair of the Lightspeed QFR Cross Countries. I like them, especially at
the price.
They are a unique design in that they emphasize balanced active (low frequency)
and passive (mid- to high-frequency) performance over strong low frequency active
noise reduction.
The earcup is actually a modified Howard Leight Leightning industrial
ear defender, which is the quietest ear defender on the market. Lightspeed claims
that
they will work better than their XL series in planes with geared engines or with
lots of wind
noise. In this regard, one might consider them a better match to the "angry sewing
machine"
sound of the Rotax, and in my own testing I found them suprisingly quiet - better
than the
Telex 50Ds, with their much-vaunted Tonal noise reduction. I believe that the
reason is that
the QFR CrossCountries have much less mid-frequency "peaking" ( check out their
ANR 101
tutorial for an explanation ) than the 50Ds, which is perceptually very noticeable.
Also, an
inevitable consequence of a headset that is very effective in reducing LF prop
slap passage tones
(50Ds, Lightspeed X, Bose) is that the engine tones above the prop slap become
easier to hear
(though still safely attenuated, but more by the passive portion of the headset).
The Bose is a very good ANR headset, but one of the reasons I shied away from it
( aside from
the stratospheric price ) is that it has almost NO passive ear protection if the
electronics fail.
The highest possible noise protection comes from a combination of ANR headset and
earplugs.
In this regard, wearing 20-22dB earplugs underneath a pair of a Lightspeed 30-3Gs
with the high
frequency equalizer set to boost to partially compensate for the earplugs' HF loss
may be a viable
solution. It gives you the maximum prop slap attenuation - regardless of engine
type - and
improves the "strong ANR" headset's usually mediocre midrange attenuation.
Shaun
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--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Hi Mike,
A couple of years ago I went searching for a parachute to use in my glider. I
wasn't so much worried about the glider failing as I was having a bird strike
or accidentally hitting another glider in a thermal. It was a tight fit in
the cockpit without one on, so the 'chute needed to be pretty compact. I looked
at Strong, National, and Precision Aerodynamics (built right here in Dunlap),
but all were too thick and my head hit the canopy. I ended up buying a Softie
made by Para-phernalia, Inc. www.softieparachutes.com
This particular 'chute is made so that it becomes the seat cushion. The
container bag extends from your shoulders down to about the back of your knee.
They
even offer a sheepskin liner that makes it very comfortable and it's still
only about 2"-3" thick. I've flown my glider in excess of 5 hours with no
problems with comfort. The quality is first rate and they even gave me an airshow
discount when I bought it at S-n-F.
On thing to consider, should you ever have to leave your plane, is your exit
strategy. On most sailplanes you pull two levers and the canopy is released
leaving a clear path for exit. The Europa might be a little bit different given
the door placement. Having given it some thought, I reckon a good exit
maneuver might be to open the door, put your feet on the floor just in front of
the
seat and lift yourself towards the door by pushing back against the seat and
roll out, hopefully not hitting the stab on your way out.
I definitely will be wearing my 'chute when the time comes to do my test
flying.
Regards,
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
Ron,
I have been using all the tools you mentioned with the exception of sanding
screens. Also a rubber squeegee and a small plastic one for small curves
like the tail and under the windshield. And a long and skinny sanding tool
that has a little flexibility that I got from an auto paint supply.
I've been trying to follow Neville's recent advice on the filling subject.
Thanks for that Neville!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ronald J.
Parigoris
Subject: Europa-List: Fill tools?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris"
<rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Was fooling using expancil for the first time to fill aileron area with trim
tab on it.
It seems like my spackle tools, knives from 2 inches to 18 inches wide may
be a good thing to use.
i also have some sanding blocks made for spackle that are ~ 3 inches wide
and 9 inches long. they will accept sandpaper and have a foam backing.
i also have some of the spackle sanding screens.
Anybody use these for europa filling / sanding?
thx.
Ron Parigoris
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
As the saying goes: great minds think alike :)
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ronald J.
Parigoris
Subject: Europa-List: Fill tools?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris"
<rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Was fooling using expancil for the first time to fill aileron area with trim
tab on it.
It seems like my spackle tools, knives from 2 inches to 18 inches wide may
be a good thing to use.
i also have some sanding blocks made for spackle that are ~ 3 inches wide
and 9 inches long. they will accept sandpaper and have a foam backing.
i also have some of the spackle sanding screens.
Anybody use these for europa filling / sanding?
thx.
Ron Parigoris
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Hi John,
Thanks for the info. My wife has been wondering about the first flight and
the test period that follows. She figures that if anything happens, it's most
likely to happen then.
On the exit strategy, I have heard that if a door were to open inflight, that
it would probably detach itself from the aircraft pretty quick. That would
make your exit ideas very feasible.
I like the seat cushion idea as you could simply remove the cushions that you
would use day to day.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Cockpit module installed, tailplane torque tube in place, & landing gear
frame installed.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
I just tried my Strong backpack model chute in my cockpit. With no seat
cushion behind I fit quite well. I am 6' tall. I plan to use it for test
flights and aerobatics. My wife says she would like one too!
Kevin
Airframe complete, filling and sanding, no panel work or electrical system
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Parachutes
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Hi Mike,
A couple of years ago I went searching for a parachute to use in my glider.
I
wasn't so much worried about the glider failing as I was having a bird
strike
or accidentally hitting another glider in a thermal. It was a tight fit in
the cockpit without one on, so the 'chute needed to be pretty compact. I
looked
at Strong, National, and Precision Aerodynamics (built right here in
Dunlap),
but all were too thick and my head hit the canopy. I ended up buying a
Softie
made by Para-phernalia, Inc. www.softieparachutes.com
This particular 'chute is made so that it becomes the seat cushion. The
container bag extends from your shoulders down to about the back of your
knee. They
even offer a sheepskin liner that makes it very comfortable and it's still
only about 2"-3" thick. I've flown my glider in excess of 5 hours with no
problems with comfort. The quality is first rate and they even gave me an
airshow
discount when I bought it at S-n-F.
On thing to consider, should you ever have to leave your plane, is your exit
strategy. On most sailplanes you pull two levers and the canopy is released
leaving a clear path for exit. The Europa might be a little bit different
given
the door placement. Having given it some thought, I reckon a good exit
maneuver might be to open the door, put your feet on the floor just in front
of the
seat and lift yourself towards the door by pushing back against the seat and
roll out, hopefully not hitting the stab on your way out.
I definitely will be wearing my 'chute when the time comes to do my test
flying.
Regards,
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245
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| Subject: | Firewall heat shield. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
I have noticed that some builders have used a heat shield or cool mat type
product on their firewalls. Europa says they are not necessary, as the XS is
fine without it. I have been thinking about adding it for sound proofing and
added heat protection. Would like to know what others have used and or if it
is worth using. All you flying Europas, is it worth it?
Thanks in advance and Merry Christmas to all of you.
Jeff
A258 Ready to hang the engine.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Erich Trombley <erichdtrombley@juno.com>
"Looking to get a new headset for the new year, what are peoples
suggestions?
what have you been using and how do you like it?"
I purchased two C-100 Centurion headsets from SoftComm. I really love these headsets.
I can wear the headsets for many hours with comfort, typically 4-5 hours.
The units are unique in that the ANR circuitry does not require a separate
power source, but rather uses a proprietary design that is powered through
either the radio or intercom via the headset jacks. So no batteries to every
worry about. Additionally, the headsets automatically switch between stereo or
mono. No external switch to mess with. Those interested can check them out
at
http://www.softcommheadsets.com/aviation-products/html/headsets.html
Happy Holidays to all.
Erich Trombley
N28ET
Flying - classic 914 with Warp Drive prop
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Kevin Hi!
>
> I just tried my Strong backpack model chute in my cockpit. With no seat
> cushion behind I fit quite well. I am 6' tall. I plan to use it for test
> flights and aerobatics. My wife says she would like one too!
I would recommend that both of you do at least one 'static line' jump to get
a 'feel' of exiting an aircraft for real with parachute unless you've
already done it for real!
Even better a 'jump and pop'. Ripcord exit. Out, and a natural delay of 3
seconds.
I've been fortunate enough to do a few jumps and that first exit even with a
static line is fairly confusing. Relying on self preservation to allow you
to exit tidily, find Ripcord and land in one piece is worth long thought and
maybe that recommended practice jump.
Often these emergency chutes are designed to be light and small. Descent
rates can be on the higher side of 'down! and understanding use of steering
toggles to land into wind may save ground strike injury.
These comments are not meant to to obstructive or cause alarm, just an
observation that it ain't natural to leave an aircraft in flight!
Stopped jumping out of Aircraft when I observed our Jump Pilots T-Shirt with
"I jumped out of a perfectly flying Airplane!" That focussed my mind!
Regards
Gerry
Gerry Holland
Europa 384 G-FIZY
Trigear with 912 and Arplast CS Prop.
Fuselage being Painted, Wings ready to paint, Flying surfaces painted
Airframe Wiring complete, Full Size Panel 50% done . Includes Dynon EFIS,
KMD 150,Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder. AoA Fitted.
Activity on Panel completion, Design and build Heater Unit.
+44 7808 402404
gnholland@onetel.com
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall heat shield. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Jeff
I put the self sticking type of reflective sheet on the front of the foot
wells. It reduced the heat in the cockpit last summer quit a bit. I bought
it in sheets from ACS.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds WA 98020
(425) 776-5555
N229WC "Wile E Coyote"
New Email:" flyinggpa@comcast.net "
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Roberts" <jeff@rmmm.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Firewall heat shield.
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
>
> I have noticed that some builders have used a heat shield or cool mat type
> product on their firewalls. Europa says they are not necessary, as the XS
is
> fine without it. I have been thinking about adding it for sound proofing
and
> added heat protection. Would like to know what others have used and or if
it
> is worth using. All you flying Europas, is it worth it?
>
> Thanks in advance and Merry Christmas to all of you.
>
> Jeff
> A258 Ready to hang the engine.
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "STOUT, GARRY V, CSFF2" <garrys@att.com>
I can't resist sharing a funny story. At Sun N'Fun I struck up a
conversation with an older looking gent who was wearing a ball cap with
the "US Army Rangers Paratrooper" insignia. I asked him how many jumps
he had made when he was in the military. He said "none............I
never jumped, I was pushed every time".
Regards,
Garry V. Stout
Flying trigear / 914 / 400 hours
-----Original Message-----
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Kevin Hi!
>
> I just tried my Strong backpack model chute in my cockpit. With no
seat
> cushion behind I fit quite well. I am 6' tall. I plan to use it for
test
> flights and aerobatics. My wife says she would like one too!
I would recommend that both of you do at least one 'static line' jump to
get
a 'feel' of exiting an aircraft for real with parachute unless you've
already done it for real!
Even better a 'jump and pop'. Ripcord exit. Out, and a natural delay of
3
seconds.
I've been fortunate enough to do a few jumps and that first exit even
with a
static line is fairly confusing. Relying on self preservation to allow
you
to exit tidily, find Ripcord and land in one piece is worth long thought
and
maybe that recommended practice jump.
Often these emergency chutes are designed to be light and small. Descent
rates can be on the higher side of 'down! and understanding use of
steering
toggles to land into wind may save ground strike injury.
These comments are not meant to to obstructive or cause alarm, just an
observation that it ain't natural to leave an aircraft in flight!
Stopped jumping out of Aircraft when I observed our Jump Pilots T-Shirt
with
"I jumped out of a perfectly flying Airplane!" That focussed my mind!
Regards
Gerry
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall heat shield. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Terry Seaver <terrys@cisco.com>
Hi Jeff,
Early in our build (XS mono-wheel with 912S) we heard stories of heat
from the engine compartment getting into the foot wells (smoking the
carpeting?!) and in front of the instrument panel, heating up the
radios, etc. We decided to put cool mat on our firewall to keep out
this heat.
With 300+ hours on our plane, I would strongly recommend some form of
insulation on the firewall. We had temperatures of up to 450 degF at
the front of the footwell, melting tie wraps into drops of nylon.
Although we have since reduced those extreme temperatures to less than
300 degF, that is still pretty warm.
With all the temperature extremes we have had, there has never been
noticable heat into the cabin or instrument panel.
There is more info on our temperature problems and solutions at:
http://www.europa-usa.com/n135TD.htm
regards,
Terry Seaver
A135 / N135TD
Jeff Roberts wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
>
>I have noticed that some builders have used a heat shield or cool mat type
>product on their firewalls. Europa says they are not necessary, as the XS is
>fine without it. I have been thinking about adding it for sound proofing and
>added heat protection. Would like to know what others have used and or if it
>is worth using. All you flying Europas, is it worth it?
>
>Thanks in advance and Merry Christmas to all of you.
>
>Jeff
>A258 Ready to hang the engine.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall heat shield. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 12/16/03 2:54 PM, Terry Seaver at terrys@cisco.com wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Terry Seaver <terrys@cisco.com>
>
> Hi Jeff,
> Early in our build (XS mono-wheel with 912S) we heard stories of heat
> from the engine compartment getting into the foot wells (smoking the
> carpeting?!) and in front of the instrument panel, heating up the
> radios, etc. We decided to put cool mat on our firewall to keep out
> this heat.
> With 300+ hours on our plane, I would strongly recommend some form of
> insulation on the firewall. We had temperatures of up to 450 degF at
> the front of the footwell, melting tie wraps into drops of nylon.
> Although we have since reduced those extreme temperatures to less than
> 300 degF, that is still pretty warm.
> With all the temperature extremes we have had, there has never been
> noticable heat into the cabin or instrument panel.
>
> There is more info on our temperature problems and solutions at:
> http://www.europa-usa.com/n135TD.htm
>
> regards,
> Terry Seaver
> A135 / N135TD
>
> Jeff Roberts wrote:
>
>>
>
>
>
>
Thanks Guys for the firewall shield info. You've confirmed what I was
considering.
Jeff
A258 Putting off hanging the Engine untill I receive the cool mat heat
shield.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
| For those of you (i. e., the rest of the civilized world) not burdened
with
| our archaic system of measurement inherited from our former colonial
masters.| I apologize for the gallons and ounces.
Bit of a gee-whiz there. If I remember correctly, you inheritted a correct
set of dimensions and then made 'em smaller so you could advertise more of
them?
Ferg
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Puglise" <jim_puglise@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Kitty Hawk
| --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Puglise" <jim_puglise@hotmail.com>
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|
| I don't mean to start a furor, but since we have a number of NZ builders
in
| the Group, I wanted to get a comment. I was in NZ several years ago and
| they have an aircraft in the Motat in Auckland built by a man named Pierce
| that they claim (as I remember) flew under powered controlled flight
several
| weeks before the Wrights. Am I remembering correctly? Comments from
the
| builders in NZ.
|
| Jim -
James,
If I remeber right, he was another D-I-Yer and did a pretty
creditable job. However, he was observed to depart and to have arriven
elsewhere but the actual landing was not witnessed. Pierce is reputed to
habe built his own machine, powered it and flown it off a bluff. It and he
were found down a river valley successfully having put down on a sandbar -
and weeks ahead of the Wright staff.
However, his flight was not fully observed and he landed below
take-off point so his event cannot be acclaimed as was the Wrights' -
sustained level flight. All else is guff.
Ferg
A064
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
I agree with all you've said. After flying Hanggliders and Paragliders with
a reserve for many years and a couple thousand hours, curiosity got the best
of me and I went for a tandem skydive followed by a couple of static line
jumps. Flapping in the breeze from the strut of a Cessna was great fun! It
definitely builds confidence, knowing that you can look/grab/pull, and land
without pain.
I've also had the pleasure of dropping skydivers from my hangglider. That's
pretty fun to watch.
Not to sure Ann shares my enthusiasum on the whole jumping thing. But she
does not get airsick easily, I tested her out in a Lark sailplane doing
loops. So I had better get a second 'chute. And I had better get back to
sanding.
Kevin
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gerry Holland
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Parachutes
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Kevin Hi!
>
> I just tried my Strong backpack model chute in my cockpit. With no seat
> cushion behind I fit quite well. I am 6' tall. I plan to use it for test
> flights and aerobatics. My wife says she would like one too!
I would recommend that both of you do at least one 'static line' jump to get
a 'feel' of exiting an aircraft for real with parachute unless you've
already done it for real!
Even better a 'jump and pop'. Ripcord exit. Out, and a natural delay of 3
seconds.
I've been fortunate enough to do a few jumps and that first exit even with a
static line is fairly confusing. Relying on self preservation to allow you
to exit tidily, find Ripcord and land in one piece is worth long thought and
maybe that recommended practice jump.
Often these emergency chutes are designed to be light and small. Descent
rates can be on the higher side of 'down! and understanding use of steering
toggles to land into wind may save ground strike injury.
These comments are not meant to to obstructive or cause alarm, just an
observation that it ain't natural to leave an aircraft in flight!
Stopped jumping out of Aircraft when I observed our Jump Pilots T-Shirt with
"I jumped out of a perfectly flying Airplane!" That focussed my mind!
Regards
Gerry
Gerry Holland
Europa 384 G-FIZY
Trigear with 912 and Arplast CS Prop.
Fuselage being Painted, Wings ready to paint, Flying surfaces painted
Airframe Wiring complete, Full Size Panel 50% done . Includes Dynon EFIS,
KMD 150,Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder. AoA Fitted.
Activity on Panel completion, Design and build Heater Unit.
+44 7808 402404
gnholland@onetel.com
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--> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
> the test period that follows. She figures that if anything
> happens, it's most likely to happen then.
>
Not that statistics convince everyone nor both genders equally, :-), but checking
my Excel data of U.S. homebuilt accidents 1998-2002, 0-40 airframe hours: No
structural or control failures or in-flight fire have occurred in any of the
popular kitplanes, resulting in serious/fatal injury; one (below) resulted in
lesser injury. Such failures in other design were rare. For reference also,
annual homebuilt "commissionings" here run around 1,000.
The only accident marginally on-point in this 5-yr period involved the 1st flight
of a Velocity which lost one of its winglet/rudders, due to builder error.
Controllability on this design would be and was very poor, but the pilot sustained
minor injury only after nose-over following a forced landing. Granted this
could have turned out worse, but the question is whether a pilot w/o jumping
experience would have parachuted out in the same circumstances.
Don't wish to start a debate, as it's a personal thing essentially, but merely
to enter the actual stats "into the record."
Regards,
Fred F.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Use of a Parachute for any flight conditions involving new build, new design
or extreme performance conditions seems a wise precaution.
The majority use of parachutes and to that matter Ejection Seats that lead
to Parachute deployment is with the Military. The difference between the
Military use and the occasional civil use is consistent and repeated
training.
The use of a Parachute or Ejection System requires very fast analysis and
reactions to aircraft plight. This means preparedness and training for
scenarios that need this dire action. It will always be a difficult choice
when to abandon a doomed aircraft and there lies the dilemna.
As a single Pilot occupant the decision is yours. With a passenger then the
whole situation starts to get fraught. We are back to preparation, drills
and training.
The more tantalising decision will be when choosing to deploy a Recovery
System on a Cirrus or similarly equipped Aircraft. That does lead to some
thought!
Safe flying to all and lets agree to fly Aircraft where a seat parachute
stays just that! A Seat!
Regards
Gerry
Gerry Holland
Europa 384 G-FIZY
Trigear with 912 and Arplast CS Prop.
Fuselage being Painted, Wings ready to paint, Flying surfaces painted
Airframe Wiring complete, Full Size Panel 50% done . Includes Dynon EFIS,
KMD 150,
Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder. AoA Fitted.
Activity on Panel completion, Design and build Heater Unit.
+44 7808 402404
gnholland@onetel.com
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| Subject: | Website updates for builders |
DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
Hi All,
There are some new features on the Europa website (www.europa-aircraft.com)
that builders have requested. There is a builder web page gallery under
"Links"
Also, many of the US builders have requested pictures of the Europa jackets,
& other clothing. I have added those to the USA catalog. These items are
also available from the UK office.
Finally, the Builder Support page is being continually updated with current
mods, tips, & service bulletins. Please check there often to stay updated.
Happy Building & Flying!
John Hurst
Europa Aircraft
Lakeland, FL
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
When it comes to barrels, bushels, firkins, gallons, gills, leagues, minums,
ounces, and quarts (where did you folks get some of these names?) the US
system differs from Imperial, but we left kilderkins, puncheons, lasts,
roods, ropes, and stones (and a few others) alone. We ignored them
completely. Too bad we can't ignore the entire mess and switch to SI
(pardon my French).
For aeronautical (and presumably nautical) purposes it is odd that 1 British
NM = 6080 feet, but for the rest of us 1 NM = 6076.1155 feet. Does that
mean that one minute of arc (on the earth's surface) is bigger in UK?
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fergus Kyle
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Paint coverage
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
| For those of you (i. e., the rest of the civilized world) not burdened
with
| our archaic system of measurement inherited from our former colonial
masters.| I apologize for the gallons and ounces.
Bit of a gee-whiz there. If I remember correctly, you inheritted a correct
set of dimensions and then made 'em smaller so you could advertise more of
them?
Ferg
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
In a message dated 12/16/2003 9:23:28 AM Pacific Standard Time,
DuaneFamly@aol.com writes:
> On the exit strategy, I have heard that if a door were to open inflight,
> that
> it would probably detach itself from the aircraft pretty quick. That would
> make your exit ideas very feasible.
>
That is unless the airplane is in a flat spin, or some other condition of
minimal forward velocity.
Dave
A227
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| Subject: | Re: MT03 Spacers needed. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Jeff,
If you use the self adhesive stuff that AC Spruce sell you will need 4
packets to do the firewall and the front of the foot wells. I didn't cover
the inside of the foot wells.
Paul
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Europa Aircraft <europa@gate.net>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
Hi All,
There are some new features on the Europa website (www.europa-aircraft.com)
that builders have requested. There is a builder web page gallery under
"Links"
Also, many of the US builders have requested pictures of the Europa jackets,
& other clothing. I have added those to the USA catalog. These items are
also available from the UK office.
Finally, the Builder Support page is being continually updated with current
mods, tips, & service bulletins. Please check there often to stay updated.
Happy Building & Flying!
John Hurst
Europa Aircraft
Lakeland, FL
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| Subject: | Re: MT03 Spacers needed. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 12/16/03 8:33 PM, Paul McAllister at paul.mcallister@qia.net wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Jeff,
>
> If you use the self adhesive stuff that AC Spruce sell you will need 4
> packets to do the firewall and the front of the foot wells. I didn't cover
> the inside of the foot wells.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
Paul,
I have decided to use the the insulating mat Wicks sells (BK14100). It's
$6.33 per foot of 24" wide. $56 will buy enough to do it all and its
supposed to block high & low frequency. I hope it's not too thick to work
with. I'll let you know.
Thanks,
Jeff
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
I put the bird on all four wheels recently after plugging in the wings and
putting the outriggers in. Needless to say it is a stretch for the
outriggers to reach the ground at the length supplied in the kit. Looking
in the McMaster catalog it appears as the white nylon 6/6 is what is used
on the Europa. The other nylons have a statement about "using indoors?". I
am shooting for about a half an inch clearance between the wheels and the
ground. How much settleing is induced with a full load?
Steve
A143
Mesa, AZ
--- Steve Hagar
--- hagargs@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Firewall heat shield. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
Hi Terry and All,
Which brand did you use? I see lots of choices in the ACS catalog.
Thanks, Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Terry Seaver
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Firewall heat shield.
--> Europa-List message posted by: Terry Seaver <terrys@cisco.com>
Hi Jeff,
Early in our build (XS mono-wheel with 912S) we heard stories of heat
from the engine compartment getting into the foot wells (smoking the
carpeting?!) and in front of the instrument panel, heating up the
radios, etc. We decided to put cool mat on our firewall to keep out
this heat.
With 300+ hours on our plane, I would strongly recommend some form of
insulation on the firewall. We had temperatures of up to 450 degF at
the front of the footwell, melting tie wraps into drops of nylon.
Although we have since reduced those extreme temperatures to less than
300 degF, that is still pretty warm.
With all the temperature extremes we have had, there has never been
noticable heat into the cabin or instrument panel.
There is more info on our temperature problems and solutions at:
http://www.europa-usa.com/n135TD.htm
regards,
Terry Seaver
A135 / N135TD
Jeff Roberts wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
>
>I have noticed that some builders have used a heat shield or cool mat type
>product on their firewalls. Europa says they are not necessary, as the XS
is
>fine without it. I have been thinking about adding it for sound proofing
and
>added heat protection. Would like to know what others have used and or if
it
>is worth using. All you flying Europas, is it worth it?
>
>Thanks in advance and Merry Christmas to all of you.
>
>Jeff
>A258 Ready to hang the engine.
>
>
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