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1. 03:36 AM - Re: Paint coverage (Trevpond@aol.com)
2. 04:13 AM - Re: Kitty Hawk (Alex Kaarsberg)
3. 04:34 AM - Re: Kitty Hawk (Miles McCallum)
4. 05:06 AM - Re: Firewall heat shield. (Alex Kaarsberg)
5. 05:18 AM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: lightning strikes to composite (Alex Kaarsberg)
6. 06:35 AM - Re: Firewall heat shield. (Paul McAllister)
7. 06:41 AM - Re: Kitty Hawk (Jeff Roberts)
8. 06:51 AM - Re: Fill tools? (Fergus Kyle)
9. 07:20 AM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: lightning strikes to composite aircraft (Fergus Kyle)
10. 07:27 AM - Re: Longer Legs (Europa Aircraft)
11. 07:42 AM - Re: Kitty Hawk (Paul Bunting)
12. 07:54 AM - Re: Paint coverage (now degenerating into politics) (Rob Housman)
13. 09:19 AM - Operation Kitty Hawk (DJA727@aol.com)
14. 09:53 AM - Re: Headsets (Erich Trombley)
15. 10:02 AM - SPAM filters (was Re: Headsets) (David Glauser)
16. 11:13 AM - Re: Firewall heat shield. (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
17. 11:39 AM - Re: Kitty Hawk (Alex Kaarsberg)
18. 11:41 AM - Re: Firewall heat shield. (Alex Kaarsberg)
19. 11:56 AM - Re: Firewall heat shield. (Ronald J. Parigoris)
20. 12:43 PM - Re: Operation Kitty Hawk (James H Nelson)
21. 12:43 PM - Re: Fire wall heat shield. (James H Nelson)
22. 12:43 PM - Re: Longer Legs (James H Nelson)
23. 12:57 PM - Re: Firewall heat shield. (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
24. 01:20 PM - Re: Operation Kitty Hawk (DJA727@aol.com)
25. 03:17 PM - Re: Firewall heat shield. (bryan allsop)
26. 03:23 PM - Re: Firewall heat shield. (Kevin Klinefelter)
27. 07:06 PM - Re: Kitty Hawk (Fergus Kyle)
28. 07:15 PM - Re: Operation Kitty Hawk (Troy Maynor)
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| Subject: | Re: Paint coverage |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Trevpond@aol.com
This is what happens when you give one of your Colonies their Independence!
They get too big for their boots and start asking difficult questions instead
of just accepting measurements as fact!!!
Trev Pond
914 Trigear
being born
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Alex Kaarsberg <kaarsber@terra.com.br>
>
>
> However, his flight was not fully observed and he landed below
>take-off point so his event cannot be acclaimed as was the Wrights' -
>sustained level flight. All else is guff.
>Ferg
>A064
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>
>
The Wright brothers also did not have the required observers and
employed a katapult in order to make their contraption `fly. (Reportedly)
Their flight was not recognized by the French academy until sometime in
the 20s, presumably when US clout had reached its necessary momentum.
There is a lot of arguments not to believe the Wright story, but why
ruin a day that has been prepared for so well...
One of the biggest achivements of the USA is that of historical
engineering, something Hollywood and its likes have perfected along the
years- although they did not invent it- they may come up one day with
that claim too :-)
Alex, #529
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Miles McCallum" <milesm@avnet.co.uk>
The first flights were conducted off a "runway" - the catapult was used
later for low headwind/ 2 seat operations.... technically, what they
achieved was the first controlled, powered, fixed wing flight. Controlled/
powered, controlled/ fixed wing, and powered/ fixed wing had already been
done before...
M
> >
> >
> The Wright brothers also did not have the required observers and
> employed a katapult in order to make their contraption `fly. (Reportedly)
> Their flight was not recognized by the French academy until sometime in
> the 20s, presumably when US clout had reached its necessary momentum.
> There is a lot of arguments not to believe the Wright story, but why
> ruin a day that has been prepared for so well...
>
> One of the biggest achivements of the USA is that of historical
> engineering, something Hollywood and its likes have perfected along the
> years- although they did not invent it- they may come up one day with
> that claim too :-)
>
> Alex, #529
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall heat shield. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Alex Kaarsberg <kaarsber@terra.com.br>
I have seen one Rotax installation where the exhaust pipes were shrouded
in asbestos cloth, it was said to reduce temps considerably.
You cant get that easily everywhere though...
Alex #529
Cliff Shaw wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
>
>Jeff
>
>I put the self sticking type of reflective sheet on the front of the foot
>wells. It reduced the heat in the cockpit last summer quit a bit. I bought
>it in sheets from ACS.
>
>Cliff Shaw
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: lightning strikes to composite |
aircraft
--> Europa-List message posted by: Alex Kaarsberg <kaarsber@terra.com.br>
n3eu@comcast.net wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
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>
>
>>I have always wondered whether anyone has ever made a test to see if a
>>metallic
>>primer or topcoat would lessen the impact of a lightning strike.
>>
>>
I dont believe you can create a safe path for a lightning strike in a
plastic plane without losing your payload capacity, but you should be
able to avoid building up the static that attracts the lightning in the
first place, hence my recommendation for conductive paint etc.
Alex # 529
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall heat shield. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi Kevin,
I used Heat Barrier Adhesive Backed p/n 08-00600 from Aircraft Spruce. It
comes 12" x 24" sheets and I needed 4 packets to cover the front of the foot
wells and the front of the firewall. I did not cover the insides of the
foot wells I also used the Aluminized Tape to seal off the edges. You can
see the result on http://europa363.versadev.com under 8th of December.
Regards, Paul
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 12/17/03 7:10 AM, Alex Kaarsberg at kaarsber@terra.com.br wrote:
> The Wright brothers also did not have the required observers and
> employed a katapult in order to make their contraption `fly. (Reportedly)
> Their flight was not recognized by the French academy until sometime in
> the 20s, presumably when US clout had reached its necessary momentum.
> There is a lot of arguments not to believe the Wright story, but why
> ruin a day that has been prepared for so well...
>
> One of the biggest achivements of the USA is that of historical
> engineering, something Hollywood and its likes have perfected along the
> years- although they did not invent it- they may come up one day with
> that claim too :-)
There are no arguments not to believe the Wright story unless youre going
by hearsay. The only thing the Wrights did was invent the worlds first
efficient prop, the first engine that would be light enough to use in an
airplane, and the first fixed wing fully controllable airplane. They flew it
from a runway without a Catapult, documented it with photos and witnesses.
Given the time and lack of past research to go by it was an astounding feet.
Oh did I mention they also invented wind tunnel research.
As far as it taking 20 years for the French beaurocracy to finally
understand the truth. Whats New!
Jeff
A258
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: Europa-List: Fill tools?
| --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris"
<rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
|
| Was fooling using expancil for the first time to fill aileron area with
trim tab on it.
|
| It seems like my spackle tools, knives from 2 inches to 18 inches wide may
be a good thing to use.
|
| i also have some sanding blocks made for spackle that are ~ 3 inches wide
and 9 inches long. they will accept sandpaper and have a foam backing.
|
| i also have some of the spackle sanding screens.
|
| Anybody use these for europa filling / sanding?
|
| thx.
| Ron Parigoris
Yes I used spachl screens for my initial rough finishing stages - all 3
sizes. very efficient (too?) but try it with care - good for gross removals!
Ferg
A064
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: lightning strikes to composite |
aircraft
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Shaw" <jm.shaw@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: lightning strikes to
composite aircraft
| --> Europa-List message posted by: "Martin Shaw" <jm.shaw@ntlworld.com>
|
| Paul,
| Points to remember about lightning strikes :-
| 1. Aircraft rubbing against the air generate an electric charge and this
| will attract a bolt of lightning from an oppositely charged Cb. Expensive
| aircraft have static discharge wicks to dissipate this charge
IMHO, not a point of interest. Our aircraft is too small to
build up any sort of large chargein time (it dissipates faster than it
forms). Also which charge counts - positive or negative? Who knows? Don't go
near them.
| 2. From personal experience I know that lightning can strike over 10 miles
| laterally out of a Cb.
The Atlantic North and Canadian maritimes are great generators
and have been struck dozens of times since 1948 DC3s to 767s. My minimum
personal distance is 25 miles at FRZLVL, 20 below. The thing is, where are
they without radar? Don't go near them.
|
| 3. A metal aeroplane is bonded together and so the electricity has the
full
| run of the whole aeroplane. You will, of course remember from your school
| days that like charges repel each other and so any electric charge, such
as
| a lightning strike will repel itself and stay in the outermost atoms of
the
| metal structure. You will therefore be safe unless wing-walking at the
time.
Very true. Unfortunately for us most of our 'outer atoms' are
inside the structure. Don't go near 'em.
| 4. A non conducting, plastic aeroplane struck by lightning will
disintegrate
| and the occupants will die.
... or in the case of the Brit glider, get burnt some.See:
http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_avsafety/documents/page/dft_avsafety_500699.hcsp
ALL ABOVE ON ONE LINE.
|
| See you in the bar on thundery days,| best wishes,| Martin Shaw.
Bang on, Martin! Don't go near 'em. They do what 8-foot gorillas
do - whatever they please. Reducing the electrical resistance to 12 volts
won't bother 100,000V at 60,000 amps.
Ferg
A064
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
Hi All,
Please check with Andy before installing another type of nylon outrigger
leg. Be sure you are using the right kind of nylon. The type needed is not
a common one. We have tried similar types here with bad results over time.
Happy Building!
John
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Hagar
Subject: Europa-List: Longer Legs
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
I put the bird on all four wheels recently after plugging in the wings and
putting the outriggers in. Needless to say it is a stretch for the
outriggers to reach the ground at the length supplied in the kit. Looking
in the McMaster catalog it appears as the white nylon 6/6 is what is used
on the Europa. The other nylons have a statement about "using indoors?". I
am shooting for about a half an inch clearance between the wheels and the
ground. How much settleing is induced with a full load?
Steve
A143
Mesa, AZ
--- Steve Hagar
--- hagargs@earthlink.net
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul Bunting" <paul.bunting@developtheweb.com>
Hi Guys,
> Oh did I mention they also invented wind tunnel research
Afraid the Wright Brothers didn't invent wind tunnel research, the first
recorded wind tunnel was invented in 1871, by Frank H. Wenham, in
Britain. The Wright brothers used the British design of a wind tunnel...
What they did invent, however, was their balances and gauges (made out
of old hacksaw blades and the like) which allowed them to accurately
measure the lift and drag created by different Aerofoil shapes allowing
better wing design and possibly more importantly the Wright brothers are
recorded as the first to use calculations (rather that trial and error)
to design the most efficient propeller for their needs.
Paul
#594
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Roberts
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Kitty Hawk
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 12/17/03 7:10 AM, Alex Kaarsberg at kaarsber@terra.com.br wrote:
> The Wright brothers also did not have the required observers and
> employed a katapult in order to make their contraption `fly.
> (Reportedly) Their flight was not recognized by the French academy
> until sometime in the 20s, presumably when US clout had reached its
> necessary momentum. There is a lot of arguments not to believe the
> Wright story, but why ruin a day that has been prepared for so well...
>
> One of the biggest achivements of the USA is that of historical
> engineering, something Hollywood and its likes have perfected along
> the
> years- although they did not invent it- they may come up one day with
> that claim too :-)
There are no arguments not to believe the Wright story unless youre
going by hearsay. The only thing the Wrights did was invent the worlds
first efficient prop, the first engine that would be light enough to use
in an airplane, and the first fixed wing fully controllable airplane.
They flew it from a runway without a Catapult, documented it with photos
and witnesses. Given the time and lack of past research to go by it was
an astounding feet. Oh did I mention they also invented wind tunnel
research. As far as it taking 20 years for the French beaurocracy to
finally understand the truth. Whats New!
Jeff
A258
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| Subject: | Paint coverage (now degenerating into politics) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
Give, did you say give? Does Philadelphia in 1776 ring a "bell" perhaps?
Maybe Yorktown (1881) sounds familiar. The Peace of Versailles (1883)
finally settled the whole mess, but it merely formalized what was already
fact: independence from mad King George, who (by the way) did not simply
declare victory and bring the redcoats home. But it's OK, we can still be
friends, and we forgive the transgressions of the 18th Century, because
those who ruled before El Jorge Loco got us off to a pretty good start.
...and, oh yes, you spell funny too :)
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Trevpond@aol.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Paint coverage
--> Europa-List message posted by: Trevpond@aol.com
This is what happens when you give one of your Colonies their Independence!
They get too big for their boots and start asking difficult questions
instead
of just accepting measurements as fact!!!
Trev Pond
914 Trigear
being born
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| Subject: | Operation Kitty Hawk |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
To those interested, a Europa long wing aircraft took to the skies at 7:35
PST on December 17th and flew a north bound straight ahead - in the air for 12
seconds. This was my personal gesture to the event that took place 100 years
ago.
the weather was clear, the temp was 17 degrees F and as usual for a Europa
flight, it went without a hitch.
At least one Europa was in the air at that exact time!
Dave A227
Mini U2
Complete - 137 hours TT, trying to come up with a cowl flap arrangement
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Erich Trombley <erichdtrombley@juno.com>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Erich Trombley <erichdtrombley@juno.com>
"Looking to get a new headset for the new year, what are peoples
suggestions?
what have you been using and how do you like it?"
I purchased two C-100 Centurion headsets from SoftComm. I really love these headsets.
I can wear the headsets for many hours with comfort, typically 4-5 hours.
The units are unique in that the ANR circuitry does not require a separate
power source, but rather uses a proprietary design that is powered through
either the radio or intercom via the headset jacks. So no batteries to every
worry about. Additionally, the headsets automatically switch between stereo or
mono. No external switch to mess with. Those interested can check them out
at
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Happy Holidays to all.
Erich Trombley
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mail will be accepted). PLEASE add the Matronics list address (europa-list@matronics.com)
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day. Behavior like that is as bad as spam - YOUR carelessness is causing hundreds
of extra emails each day.
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Trombley
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Headsets
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"Looking to get a new headset for the new year, what are peoples
suggestions?
what have you been using and how do you like it?"
I purchased two C-100 Centurion headsets from SoftComm. I really love these headsets.
I can wear the headsets for many hours with comfort, typically 4-5 hours.
The units are unique in that the ANR circuitry does not require a separate
power source, but rather uses a proprietary design that is powered through
either the radio or intercom via the headset jacks. So no batteries to every
worry about. Additionally, the headsets automatically switch between stereo or
mono. No external switch to mess with. Those interested can check them out
at
http://www.softcommheadsets.com/aviation-products/html/headsets.html
Happy Holidays to all.
Erich Trombley
N28ET
Flying - classic 914 with Warp Drive prop
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| Subject: | Firewall heat shield. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>> I have seen one Rotax installation where the exhaust pipes were
shrouded in asbestos cloth, it was said to reduce temps considerably.
You cant get that easily everywhere though...
Several builders have already discovered that this is a great way of
ensuring a short life for your exhaust pipes. I think there's a note in
the Europa technical bulletins somewhere advising against wrapping the
exhaust pipes.
Tony
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Alex Kaarsberg <kaarsber@terra.com.br>
>
>
># DO NOT ARCHIVE #
>There are no arguments not to believe the Wright story unless youre going
>by hearsay. The only thing the Wrights did was invent the worlds first
>efficient prop, the first engine that would be light enough to use in an
>airplane, and the first fixed wing fully controllable airplane. They flew it
>from a runway without a Catapult, documented it with photos and witnesses.
>Given the time and lack of past research to go by it was an astounding feet.
>Oh did I mention they also invented wind tunnel research.
>As far as it taking 20 years for the French beaurocracy to finally
>understand the truth. Whats New!
>
>Jeff
>A258
>
>
>
Oh but there are plenty, for those with an axe to grind, :-) my good
countryman Santos Dumont was registered as the first for a long time and
it would thus be wrong not to stand up for him in these nationalistic
times....
Firstly there is the fact that the photograph used as evidence was only
published five years after the event, in the paper Illustration June 6
1908. Funny thing to keep such news so secret for so long?
Then there are the witnesses, were they local farmers? In any case they
did not conform to the requirements of the time.
Thus it appears the report of the flight itself is hearsay, no more....
Then there is the fact the replica did not make it airborne today,
perhaps the wind was less than the 40 kt required to get this airborne,
ho ho..
They did good things for flying, a great prop among other things, but
first to fly? Cant say for sure and I dont think it is so important,
really.
The brits love to call Mr Whittle the inventor of the jet, but forget
the Italian (forgot his name :-) ) who invented it, Whittle made it work.
The Germans like to think they had VTOL sorted out before the Brits with
their Dornier. And so it goes...
The Danes know that it was a Dane who discovered electromagnetism and
we, his descendants should have a right to royalties on all related
products (Practically on every product in existance today, $$$$$...)
It was, of course also Danish vikings who discovered America which
should give us the right to be Fathers of America. (Conveniently
forgetting about the previous inhabitants)
And so I could go on, but I think I will start thinking about getting
back to get my own contraption to look like a plane- sorry for the
waisted bandwith.
Alex #529 in hot Sao Paulo.
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall heat shield. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Alex Kaarsberg <kaarsber@terra.com.br>
Tony S. Krzyzewski wrote:
>Several builders have already discovered that this is a great way of
>ensuring a short life for your exhaust pipes. I think there's a note in
>the Europa technical bulletins somewhere advising against wrapping the
>exhaust pipes.
>
>Tony
>
>
>
Thanks for that one Tony!
Do you know why, is it about corrosion or what?
Alex
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall heat shield. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
I have read that the 914 now comes with an exhaust that is much more heat
resistant than the older version.
Will this new exhaust take wrapping?
Ron Parigoris
"Tony S. Krzyzewski" wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>
> >> I have seen one Rotax installation where the exhaust pipes were
> shrouded in asbestos cloth, it was said to reduce temps considerably.
> You cant get that easily everywhere though...
>
> Several builders have already discovered that this is a great way of
> ensuring a short life for your exhaust pipes. I think there's a note in
> the Europa technical bulletins somewhere advising against wrapping the
> exhaust pipes.
>
> Tony
>
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| Subject: | Re: Operation Kitty Hawk |
--> Europa-List message posted by: James H Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Dave,
I installed a cowl flap that seems to have reasonable effect. I
mounted it in the outlet of the cowl and it goes from (on the ground)
about 45 degrees downward, to almost fully closed. (about 1-1/4" gap to
fully closed. It functions with a push pull knob on the instrument panel
under the radio stack. Pix are available if you want something to ponder
over.
Jim Nelson
N15JN
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| Subject: | Re: Fire wall heat shield. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: James H Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Alex,
Don't cover the exhaust pipes with insulation. It will cause
premature failure of the pipes. I just shielded the pipes from other
parts on the engine. Where the left rear pipe comes very close to the
pilots foot well, I mounted a thin stainless steel shield half way
between the parts and bolted the shield to the foot well. This prevented
heat in the form of IR radiation from baking the foot well in that area.
I also made a shield for the right rear pipe to keep it from baking the
electronics and other goodies in that area. I have had no problems with a
too warm foot wells since I made those shields. I fly in Florida so its
a bit warm here most of the year.
Jim Nelson
N15JN
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--> Europa-List message posted by: James H Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Hi Steve,
I also had to lengthen my outriggers. I went to my local
plastics warehouse and got Nylon 66 rod and cut new lengths to reach the
ground. I also left about 1/2" shy on each side. Since I fly alone
almost all the time I'm not worried what will happen when loaded. The
outrigger slants rearward and will take up any scrunching with a full
load.
Jim Nelson
N15JN
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| Subject: | Firewall heat shield. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>> Thanks for that one Tony!
>> Do you know why, is it about corrosion or what?
Yes. Lagging the pipes has led to early corrosion. What a few Rotax
owners have down here is have a high temperature bake on insulator
applied by one of our local companies, High Performance Coatings.
http://www.hpcoatings.co.nz/exhaust.htm. This has worked very well
without the corrosion problems associated with lagging.
Tony
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| Subject: | Re: Operation Kitty Hawk |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
In a message dated 12/17/2003 12:44:10 PM Pacific Standard Time,
europajim@juno.com writes:
> Dave,
> I installed a cowl flap that seems to have reasonable effect. I
> mounted it in the outlet of the cowl and it goes from (on the ground)
> about 45 degrees downward, to almost fully closed. (about 1-1/4" gap to
> fully closed. It functions with a push pull knob on the instrument panel
> under the radio stack. Pix are available if you want something to ponder
> over.
>
> Jim Nelson
> N15JN
>
Thank you Jim,
I would love to see those pictures as that is exactly what I am planning. The
big question I have is how to route and anchor the control cable. If you
could send me pictures off line, I'd appreciate it.
thanks,
Dave
A227
Mini U2
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall heat shield. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Experiencing 450 F in the footwell seems incredible. But then, so does the
concept of sitting at the hold in 95 F.
For those of us in more moderate climates (viz the UK) I would think it
unlikely that we would experience problems like this. My 912S in an XS Mono
has never shown the least tendency to get hot around the footwell, nor have
there been any signs within the cowling to that effect.Quite the contrary. I
have to blank a serious part of the radiator to maintain a reasonable
running temp in the winter. Others I have spoken to with the same format
have experienced the same characteristics.
My build is strictly to the manual, with no heat lagging on the firewall.
The venting and exhaust are also to the manual. So far my primitive
carbonmonoxide indicators have shown nothing up, nor have I ever felt unwell
after 220 hours in it, so there has been no reason to consider changing any
venting arrangements.
I go to the trouble of writing this to reassure builders. Sometimes they can
be alarmed into making unnecessary mods. Please think very carefully before
departing from the build instruction. All of these little extras can sound
very tempting, but you are trying to build a Europa. Remember that you need
to have a target weight of 800lbs to leave 570lbs free to take two adults
with full fuel plus 80lbs of luggage and headsets. If you can manage to
achieve that target weight, an XS with a 912s is a superb aeroplane. It
takes off like a rocket and can cruise at 130 knots, with a simple fixed
pitch prop.
Have fun, flying, or building. Bryan A. K 360 G- BYSA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Roberts" <jeff@rmmm.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Firewall heat shield.
> > Early in our build (XS mono-wheel with 912S) we heard stories of heat
> > from the engine compartment getting into the foot wells (smoking the
> > carpeting?!) and in front of the instrument panel, heating up the
> > radios, etc. We decided to put cool mat on our firewall to keep out
> > this heat.
> > With 300+ hours on our plane, I would strongly recommend some form of
> > insulation on the firewall. We had temperatures of up to 450 degF at
> > the front of the footwell, melting tie wraps into drops of nylon.
> > Although we have since reduced those extreme temperatures to less than
> > 300 degF, that is still pretty warm.
> > With all the temperature extremes we have had, there has never been
> > noticable heat into the cabin or instrument panel.
> >
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| Subject: | Firewall heat shield. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
My 914 has the new exhaust silencer and it looks as if the bulge in the
lower cowl is no longer necessary. Don't know if its more "heat resistant"
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ronald J.
Parigoris
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Firewall heat shield.
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris"
<rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
I have read that the 914 now comes with an exhaust that is much more heat
resistant than the older version.
Will this new exhaust take wrapping?
Ron Parigoris
"Tony S. Krzyzewski" wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>
> >> I have seen one Rotax installation where the exhaust pipes were
> shrouded in asbestos cloth, it was said to reduce temps considerably.
> You cant get that easily everywhere though...
>
> Several builders have already discovered that this is a great way of
> ensuring a short life for your exhaust pipes. I think there's a note in
> the Europa technical bulletins somewhere advising against wrapping the
> exhaust pipes.
>
> Tony
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Kaarsberg" <kaarsber@terra.com.br>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Kitty Hawk
| --> Europa-List message posted by: Alex Kaarsberg <kaarsber@terra.com.br>
|
| >
| >
| ># DO NOT ARCHIVE #
| >There are no arguments not to believe the Wright story unless youre going
| >by hearsay. The only thing the Wrights did was invent the worlds first
| >efficient prop, the first engine that would be light enough to use in an
| >airplane, and the first fixed wing fully controllable airplane. They flew
it
| >from a runway without a Catapult, documented it with photos and
witnesses.
| >Given the time and lack of past research to go by it was an astounding
feet.
| >Oh did I mention they also invented wind tunnel research.
| >As far as it taking 20 years for the French beaurocracy to finally
| >understand the truth. Whats New!
| >
| >Jeff
| >A258
| >
| >
| >
| Oh but there are plenty, for those with an axe to grind, :-) my good
| countryman Santos Dumont was registered as the first for a long time and
| it would thus be wrong not to stand up for him in these nationalistic
| times....
|
| Firstly there is the fact that the photograph used as evidence was only
| published five years after the event, in the paper Illustration June 6
| 1908. Funny thing to keep such news so secret for so long?
|
| Then there are the witnesses, were they local farmers? In any case they
| did not conform to the requirements of the time.
| Thus it appears the report of the flight itself is hearsay, no more....
|
| Then there is the fact the replica did not make it airborne today,
| perhaps the wind was less than the 40 kt required to get this airborne,
| ho ho..
|
| They did good things for flying, a great prop among other things, but
| first to fly? Cant say for sure and I dont think it is so important,
| really.
|
| The brits love to call Mr Whittle the inventor of the jet, but forget
| the Italian (forgot his name :-) ) who invented it, Whittle made it work.
| The Germans like to think they had VTOL sorted out before the Brits with
| their Dornier. And so it goes...
| The Danes know that it was a Dane who discovered electromagnetism and
| we, his descendants should have a right to royalties on all related
| products (Practically on every product in existance today, $$$$$...)
| It was, of course also Danish vikings who discovered America which
| should give us the right to be Fathers of America. (Conveniently
| forgetting about the previous inhabitants)
| And so I could go on, but I think I will start thinking about getting
| back to get my own contraption to look like a plane- sorry for the
| waisted bandwith.
|
| Alex #529 in hot Sao Paulo.
Alex in Sao Paulo..........
Good news! The first published map to include the word "America"
was sat plumb in the middle of present-day Brasil....... So perhaps you are
the real America.........
Ferg
A064
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| Subject: | Operation Kitty Hawk |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
Me too Jim....
Troy Maynor
N120EU Monowheel Classic
Left to finish:
Paint,interior,engine install, wiring.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> DJA727@aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:20 PM
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Operation Kitty Hawk
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DJA727@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 12/17/2003 12:44:10 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> europajim@juno.com writes:
>
> > Dave,
> > I installed a cowl flap that seems to have reasonable effect. I
> > mounted it in the outlet of the cowl and it goes from (on the ground)
> > about 45 degrees downward, to almost fully closed. (about 1-1/4" gap to
> > fully closed. It functions with a push pull knob on the
> instrument panel
> > under the radio stack. Pix are available if you want something
> to ponder
> > over.
> >
> > Jim Nelson
> > N15JN
> >
>
> Thank you Jim,
>
> I would love to see those pictures as that is exactly what I am
> planning. The
> big question I have is how to route and anchor the control cable. If you
> could send me pictures off line, I'd appreciate it.
>
> thanks,
>
> Dave
> A227
> Mini U2
>
>
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