Today's Message Index:
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1. 04:44 AM - gap and trough (Jos Okhuijsen)
2. 06:08 AM - Re: Paint coverage (now degenerating into politics ... and seman... (Fergus Kyle)
3. 06:44 AM - Re: gap and trough (ScramIt@aol.com)
4. 06:46 AM - RiteAngle AOA Flap Sensor (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
5. 06:47 AM - Re: gap and trough (ScramIt@aol.com)
6. 07:21 AM - Re: RiteAngle AOA Flap Sensor (Ami McFadyean)
7. 08:12 AM - Engine mount & offset concern. (Jeff Roberts)
8. 09:08 AM - Re: Engine mount & offset concern. (Cliff Shaw)
9. 09:11 AM - Re: Engine mount & offset concern. (Jeff Roberts)
10. 11:39 AM - Re: RiteAngle AOA Flap Sensor (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
11. 02:29 PM - Re: Paint coverage (now degenerating into politics ... and seman... (Trevpond@aol.com)
12. 05:56 PM - Cowl flaps and BB (ScramIt@aol.com)
13. 06:25 PM - Anyone interested in super light weight covers? (Ronald J. Parigoris)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Jos Okhuijsen <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
It's about page 3 - 11, after joining the in-and outboard cores. The manual
talks about microfilling the gap at the rib joint area. Then later to flox
fill the trough of the rib. I am a bit lost here, what are the right places
to put micro and flox here?
Jos Okhuijsen kit 600, 60 hours, tailplanes in the making
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| Subject: | Re: Paint coverage (now degenerating into politics ... and |
seman...
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
"In a message dated 18/12/2003 15:40:07 GMT Standard Time, VE3LVO@rac.ca
writes:
> and, oh yes, you spell funny too "
Trev,
Sorry, but it was not me who wrote that. A retraction would help
clear my name. Secondly I believe the "you" to which he referred was plural,
not a personal attack.
Ferg
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| Subject: | Re: gap and trough |
--> Europa-List message posted by: ScramIt@aol.com
> It's about page 3 - 11, after joining the in-and outboard cores. The manual
> talks about microfilling the gap at the rib joint area.
>
The trailing edge area that will someday be your anti-servo trim tab, that
gap gets micro. Along with all the hot wire slits.
"do not get micro on the peel ply tapes or the glass rib."
> Then later to flox fill the trough of the rib.
>
The next paragraph talks about the glass rib. It is slightly below the level
of the blue foam. The flox will structurally bring the surface flush.
The kitchen film tip worked great for me.
Some Photos:
http://homepage.mac.com/sdunsmuir/EuropaSite/Tail%20Plane/Tail%20Plane.html
SteveD
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| Subject: | RiteAngle AOA Flap Sensor |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
To those who already have installed the RiteAngle AOA flap position sensor:
Where did you connect it to the flap mechanism?
It appears that a suitable point would be to fit the ball link to one of the
hinge arms (FL16), drilling the small diameter hole for it in the centre
line of the hinge arm as close as possible to the fuselage floor. This
should give the desired 90 degree rotation of the sensor. - Other
suggestions?
Seasons Greetings to all.
Svein
A225 - now in Norway
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| Subject: | Re: gap and trough |
--> Europa-List message posted by: ScramIt@aol.com
> It's about page 3 - 11, after joining the in-and outboard cores. The manual
> talks about microfilling the gap at the rib joint area.
>
The trailing edge area that will someday be your anti-servo trim tab, that
gap gets micro. Along with all the hot wire slits.
"do not get micro on the peel ply tapes or the glass rib."
> Then later to flox fill the trough of the rib.
>
The next paragraph talks about the glass rib. It is slightly below the level
of the blue foam. The flox will structurally bring the surface flush.
The kitchen film tip worked great for me.
Some Photos:
http://homepage.mac.com/sdunsmuir/EuropaSite/Tail%20Plane/Tail%20Plane.html
SteveD
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| Subject: | Re: RiteAngle AOA Flap Sensor |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
I attached mine in the exact position that you suggest in your posting.
Installed for 2 years but still not working yet! (can't get audio to work
correctly).
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
Subject: Europa-List: RiteAngle AOA Flap Sensor
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen"
<sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
>
> To those who already have installed the RiteAngle AOA flap position
sensor:
> Where did you connect it to the flap mechanism?
>
> It appears that a suitable point would be to fit the ball link to one of
the
> hinge arms (FL16), drilling the small diameter hole for it in the centre
> line of the hinge arm as close as possible to the fuselage floor. This
> should give the desired 90 degree rotation of the sensor. - Other
> suggestions?
>
> Seasons Greetings to all.
>
> Svein
> A225 - now in Norway
>
>
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| Subject: | Engine mount & offset concern. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
I Just hung the engine yesterday and used 2 of the AN960-516 washers in the
starboard side mounts to achieve the required 1.5 degrees offset. The plans
call for at least 4 washers under each bolt. If I did this I wouldnt have
room to screw the nut on. Then it asks us to place any remaining washers
immediately under the nut. Once again if I did this I wouldnt have room to
get the nut on. All the MTO4 rubber mounts have been fully compressed onto
the spacers. Am I missing something here or perhaps the four AN5-41 mounting
bolts I ordered through ACS were shorter than the original ones that Europa
uses.
Any way the engine is on and its setting at the 1.5 degree offset. The
holes for the split pin appear to be just perfect with respect to the
castellated nut and I only used 2 washers between the starboard landing gear
frame and the cup washer. For those that have gone before, am I OK here?
Thanks in advance!
Jeff Tri gear A258
PS. For those that inquired, the firewall-insulating mat sold through Wicks
at $6.33 per foot worked well and it only took 8 feet of the 24" wide sheet.
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| Subject: | Re: Engine mount & offset concern. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Jeff
I had the same concern when I first mounted my 912S. Later I found that I
had NOT gotten the mounts fully compressed. I have the engine off now and
will be interested in replies to your question. My feeling is that the 4
washers , plus the shock mount full compressed will work out OK with the
AN41 bolts.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds WA 98020
(425) 776-5555
N229WC "Wile E Coyote"
New Email:" flyinggpa@comcast.net "
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Roberts" <jeff@rmmm.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Engine mount & offset concern.
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
>
> I Just hung the engine yesterday and used 2 of the AN960-516 washers in
the
> starboard side mounts to achieve the required 1.5 degrees offset. The
plans
> call for at least 4 washers under each bolt. If I did this I wouldnt have
> room to screw the nut on. Then it asks us to place any remaining washers
> immediately under the nut. Once again if I did this I wouldnt have room to
> get the nut on. All the MTO4 rubber mounts have been fully compressed onto
> the spacers. Am I missing something here or perhaps the four AN5-41
mounting
> bolts I ordered through ACS were shorter than the original ones that
Europa
> uses.
> Any way the engine is on and its setting at the 1.5 degree offset. The
> holes for the split pin appear to be just perfect with respect to the
> castellated nut and I only used 2 washers between the starboard landing
gear
> frame and the cup washer. For those that have gone before, am I OK here?
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Jeff Tri gear A258
>
> PS. For those that inquired, the firewall-insulating mat sold through
Wicks
> at $6.33 per foot worked well and it only took 8 feet of the 24" wide
sheet.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine mount & offset concern. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 12/21/03 10:14 AM, Jeff Roberts at jeff@rmmm.net wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
>
> I Just hung the engine yesterday and used 2 of the AN960-516 washers in the
> starboard side mounts to achieve the required 1.5 degrees offset. The plans
> call for at least 4 washers under each bolt. If I did this I wouldnt have
> room to screw the nut on. Then it asks us to place any remaining washers
> immediately under the nut. Once again if I did this I wouldnt have room to
> get the nut on. All the MTO4 rubber mounts have been fully compressed onto
> the spacers. Am I missing something here or perhaps the four AN5-41 mounting
> bolts I ordered through ACS were shorter than the original ones that Europa
> uses.
> Any way the engine is on and its setting at the 1.5 degree offset. The
> holes for the split pin appear to be just perfect with respect to the
> castellated nut and I only used 2 washers between the starboard landing gear
> frame and the cup washer. For those that have gone before, am I OK here?
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Jeff Tri gear A258
>
> PS. For those that inquired, the firewall-insulating mat sold through Wicks
> at $6.33 per foot worked well and it only took 8 feet of the 24" wide sheet.
>
>
>
>
>
>
After further review it appears ACS sent me AN5-40's instead of -41's. This
is obviously why I don't have room for the 4 washers under the bolt & nut
heads. Does anyone see any reason to remove these and order the longer ones
just to have a place to store washers, or is there another reason for
putting the 4 washers there?
Thanks,
Jeff A258
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| Subject: | RiteAngle AOA Flap Sensor |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>
> It appears that a suitable point would be to fit the ball link to one
> of
the
> hinge arms (FL16), drilling the small diameter hole for it in the
> centre line of the hinge arm as close as possible to the fuselage
> floor. This should give the desired 90 degree rotation of the sensor.
> - Other suggestions?
Alternatively, if you have a monowheel, you can use a microswitch on the
gear lever to select one of two resistors. This has the same effect as
the potentiometer but as the mono only has 'up' or 'down' you only need
two settings.
Tony
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| Subject: | Re: Paint coverage (now degenerating into politics ... and |
seman...
--> Europa-List message posted by: Trevpond@aol.com
Ferg,
That's all right, It matters not, it's English; after all, the rest of the
world just borrows the language!!
kind regards
Trev
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| Subject: | Cowl flaps and BB |
--> Europa-List message posted by: ScramIt@aol.com
I've reposted Tom Friedlands email on cowl flaps on the forum with pictures.
http://68.39.166.123/~stevedunsmuir/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=14
I've modified the board to meet the requests I've received and I'd like to
get everything tested before moving to a real server.
1) Calendar for upcoming events: Users can submit items for the calendar and
moderators approve them.
2) Digests: For users that just have to have that email. You pick the topic
or topics you want to follow and every day or weekly at the same time an HTML
digest of the posts is emailed to you. Just click on the ones you want to read,
and you go directly to the post. This feature will go active after the move
to a server.
3) Attachment: Users can now directly upload photos and files to the site.
The first test is the cowl flap mod.
4) I've talked to John Hurst, Europa Fl., and he has expressed an interest in
having a factory presence on the site.
Thanks,
SteveD.
P.S. Thanks paulM for your input. The number of topics will be reduced as
soon as we figure out what they should be.
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| Subject: | Anyone interested in super light weight covers? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
I am a Balloonist.
Build all my own stuff.
Probably going to sew up some stuff for Europa monowheel.
For certain a super lightweight canopy cover made out of 1oz Parachute cloth for
flying with. This stuff is unbelievable light and stuffs real small. It is rip
stop nylon and silicon impregnated. It does not mildew, it also does not breath.
Mud and dirt does not stick to it! Don't walk on it, it is slipper than a banana
peel.
I am tired of covering plane with heavy tarp that lives in hanger, may make up
a lightweight one.
Anyone interested in any sort of covers?
Lightweight wing covers so if rains and on trailer will not fill wings? Could probably
stuff into a softball size. Use a normal vacuum to squeeze down and it
will
get a lot smaller that you could ever stuff. will not hurt fabric at all. Figured
would be ideal for flying around with and you got stuck.
CS Prop cover to keep rain out if stuck somewhere?
Lightweight drape over plane tent to sleep in?
I could make an entire hanger for plane that is inflatable that could easily be
put in laundry basket if made out of parachute material. Idea would be unzip
hanger
and roll plane on top of it, then zip together. Only a few stakes would be needed.
Inflation could be a leaf blower, just get one that sucks fresh air, not
exhaust. A shop vac works well on pressure. A quiet muffin fan works. If I used
a leaf blower, in 5 or 10 minutes it will be busting at seams. Then you only
need a
very small fan. can add windows, and door easily. I have a bunch of YKK Zippers.
they are awful airtight. Velcro is terrible, it leaks like a sieve.
You want wind resistant, make it out of heavier cloth and have some arch beams
made out of used fire hose pumped up to a hundred pounds of pressure. Could probably
withstand a lot more wind than you would care to leave your europa in. The lightweight
one, could probably be good to 20 MPH with minimal staking. If you use
a
standard box fan, or something similar, would have a vent in top, you keep on pumping
in fresh cool air to keep temp down. If cool out, close vent and don't
introduce fresh air.
You can set up on cement or tarmac, if you don't want holes, stake down with water.
Pails or collapsible.
I have a singer double needle bar feed, and puller foot. All seams will be French
Fell. Have also a Pfaff Zig Zag.
If anybody is interested, I will cost out all.
Ron Parigoris
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