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1. 12:38 AM - Re: Longer Legs (David DeFord)
2. 12:44 AM - Re: RiteAngle AOA Flap Sensor (David DeFord)
3. 02:18 AM - Re: baggage bay (Danny Shepherd)
4. 04:12 AM - Re: Engine mount & offset concern. (Kingsley Hurst)
5. 04:19 AM - Re: Longer Legs (Ronald J. Parigoris)
6. 08:29 AM - RiteAngle Flap sensor (RiteAngle3@aol.com)
7. 08:35 AM - Re: RiteAngle Audio fix (RiteAngle3@aol.com)
8. 09:16 AM - Re: Longer Legs (David DeFord)
9. 09:52 AM - Re: Re: RiteAngle Audio fix ()
10. 10:58 AM - Re: baggage bay (Tony S. Krzyzewski)
11. 01:54 PM - Re: Inventions (bryan allsop)
12. 02:04 PM - Re: Longer Legs ()
13. 02:06 PM - Re: Longer Legs (bryan allsop)
14. 03:32 PM - Re: Longer Legs ()
15. 09:01 PM - Failed rudder horn? (Ronald J. Parigoris)
16. 10:12 PM - Europa VHF Aerial Quality (tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au)
17. 10:16 PM - Female Rudder......No Horns (tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au)
18. 10:19 PM - Antw: RiteAngle AOA Flap Sensor (Alfred Buess)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "David DeFord" <davedeford@comcast.net>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar"
> <hagargs@earthlink.net>
>
> I put the bird on all four wheels recently after plugging in
> the wings and putting the outriggers in. Needless to say it
> is a stretch for the outriggers to reach the ground at the
> length supplied in the kit. Looking in the McMaster catalog
> it appears as the white nylon 6/6 is what is used on the
> Europa. The other nylons have a statement about "using
> indoors?". I am shooting for about a half an inch clearance
> between the wheels and the ground. How much settleing is
> induced with a full load?
I wouldn't be too quick to lengthen the outrigger legs. Ours started out
with at least half an inch of clearance on each wheel, but now both wheels
touch the ground, even with no load. The airplane has gained some weight
since the outrigger installation (paint, interior, etc.), and I suspect that
the bungees have stretched a bit as well. As your first flight approaches,
see how it feels while taxiing, with a typical load of fuel and gear. You
may not need to make any changes by then.
Dave DeFord
N135TD (flying)
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| Subject: | RiteAngle AOA Flap Sensor |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David DeFord" <davedeford@comcast.net>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Tony S. Krzyzewski
> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 11:36 AM
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: RiteAngle AOA Flap Sensor
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski"
> --> <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>
>
> >
> > It appears that a suitable point would be to fit the ball
> link to one
> > of
> the
> > hinge arms (FL16), drilling the small diameter hole for it in the
> > centre line of the hinge arm as close as possible to the fuselage
> > floor. This should give the desired 90 degree rotation of
> the sensor.
>
> > - Other suggestions?
>
> Alternatively, if you have a monowheel, you can use a
> microswitch on the gear lever to select one of two resistors.
> This has the same effect as the potentiometer but as the mono
> only has 'up' or 'down' you only need two settings.
>
> Tony
We used the switched resistor arrangement, as described by Tony, but with an
extra setting created by plugging in the glider wings (which are still under
construction). This should allow us an independent set of AOA calibration
values with the long wings. Unfortunately, we haven't been able to get
usable AOA indications. The current theory is that there is some kind of RF
interference, but we haven't had time to check this out yet.
Dave DeFord
N135TD (flying)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Danny Shepherd" <danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk>
Thanks Alex, I'll try to do it in one piece, if that fails I'll do it in
sections. either that or I get the wife to do it, she's better at wall
papering than me :-)
Cheers Danny
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Alex
Kaarsberg
Subject: Re: Europa-List: baggage bay
--> Europa-List message posted by: Alex Kaarsberg <kaarsber@terra.com.br>
>baggage bay ready to fit the u/c, now the "good book says lay up 2 +/-45
>plies of bid over the entire area" now not being the greatest when it comes
>to laying up, I wonder can one do it in sections or does it have to be in
>one piece?.
>
Danny,
If you want to do it in sections, you should let them overlap so as not
to lose out on structural strength.
Inot sure how much but would guess at an inch, that way the sections
grab hold on each other.
The drawback of doing this can be in the need for more filler in the
area if it is external and then theres the added few nosehairsweight
too :-)
Alex #529
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| Subject: | Re: Engine mount & offset concern. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
"Jeff Roberts" wrote:
> After further review it appears ACS sent me AN5-40's instead of -41's.
This
> is obviously why I don't have room for the 4 washers under the bolt & nut
> heads. Does anyone see any reason to remove these and order the longer
ones
> just to have a place to store washers, or is there another reason for
> putting the 4 washers there?
Jeff,
With my Classic I was originally supplied with 42mm long spacers and AN5-41
bolts. Europa have since changed these dimensions to 46mm spacers and
AN5-42 bolts, the reason being to compress the rubber mounts less in order
to allow a little more engine vibration dampening.
I suggest it would probably be best to measure your spacers and fit the
corresponding bolt. As far as the number of washers is concerned, I imagine
the minimum required to obtain the desired offset of the engine would be the
way to go but I would check with John Hurst or Nev Eyre at Europa to be sure
if I were you.
Regards and Best Wishes to All for the Festive Season
Kingsley Hurst
Mono Classic 281 in Oz.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Hello David
"The airplane has gained some weight
since the outrigger installation (paint, interior, etc.), and I suspect that
the bungees have stretched a bit as well."
You posted that the bungees may have stretched a bit causing the aeroplane to
sit lower.
I have a XS Monowheel and the bungee arrangement is used to aid in holding the
wheel in the up position, in other words to counter undercarriage weight. The
spring provided is a large lump of stiff black rubber type stuff that gets
compressed (Polyurathene?). It gets wider as you compress it and therefore gives
what i think is a progressive action. I have yet to fully assemble gear.
Anyway, curious do you have a monowheel, perhaps a Classic that uses bungee as
its main spring as well? Or did older XS have bungee?
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
A-265
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| Subject: | RiteAngle Flap sensor |
--> Europa-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
Europa-List: RiteAngle AOA Flap Sensor
Any of the solutions you have mentioned work, however I will advise all those
with the monogear~I have not personally flown or been around the trigear~
that the flaps have lots of movement when changing from static to flying, i.e.
trailing edge comes up a lot. When you do your flap position setup you need to
insure that you have someone lifting up on the flaps to simulate the airload,
otherwise you will be like we here were and not getting a flap change in
flight. Alternative would be to setup flap position in flight, with two positions
easy to do. The resistor as mentioned by Tony K works fine if one wishes to do
it that way.
Please contact me off list for more details
Elbie Mendenhall
Outstanding Customer Service is our Motto
If you like it let others know
If not let me know!
EM aviation, LLC
Elbie Mendenhall
riteangle3@aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: RiteAngle Audio fix |
--> Europa-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
If you have a problem with the RiteAngle, please advise me ASAP! We will do
everything in our power to resolve it.
To those on the list who have a problem with the audio, I sent a message out
of a fix several months ago. This is a small inexpensive audio amp. (under
$10.00 US) This problem occurs only on a small percentage of headsets / audio
panels. Please contact me off list and I will forward the part# and where it is
available.
Elbie Mendenhall
riteangle3@aol.com
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "David DeFord" <davedeford@comcast.net>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris"
> --> <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
>
> Hello David
>
> "The airplane has gained some weight
> since the outrigger installation (paint, interior, etc.), and
> I suspect that the bungees have stretched a bit as well."
>
> You posted that the bungees may have stretched a bit causing
> the aeroplane to sit lower.
>
> I have a XS Monowheel and the bungee arrangement is used to
> aid in holding the wheel in the up position, in other words
> to counter undercarriage weight. The spring provided is a
> large lump of stiff black rubber type stuff that gets
> compressed (Polyurathene?). It gets wider as you compress it
> and therefore gives what i think is a progressive action. I
> have yet to fully assemble gear.
>
> Anyway, curious do you have a monowheel, perhaps a Classic
> that uses bungee as its main spring as well? Or did older XS
> have bungee?
You're absolutely right. Settling would be due to increased compression of
the springy block, not to bungee stretching, in our monowheel XS.
Dave DeFord
N135TD
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| Subject: | Re: RiteAngle Audio fix |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
Hi Elbie
Flying is getting closer! I have not repositioned my vane farther out
yet and as I am now contemplating flying off a trailer, I am wondering
if anyone has devised a way to remove the vane to avoid damage when
putting the wings on and off? Murphy is out there and damage sometime
seems likely.
Thanks
Tom Friedland Europa XS mono Atascadero CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
RiteAngle3@aol.com
Subject: Europa-List: Re: RiteAngle Audio fix
--> Europa-List message posted by: RiteAngle3@aol.com
If you have a problem with the RiteAngle, please advise me ASAP! We will
do
everything in our power to resolve it.
To those on the list who have a problem with the audio, I sent a message
out
of a fix several months ago. This is a small inexpensive audio amp.
(under
$10.00 US) This problem occurs only on a small percentage of headsets /
audio
panels. Please contact me off list and I will forward the part# and
where it is
available.
Elbie Mendenhall
riteangle3@aol.com
==
==
==
==
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony S. Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>> Thanks Alex, I'll try to do it in one piece, if that fails I'll do it
in sections. either that or I get the wife to do it, she's better at
wall papering than me :-)
Do the layup onto a black plastic rubbish sack, cut it into strips of
the right width and do the layups with the plastic in place (on the
outer surface!). Once you've got it all nicely tucked in then just peel
the plastic off. It' really easy doing bid layups like that even when
you are in a confined space.
Tony
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
What "American Revolution"?
Bryan A. Dont Archive. Merry Christmas!
----- Original Message -----
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
>
> Along that line I, being in the USA, would be interested in on how the
> students of England are taught the "American Revolution"? And France for
that matter.
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: <kbcarpenter@comcast.net>
I have a mono and agree that the plane will settle some. Suggest leaving
the outriggers as supplied . You can always get longer ones later after
taxi tests.
Ken Carpenter
A123 N 9 XS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Longer Legs
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris"
<rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
>
> Hello David
>
> "The airplane has gained some weight
> since the outrigger installation (paint, interior, etc.), and I suspect
that
> the bungees have stretched a bit as well."
>
> You posted that the bungees may have stretched a bit causing the aeroplane
to
> sit lower.
>
> I have a XS Monowheel and the bungee arrangement is used to aid in holding
the
> wheel in the up position, in other words to counter undercarriage weight.
The
> spring provided is a large lump of stiff black rubber type stuff that
gets
> compressed (Polyurathene?). It gets wider as you compress it and therefore
gives
> what i think is a progressive action. I have yet to fully assemble gear.
>
> Anyway, curious do you have a monowheel, perhaps a Classic that uses
bungee as
> its main spring as well? Or did older XS have bungee?
>
> Thx.
> Ron Parigoris
> A-265
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
My XS mono rocks happily from one outrigger to the other even after many
hours of flying. It is something you become quite used to in time. other
Europas seem to do the same thing. If you operate out of farm strips it
would be quite impractical to expect both legs to touch the ground in the
hanger.
A personal view is that your outriggers are better too short than too long
in that you have less chance of them interfering during touch down.
Happy landings. Bryan A.----- Original Message -----
From: "David DeFord" <davedeford@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Longer Legs
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David DeFord" <davedeford@comcast.net>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar"
> > <hagargs@earthlink.net>
> >
> > I put the bird on all four wheels recently after plugging in
> > the wings and putting the outriggers in. Needless to say it
> > is a stretch for the outriggers to reach the ground at the
> > length supplied in the kit. Looking in the McMaster catalog
> > it appears as the white nylon 6/6 is what is used on the
> > Europa. The other nylons have a statement about "using
> > indoors?". I am shooting for about a half an inch clearance
> > between the wheels and the ground. How much settleing is
> > induced with a full load?
>
> I wouldn't be too quick to lengthen the outrigger legs. Ours started out
> with at least half an inch of clearance on each wheel, but now both wheels
> touch the ground, even with no load. The airplane has gained some weight
> since the outrigger installation (paint, interior, etc.), and I suspect
that
> the bungees have stretched a bit as well. As your first flight
approaches,
> see how it feels while taxiing, with a typical load of fuel and gear. You
> may not need to make any changes by then.
>
> Dave DeFord
> N135TD (flying)
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: <kbcarpenter@comcast.net>
Bryan puts it well. Another issue is that on grass, the outriggers will
touch more than on hard surface. Even on hard surface, it is not unusual
to encounter areas where the hard surface has a low area or dished area for
drainage. In those places, the outriggers will be in good contact and you
may at times wish they were even shorter.
Ken Carpenter
----- Original Message -----
From: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Longer Legs
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop"
<info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
>
> My XS mono rocks happily from one outrigger to the other even after many
> hours of flying. It is something you become quite used to in time. other
> Europas seem to do the same thing. If you operate out of farm strips it
> would be quite impractical to expect both legs to touch the ground in the
> hanger.
>
> A personal view is that your outriggers are better too short than too long
> in that you have less chance of them interfering during touch down.
>
> Happy landings. Bryan A.----- Original Message -----
> From: "David DeFord" <davedeford@comcast.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Longer Legs
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "David DeFord"
<davedeford@comcast.net>
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar"
> > > <hagargs@earthlink.net>
> > >
> > > I put the bird on all four wheels recently after plugging in
> > > the wings and putting the outriggers in. Needless to say it
> > > is a stretch for the outriggers to reach the ground at the
> > > length supplied in the kit. Looking in the McMaster catalog
> > > it appears as the white nylon 6/6 is what is used on the
> > > Europa. The other nylons have a statement about "using
> > > indoors?". I am shooting for about a half an inch clearance
> > > between the wheels and the ground. How much settleing is
> > > induced with a full load?
> >
> > I wouldn't be too quick to lengthen the outrigger legs. Ours started
out
> > with at least half an inch of clearance on each wheel, but now both
wheels
> > touch the ground, even with no load. The airplane has gained some
weight
> > since the outrigger installation (paint, interior, etc.), and I suspect
> that
> > the bungees have stretched a bit as well. As your first flight
> approaches,
> > see how it feels while taxiing, with a typical load of fuel and gear.
You
> > may not need to make any changes by then.
> >
> > Dave DeFord
> > N135TD (flying)
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Failed rudder horn? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Was reading Club Newsletter #39 today, and there was a Fellow Monowheel Flyer
that mentioned he had a Rudder Horn somehow disconnect from side of rudder early
on in flight testing.
I am a bit unclear as to what exactly happened and how I can prevent it from
happening to me?
I left Newsletter at hanger.
Would appreciate if anyone can bring me up to speed on happened.
Thx.
Sincerely
Ron Parigoris
A-265 Monowheel
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| Subject: | Europa VHF Aerial Quality |
--> Europa-List message posted by: tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au
Gidday,
I have the VHF aerial kit from Europa, and am wondering what others experience
with this has been. I suppose I am attemptting to evaluate, after purchase, which
is a bit of a dumb way to go. I am wondering whether to get a Bob Archer one
instead, and before my top is on, attach it to the inside of the fuse. Any
assistance greatly appreciated. I think if the Europa one is OK I will be running
it
up the back of the sternpost.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
Classic Taildragger (possibly convertible)
Wings, Ailerons, Flaps complete and connected
Fin, Rudder, Stabs, Tabs complete and sitting on torque tube.
Mass balance setup complete.
Doing access holes in floor of boat at the moment, one big one..in the
middle......6" in diameter and two handed gynaecology possible.
Engine 912S, not yet purchased.
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| Subject: | Female Rudder......No Horns |
--> Europa-List message posted by: tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au
Gidday,
Also I am wondering about a post on a dedicated site regarding a rudder actuating
mod that does without the "Christmas tree"........the way it was described. I can
only imagine it is another way to actuate the rudder without horns. Doesn't sound
like it would have the best mechanical advantage, but I am wondering if anyone
knows anything about such a method?
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
Classic Taildragger (possibly convertible)
Wings, Ailerons, Flaps complete and connected
Fin, Rudder, Stabs, Tabs complete and sitting on torque tube.
Mass balance setup complete.
Doing access holes in floor of boat at the moment, one big one..in the
middle......6" in diameter and two handed gynaecology possible.
Engine 912S, not yet purchased.
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| Subject: | RiteAngle AOA Flap Sensor |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alfred Buess" <Alfred.Buess@shl.bfh.ch>
Hello Svein
My flap position sensor is mounted at one of the baggage bay support ribs. The
sensor pushrod is attached to an aluminum bracket, that I mounted onto the bolt,
which holds the flap drive pushrod's rear end and the flap drive tube together.
This setup leaves all the flap drive parts unchanged (no holes). As a picture
says more than a thousand words, I'll send you offline two pictures showing
my solution.
Regards,
Alfred
HB-YKI, XS Monowheel classic wings, wiring the panel
>>> sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no 12/21 3:46 >>>
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
To those who already have installed the RiteAngle AOA flap position sensor:
Where did you connect it to the flap mechanism?
It appears that a suitable point would be to fit the ball link to one of the
hinge arms (FL16), drilling the small diameter hole for it in the centre
line of the hinge arm as close as possible to the fuselage floor. This
should give the desired 90 degree rotation of the sensor. - Other
suggestions?
Seasons Greetings to all.
Svein
A225 - now in Norway
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