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1. 01:20 AM - Antw: Wingtip strobe wires, what's the best place (Alfred Buess)
2. 05:27 AM - Rotax 912 Carburettor Heat Kit (Brian and Pat Tarmar)
3. 07:34 AM - electrics (Paul Stewart)
4. 09:13 AM - Choke cable termination (Paul McAllister)
5. 09:49 AM - Drop of the Hat Fly-out to Huddersfield (David Watts)
6. 10:28 AM - SV: Flap Travel (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
7. 10:41 AM - Re: Choke cable termination (Phil Tait)
8. 11:21 AM - Re: Choke cable termination (Richard Holder)
9. 11:35 AM - Re: Air Intake location for the 912S (nigel charles)
10. 01:08 PM - EIS Questions (Paul McAllister)
11. 01:45 PM - Re: Flap Travel (Alan Stills)
12. 02:59 PM - Re: Wingtip strobe wires, what's the best place to exit the fuse? (John & Paddy Wigney)
13. 03:24 PM - Flap Travel (Graham Singleton)
14. 03:31 PM - Re: Air Intake location for the 912S (James Nelson)
15. 03:48 PM - Re: Flap Travel (Alan Stills)
16. 04:29 PM - Re: EIS Questions (Jim Brown)
17. 05:49 PM - Colson Outrigger Wheels (Ronald J. Parigoris)
18. 06:04 PM - Re: EIS Questions (Kevin Klinefelter)
19. 07:59 PM - Re: Rotax 912 Carburettor Heat Kit (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
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to exit the fuse?
| Subject: | Wingtip strobe wires, what's the best place |
to exit the fuse?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alfred Buess" <Alfred.Buess@shl.bfh.ch>
Hi John,
The Whelen power supply of my A/C is also attached to a baggage support rib. However
I have chosen a different rooting for the strobe wires inside the fuselage:
Behind the rear wall of the baggage bay to the two canals on both sides of
the fuselage, that bring all wires from the rear fuselage to the cockpit panel.
The strobe wires exit the canals - they are under the door rebates - besides
the headrests and follow the corners between the fuselage sidewall and the seatback
wall. I drilled holes in the fuselage sides between the wing spar openings
and the front wing pin attachment to bring the strobe wires and the pitot-static
tubes to the wing root.Probably just one of many possible solutions.
Regards,
Alfred
HB-YKI Monowheel #097 XS fuselage and foam wings, finishing the panel electrics
>>> TELEDYNMCS@aol.com 01/02 6:32 >>>
Question for those who've come before me: Where is the best place for the
wires to exit the sides of the fuselage? My plan is to run the feed wires from
the power supply, located on one of the inner baggage bay supports, then route
the wires through the center tunnel and exiting near the CS15 bracket. I'm
planning to install Molex plugs so the wires can be disconnected when the wings
are removed. It appears that just behind the CS15 bracket at the bottom corner
there is enough room between the bracket and the gas tank for the wire to exit
without the potential of fouling the aileron linkage, yet still being within
the profile of the wing. Comments?
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| Subject: | Rotax 912 Carburettor Heat Kit |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian and Pat Tarmar" <freefolk@screaming.net>
I am currently agonising over whether to fit the Skydrive carburettor heat kit,
but am concerned that it introduces yet more pipery to any already cluttered
environment with even more chance of failure.
Has anyone introduced a moveable flap to the XS top of cowl NACA vent to shut off
cold air during likely icing conditions (and rain while parked) and use the
somewhat warmer source from inside as an alternative?
Finally, if I do go ahead with the heater, is it necessary to move the plenum chamber
back to accommodate the heat jackets? (I am just about to lay-up the skirt
seal flange)
Brian Tarmar G-OBJT 055 Classic Trigear with XS mods - (entering the tenth and
FINAL year of a build begun by John Grant!!!)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
TRjanks for all the responses. I have no doubt there are more on the way
on this topic.
Regards
Paul Stewart #432
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| Subject: | Choke cable termination |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
I am searching for the hardware that secures the choke cable on to the carburetor.
Can anyone tell me if its Rotax supplied or Europa supplied and what it looks
like.
Thanks, Paul
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| Subject: | Drop of the Hat Fly-out to Huddersfield |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Watts" <dg.watts@virgin.net>
Tomorrows forecast looks flyable so I am going to say it is on for the Fly-out
to Huddersfield (also known as Crosland Moor). The afternoon looks set to be better
than the morning so it might be better to set an arrival time period from
12.00 to 13.00.
Huddersfield has 550 mtrs of Asphalt oriented 07/25 with grass off the end making
a total of 800 mtrs available. If landing on 25 avoid low flying over the
houses and hospital .5 miles from the threshold. A restaurant is available on
the airfield. Call Huddersfield radio on 128.375 A/G and telephone for PPR and
more information on 01484 645784. The landing vouchers are in Pilot and Flyer
magazines.
Unfortunately I will not be able to get there (and I was so looking forward to
it), so can those who get there elect somebody to arrange the next fly-out.
Today I decided to change the water pump on my Mitsubishi Shogun. What a nightmare.
After 5 hours I have removed enough that I can now move the pump (and confirm
that I have the right replacement), but I have still got to remove more to
get it out, and then I have got to reverse the whole process, and I need the
car fixed as we are off skiing with it on Wednesday. There's nothing like a challenge
to put things into perspective.
Dave Watts G-BXDY
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
Alan,
Your message stated that you are expecting 30 degrees of flap. Actually, on
the trigear the max. flap setting shall be between 25 and 27 degrees, ref.
Annex E, page 4 (in my trigear manual, which is Issue 1, 30 May 1998). You
may have been mislead by the instruction in chapter 28, step 2, to mark the
slots in the fuselage sides to approx. 30 degrees down, and subsequent
instruction to cut the slot to allow full movement of the cross-tube (which
in my case meant to approx. 32 degrees before the stopper on the flap hinge
arm limited it (I had not read Annex E at that time!). For those not yet at
this stage: Mark your manual re. this, so you avoid cutting the slot too
far down and having to close it up with bid and flox, as I had to do!
My actuator has the same travel as yours - 98.0 mm or just shy of 3 7/8
inches - which gives me a flap deflection of 25.7 degrees.
With 24.5 degrees, and assuming everything else is fine, you may ask Europa
whether this is acceptable - my guess is that it will be OK (I assume you
are using a digital protractor. Had you used an old fashioned mechanical
one, you would probably have measured 25 degrees and had no worries to begin
with!).
Good luck!
Regards,
Svein
A225 - now in Norway
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| Subject: | Re: Choke cable termination |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Phil Tait" <phil@archwise.co.uk>
Paul
Europa supplied the 2 No screw lugs as part of my firewall forward kit.
I have checked but there is no part No on the self seal bag.
Regards
Phil Tait
Tri-Gear #551
-------Original Message-------
From: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Europa-List: Choke cable termination
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia
net>
Hi all,
I am searching for the hardware that secures the choke cable on to the
carburetor. Can anyone tell me if its Rotax supplied or Europa supplied and
what it looks like.
Thanks, Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Choke cable termination |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am searching for the hardware that secures the choke cable on to the
> carburetor. Can anyone tell me if its Rotax supplied or Europa supplied and
> what it looks like.
Normally called "solderless nipples", very crude !
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, EGSG (Stapleford)
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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| Subject: | Re: Air Intake location for the 912S |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>I have trimmed and completed sanding all other openings on the cowling
except the naca vent at the top of the cowl for the 912 intake. Wondering if
any rain while sitting on the ramp may sneak into it. Have others directed
air intake from the sides or other areas using the 912S?<
On the few occasions I have parked the aircraft in rain I use a cover which
covers the fuselage back as far as behind the doors. This prevents rain
getting in and also protects against the sun in hot weather. Also it seems
that it tends to put off potential thieves although this is obviously not
much of a barrier. What is out of sight tends to reduce temptation.
Nigel Charles
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
I have a couple of questions regarding the engine sensors for the EIS.
EHT. The Rotax has a sleeves with a nipple welded onto each exhaust pipe, however
Grand Rapids supply a probe with a hose clip. Should I use this or is there
a sensor that fits into the nipple.
CHT. Rotax has a sensor on at the front of the engine, but Grand Rapids supply
two sensors that fits under the head bolts. What have people been doing here.
Coolant temperature. Rotax provide no means for measuring this. The EIS has a
coolant input but no sensor supplied. I'd be interested in knowing what folks
have done. One thought was to re use this input as an air box temperature input.
Thanks, Paul
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stills" <astills785@earthlink.net>
Svein,
you are quite correct.Annex -E page 4 in the back of the book states 25-27
Deg.s max. I will have to look those over more closely as now I have to do
like you and "close up the TOOO long travel hole.
Al Stills
A095
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
Subject: SV: Europa-List: Flap Travel
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen"
<sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
>
> Alan,
>
> Your message stated that you are expecting 30 degrees of flap. Actually,
on
> the trigear the max. flap setting shall be between 25 and 27 degrees, ref.
> Annex E, page 4 (in my trigear manual, which is Issue 1, 30 May 1998).
You
> may have been mislead by the instruction in chapter 28, step 2, to mark
the
> slots in the fuselage sides to approx. 30 degrees down, and subsequent
> instruction to cut the slot to allow full movement of the cross-tube
(which
> in my case meant to approx. 32 degrees before the stopper on the flap
hinge
> arm limited it (I had not read Annex E at that time!). For those not yet
at
> this stage: Mark your manual re. this, so you avoid cutting the slot too
> far down and having to close it up with bid and flox, as I had to do!
>
> My actuator has the same travel as yours - 98.0 mm or just shy of 3 7/8
> inches - which gives me a flap deflection of 25.7 degrees.
>
> With 24.5 degrees, and assuming everything else is fine, you may ask
Europa
> whether this is acceptable - my guess is that it will be OK (I assume you
> are using a digital protractor. Had you used an old fashioned mechanical
> one, you would probably have measured 25 degrees and had no worries to
begin
> with!).
>
> Good luck!
>
> Regards,
> Svein
> A225 - now in Norway
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wingtip strobe wires, what's the best place to exit the |
fuse?
--> Europa-List message posted by: John & Paddy Wigney <johnwigney@worldnet.att.net>
what's the best place to exit the fuse?
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Been working on the baggage bay supports lately and the time has come to mount
the wingtip strobe power supply and route the feed wires out the sides of the
fuselage.
Question for those who've come before me: Where is the best place for the wires
to exit the sides of the fuselage? My plan is to run the feed wires from the
power supply, located on one of the inner baggage bay supports, then route the
wires through the center tunnel and exiting near the CS15 bracket. I'm planning
to install Molex plugs so the wires can be disconnected when the wings are
removed. It appears that just behind the CS15 bracket at the bottom corner there
is enough room between the bracket and the gas tank for the wire to exit without
the potential of fouling the aileron linkage, yet still being within the
profile of the wing. Comments?
Regards, John Lawton Dunlap, TN A-245
Hi John,
I have various nav light/strobe and NAV antenna wiring from my wings plus the usual
pitot/static of course. I chose to route all the wiring and p/s from the
rear to the front of the spar at the wing root. If you are careful, there is enough
room in the apex between the fairing and the spar. P clips can be used to
secure. I then went through the fuselage side via quick connects into some conduit
on the inside of the cockpit. I find that it is relatively easy to make
the connections at this position and to ensure there are no pinch points when
the wings are installed. You may find it more difficult if the routing is behind
the spar; the aileron linkage and the fuel tank make it more awkward in my
opinion.
Cheers, John
N262WF, Mono XS
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 02/01/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>John,
>My acutator was set with the full extension and then mounted. I lack a full
>5 deg from 30. Nothing is hanging up in the travel. I'm topping out against
>the CM also. Would you please measure how much travel your actuator has.
>Al Stills
Does the full up position give you a true full up? the top surface should
be straight or better, slightly reflexed. This will give you a better cruise.
The profile for flap setting given in the plans is not as accurate as it
might be.
Graham
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| Subject: | Re: Air Intake location for the 912S |
--> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Jeff,
Have you considered using the 914 air inlet on the lower stbd
side?? I used it for the very reason you mentioned. I ran a 2-?1/8" or
2-1/4" red scat tube from the area. It matches the size of the 914 air
filter. I utilized the 914 fabricated ?bracket? that closes off the area
to let air get into the turbo. I blanked the opening for the turbo and
welded an aluminum tube on the top rear inside of the what ever you call
the 90 degree aluminum formed piece that is bolted to the fire wall. It
has the black fabric edges applied so it will seal off the area when the
cowling is bolted in place. I "kicked" the bottom of the tube such that
it pointed toward the center of the area. Then I used the 914 air filter
on that end. I put my air temp. sensor also in that area. This way I
add no more openings in the cowl. See my attachment on this. The white
wire is the temp sensor. The aluminum bowl is the bottom of the oil
tank. I wanted it to protrude into the area to provide additional
cooling of the oil. I think I could have eliminated that as it runs to
cool in flight. In the background is my custom air duct for the water
radiator (only) with the levers and push rods to actuate the cooling
flap. Just some thoughts you might consider,
Jim Nelson
N15JN
On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 21:38:59 -0500 Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net> writes:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
>
> I have trimmed and completed sanding all other openings on the
> cowling
> except the naca vent at the top of the cowl for the 912 intake.
> Wondering if
> any rain while sitting on the ramp may sneak into it. Have others
> directed
> air intake from the sides or other areas using the 912S?
>
> Jeff
> A258
> Airframe almost complete, engine mounted and still considering
> panel
> options.
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stills" <astills785@earthlink.net>
Graham,
My flaps are full up when the rod is against the CM. There is no more travel
that can be obtained both at the CM or the flaps and are straight. Svein
Johnson did point out that in the annex E (in the back of the build manual)
page 4 it shows the tri-gear range of flap motion to be from 25 deg to 27
deg maximum so I guess I was looking for the wrong amount of flaps.for the
tri-gear.
Al Stills
A095
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| Subject: | Re: EIS Questions |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
Paul
Grand Rapids has an EGT probe that screws into the welded boss on the exhaust pipe.
I just recently ordered a replacement for one of mine that went bad.
The 914 has two CHT sensors. One is installed on one of the front cylinders, the
other is installed on the other side of the engine on one of the rear cylinders.
I forget which is which. These are the sensors I used. Dealers choice on
which
way to go.
The water jacket surrounds the area where the Rotax supplied CHT sensor are installed.
On the ground while taxing if the CHT gets to about 240-250 degrees F,
I know that its going to dump some water in the overflow bottle, at this point
I am
indirectly seeing coolant temp. In the air I'm seeing normal cylinder head temp.
I do not have a separate sensor to measure coolant temp. Since the cylinder
heads are water cooled I would think that a sensors installed under a bolt head
would
show about the same temperatures as the installed Rotax sensors.
The air box temp would be a good thing.
In the 914, Rotax set the TCU so that at 165 degrees F in the airbox, the TCU will
retard the timing to prevent detonation (spark knock) This is one reason
inter coolers are installed, so that the airbox temp's do not each the threshold.
Jim Brown
N398JB
Paul McAllister wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have a couple of questions regarding the engine sensors for the EIS.
>
> EHT. The Rotax has a sleeves with a nipple welded onto each exhaust pipe, however
Grand Rapids supply a probe with a hose clip. Should I use this or is there
a sensor that fits into the nipple.
>
> CHT. Rotax has a sensor on at the front of the engine, but Grand Rapids supply
two sensors that fits under the head bolts. What have people been doing here.
>
> Coolant temperature. Rotax provide no means for measuring this. The EIS has
a coolant input but no sensor supplied. I'd be interested in knowing what folks
have done. One thought was to re use this input as an air box temperature
input.
>
> Thanks, Paul
>
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| Subject: | Colson Outrigger Wheels |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
I finally got around to installing Colson 4" x 4.25" Gray Flat profile Hi-Tech
Performa. They have ball Bearings and a 3/8 hole. They are not sealed ball bearings.
I forget who I told I would report to when I figured out how to make a spacer/dirt
shield for the bearings.
I used 18-8 SS 3/8-24 2.5 length Hex cap screws. McMaster PN 92198A361
www.mcmaster.com
and 18-8 thin Nylon Insert Locknuts McMaster PN 90101A245
I needed to drill outrigger forks to 3/8 hole.
I made the spacers out of 1.25 inch aluminium bar.
Dimensions of spacer:
1.010" OD
3/8 hole through center.
Pocket .165" deep and .935 ID
I actual made the Pocket depth ~.175, and fit exact to wheels by sneaking off a
few thousands at a time.
The seal is going to keep out dirt pretty good.
Overall completed weight is probably very similar to the stock, perhaps a bit lighter.
Ron Parigoris
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
Paul, I just looked at the EGT probes (not yet installed) that came with my
EIS and they fit in the 914 exhaust fittings. I asked GRT about bending one
for cowling clearance and they said OK up to 90 deg. Anyone know where I
obtain an airbox temp probe, 1/8"npt, for the 914?
Sounds like maybe you need to exchange your EGT's Paul?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Brown
Subject: Re: Europa-List: EIS Questions
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
Paul
Grand Rapids has an EGT probe that screws into the welded boss on the
exhaust pipe. I just recently ordered a replacement for one of mine that
went bad.
The 914 has two CHT sensors. One is installed on one of the front cylinders,
the other is installed on the other side of the engine on one of the rear
cylinders. I forget which is which. These are the sensors I used. Dealers
choice on which
way to go.
The water jacket surrounds the area where the Rotax supplied CHT sensor are
installed. On the ground while taxing if the CHT gets to about 240-250
degrees F, I know that its going to dump some water in the overflow bottle,
at this point I am
indirectly seeing coolant temp. In the air I'm seeing normal cylinder head
temp. I do not have a separate sensor to measure coolant temp. Since the
cylinder heads are water cooled I would think that a sensors installed under
a bolt head would
show about the same temperatures as the installed Rotax sensors.
The air box temp would be a good thing.
In the 914, Rotax set the TCU so that at 165 degrees F in the airbox, the
TCU will retard the timing to prevent detonation (spark knock) This is one
reason inter coolers are installed, so that the airbox temp's do not each
the threshold.
Jim Brown
N398JB
Paul McAllister wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have a couple of questions regarding the engine sensors for the EIS.
>
> EHT. The Rotax has a sleeves with a nipple welded onto each exhaust pipe,
however Grand Rapids supply a probe with a hose clip. Should I use this or
is there a sensor that fits into the nipple.
>
> CHT. Rotax has a sensor on at the front of the engine, but Grand Rapids
supply two sensors that fits under the head bolts. What have people been
doing here.
>
> Coolant temperature. Rotax provide no means for measuring this. The EIS
has a coolant input but no sensor supplied. I'd be interested in knowing
what folks have done. One thought was to re use this input as an air box
temperature input.
>
> Thanks, Paul
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 Carburettor Heat Kit |
01/03/2004 10:58:38 PM,
Serialize complete at 01/03/2004 10:58:38 PM
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
I am told that the Skydrive does require the Rectangular airbox to
be moved back a fraction of an inch
Ira N224XS
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