Today's Message Index:
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1. 04:30 AM - UK Insurance (Richard Holder)
2. 05:56 AM - G-FIZY Website (Gerry Holland)
3. 07:46 AM - Today's Pilot magazine (UK) (David Corbett)
4. 08:29 AM - Re: Today's Pilot magazine (UK) (Garry Stout)
5. 09:07 AM - Re: Today's Pilot magazine (UK) (Paul Mansfield)
6. 10:51 AM - Re: Manifold pressure gauge plumbing (Karel Vranken)
7. 11:44 AM - Re: Expanding brake fluid? (Ami McFadyean)
8. 11:44 AM - Re: Safe Heating Sources. (Ami McFadyean)
9. 01:29 PM - Re: Thruxton Drop of the Hat Fly In (Pete Lawless)
10. 01:44 PM - Europa for sale (Michael Dolphin)
11. 02:11 PM - Re: Today's Pilot magazine (UK) (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
12. 02:27 PM - Re: Thruxton Drop of the Hat Fly In (RMRRick@aol.com)
13. 02:30 PM - drip trays and stuff (Paul Stewart)
14. 02:41 PM - Re: UK Insurance (Dave Simpson)
15. 03:47 PM - Re: Today's Pilot magazine (UK) (Garry Stout)
16. 06:17 PM - Source for pressure transducers (Paul McAllister)
17. 06:41 PM - Baggage Bay Questions (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
18. 06:56 PM - Re: Baggage Bay Questions (Cliff Shaw)
19. 07:01 PM - Re: Baggage Bay Questions (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
20. 07:12 PM - Re: Source for pressure transducers (Steve Hagar)
21. 07:26 PM - Re: Today's Pilot magazine (UK) (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
22. 09:16 PM - Re: drip trays and stuff (Tony Krzyzewski)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Hi folks
Last year, my first year insuring the Europa, Jennings gave me the best
quote and got my business.
Now, a year without claims later, Jennings' quote is about the same as last
year, but Traffords are undercutting it by 25% !
There is a suggestion that Traffords might hit me with a major increase for
the subsequent year. Does anyone have any experience of Traffords ? Do they
do loss-leaders for an initial year and then hit with a major increase in a
second year ? (All assuming no claims made)
I know Traffords made a concerted effort by sending out proposal forms to
lots of Europa people (I got one about 6 months ago).
Email me direct if you wish, or on the List.
Thanks
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, EGSG (Stapleford)
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
I have switched on a rather hurried Website production to share with the
Europa world.
A Mk II version will be started soon to catalogue pictures in chronological
order. The present format just about epitomises the enjoyable yet chaotic
way I have approached the build.
Here it is;
http://web.onetel.net.uk/~gnholland
Regards
Gerry
Gerry Holland
Europa 384 G-FIZY
Trigear with 912 and Arplast CS Prop.
Fuselage being Painted, Wings ready to paint, Flying surfaces painted
Airframe Wiring complete, Full Size Panel 50% done . Includes Dynon EFIS,
KMD 150,
Icom A-200 and SL70 Transponder. AoA Fitted.
Activity on Panel completion, Design and build Heater Unit.
+44 7808 402404
gnholland@onetel.com
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| Subject: | Today's Pilot magazine (UK) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Corbett" <David.Corbett@fwi.co.uk>
There is an excellent article "Owning and Operating a Europa Trigear" in the February
edition of Today's Pilot. Be sure to get a copy before they are all sold
out!
David
G-BZAM
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Today's Pilot magazine (UK) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Garry Stout" <garrys@tampabay.rr.com>
Is "Today's Pilot" a UK magazine? I don't believe I've seen it here in the
US.
Garry Stout
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Corbett" <David.Corbett@fwi.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Today's Pilot magazine (UK)
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Corbett"
<David.Corbett@fwi.co.uk>
>
> There is an excellent article "Owning and Operating a Europa Trigear" in
the February edition of Today's Pilot. Be sure to get a copy before they are
all sold out!
>
> David
> G-BZAM
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Today's Pilot magazine (UK) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul Mansfield" <m@nsfield.screaming.net>
Yep - http://www.todayspilot.co.uk/
http://www.todayspilot.co.uk/current_issue/nextmonth.html for a preview of
the article David mentioned.
Paul
383 Mono XS
Wings & tail done, CM in.
<snip>
Is "Today's Pilot" a UK magazine? I don't believe I've seen it here in the
US.
Garry Stout
<snip>
>
> There is an excellent article "Owning and Operating a Europa Trigear"
> in the February edition of Today's Pilot. Be sure to get a copy before
they are all sold out!
>
> David
> G-BZAM
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| Subject: | Manifold pressure gauge plumbing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Karel Vranken" <karelvranken@hotmail.com>
Paul,
In six days they were able to send you the MPG plumbing kit, week-end
included. I suppose that you ordered in Lakeland because I am still waiting
since 21th of july when I ordered for in the UK stores. Unless repeatedly
e-mails and letters and the keeping up the company's image by Andy I am
still waiting. I hope that this happy event for you may awake the attention
on my case.
Karel Vranken
Belgium # 447 mono XS , finishing paintings
>From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Europa-List: Manifold pressure gauge plumbing
>Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:02:57 -0600
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
><paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
>Hi all,
>
>I just received the kit from Europa today to connect up my manifold
>pressure gauge. I have just finished connecting it up and I must say for
>those who have a need to penetrate the firewall this is the way to do it.
>The kit had everything needed, it was quick to install and looks pretty
>neat.
>
>Paul
>
>
Jij geeft, wij verdubbelen. Steun Simon & Odil !
http://www.msn.be/simonodil/
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| Subject: | Re: Expanding brake fluid? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Ditto.
Only the use of silicone fluid would explain why my brakes are so spongy!
That plus the use of nylon brake pipes.
The sponginess is actually a good thing as it desensitises the brakes;
they'd be too sharp otherwise.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Expanding brake fluid?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube"
<bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
>
> Just a note regarding the Silicone brake fluid. We have used Dot 5 with
the
> new finger brake system for 4 years in the tri-gear and in the
conventional
> gear with Cleveland Brakes with never a problem. There may be technical
> issues with it as there is with just about everything we do but I can tell
> you that it works and so far has worked well.
>
> All the best,
> Bob Berube A166BB Conventional
> Flight Crafters
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Expanding brake fluid?
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips"
> <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Expanding brake fluid?
> >
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman"
<RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
> > >
> > > As you probably can guess, my choice was silicone brake fluid, for its
> > clear
> > > advantages. Most of your points are strictly academic, and apply more
> to
> > > automotive rather than aviation systems:
> > >
> > >
> > Rob you are certainly entitled to your opinion, that's why this forum is
> > such a great way to exchange ideas,
> > But Automotive or aviation they are still braking systems,
> > The latest finger brakes have a separate reservoir that is vented to
> > atmosphere, This is the system i am using,
> > There are no major motor manufacturer or brake supplier (lockheed,
> > girling.bendix.ATE) that will indorse silicone,
> > admittingly that's this side of the pond, It may be different your
side,
> >
> > The irony is unless i can reseal either the callipers or master
cylinder,
> I
> > will end up using silicone,
> >
> > But LIFE is a COMPROMISE!!!
> >
> > best regards
> >
> > Ivor phillips
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Safe Heating Sources. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
I would argue that the 'S' is a more efficient engine than the 80hp version
(its higher compression ratio at least would makes it so), although the
fuel-burn of 912 and 912s Europas when run alongside one another over large
distances is too close to call.
So the 's' only produces more heat if it is run at higher power outputs, in
comparison to the 80hp version.
Duncan McF
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Safe Heating Sources.
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
>
> Jeff,
> I shall report back with the outcome soon. My understanding is, that the
> extra heat produced by the 912S, not a lot of heat is needed to make it
> comfortable.
> Summer ventilation is more of a problem, in particular, removing air from
> the cabin to create a flow.
> Cheers,
> Tim
> Tim Ward
> 12 Waiwetu Street,
> Fendalton,
> Christchurch, 8005
> New Zealand.
> Ph 0064 3 3515166
> ward.t@xtra.co.nz
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Roberts" <jeff@rmmm.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Safe Heating Sources.
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
> >
> > on 1/12/04 8:40 PM, ward.t@xtra.co.nz at ward.t@xtra.co.nz wrote:
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
> > >
> > > Jeff,
> > > That is what I have set up.In Summer the air intake is through a hole
> in
> > > the front bottom cowling opposite the hole for the Air Shroud (912S).
> > > Directed by 2" scant tubing through the firewall via an on/off shut
off
> flap
> > > into a plenum chamber and distributed to 2 eyeball vents in the cabin
as
> > > well as a demist.
> > > In winter, the scant tube is repositioned to behind the port radiator
> for
> > > warm air. Have not tested it out yet, should be soon!!!!!famous last
> words
> > > Tim Ward
> > > 12 Waiwetu Street,
> > > Fendalton,
> > > Christchurch, 8005
> > > New Zealand.
> > > Ph 0064 3 3515166
> > > ward.t@xtra.co.nz
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jeff Roberts" <jeff@rmmm.net>
> > > To: "Matronics Lists" <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Europa-List: Safe Heating Sources.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > >>
> > Thanks for the response guys. Looks like I was headed in the right
> > direction.
> > Jeff
> > A258
> > Do not archive.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Thruxton Drop of the Hat Fly In |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
Rick
Europas love going round and round on the ground - sounds like an ideal
venue!
Regards
Pete
---
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Dolphin" <mikedolphin978@hotmail.com>
I'm re-posting this as not sure I did it right first time:
My lovely EUROPA Classic Mono is reluctantly going up for sale.
It has a ROTAX 912 driving a Warp Drive Ground adjustable prop. It's in
superb condition and has 390 hours on the clock.
The panel is very comprehensive with Garmin GPS100, Electric A.I and D.I.,
Icom A200 radio and a Narco Mode C txpdr.
Very light at only 777 lbs it flies at a genuine 120 kts in the cruise.
Looking for offers around GBP 35,000
Contact Mike here, or try (44) 07919 388492
Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection
http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband
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| Subject: | Re: Today's Pilot magazine (UK) |
01/13/2004 05:11:17 PM,
Serialize complete at 01/13/2004 05:11:17 PM
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
Hi Garry,
Today's Pilot is a UK mag, in the US Borders and some Barnes&Nobles carry
them.
Will be down your way at the end of Jan for A/W inspection!!
Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | Re: Thruxton Drop of the Hat Fly In |
--> Europa-List message posted by: RMRRick@aol.com
In a message dated 13/01/2004 21:30:05 GMT Standard Time, pete@lawless.info
writes:
> pete@lawless.info
Thanks for that Pete!
Do you think you'll make Thursday or Friday?
Regards
Rick
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| Subject: | drip trays and stuff |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
My 914 carbs both have what appear to be drip trays beneath them with
drain holes leading to a pipe nipple. I am presuming these should indeed
have piping taking any (?) fuel away from the exhaust below them. There
is no mention of what to do in the engine installation manual - anyone
enlighten me? There is a similar fitting on the port underside of the
airbox with a similar lack of instructions. Lastly, anyone using the
NPT tapping in the airbox to measure airbox temp? If so is this
something folk think is woth doing and what have been used for temp probes?
Regards
Paul Stewart #432
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Dave Simpson <dave_simpson@londonweb.net>
Most insurance companies do this, not just the aviation ones. This often
makes it worth your while to place your insurance with a new company each
year. This way you gain the benefit of new client discount. The insurance
companies assume that most people are too lazy to ask for new quotes on
renewal, and pay the premium asked - and apparently they're right!
Another thing worth trying is a bit of horse trading. "Can you beat ?XXX?"
is always a question worth asking, where XXX is the last quote you got (or
may be a bit less)
Dave Simpson
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Holder [SMTP:rholder@avnet.co.uk]
Subject: Europa-List: UK Insurance
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Hi folks
Last year, my first year insuring the Europa, Jennings gave me the best
quote and got my business.
Now, a year without claims later, Jennings' quote is about the same as last
year, but Traffords are undercutting it by 25% !
There is a suggestion that Traffords might hit me with a major increase for
the subsequent year. Does anyone have any experience of Traffords ? Do they
do loss-leaders for an initial year and then hit with a major increase in a
second year ? (All assuming no claims made)
I know Traffords made a concerted effort by sending out proposal forms to
lots of Europa people (I got one about 6 months ago).
Email me direct if you wish, or on the List.
Thanks
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, EGSG (Stapleford)
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
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| Subject: | Re: Today's Pilot magazine (UK) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Garry Stout" <garrys@tampabay.rr.com>
Ira,
Great news! I'm so anxious to see your bird take to the air! Let me know
when you get into town.
Garry
----- Original Message -----
From: <irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Today's Pilot magazine (UK)
> --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
>
> Hi Garry,
>
> Today's Pilot is a UK mag, in the US Borders and some Barnes&Nobles carry
> them.
>
> Will be down your way at the end of Jan for A/W inspection!!
>
> Ira N224XS
>
>
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| Subject: | Source for pressure transducers |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
I might do some experimenting I the near future to see if I can measure the fuel
pressure on a 914. The idea was to have two transducers, one the air-box and
the other on the fuel line and measure the difference.
I am looking for a source of transducers, one of them will have to be fuel resistant,
and I would prefer them to have a 1/8" thread. Does anyone has a web link(s)
so I can go check out what is available.
Thanks, Paul
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| Subject: | Baggage Bay Questions |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Good Day All,
I am putting in the baggage bay and have a couple of quick questions for
those that have gone before.
1) Is the baggage bay supposed to be jammed into the bottom of the canoe? Or
is it supposed to have the edges sanded down until it just fits the proper
place in the canoe? As it is, it seems to push the sides out a little too much
for my senses.
2) Is the floor of the baggage bay supposed to be level with the door sill or
tilted up in the back so it is level with the bottom skin?
Thanks in advance for the knowledge that will calm the nerves.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
CM, landing gear frame, & rudder pedals with cables installed. Working on
baggage bay.
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage Bay Questions |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Mike
I fit mine so it "looked good". The floor is nearly level and I did trim off
the edges to get it to NOT flare out the sides.
Remember; when you do go to bond it in, the "D" bulkhead is to get two
layers of BID on both the front and back sides. ( I hated the back side job)
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds WA 98020
(425) 776-5555
N229WC "Wile E Coyote"
New Email:" flyinggpa@comcast.net "
----- Original Message -----
From: <DuaneFamly@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Baggage Bay Questions
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
>
> Good Day All,
>
> I am putting in the baggage bay and have a couple of quick questions for
> those that have gone before.
>
> 1) Is the baggage bay supposed to be jammed into the bottom of the canoe?
Or
> is it supposed to have the edges sanded down until it just fits the proper
> place in the canoe? As it is, it seems to push the sides out a little too
much
> for my senses.
> 2) Is the floor of the baggage bay supposed to be level with the door sill
or
> tilted up in the back so it is level with the bottom skin?
>
> Thanks in advance for the knowledge that will calm the nerves.
>
>
> Mike Duane A207
> Redding, California
> XS Conventional Gear
> CM, landing gear frame, & rudder pedals with cables installed. Working on
> baggage bay.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage Bay Questions |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Thanks, Cliff. That took almost five minutes to get an answer. ;-) The worth
of this forum is immeasurable.
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Source for pressure transducers |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Paul:
VDO makes the transducers with a pipe thread fitting. They are in the
Lockwood Aviation catalog.
Steve Hagar
A143
Mesa AZ
Fabricating a trailer for the beast to take the plane somewhere I can fire
up the engine.
> [Original Message]
> From: Paul McAllister <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 1/13/04 7:16:52 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: Source for pressure transducers
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I might do some experimenting I the near future to see if I can measure
the fuel pressure on a 914. The idea was to have two transducers, one the
air-box and the other on the fuel line and measure the difference.
>
> I am looking for a source of transducers, one of them will have to be
fuel resistant, and I would prefer them to have a 1/8" thread. Does anyone
has a web link(s) so I can go check out what is available.
>
> Thanks, Paul
>
>
>
>
>
--- Steve Hagar
--- hagargs@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: Today's Pilot magazine (UK) |
01/13/2004 10:25:55 PM,
Serialize complete at 01/13/2004 10:25:55 PM
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
A little followup for our US bretheren. I just checked our
local Borders and they still have January on the shelf.
Could one of our UK colleagues spill the beans and give us
a synopsis?
Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | drip trays and stuff |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>>>My 914 carbs both have what appear to be drip trays beneath them with
drain holes leading to a pipe nipple. I am presuming these should indeed
have piping taking any (?) fuel away from the exhaust below them.
The Rotax installation manual supplied with the engine states that they must be
drained away. I fed lines down the side of the radiator support.
>>> There is a similar fitting on the port underside of the
airbox with a similar lack of instructions.
Ditto.
>>>> Lastly, anyone using the
NPT tapping in the airbox to measure airbox temp?
Yes. I used a spare input into my engine management system.
Tony
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