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1. 05:21 AM - Re: ELT Questions (Kevin Klinefelter)
2. 06:25 AM - Re: ELT Questions (n3eu@comcast.net)
3. 06:55 AM - Use Dot 5 Fluid For Tri-Gear Hand Brakes (Europa Aircraft)
4. 08:37 AM - Carb Heat (Peter Davis)
5. 09:17 AM - Reflexed Flaps (Garry Stout)
6. 09:23 AM - Re: Carb Heat (Troy Maynor)
7. 09:50 AM - Re: Reflexed Flaps (Dj Merrill)
8. 09:50 AM - Re: Carb Heat (Peter Davis)
9. 10:13 AM - Re: Carb Heat (Peter Davis)
10. 10:31 AM - Re: Reflexed Flaps (Dj Merrill)
11. 11:20 AM - Re: ELT Questions (Ami McFadyean)
12. 11:23 AM - Re: Carb Heat (Troy Maynor)
13. 11:38 AM - Re: ELT Questions (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
14. 12:58 PM - Electric Flap Drive Pix? (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
15. 01:09 PM - Re: Reflexed Flaps (n3eu@comcast.net)
16. 01:36 PM - Re: ELT Questions (James H Nelson)
17. 01:41 PM - Re: Re flexed Flaps (James H Nelson)
18. 02:26 PM - Re: Carb Heat (Christine and Peter Timm)
19. 02:34 PM - Re: ELT Questions (Rob Housman)
20. 02:47 PM - Re: ELT Questions (Kingsley Hurst)
21. 03:08 PM - Re: Reflexed Flaps (Alex Kaarsberg)
22. 09:42 PM - Re: ELT Questions/Conventional gear? (Kevin Klinefelter)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
Hi,
I cant answer your antennae question. But was thinking about the ELT
location. For weight & balance, I was thinking of waiting on deciding where
to put this thing. If CG ends up forward of optimal, you could mount the ELT
back as far as you want? Even way back over the tail wheel spring? Beats
using lead.
With the conventional gear, CG must move forward?
Kevin
Mono 914
Airframe complete, filling and sanding
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
DuaneFamly@aol.com
Subject: Europa-List: ELT Questions
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Good day All,
I am presently looking to mount my Amer-King AK-450 ELT under the port side
baggage bay as I have seen others do. One person's website photos showed the
ELT antennae mounted horizontally across the baggage bay beneath the "D"
window.
But upon reading the instructions that came with my ELT, it says that the
antennae must be mounted within 20 degrees of vertical when the aircraft is
in a
normal flight attitude. Has something changed? Also they want a minimum 36
inch diameter ground plane around the base of the antennae. What have others
done
to fulfill this specification?
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
CM & rudder pedals with cables installed. Working on tailwheel and baggage
bay. Conventional Landing gear might be the next thing to be installed.
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| Subject: | Re: ELT Questions |
--> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
> I cant answer your antennae question. But was thinking about the ELT
> location. For weight & balance, I was thinking of waiting on deciding where
> to put this thing. If CG ends up forward of optimal, you could mount the ELT
> back as far as you want? Even way back over the tail wheel spring? Beats
> using lead.
>
> With the conventional gear, CG must move forward?
>
> Kevin
Sure, except the most practical consideration should be ease of access for battery
replacement. Statistically, they're about as useful as a piece of lead, but
to the extent the ELT would be handy someday, you need even easier access (you
could be injured) for activation should it not, or panel switch wiring be
severed. If uninjured, you may want to remove it (without having tools to tear
fiberglass or remove a panel*) and elect to start hiking, after constructing
the big arrow.
Regards,
Fred F.
*On some A/C access to ELT is via external metal panel, most of whose screw holes
are slotted. Just pry with a twig and rip it open.
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| Subject: | Use Dot 5 Fluid For Tri-Gear Hand Brakes |
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
Hi All,
There has been some confusion about the proper brake fluid for the Tri-Gear
hand brake cylinders sold in the US office for the last few years, now also
available from the UK office. The only fluid compatible with this system is
DOT 5. If you have aviation fluid, or DOT 3/4 installed then please drain
the system, flush and fill with DOT 5. Use of any other fluid will cause
the seals to fail.
If you are having difficulty bleeding the brakes with Dot 5, I have also
been able to get the air out by bleeding from the top down.
Hope that helps!
John Hurst
Europa Aircraft
Lakeland, FL
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Davis" <pm.davis@ntlworld.com>
Hi all,
Installation - 80hp 912 in 'Classic' airframe with cold air plenum. Has
anyone worked up a carb hot air system taking warm under-cowl air into the
carbs when required at the same time as blocking off the cold air delivery
through the air filter?
I am working on such a system - subjec to PFA approval - but don't want to
re-invent the wheel if someone has already gone down this path.
I know it sounds like I'm reverting to 40s technology but I don't have room
for the Rotax system (only 10mm between rear of air box and firewall) and
anyway, I love a challenge!
Regards,
Peter
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Garry Stout" <garrys@tampabay.rr.com>
I struck up a conversation this morning with the owner of a beautiful
Lancair 320. With a Lycoming 320 engine, he cruises at 75% power at 7,500
feet, at 195 KNOTS! I asked him about his speed "tricks" and he said that
one of the things he did was to "reflex" the flaps to 10 degrees UP when
fully retracted. He said he gained about 10 knots of speed just by doing
that.....versus the zero degrees normal retracted position. The theory is
that reflexed flaps reduce wing drag dramatically. Have any Europa fliers
tried this? If so, what was your result? Are there any downsides or risks
to trying this? Comments please.
Garry Stout
914 trigear
320 hours & climbing
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Davis" <pm.davis@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Carb Heat
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Davis" <pm.davis@ntlworld.com>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Installation - 80hp 912 in 'Classic' airframe with cold air plenum. Has
> anyone worked up a carb hot air system taking warm under-cowl air into the
> carbs when required at the same time as blocking off the cold air delivery
> through the air filter?
>
> I am working on such a system - subjec to PFA approval - but don't want to
> re-invent the wheel if someone has already gone down this path.
>
> I know it sounds like I'm reverting to 40s technology but I don't have
room
> for the Rotax system (only 10mm between rear of air box and firewall) and
> anyway, I love a challenge!
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter
>
> mailto:pm.davis@ntlworld.com
>
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> viruses.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
Peter,
I have the same engine setup as you mention (except mine is 912S Classic). I
was thinking I would just barely have room for the Skydrive hot water
system. Is this the one you mean or the Rotax electric one?
Troy Maynor
N120EU Monowheel Classic
Left to finish:
Paint,interior,engine install, wiring.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Peter Davis
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 11:37 AM
> To: Europa-List
> Subject: Europa-List: Carb Heat
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Davis" <pm.davis@ntlworld.com>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Installation - 80hp 912 in 'Classic' airframe with cold air plenum. Has
> anyone worked up a carb hot air system taking warm under-cowl air into the
> carbs when required at the same time as blocking off the cold air delivery
> through the air filter?
>
> I am working on such a system - subjec to PFA approval - but don't want to
> re-invent the wheel if someone has already gone down this path.
>
> I know it sounds like I'm reverting to 40s technology but I don't
> have room
> for the Rotax system (only 10mm between rear of air box and firewall) and
> anyway, I love a challenge!
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter
>
> mailto:pm.davis@ntlworld.com
>
> This message has been scanned by Norton Internet Security for all known
> viruses.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Reflexed Flaps |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
On Thu, 2004-01-22 at 12:17, Garry Stout wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Garry Stout" <garrys@tampabay.rr.com>
>
> I struck up a conversation this morning with the owner of a beautiful
> Lancair 320. With a Lycoming 320 engine, he cruises at 75% power at 7,500
> feet, at 195 KNOTS! I asked him about his speed "tricks" and he said that
> one of the things he did was to "reflex" the flaps to 10 degrees UP when
> fully retracted. He said he gained about 10 knots of speed just by doing
> that.....versus the zero degrees normal retracted position. The theory is
> that reflexed flaps reduce wing drag dramatically. Have any Europa fliers
> tried this? If so, what was your result? Are there any downsides or risks
> to trying this? Comments please.
-Dj
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Davis" <pm.davis@ntlworld.com>
Hi Troy,
I was meaning the Skydrive one which I have been told shunts the carbs back
approx. 20mm. I was not aware that Rotax did an electric one. This could be
interesting, although I wonder how much current it pulls. I believe the
standard generator produces 19 amps DC which is not very much but an
additional external alternator is available to produce 45 amps AC current.
More cost and even less space.
However, I will have to look into the electric one. Back to the web.
Regards,
Peter
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Troy Maynor
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Carb Heat
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
Peter,
I have the same engine setup as you mention (except mine is 912S Classic). I
was thinking I would just barely have room for the Skydrive hot water
system. Is this the one you mean or the Rotax electric one?
Troy Maynor
N120EU Monowheel Classic
Left to finish:
Paint,interior,engine install, wiring.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Peter Davis
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 11:37 AM
> To: Europa-List
> Subject: Europa-List: Carb Heat
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Davis" <pm.davis@ntlworld.com>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Installation - 80hp 912 in 'Classic' airframe with cold air plenum. Has
> anyone worked up a carb hot air system taking warm under-cowl air into the
> carbs when required at the same time as blocking off the cold air delivery
> through the air filter?
>
> I am working on such a system - subjec to PFA approval - but don't want to
> re-invent the wheel if someone has already gone down this path.
>
> I know it sounds like I'm reverting to 40s technology but I don't
> have room
> for the Rotax system (only 10mm between rear of air box and firewall) and
> anyway, I love a challenge!
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter
>
> mailto:pm.davis@ntlworld.com
>
> This message has been scanned by Norton Internet Security for all known
> viruses.
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Davis" <pm.davis@ntlworld.com>
Hi again Troy,
I've just spoken to Conrad Beale (Mr. Rotax in UK and son of Skydrive Nigel
Beale) and he has not heard of an electric carb heat for the 914 series. He
also said that the external alternator I mentioned before would not fit a
Europa.
Regards,
Peter
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Peter Davis
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Carb Heat
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Davis" <pm.davis@ntlworld.com>
Hi Troy,
I was meaning the Skydrive one which I have been told shunts the carbs back
approx. 20mm. I was not aware that Rotax did an electric one. This could be
interesting, although I wonder how much current it pulls. I believe the
standard generator produces 19 amps DC which is not very much but an
additional external alternator is available to produce 45 amps AC current.
More cost and even less space.
However, I will have to look into the electric one. Back to the web.
Regards,
Peter
mailto:pm.davis@ntlworld.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Troy Maynor
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Carb Heat
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
Peter,
I have the same engine setup as you mention (except mine is 912S Classic). I
was thinking I would just barely have room for the Skydrive hot water
system. Is this the one you mean or the Rotax electric one?
Troy Maynor
N120EU Monowheel Classic
Left to finish:
Paint,interior,engine install, wiring.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Peter Davis
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 11:37 AM
> To: Europa-List
> Subject: Europa-List: Carb Heat
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Davis" <pm.davis@ntlworld.com>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Installation - 80hp 912 in 'Classic' airframe with cold air plenum. Has
> anyone worked up a carb hot air system taking warm under-cowl air into the
> carbs when required at the same time as blocking off the cold air delivery
> through the air filter?
>
> I am working on such a system - subjec to PFA approval - but don't want to
> re-invent the wheel if someone has already gone down this path.
>
> I know it sounds like I'm reverting to 40s technology but I don't
> have room
> for the Rotax system (only 10mm between rear of air box and firewall) and
> anyway, I love a challenge!
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter
>
> mailto:pm.davis@ntlworld.com
>
> This message has been scanned by Norton Internet Security for all known
> viruses.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Reflexed Flaps |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
On Thu, 2004-01-22 at 12:49, Dj Merrill wrote:
> He said he gained about 10 knots of speed just by doing
> > that.....versus the zero degrees normal retracted position. The theory is
> > that reflexed flaps reduce wing drag dramatically. Have any Europa fliers
> > tried this? If so, what was your result? Are there any downsides or risks
> > to trying this? Comments please.
This was supposed to say:
"For what its worth I've heard something similar on a Glasair."
Not sure why it came across blank unless I messed up... ;-)
-Dj
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| Subject: | Re: ELT Questions |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
>
> With the conventional gear, CG must move forward?
No!. It moves back, because it is lighter and more centred about the
axle-line.
Duncan McF.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
Peter and All,
Sorry, I had a brain fart. I was harkening back to the days of my 2-cycle
Rotax that you could put an electric one on that ran straight off the
lighting coil. CPS had (has?) it in thier catalog. Never actually owned the
heater though.
But back to the Skydrive one. I plan to install it someday even though it
will be tight but hopefully possible. I wonder if anyone has already install
this on a classic 912S.
Troy Maynor
N120EU Monowheel Classic
Left to finish:
Paint,interior,engine install, wiring.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Peter Davis
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 1:13 PM
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Carb Heat
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Davis" <pm.davis@ntlworld.com>
>
> Hi again Troy,
>
> I've just spoken to Conrad Beale (Mr. Rotax in UK and son of
> Skydrive Nigel
> Beale) and he has not heard of an electric carb heat for the 914
> series. He
> also said that the external alternator I mentioned before would not fit a
> Europa.
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter
>
> mailto:pm.davis@ntlworld.com
>
> This message has been scanned by Norton Internet Security for all known
> viruses.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Peter Davis
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Carb Heat
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Davis" <pm.davis@ntlworld.com>
>
> Hi Troy,
>
> I was meaning the Skydrive one which I have been told shunts the
> carbs back
> approx. 20mm. I was not aware that Rotax did an electric one.
> This could be
> interesting, although I wonder how much current it pulls. I believe the
> standard generator produces 19 amps DC which is not very much but an
> additional external alternator is available to produce 45 amps AC current.
> More cost and even less space.
>
> However, I will have to look into the electric one. Back to the web.
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter
>
> mailto:pm.davis@ntlworld.com
>
> This message has been scanned by Norton Internet Security for all known
> viruses.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Troy Maynor
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Carb Heat
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
>
> Peter,
> I have the same engine setup as you mention (except mine is 912S
> Classic). I
> was thinking I would just barely have room for the Skydrive hot water
> system. Is this the one you mean or the Rotax electric one?
> Troy Maynor
> N120EU Monowheel Classic
> Left to finish:
> Paint,interior,engine install, wiring.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Peter Davis
> > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 11:37 AM
> > To: Europa-List
> > Subject: Europa-List: Carb Heat
> >
> >
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Davis" <pm.davis@ntlworld.com>
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Installation - 80hp 912 in 'Classic' airframe with cold air plenum. Has
> > anyone worked up a carb hot air system taking warm under-cowl
> air into the
> > carbs when required at the same time as blocking off the cold
> air delivery
> > through the air filter?
> >
> > I am working on such a system - subjec to PFA approval - but
> don't want to
> > re-invent the wheel if someone has already gone down this path.
> >
> > I know it sounds like I'm reverting to 40s technology but I don't
> > have room
> > for the Rotax system (only 10mm between rear of air box and
> firewall) and
> > anyway, I love a challenge!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > mailto:pm.davis@ntlworld.com
> >
> > This message has been scanned by Norton Internet Security for all known
> > viruses.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ELT Questions |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
So I may be able to mount my battery on the passenger side shelf in the
engine compartment? That would be nice.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
CM & rudder pedals with cables installed. Working on tailwheel and baggage
bay. Conventional Landing gear might be the next thing to be installed.
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| Subject: | Electric Flap Drive Pix? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Good day all,
Does anyone have any pix of a typical electric flap drive setup? Also
information of the parts used to do it? I am thinking about going to this, but
would
like to see the what it entails.
Thanks in advance.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
CM & rudder pedals with cables installed. Working on tailwheel and baggage
bay. Conventional Landing gear might be the next thing to be installed.
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| Subject: | Re: Reflexed Flaps |
--> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
Reflexing the flaps reduces lift, but if the change in pitching moment reduces
trim drag enough, you could be ahead of the game, but it is airframe-dependent.
Could slow a given airframe down I read.
10 degrees is a lot of reflex, but the Lancair 320 has small flaps. Reflex big
flaps enough and testing is needed to make sure the thing won't ever have a dangerous
CG condition, which can't be corrected should flaps fail to deploy.
But theoretically, reflex 'em just right, leave the horizontal tail at home as
we now have a sort-of flying wing, and better than 10-knot boost with all that
wetted area gone. Pitch control with the tri-gear's flap switch?
Regards,
Fred F.
> I struck up a conversation this morning with the owner of a beautiful
> Lancair 320. With a Lycoming 320 engine, he cruises at 75% power at 7,500
> feet, at 195 KNOTS! I asked him about his speed "tricks" and he said that
> one of the things he did was to "reflex" the flaps to 10 degrees UP when
> fully retracted. He said he gained about 10 knots of speed just by doing
> that.....versus the zero degrees normal retracted position. The theory is
> that reflexed flaps reduce wing drag dramatically....
> Garry Stout
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| Subject: | Re: ELT Questions |
--> Europa-List message posted by: James H Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Mike,
Consider moving the unit inside the cockpit so you can get to it
for testing and If you need it, you can take it with you. I mounted mine
behind the pilot on the side of the fuselage. Mine is an AmeriKing also
and it can be taken with you. I mounted the antenna vertical just behind
the upper bulkhead so the antenna was vertical and just touched the "D"
panel. I secured the top of the antenna with a plastic tube reduxed to
the back of the "D" panel. This way it remains vertical and will move
out of the way when the D panel is removed. The ground plane is 6
copper strips radiating from the base mount that are glassed to the
bottom of the fuselage with one layer of bid.
Jim Nelson
N15JN
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| Subject: | Re: Re flexed Flaps |
--> Europa-List message posted by: James H Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
HI Gary,
I have my ailerons re flexed upward ( pure chance). I get 130K
aroung 5100 to 5200 rpm. I have my prop set at 19 degrees on my 912 S.
I can get 140 knots by turning around 5400 rpm. I had my hanger mate ride
with me and we were catching up with his Banner towing plane. We cruised
by him at 140K and I was not full throttle. Maybe this helps my cruise.
However my stalls gear up are 62K indicated and gear / flaps down about
51K. This needs to be verified with my GPS but I can live with it.
Jim Nelson
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Christine and Peter Timm <cptimm@telus.net>
For what it's worth, I have not put the NACA vent for the cold air plenum
into the top cowling, but have installed such a vent with a 3" stub glassed
into the cowling on the right lower side. From there a 3" scat tube takes
the ram air into a bell-shaped auxiliary airbox bolted on top of the plenum
chamber, which has two bowden-cable operated aluminum flap valves, connected
to each other with a straight rod on the inside opposite each other.
The right side opening has a 3" stub for the Scat Tube for the cold air
whereas the left side flap valve opens up into the inside of the cowling for
carb heat. When one side is open, the other one is closed. I used to have a
Scat Tube from the original heat exchanger on the exhaust leading into the
carb heat side of this box, but found the temperature under the cowling to
be much higher. I cut the heat exchanger off, saving weight and clutter. The
auxiliary air box is made of fiber-glass laid up over a foam plug and has a
flat flange around the open bottom for mounting on top of the plenum box.
Come to think of it, I actually made the lay-up on top of the plenum box
with the filter in place and a 1" wrap-around lip under the front of the
plenum box. I also manufactured a 3" x 2" Y and fit it into the 3" Scat
Tube, to supply cold air to two ball vents in the low center of the
instrument module with a 2" tube.
All these mods. work extremely well in our climate and we have crossed the
Canadian Rockies 6 times, and have flown from Vancouver to the Atlantic and
back, encountering all kinds of conditions.
Peter Timm,U.K. 110
Europa Classic Mono (upgraded to XS standard), 200 hrs, Rotax 912 S
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Davis" <pm.davis@ntlworld.com>
Hi all,
Installation - 80hp 912 in 'Classic' airframe with cold air plenum. Has
anyone worked up a carb hot air system taking warm under-cowl air into the
carbs when required at the same time as blocking off the cold air delivery
through the air filter?
I am working on such a system - subjec to PFA approval - but don't want to
re-invent the wheel if someone has already gone down this path.
I know it sounds like I'm reverting to 40s technology but I don't have room
for the Rotax system (only 10mm between rear of air box and firewall) and
anyway, I love a challenge!
Regards,
Peter
mailto:pm.davis@ntlworld.com
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Cheers,
Chris
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
You need it to be legal so mount the useless thing anywhere that it helps
with CG and use a "handheld" 406 MHz Personal Locator Beacon so you can
actually get the search and rescue folks to start looking for you within
minutes (or a couple of hours at worst) instead of a day or two after the
event with 121.5 beacons.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
DuaneFamly@aol.com
Subject: Europa-List: ELT Questions
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Good day All,
I am presently looking to mount my Amer-King AK-450 ELT under the port side
baggage bay as I have seen others do. One person's website photos showed the
ELT antennae mounted horizontally across the baggage bay beneath the "D"
window.
But upon reading the instructions that came with my ELT, it says that the
antennae must be mounted within 20 degrees of vertical when the aircraft is
in a
normal flight attitude. Has something changed? Also they want a minimum 36
inch diameter ground plane around the base of the antennae. What have others
done
to fulfill this specification?
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
CM & rudder pedals with cables installed. Working on tailwheel and baggage
bay. Conventional Landing gear might be the next thing to be installed.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Fred F wrote "Statistically, they're about as useful as a piece of lead"
Fred,
From what I have heard, this is true of permanently installed ELTs. It
would seem however, that a portable ELT on your person is a much better
deal. Eg, if one survives an accident, what good is an ELT in a
burning or sinking aircraft ?? I will be purchasing a portable unit
when/if the time ever arrives.
Regards
Kingsley Hurst
Mono Classic 281 in Oz
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| Subject: | Re: Reflexed Flaps |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Alex Kaarsberg <kaarsber@terra.com.br>
>10 degrees is a lot of reflex, but the Lancair 320 has small flaps. Reflex big
flaps enough and testing is needed to make sure the thing won't ever have a
dangerous CG condition, which can't be corrected should flaps fail to deploy.
But theoretically, reflex 'em just right, leave the horizontal tail at home as
we now have a sort-of flying wing, and better than 10-knot boost with all that
wetted area gone. Pitch control with the tri-gear's flap switch?
>
>Regards,
>Fred F.
>
>
>
What is the downside to this?
Will too much stability be lost if the tail doesnt pull down a bit?
What will happen at altitude, any risk of high speed stall? I suppose
the aerodynamic service ceiling must suffer?
I suppose it could be used as a method to make a twoseater into a faster
oneseater for lower altitudes, when alone, flick the warp drive switch ;-)
Alex, #529
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| Subject: | ELT Questions/Conventional gear? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
A conventional gear setup is actually lighter than the Mono? That's cool,
about how much? What do you mean by more centered about the axle-line?
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ami McFadyean
Subject: Re: Europa-List: ELT Questions
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean"
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
>
> With the conventional gear, CG must move forward?
No!. It moves back, because it is lighter and more centred about the
axle-line.
Duncan McF.
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