Today's Message Index:
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1. 01:04 AM - Re: Reflexed Flaps (Nigel Graham)
2. 01:36 AM - any wise words for a new builder? (andy)
3. 05:27 AM - Re: Finishing and Painting (Brian Davies)
4. 05:50 AM - Re: Reflexed Flaps (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
5. 06:18 AM - Re: Finishing and Painting (David Joyce)
6. 06:19 AM - Re: Reflexed Flaps (n3eu@comcast.net)
7. 06:45 AM - Gas tank and sight glass vents (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
8. 07:05 AM - Re: Finishing and Painting (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
9. 07:35 AM - Re: Reflexed Flaps (Alex Kaarsberg)
10. 08:02 AM - Re: Gas tank and sight glass vents (R.C.Harrison)
11. 08:07 AM - Re: Electric Flap Drive Pix? (R.C.Harrison)
12. 08:20 AM - Re: Gas tank and sight glass vents ()
13. 09:34 AM - Re: Finishing and Painting (David Joyce)
14. 10:42 AM - Re: reflexed flaps (Shaun Simpkins)
15. 11:05 AM - reflexed flaps (Graham Singleton)
16. 11:33 AM - Re: any wise words for a new builder? (Tim Ward)
17. 12:26 PM - Re: Gas tank and sight glass vents (Paul Mansfield)
18. 12:43 PM - USA Europa Fly-In at Oshkosh, WI (Europa Aircraft)
19. 01:38 PM - Re: Gas tank and sight glass vents ()
20. 01:56 PM - Re: Drop of the Hat fly in Lands End (William Mills)
21. 02:08 PM - Fuel Cap Engraving, Labeling, Indentifying (Wayne Cahoon @ Aircraft Engravers)
22. 02:52 PM - Re: USA Europa Fly-In at Oshkosh, WI (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
23. 04:44 PM - Re: Electric Flap Drive Pix? (Alan Stills)
24. 05:42 PM - Re: any wise words for a new builder? (Steve Hagar)
25. 06:13 PM - Fuel drain valves (John & Amy Eckel)
26. 06:47 PM - Re: Gas tank and sight glass vents (n3eu@comcast.net)
27. 07:05 PM - Re: USA Europa Fly-In at Oshkosh, WI (Dale G. HetriG Hetrick)
28. 07:14 PM - Re: Gas tank and sight glass vents (Paul McAllister)
29. 07:47 PM - Re: Gas tank and sight glass vents ()
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| Subject: | Re: Reflexed Flaps |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Nigel Graham" <nigel_graham@btclick.com>
>
What is the downside to this?....................
Well, on the Mono, the flap-bone is connected to the wheel-bone.
Reflex the flaps by 10 degrees and the wheel will encroach into the
cockpit space.
Short pilots might have difficulty communicating with their passengers.
Just a thought ;-)
Nigel
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Kaarsberg" <kaarsber@terra.com.br>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Reflexed Flaps
--> Europa-List message posted by: Alex Kaarsberg
<kaarsber@terra.com.br>
>10 degrees is a lot of reflex, but the Lancair 320 has small flaps.
Reflex big flaps enough and testing is needed to make sure the thing
won't ever have a dangerous CG condition, which can't be corrected
should flaps fail to deploy. But theoretically, reflex 'em just right,
leave the horizontal tail at home as we now have a sort-of flying wing,
and better than 10-knot boost with all that wetted area gone. Pitch
control with the tri-gear's flap switch?
>
>Regards,
>Fred F.
>
>
What is the downside to this?
Will too much stability be lost if the tail doesnt pull down a bit?
What will happen at altitude, any risk of high speed stall? I suppose
the aerodynamic service ceiling must suffer?
I suppose it could be used as a method to make a twoseater into a faster
oneseater for lower altitudes, when alone, flick the warp drive switch
;-)
Alex, #529
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| Subject: | any wise words for a new builder? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: andy <europa@brownfamily.org.uk>
Hi ,
I've just taken delivery of the Europa XS tail kit and I wonder if those who
have gone through this process before could give me some advice on this part
of the build...
. what would you do differently from first time through?
. are there tools you should have had from the outset?
. what mistakes did you make :)
I think I'd like to buy a used resin pump - any one in the UK have one for
sale?
Andy Brown
builder 588 XS Trigear
Nairn, Highlands, Scotland
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| Subject: | Re: Finishing and Painting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Davies" <bdavies@dircon.co.uk>
Many thanks David,
I attended the Europa Forum and was very interested in the talk on gel
coating. It sounds very interesting, but I just wonder why so few Europas
are gel coated.
Brian
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Finishing and Painting
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce"
<davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> Brian, If you are interested in a gel coat finish, which is very hard and
> durable and ultra smooth, and the automatic choice of glider manufacturers
> then the country's expert (or at least one of them) is Roger Targett at
> Nympsfield (between Stonehouse and Dursley in Gloucestershire.) Tel 01453
> 860861 He repairs gliders and power planes and is a PFA inspector who has
> supervised 3 Europas and several other PFA aircraft. Perhaps that
stretches
> your definition of the South of England. Regards, David Joyce
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brian Davies <bdavies@dircon.co.uk>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Finishing and Painting
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Davies" <bdavies@dircon.co.uk>
> >
> > Has anyone got a recommendation for a company that will do final
finishing
> and painting in the south of England?
> >
> > Brian Davies kit 454
> > Wings ready for final filling/painting
> > Fuselage ready for sticking top on
> > Panel complete
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Reflexed Flaps |
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Reflexed flaps are common on modern sailplanes. Sailplanes like the ASW27,
using reflexed flaps, are able to go much, much faster than non-flapped gliders.
Having flown along side flapped sailplanes in a non-flapped sailplane I can
only watch in amazement as they disappear when they set the reflex in the
flaps. I'm not sure how it would affect the Europa, but I'm reasonably sure it
would be hard to do with a trigear since the flap drive tube is against the rear
of the CM with the flaps all the way up. Perhaps changing the angle of the flap
arms would allow for reflexed flaps?
It'd probably be easier to pick up a few knots by gap sealing the ailerons
and mylaring them top and bottom to help the laminar flow and also applying a
flap gap seal of mylar. Fair all that mylar into the paint and I'd bet you'd
pick up 4-5 knots, maybe more. Of these ideas, from what I've seen in sailplanes,
the aileron gap seals would do the most for drag reduction. Further increases
in speed would probably result by optimizing cooling drag and making the
wing/fuselage intersection as clean as possible. I plan to implement all of the
above in my Europa. I'll let you know how it works.
Regards,
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245 (Vacuum bagged panels for baggage bay, seat pans. headphone jacks, and
stick boots complete and post cured. Sanding and filling, getting ever closer
to cockpit paint)
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| Subject: | Re: Finishing and Painting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Brian, I suspect that it may be because it is a specialist skill, and it is
only applicable on fibreglass structures. Most paint shops will be geared to
spraying cars or other metal structures and will not have the experience. To
me the advantages are:
1) It goes directly on the filled fibreglass structure, no U/Vcoat or
undercoats (some of which need to be dry sanded many times over)
2) You finish it by wet and dry sanding, which is a quick, clean (ie dust
and allergen free) and very satisfying process. You sand with 400 grit, then
1200grit then 2000 grit, having put a fine coat of diluted coloured
cellulose paint on the surface between each. You then wet sand until it is
all gone , which means you sand down to the low points each time and end up
with an incredibly smooth surface, ideally designed to maintain your laminar
flow, (and this may well be why efficiency conscious glider pilots all go
for it).
3) It is a very hard surface layer, not very prone to scratching, and glider
pilots who land wheel up on grass, (and most do sooner or later) rarely need
to do anything other than repolish the bottom.
4) After hard wax polishing it has a very satisfying deep gloss appearance,
rather like the very best Rolls Royce coachwork.
5) Modern gel coats last for 20years or more
6) It combines chemically with the resin of the fibreglass I believe, so it
is not going to flake off.
7) I have seen some professionally done 'normal' painted Europas with a
finish to match my gel coat, but most Europas don't look nearly so good
8) Filling in any damaged bits (and I had several related to the disastrous
company open mono trailer I had!) is easy to do to as new standard.
If you pursued it with Roger Targett, he is very happy to spray the
gel coat for you and then leave you to do the rubbing down to save cost
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Davies <bdavies@dircon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Finishing and Painting
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Davies" <bdavies@dircon.co.uk>
>
> Many thanks David,
>
> I attended the Europa Forum and was very interested in the talk on gel
> coating. It sounds very interesting, but I just wonder why so few Europas
> are gel coated.
>
> Brian
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Finishing and Painting
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce"
> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
> >
> > Brian, If you are interested in a gel coat finish, which is very hard
and
> > durable and ultra smooth, and the automatic choice of glider
manufacturers
> > then the country's expert (or at least one of them) is Roger Targett at
> > Nympsfield (between Stonehouse and Dursley in Gloucestershire.) Tel
01453
> > 860861 He repairs gliders and power planes and is a PFA inspector who
has
> > supervised 3 Europas and several other PFA aircraft. Perhaps that
> stretches
> > your definition of the South of England. Regards, David Joyce
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Brian Davies <bdavies@dircon.co.uk>
> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Europa-List: Finishing and Painting
> >
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Davies"
<bdavies@dircon.co.uk>
> > >
> > > Has anyone got a recommendation for a company that will do final
> finishing
> > and painting in the south of England?
> > >
> > > Brian Davies kit 454
> > > Wings ready for final filling/painting
> > > Fuselage ready for sticking top on
> > > Panel complete
> > >
> > >
> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Reflexed Flaps |
--> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
>> Reflex big flaps enough and testing is needed to make sure the
>> thing won't ever have a dangerous CG condition, which can't
>> be corrected should flaps fail to deploy....
>>Regards,
>>Fred F.
>
> What is the downside to this?
> Will too much stability be lost if the tail doesn't pull down a bit?
> What will happen at altitude, any risk of high speed stall? I suppose
> the aerodynamic service ceiling must suffer?
> ...
> Alex, #529
That analysis sounds reasonable to me, but I only know for sure that fiddling with
this stuff isn't to be done casually. There's lore among Grumman-American
owners that you can reflex the flaps for faster cruise, with no rebuttal from
the "old wives."
I tried it some years ago, but turned one of the adjusters the wrong way one turn,
opposite to the other side. Only 28/inch threads and maybe 3/8" asymmetry
at the TE, but on takeoff it was rather startling. Had to come 'round and land
immediately, and there was enough aileron effectiveness to counter the rolling
tendency. The large decreased lift on one side on this airfoil doesn't seem
intuitive, but to an aerodynamicist I guess it would! Corrected flap symmetry,
and various settings, BTW, equaled about zero speed change, but pre-GPS days
for accurate measure.
Fred F.
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| Subject: | Gas tank and sight glass vents |
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Greetings all,
Doing some planning of the vent lines for the gas tank and sight glass and I
was wondering if anyone has put the vents on the bottom of the airplane? I
seem to remember somebody at Flight Crafters doing this, but I can't remember
exactly how it was done. It seems reasonable to have the fuel vents on the bottom
so that in the event they dribble some fuel it won't go all over the
airplane. I would assume that you would have to route the vent lines up and over
the
fuel filler, then back down to the belly where they would exit.
Comments? Maybe Bob Berrube can chime in on this one? (with an update on the
flight testing of his conventional gear Europa?)
Regards,
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245
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| Subject: | Re: Finishing and Painting |
01/23/2004 10:04:26 AM,
Serialize complete at 01/23/2004 10:04:26 AM
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
Finish Gel coat is very heavy compare to paint.
The Europa kit does not come with a finish gel coat.
Personally, I used superfil and imron(dupont).
Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | Re: Reflexed Flaps |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Alex Kaarsberg <kaarsber@terra.com.br>
>
>
>I tried it some years ago, but turned one of the adjusters the wrong way one turn,
opposite to the other side. Only 28/inch threads and maybe 3/8" asymmetry
at the TE, but on takeoff it was rather startling. Had to come 'round and land
immediately, and there was enough aileron effectiveness to counter the rolling
tendency. The large decreased lift on one side on this airfoil doesn't seem
intuitive, but to an aerodynamicist I guess it would! Corrected flap symmetry,
and various settings, BTW, equaled about zero speed change, but pre-GPS
days for accurate measure.
>
>Fred F.
>
>
>
The effect of assymetry of large surfaces was illustrated very well in
the case of a DC10 many moons ago that lost an engine in flight.
It came off at the rear mounts and swung over the wing and off, as it is
supposed to, but ripping open hydraulic lines in the leading edge.
That allowed for the slats on that side to retract, making that wing
drop violently beyond control having lost the lift from the slats- in
spite of that side no more carrying the weight of the engine, some
measly 6 tonnes or thereabout-it is no joking matter!
Rumour has it Douglas had contemplated putting in checkvalves to avoid
the possibility of a scenery like that, but had decided not to
complicate things too much...($)
If an A300 flies with a u/s notch flap, it sits between the root of the
slat and the fuselage and fairs the gap when slats are out, the max.
payload has to be reduced 1/2 a ton....the surface area of it is a
couple of square feet.
Alex
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| Subject: | Re: Gas tank and sight glass vents |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! John
All my vents go up the stbd. side door frame to an anti-siphon bottle in the
roof then over the roof down to exit near a flap hinge slot. Ive never had
any dribble out anywhere.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
----- Original Message -----
From: <TELEDYNMCS@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Gas tank and sight glass vents
> --> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
>
> Greetings all,
>
> Doing some planning of the vent lines for the gas tank and sight glass and
I
> was wondering if anyone has put the vents on the bottom of the airplane? I
> seem to remember somebody at Flight Crafters doing this, but I can't
remember
> exactly how it was done. It seems reasonable to have the fuel vents on the
bottom
> so that in the event they dribble some fuel it won't go all over the
> airplane. I would assume that you would have to route the vent lines up
and over the
> fuel filler, then back down to the belly where they would exit.
>
> Comments? Maybe Bob Berrube can chime in on this one? (with an update on
the
> flight testing of his conventional gear Europa?)
>
> Regards,
>
> John Lawton
> Dunlap, TN
> A-245
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Electric Flap Drive Pix? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! Mike .
I haven't a good picture of the Flap motor but you can just see it under the
pitch control tube in the attached picture with the flap drive tube
connection also just in view. Alongside my now redundant battery plinth!
Also there is copies of the relevant trike manual pages concerning the
installation.(on a trike!)
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
----- Original Message -----
From: <DuaneFamly@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Electric Flap Drive Pix?
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| Subject: | Gas tank and sight glass vents |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
Hi John
My vents go into the top of the fuel filler. Then another vent from
there goes straight down, through the baggage shelf and exits out the
slot for the flap drive. It faces forward to get some ram air pressure
and has some mesh in it so insects can't block it.
I found some photos of my cowl flap but no engine photos yet. I'll send
them.
How do you attach the mylar for gap seals? Have you read Kent Paser's
book about drag reduction? He discusses cooling air drag a bunch.
Tom Friedland
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Subject: Europa-List: Gas tank and sight glass vents
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Greetings all,
Doing some planning of the vent lines for the gas tank and sight glass
and I
was wondering if anyone has put the vents on the bottom of the airplane?
I
seem to remember somebody at Flight Crafters doing this, but I can't
remember
exactly how it was done. It seems reasonable to have the fuel vents on
the bottom
so that in the event they dribble some fuel it won't go all over the
airplane. I would assume that you would have to route the vent lines up
and over the
fuel filler, then back down to the belly where they would exit.
Comments? Maybe Bob Berrube can chime in on this one? (with an update on
the
flight testing of his conventional gear Europa?)
Regards,
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245
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| Subject: | Re: Finishing and Painting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Ira, Sorry, I thought my gel coat reply was going to Brian rather than the
group, but since it has raised the point of weight it may be worth saying a
bit more:
Just under 16 kg of gel coat was used on my plane, but then I
sanded much of that off, I guess at least a half, possibly two thirds. Do
you or does anyone have the weight of materials put on with more
conventional systems if you tot up undercoats, U/V coats and top coat? My
914/VPprop/fullpanel/Navaid/lined and upholstered mono grossed at a weight
which puts it towards the bottom of the 914 weights recorded in the Europa
Club list so it presumably wasn't a significant penalty, if any at all.
Regards, David G-XSDJ
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From: <irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Finishing and Painting
> --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
>
> Finish Gel coat is very heavy compare to paint.
> The Europa kit does not come with a finish gel coat.
> Personally, I used superfil and imron(dupont).
>
> Ira N224XS
>
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| Subject: | Re: reflexed flaps |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Shaun Simpkins" <shauns@hevanet.com>
Lancairs - at least the early ones - used an NLF0125 natural laminar flow airfoil.
It was found that this airfoil and others like it didn't achieve minimum cruise
drag
until the flaps were reflexed. If you talk to a good airfoil designer, they will
tell you
that a properly chosen airfoil shouldn't need to be reflexed in cruise; if it does,
the
airfoil has too much camber and requires too much tail downforce, which increases
drag.
Since then (1985), airfoil designers have been able to achieve as much drag reduction
as the NLF series with less problematic profiles.
Given that the Europa airfoil is a optimized custom design, I would suspect that
reflexing the flaps wouldn't improve matters.
Shaun
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 22/01/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>one of the things he did was to "reflex" the flaps to 10 degrees UP when
>fully retracted. He said he gained about 10 knots of speed just by doing
>that.....versus the zero degrees normal retracted position. The theory is
>that reflexed flaps reduce wing drag dramatically
It's true. All the high performance sailplanes do it. In fact, if you look
at an accurate Europa profile you will see that the flaps should be
reflexed very slightly. Walter Binder, (doesn't speak English much) did it
many years ago on his much modified Classic with good results. The used to
tow gliders with that particular Europa I'm told. Not with water ballast in
I trust!
Graham
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| Subject: | Re: any wise words for a new builder? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
Andy,
A set of PERMA GRIT tools is essential for composite work. Masking tape,
clamps and a good practical mind.
All the best for the build, it's great fun.
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8005
New Zealand.
Ph 0064 3 3515166
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
----- Original Message -----
From: "andy" <europa@brownfamily.org.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: any wise words for a new builder?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: andy <europa@brownfamily.org.uk>
>
> Hi ,
> I've just taken delivery of the Europa XS tail kit and I wonder if those
who
> have gone through this process before could give me some advice on this
part
> of the build...
> . what would you do differently from first time through?
> . are there tools you should have had from the outset?
> . what mistakes did you make :)
>
> I think I'd like to buy a used resin pump - any one in the UK have one for
> sale?
>
> Andy Brown
> builder 588 XS Trigear
> Nairn, Highlands, Scotland
>
>
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| Subject: | Gas tank and sight glass vents |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul Mansfield" <m@nsfield.screaming.net>
Hi Tom,
I plan the same run for my vent lines. What termination did you put on the
plastic tube (stainless tube provided by Europa or what?) & how did you fit
mesh in? Also, what type of mesh did you use?
Thanks
Rgds
Paul 383
MonoXS CM in.
-----Original Message-----
From: beecho@beecho.org
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Gas tank and sight glass vents
Hi John
My vents go into the top of the fuel filler. Then another vent from there
goes straight down, through the baggage shelf and exits out the slot for the
flap drive. It faces forward to get some ram air pressure and has some mesh
in it so insects can't block it.
<snip>
Tom Friedland
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| Subject: | USA Europa Fly-In at Oshkosh, WI |
tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
Hi All,
We are planning our first mass Europa fly-in at Whitman field in Oshkosh,
WI. The Fly-In will be during the Airventure convention. The EAA has
actually been very generous, and reserved quite a bit of parking space for
us on the convention grounds at the field. The area will be adjacent to the
Europa display area.
Europa will be assisting the Europa USA & Canada owners group with
organizing the Fly-In. Europa will also provide a gift for each pilot that
flies in.
In addition, if any UK fliers want to ship there airplanes over to tour the
US & fly in to Oshkosh, Europa's US office will provide assistance unloading
at our office in Lakeland, FL. We will also help with a temporary permit to
fly. Contact the Lakeland office if you wish to ship your plane over.
For more details visit http://www.europa-usa.com/airventure_2004.htm
Hope to see you there!
John Hurst
Europa Aircraft
Lakeland, FL
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| Subject: | Gas tank and sight glass vents |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
Paul
I used 1/4'' OD aluminum tubing. (I have only one vent from the vacuum
breaker in the filler tube.) The mesh is a little stainless wool, a bit
of 5 minute on it and then just pushed into the end of the tubing.
Tom
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Mansfield
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Gas tank and sight glass vents
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul Mansfield"
<m@nsfield.screaming.net>
Hi Tom,
I plan the same run for my vent lines. What termination did you put on
the
plastic tube (stainless tube provided by Europa or what?) & how did you
fit
mesh in? Also, what type of mesh did you use?
Thanks
Rgds
Paul 383
MonoXS CM in.
-----Original Message-----
From: beecho@beecho.org
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Gas tank and sight glass vents
Hi John
My vents go into the top of the fuel filler. Then another vent from
there
goes straight down, through the baggage shelf and exits out the slot for
the
flap drive. It faces forward to get some ram air pressure and has some
mesh
in it so insects can't block it.
<snip>
Tom Friedland
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| Subject: | Re: Drop of the Hat fly in Lands End |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Hello All,
Anyone like to join me on a fly-in to Lands End tomorrow? The weather looks
good, the temperature is still mild and the days are getting longer. I will
aim for about mid-day.
Regards,
William
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| From: | "Wayne Cahoon @ Aircraft Engravers" <wayne@engravers.net> |
<xdp4000x-list@matronics.com>, <warbird-list@matronics.com>,
<ultralight-list@matronics.com>, <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>,
<tailwind-list@matronics.com>, <stratus-list@matronics.com>,
<sonerai-list@matronics.com>, <smithmini-list@matronics.com>,
<seaplane-list@matronics.com>, <sailplane-list@matronics.com>,
<rv-list@matronics.com>, <rocket-list@matronics.com>,
<pitts-list@matronics.com>, <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>,
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<lancair-list@matronics.com>, <l39-list@matronics.com>,
<kr-list@matronics.com>, <kolb-list@matronics.com>,
<kitfox-list@matronics.com>, <homebuilt-list@matronics.com>,
<glasair-list@matronics.com>, <fewmustang-list@matronics.com>,
<ez-list@matronics.com>, <europa-list@matronics.com>,
<czech-list@matronics.com>, <cadet-list@matronics.com>
| Subject: | Fuel Cap Engraving, Labeling, Indentifying |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Wayne Cahoon @ Aircraft Engravers" <wayne@engravers.net>
Have your Fuel Caps engraved, it's permanent and easy to read. Aircraft Engravers
has been engraving fuel caps for over 14 years.
You can see our web page at http://engravers.net/aircraft/fuel_caps.htm
Other types of engraving jobs can be viewed at http://engravers.net/main/ac_products.htm
There are a few sets of loaner fuel caps for the more common styles if your tanks
are wet.
FREE shipping by USPS Priority mail for all fuel cap engraving orders in the month
of February.
Wayne Cahoon
Aircraft Engravers
(860) 653-2780
(860) 653-7324 Fax
http://engravers.net/
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| Subject: | Re: USA Europa Fly-In at Oshkosh, WI |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
To All,
On this note, if any Europa happened to have an empty seat and would like to
share expenses on the flight to and back with one of those unfortunate enough
to not have their aircraft completed yet, please feel free to let this be
known.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
CM & rudder pedals with cables installed. Working on tailwheel and baggage
bay. Just did a trial fit of both wings to fuselage, they fit!
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| Subject: | Re: Electric Flap Drive Pix? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stills" <astills785@earthlink.net>
Mike,
I'll get you a photo or two tommorrow as I just finished mine and still have
the back open.
Al Stills
A095
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| Subject: | any wise words for a new builder? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Get a hold of Burt Rutan's Composite book (more like a big pamphlet) and do
the practice exercises in it with the foam and fiberglass. Do this in
addition to the exercise in the Europa book. the big issue is making your
hands learn the techniques.
Steve Hagar
A143
Mesa, AZ
Steve Hagar
hagargs@earthlink.net
> [Original Message]
> From: andy <europa@brownfamily.org.uk>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 1/23/04 2:35:52 AM
> Subject: Europa-List: any wise words for a new builder?
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: andy <europa@brownfamily.org.uk>
>
> Hi ,
> I've just taken delivery of the Europa XS tail kit and I wonder if those
who
> have gone through this process before could give me some advice on this
part
> of the build...
> . what would you do differently from first time through?
> . are there tools you should have had from the outset?
> . what mistakes did you make :)
>
> I think I'd like to buy a used resin pump - any one in the UK have one
for
> sale?
>
> Andy Brown
> builder 588 XS Trigear
> Nairn, Highlands, Scotland
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel drain valves |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
Hello,
I am in the process of picking fuel drain valves. What have other
builders been using and what is the best location for a tri-gear?
Thanks,
John A230
working on cockpit module
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| Subject: | Re: Gas tank and sight glass vents |
--> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
TELEDYNMCS@aol.com wrote:
> Doing some planning of the vent lines for the gas tank and sight glass
> and I was wondering if anyone has put the vents on the bottom of the
> airplane? I seem to remember somebody at Flight Crafters doing this,
> but I can't remember exactly how it was done. It seems reasonable to
> have the fuel vents on the bottom so that in the event they dribble
> some fuel it won't go all over the airplane.
I believe at least tri-gear builders should consider local climate and intended
runways, as any snow, ice, mud, or goose crap* can block a vent. With one fuel
tank, fuel flow will cease, and hence FAA rule about one tank, two vents.
FAR 23.951 and ff don't apply to homebuilts, but sometimes FAA "ain't just whistlin'
Dixie."
I thus have a second vent, OK on the bottom if one is elsewhere. It's fed to a
mechanical fuel sender flange on top of the tank.
*The Canadian geese problem is so bad here that the airport manager leaves the
snow blade on the truck year-round, to plow the runways!
Regards,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | Re: USA Europa Fly-In at Oshkosh, WI |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dale G. HetriG Hetrick" <gdale2@juno.com>
John,
Not sure if we can make it but please keep me on the list.
Dale Hetrick
A140
Europa XS Tri-Gear, Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | Re: Gas tank and sight glass vents |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
John,
Take a look at http://europa363.versadev.com/ under July 20., 2002 and you
can see what I did. I don't show it in my photo's but I have the vent
coming out of the side of the aircraft near the flaps.
Paul
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| Subject: | Gas tank and sight glass vents |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
Hi Fred
Move..
No snow plows, no geese. 70 degrees here today. Sure could use some
rain. Only 7 inches since last April. We need to dust things
occasionally.
Put your vent in the flap drive slot. Protected from splash, geese,
etc.
Tom
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
n3eu@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gas tank and sight glass vents
--> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
TELEDYNMCS@aol.com wrote:
> Doing some planning of the vent lines for the gas tank and sight glass
> and I was wondering if anyone has put the vents on the bottom of the
> airplane? I seem to remember somebody at Flight Crafters doing this,
> but I can't remember exactly how it was done. It seems reasonable to
> have the fuel vents on the bottom so that in the event they dribble
> some fuel it won't go all over the airplane.
I believe at least tri-gear builders should consider local climate and
intended runways, as any snow, ice, mud, or goose crap* can block a
vent. With one fuel tank, fuel flow will cease, and hence FAA rule
about one tank, two vents. FAR 23.951 and ff don't apply to homebuilts,
but sometimes FAA "ain't just whistlin' Dixie."
I thus have a second vent, OK on the bottom if one is elsewhere. It's
fed to a mechanical fuel sender flange on top of the tank.
*The Canadian geese problem is so bad here that the airport manager
leaves the snow blade on the truck year-round, to plow the runways!
Regards,
Fred F.
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