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1. 01:04 AM - Re: SKYFORCE pinouts (Brian Davies)
2. 01:15 AM - Re: SKYFORCE pinouts (G-IANI)
3. 03:03 AM - Re: Re: Engine options (Neville Eyre)
4. 03:05 AM - Enclosed Mono Trailer for SALE (G-IANI)
5. 05:26 AM - Re: Engine options (Jim Brown)
6. 06:38 AM - Re: Re: Engine options (Peter Zutrauen)
7. 09:47 AM - Re: SKYFORCE pinouts (bizzarro@easynet.co.uk)
8. 11:29 AM - Re: SKYFORCE pinouts (hedley brown)
9. 05:08 PM - Tailwheel Attachment Ply (Tony Renshaw)
10. 07:47 PM - Re: Tailwheel Attachment Ply (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: SKYFORCE pinouts |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Davies" <bdavies@dircon.co.uk>
Eddie,
The Skyforce 3C pinouts are:
1 Differential in (RX data)
2 Data out (TX data)
3 Reserved
4 Data in (RX data)
5 Ground
6 Reserved
7 Reserved
8 DC power input (+ve)
9 Annunciator OR alarm
The source for this information is the Skymap 3C &Tracker 3C Pilot Guide and
Operating Manual section 3, pages 3-1 and 3-2.
Brian
Brian Davies kit 454
----- Original Message -----
From: <bizzarro@easynet.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: SKYFORCE pinouts
> --> Europa-List message posted by: bizzarro@easynet.co.uk
>
> Hi All
>
> I would like to connect my skymap to my laptop (9pin serial) to use it to
drive
> the Jeppessen Flite Map software I have just bought (which seems to be
> excellent). Ultimately i would like to copy the installation in G-EMIN
with a
> separate screen up front, driven from the laptop/mini computer in the
back.
>
> Does anyone know the pinouts for this cable including the power pins?
>
> Cheers
>
> Eddie
>
> G-SELF
>
> Sanding, sanding, sanding!
>
>
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| Subject: | SKYFORCE pinouts |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
Skymap 3IIIc pinout is:-
See page 3-1 of the Pilot Guide & Operations Manual
9 pin "D" connector
pin 1 Diferential data (RX Data)
pin 2 Data Out (TX data)
pin 3 reserved
Pin 4 Data in (RX data)
pin 5 Ground (0V or -ve)
Pin 6 reserved
Pin 7 Reserved
Pin 8 DC power input (10-33V +ve)
Pin 9 Annunciator or alarm
I hope this helps. Regards
Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI
Europa Club Assistant Mods Rep
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
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Subject: Europa-List: SKYFORCE pinouts
--> Europa-List message posted by: bizzarro@easynet.co.uk
Hi All
I would like to connect my skymap to my laptop (9pin serial) to use it to
drive
the Jeppessen Flite Map software I have just bought (which seems to be
excellent). Ultimately i would like to copy the installation in G-EMIN with
a
separate screen up front, driven from the laptop/mini computer in the back.
Does anyone know the pinouts for this cable including the power pins?
Cheers
Eddie
G-SELF
Sanding, sanding, sanding!
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| Subject: | Re: Engine options |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Neville Eyre" <Neville@europa-aircraft.com>
Hi ALL,
For those of you thinking of going with the Norton / Mid West Wankel, forget it
!
The fuel burn was half as much again as a 912 [ same journey, same speed ] the
nearly total loss oil lubrication system deposited huge quantities of very expensive
oil down the belly of the aircraft, and the noise was horrific.
We struggled for nearly two years to get it to run nicely, without hicking / popping
/ burping, [which improoved ones airmanship, because you were allways picking
into wind fields ahead, ''just in case''].
The light weight was it's only good point, but even that was a disadvantage when
we eventually removed it, if it had been heavier, we could have used it as a
boat anchor !
At this moment in time, there is no good reason to not fit a Rotax 912 / 914.
Cheers,
Nev.
>>> "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com> 01/28/04 09:05pm >>>
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
Hi Ken,
The Mazda at 300lbs installed weight for a 2 rotor, it's just too heavy.
I'm keeping my eye on a single rotor variant with custom aluminum side
plates.... @ less than 200lbs - but it's still in the very early
development stages and as such is still unproven. Richard Sohn is the
fellow doing the work unicorn@gdsys.net. I have some pics I could email
you.
The Midwest Norton rotary was tried in the Europa early on by the
factory (as per the old newsletters), but they apparently had cooling
issues - there may be one or two flying in the UK. The Norton design has
now been purchased by Diamond Aircraft, and marketed out of Italy.
http://aeroshop.it/engines/
Likely very expensive, and one would still likely have the cooling and
consumption issues. Nice and light though (105Hp @ 155lbs wet with a
second alternator).
Cheers,
Pete
A239
-----Original Message-----
From: Kenneth Gresham [mailto:kgresham@mtco.com]
Subject: Europa-List: Engine options
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kenneth Gresham" <kgresham@mtco.com>
Just wondering if any builders are or will be using a Mazda rotary?
Ken Gresham , Illinois
A268
Preparing to fit wings
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| Subject: | Enclosed Mono Trailer for SALE |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
On behalf of David Schofield
Schofield Trailer
Lotmead Farm Estate
Lower Wanborough
Swindon. SN3 4AJ
UK
David has for sale a partially completed enclosed monowheel trailer. The
framework is welded up and painted but it has yet to be clad. He is
offering it for sale with twin axle running gear, rear fold down ramp and
front access door installed. Cladding will be white, pre painted aluminium.
He is offering the completed unit for 5,500 or as a "tow away" kit (you
will need to do the cladding with the white aluminium and rivets provided)
for 3,750.
Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI
Europa Club Assistant Mods Rep
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
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| Subject: | Re: Engine options |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
Hi Neville,
Let me add to your posting.
I was in Lakeland couple weeks ago to attend a RV fly-in. There was a Rotary installed
on an RV, and when it was started every one on the field knew it. It sounded
very loud, and to me like the gear box did not have any oil in it.
However I'm not sure it even has a gear box.
In looking at the belly of the a/c it would appear that it leaked as much oil as
it burned gas.
These are my observations, as this is the only Rotary I have seen installed in
an aircraft , I cannot comment on the good or bad points of the engine.
Jim Brown
N398JB
Neville Eyre wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Neville Eyre" <Neville@europa-aircraft.com>
>
> Hi ALL,
> For those of you thinking of going with the Norton / Mid West Wankel, forget
it !
> The fuel burn was half as much again as a 912 [ same journey, same speed ] the
nearly total loss oil lubrication system deposited huge quantities of very expensive
oil down the belly of the aircraft, and the noise was horrific.
> We struggled for nearly two years to get it to run nicely, without hicking /
popping / burping, [which improoved ones airmanship, because you were allways
picking into wind fields ahead, ''just in case''].
> The light weight was it's only good point, but even that was a disadvantage when
we eventually removed it, if it had been heavier, we could have used it as
a boat anchor !
> At this moment in time, there is no good reason to not fit a Rotax 912 / 914.
> Cheers,
> Nev.
>
> >>> "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com> 01/28/04 09:05pm >>>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
>
> Hi Ken,
>
> The Mazda at 300lbs installed weight for a 2 rotor, it's just too heavy.
> I'm keeping my eye on a single rotor variant with custom aluminum side
> plates.... @ less than 200lbs - but it's still in the very early
> development stages and as such is still unproven. Richard Sohn is the
> fellow doing the work unicorn@gdsys.net. I have some pics I could email
> you.
>
> The Midwest Norton rotary was tried in the Europa early on by the
> factory (as per the old newsletters), but they apparently had cooling
> issues - there may be one or two flying in the UK. The Norton design has
> now been purchased by Diamond Aircraft, and marketed out of Italy.
> http://aeroshop.it/engines/
> Likely very expensive, and one would still likely have the cooling and
> consumption issues. Nice and light though (105Hp @ 155lbs wet with a
> second alternator).
>
> Cheers,
> Pete
> A239
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kenneth Gresham [mailto:kgresham@mtco.com]
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Engine options
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kenneth Gresham" <kgresham@mtco.com>
>
> Just wondering if any builders are or will be using a Mazda rotary?
>
> Ken Gresham , Illinois
> A268
> Preparing to fit wings
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
Thanks Neville,
I've always wondered how much oil the Norton consumed. It sounds as
though the technology just isn't up to the task. I wonder why Diamond
took a go at it.
As expected, the factory's Rotax recommendation sounds like the solid
(and proven) option. Plus with the firewall forward kit, all the
installation experimentation is avoided.
My concern with the non-conventional installations (such as the rotary)
are the torsional resonance gearbox issues - which the Rotax has
successfully proven with their long service record. I fly behind one on
our local FBO's Katana fleet - and their planes really get run hard.
It's always fun to see what other new options are out there though....
and watch others as they experiment. :-)
Cheers,
Pete
A239
-----Original Message-----
From: Neville Eyre [mailto:Neville@europa-aircraft.com]
Subject: Re: RE: Europa-List: Engine options
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Neville Eyre"
<Neville@europa-aircraft.com>
Hi ALL,
For those of you thinking of going with the Norton / Mid West Wankel,
forget it !
The fuel burn was half as much again as a 912 [ same journey, same speed
] the nearly total loss oil lubrication system deposited huge quantities
of very expensive oil down the belly of the aircraft, and the noise was
horrific.
We struggled for nearly two years to get it to run nicely, without
hicking / popping / burping, [which improoved ones airmanship, because
you were allways picking into wind fields ahead, ''just in case''].
The light weight was it's only good point, but even that was a
disadvantage when we eventually removed it, if it had been heavier, we
could have used it as a boat anchor !
At this moment in time, there is no good reason to not fit a Rotax 912 /
914.
Cheers,
Nev.
>>> "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com> 01/28/04 09:05pm >>>
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen"
<peterz@zutrasoft.com>
Hi Ken,
The Mazda at 300lbs installed weight for a 2 rotor, it's just too heavy.
I'm keeping my eye on a single rotor variant with custom aluminum side
plates.... @ less than 200lbs - but it's still in the very early
development stages and as such is still unproven. Richard Sohn is the
fellow doing the work unicorn@gdsys.net. I have some pics I could email
you.
The Midwest Norton rotary was tried in the Europa early on by the
factory (as per the old newsletters), but they apparently had cooling
issues - there may be one or two flying in the UK. The Norton design has
now been purchased by Diamond Aircraft, and marketed out of Italy.
http://aeroshop.it/engines/
Likely very expensive, and one would still likely have the cooling and
consumption issues. Nice and light though (105Hp @ 155lbs wet with a
second alternator).
Cheers,
Pete
A239
-----Original Message-----
From: Kenneth Gresham [mailto:kgresham@mtco.com]
Subject: Europa-List: Engine options
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kenneth Gresham" <kgresham@mtco.com>
Just wondering if any builders are or will be using a Mazda rotary?
Ken Gresham , Illinois
A268
Preparing to fit wings
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| Subject: | Re: SKYFORCE pinouts |
--> Europa-List message posted by: bizzarro@easynet.co.uk
Thanks Brian and Ian
I can now make the cable up.
Cheers
Eddie
>
> 1 Differential in (RX data)
> 2 Data out (TX data)
> 3 Reserved
> 4 Data in (RX data)
> 5 Ground
> 6 Reserved
> 7 Reserved
> 8 DC power input (+ve)
> 9 Annunciator OR alarm
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| Subject: | Re: SKYFORCE pinouts |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "hedley brown" <hedley@hedleybrown.flyer.co.uk>
Ask Graham Clarke!
----- Original Message -----
From: <bizzarro@easynet.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: SKYFORCE pinouts
> --> Europa-List message posted by: bizzarro@easynet.co.uk
>
> Hi All
>
> I would like to connect my skymap to my laptop (9pin serial) to use it to
drive
> the Jeppessen Flite Map software I have just bought (which seems to be
> excellent). Ultimately i would like to copy the installation in G-EMIN
with a
> separate screen up front, driven from the laptop/mini computer in the
back.
>
> Does anyone know the pinouts for this cable including the power pins?
>
> Cheers
>
> Eddie
>
> G-SELF
>
> Sanding, sanding, sanding!
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> This mail sent through http://www.easynetdial.co.uk
>
>
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| Subject: | Tailwheel Attachment Ply |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Gidday,
I am confused by the longitudinal width of the ply inserts being determined
as 40 mm, and yet a side elevation has a conical stack? This would imply
that they are as long as they are wide. So, do I build it up so that the
cloth goes through steeper and steeper transitions to cover each and every
piece of ply, or would it be better to make it more gradual, such as in the
conical side elevation. I also figured if I went conical, well I could bury
a nut for an invisible tie down point, and have the eyelet bolt attached to
my restraint rope, rather than have something hang down in the breeze. Any
ideas on this one???
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger (possibly convertible)
Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
Intended Engine: 912S or a "turboed single rotor rotary, when I am dreaming"
Instrumentation: Undecided
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel Attachment Ply |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Tony,
As for the bolt, I replaced the one that was originally called for with a
drilled AN-45 Eye bolt (AC Spruce pg 77). I waited until I drilled the 5/16" hole
for the tailwheel spring bolt, then measured the actual thickness of all the
plys and ordered the proper length with an MS17825-5 self-locking castle nut
(AC Spruce pg 84) and added a cotter pin to finish it off. I don't think this
is gonna come off on it's own. While it does stick out in the breeze by an
inch, it's too small to worry about.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
CM & rudder pedals with cables installed. Working on tailwheel and baggage
bay. Trial fit of top and both wings. The wings fit! Conventional gear soon.
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