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1. 02:21 AM - Re: Tailwheel Attachment Ply (David Joyce)
2. 02:38 PM - Wiring (Kenneth Gresham)
3. 04:14 PM - Re: Tailwheel Attachment Ply (JR (Bob) Gowing)
4. 04:24 PM - Re: Wiring (KARL HEINDL)
5. 04:24 PM - Re: Wiring (Cliff Shaw)
6. 05:39 PM - Re: Wiring (Paul McAllister)
7. 06:47 PM - Re: Wiring (Jeff Roberts)
8. 07:18 PM - Wiring (KARL HEINDL)
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel Attachment Ply |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Tony, You make the pad as shown in the diagram ignoring the 49 mm wide
label, which will be approximately true for only one of the layers. The
front and back of each ply layer is chamfered at +/- 45 degrees. The bottom
piece is about 15 to 20mm wider (fore and aft) than the top, but less wide
transversely to fit the curve of the fuselage. You will find that a tie down
rope ties nicely round the tail spring just above the tailwheel stop without
the need for any more ironware.
Regards, David, G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Europa-List: Tailwheel Attachment Ply
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>
> Gidday,
> I am confused by the longitudinal width of the ply inserts being
determined
> as 40 mm, and yet a side elevation has a conical stack? This would imply
> that they are as long as they are wide. So, do I build it up so that the
> cloth goes through steeper and steeper transitions to cover each and every
> piece of ply, or would it be better to make it more gradual, such as in
the
> conical side elevation. I also figured if I went conical, well I could
bury
> a nut for an invisible tie down point, and have the eyelet bolt attached
to
> my restraint rope, rather than have something hang down in the breeze. Any
> ideas on this one???
>
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Australia
>
> Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger (possibly convertible)
> Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
> Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
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dreaming"
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>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kenneth Gresham" <kgresham@mtco.com>
I am looking for suggestions for routing antenna cables (nav, comm, and transponder)
and 12 volt wiring from aft of baggage bay. This is a tri-gear and I think
I would prefer going through the center tunnel but I do not know what problems
this may present. I am installing the finger brakes so there is access through
the top front of tunnel just below the panel. Would a conduit bonded to the
floor work? Do I need to separate antenna cables from other wires, if so, by
how far? I need to bond on top of fuselage and want to do all steps possible
with it off.
Ken Gresham
A268
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel Attachment Ply |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "JR (Bob) Gowing" <gowingjr@acr.net.au>
To Tony Renshaw in particular
Dear Tony
My stack is more like the wall of a dam - remember it has to have the metal
bar across the top. It slopes down on the front back but is wide across the
fuselage. The sloping sides help you lay the glass as well as spread the
load.
You could make up the stack of ply pieces roughly sized to what you want
with shorter bits of ply toward the bottom where it will be rounded to suit
the bottom of the fuselage and with bits of thin cardboard between to take
up the space of the glass layers. Hold it together with a small bolt; then
shape the piece, rounding the bottom to suit the bottom of the fuselage.
You could arrange a nail, say sticking up from a block of wood under the
fuselage up through the bottom of the fuselage where the bolt is supposed to
go later so you can thread your pieces of ply and glass onto it as you lay
them in flox. That way the pile has to come out exactly as you first made
it!
Best Wishes
J R (Bob) Gowing, UK kit 327 -
Singleton tailwheel in place, splash on pitch structure and pitch limits
set.
Now for setting wing pins.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Europa-List: Tailwheel Attachment Ply
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>
> Gidday,
> I am confused by the longitudinal width of the ply inserts being
determined
> as 40 mm, and yet a side elevation has a conical stack? This would imply
> that they are as long as they are wide. So, do I build it up so that the
> cloth goes through steeper and steeper transitions to cover each and every
> piece of ply, or would it be better to make it more gradual, such as in
the
> conical side elevation. I also figured if I went conical, well I could
bury
> a nut for an invisible tie down point, and have the eyelet bolt attached
to
> my restraint rope, rather than have something hang down in the breeze. Any
> ideas on this one???
>
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Australia
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
Ken,
i installed a conduit on the floor from the baggage bay just
in front of the flap motor up to the seat pans, then a short
conduit left and right into the seat pans to pick up any
wiring from the control columns and the wings, then a larger
conduit from the right seat pan along the exterior of the
tunnel up to the firewall, then up into the instrument
module. co-ax cables were run separately along the inside
of the tunnel attached via p-clips. the conduits were
rectangular with removable tops, and attached to the
bottom with bid brackets. my strobe controll box is in
the right seat pan
just one way of doing it.
karl
>From: "Kenneth Gresham" <kgresham@mtco.com>
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Europa-List: Wiring
>Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:42:50 -0600
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kenneth Gresham" <kgresham@mtco.com>
>
>I am looking for suggestions for routing antenna cables (nav, comm, and
>transponder) and 12 volt wiring from aft of baggage bay. This is a tri-gear
>and I think I would prefer going through the center tunnel but I do not
>know what problems this may present. I am installing the finger brakes so
>there is access through the top front of tunnel just below the panel. Would
>a conduit bonded to the floor work? Do I need to separate antenna cables
>from other wires, if so, by how far? I need to bond on top of fuselage and
>want to do all steps possible with it off.
>
>Ken Gresham
>A268
>
>
http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Ken
I installed a 1" thin wall plastic pipe along the under side of the tunnel
roof. It comes through into the cockpit behind the panel. I has most all the
wires to the aft portion of the plane, including the coax. It all works
well too. I recommend doing that way.
The other way is to put the pipes along the fuselage side just under the
door sill. This is a good way because the wing wires and tubes need to go
that way. We did Bob Jacobsen's plane that way.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kenneth Gresham" <kgresham@mtco.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Wiring
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kenneth Gresham" <kgresham@mtco.com>
>
> I am looking for suggestions for routing antenna cables (nav, comm, and
transponder) and 12 volt wiring from aft of baggage bay. This is a tri-gear
and I think I would prefer going through the center tunnel but I do not know
what problems this may present. I am installing the finger brakes so there
is access through the top front of tunnel just below the panel. Would a
conduit bonded to the floor work? Do I need to separate antenna cables from
other wires, if so, by how far? I need to bond on top of fuselage and want
to do all steps possible with it off.
>
> Ken Gresham
> A268
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Ken,
Take a look at http://europa363.versadev.com/ under July 2001. One
advantage of this approach is that it adds strength to the door sills.
Paul
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 1/30/04 5:42 PM, Kenneth Gresham at kgresham@mtco.com wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kenneth Gresham" <kgresham@mtco.com>
>
> I am looking for suggestions for routing antenna cables (nav, comm, and
> transponder) and 12 volt wiring from aft of baggage bay. This is a tri-gear
> and I think I would prefer going through the center tunnel but I do not know
> what problems this may present. I am installing the finger brakes so there is
> access through the top front of tunnel just below the panel. Would a conduit
> bonded to the floor work? Do I need to separate antenna cables from other
> wires, if so, by how far? I need to bond on top of fuselage and want to do all
> steps possible with it off.
>
> Ken Gresham
> A268
>
>
>
>
>
>
Ken,
I took a piece of 3" PVC slightly longer than the doorsill and quartered it
length wise so to make a mold to temporarily place under the doorsill from
the inside flange of the doorsill to the wall of the fuselage. Cut it in
half and place it from the rear to the middle, and one piece from the front
to the middle of the doorsill. This is important, as later you will need to
pull them out. I covered them in clear packaging tape and a little grease
before I placed them so as to act as a release agent. Then I made a 2 ply
tape on plastic the length of the doorsill as its called to do inside the
wing lay-ups. After scuffing the sill & wall with sandpaper, I place the
lay-ups on the PVC the whole length of the door seal over lapping onto the
wall and the door flange by at least 1 inch. After Its cured pull the PVC
out and you will have a nice strong doorsill with a tunnel to send all your
wires through. Not to mention it will be lighter than if the conduit stayed
in there. Plus it makes the doorsill stronger as well as less intrusive when
your arm is against it later when youre flying. Something I learned at
Flight Crafters. If its possible and you havent been there, go & take
pictures, or better yet, go and do some building there. It's great to see 10
or 20 other planes in stages in front of you.
Jeff
A258 Engine installed, still Fitting cowling with landing light.
Contemplating the perfect simple panel and engine monitoring system.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
Ken,
many builders make a conduit under the door sills. that
presents two disadvantages: the top has to go on first
(i did all wiring with the top off), and the new kit from
europa for more shoulder room probably modifies the
door sills.
karl
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