---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 02/06/04: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:00 PM - Navigatin lighting (Kenneth Gresham) 2. 03:01 PM - Europa Wiring Harness (rlborger) 3. 03:50 PM - Re: Europa Wiring Harness (Rob Housman) 4. 03:50 PM - Re: Navigatin lighting (Rob Housman) 5. 06:52 PM - Transponder Testing (MJKTuck@cs.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:00:04 PM PST US From: "Kenneth Gresham" Subject: Europa-List: Navigatin lighting --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kenneth Gresham" I would like to know what is required lighting in U.S. for night VFR and later possibly IFR. Is wing lighting with colored front, strobe center, and white at rear of same fixture adequate? If not please give lights and specific locations. I would like to keep wiring to rear of fuselage to a minimum. I intend to run wing tip wiring through a conduit since this is a composite airframe Any other thoughts or suggestions are appreciated. Ken Gresham Europa Kit # A268 Rigging wings ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:01:56 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Europa Wiring Harness From: rlborger --> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger Fellow Europaphiles: I'm in the process of installing the Europa Wiring Harness. The two main cables from the battery have large bolts and nuts on the firewall end. These bolts are supposed to pass through the firewall and, in that way, provide +12v & ground/earth to both sides. Europa is quite explicit about how far from the starboard side the bolts are to be positioned. The +12v bolt is to be installed 5.5 inches from the starboard side and the ground/earth bolt is to be installed 7.5 inches from the starboard side. There is no instruction as to how far up the firewall from the top of the passenger foot well they are to be placed. Does anyone out there have the factory locations or a recommendation for their placement? Thanks, good building and happy flying, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S (60+%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, working chapters 23 Fuselage Top, 24 Instrument Panel & 25 Electrical. 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:50:11 PM PST US From: "Rob Housman" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa Wiring Harness --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" Oh yes, I do indeed have a recommendation, having found out the hard way. Unless you are absolutely certain where everything else will be located on either side of the firewall do not drill any holes for the wiring yet, including those to mount the ground terminal strip. As in a few other instances (such as the Europa fuel drain valve kit that puts the drains under the specified location for the battery - gee, that was a clever one) the factory ignores the possibility of a builder installing something not included with the kit, so you must plan ahead. Whether or not you follow the factory's recommendation check that the firewall end of the harness will clear the instrument panel molding on the starboard side. I ran the harness along the starboard side just under the door sill and located the brass bolts just above the starboard footwell but had to cut the panel molding for clearance. Since the bolts could not be installed any lower on the firewall I don't see how cutting the molding could have been avoided. The harness is quite a bit longer than needed if the firewall pass through bolts are located per the factory. I expect to cut the #4 cables shorter by about 2 feet to avoid having an unnecessary loop at the battery. If you elect to place the pass through bolts anywhere else keep in mind that the #4 cables forward of the firewall are rather short thus limiting your choice of locations. Best regards, Rob Housman Europa XS Tri-Gear A070 Airframe complete Irvine, CA -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of rlborger Subject: Europa-List: Europa Wiring Harness --> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger Fellow Europaphiles: I'm in the process of installing the Europa Wiring Harness. The two main cables from the battery have large bolts and nuts on the firewall end. These bolts are supposed to pass through the firewall and, in that way, provide +12v & ground/earth to both sides. Europa is quite explicit about how far from the starboard side the bolts are to be positioned. The +12v bolt is to be installed 5.5 inches from the starboard side and the ground/earth bolt is to be installed 7.5 inches from the starboard side. There is no instruction as to how far up the firewall from the top of the passenger foot well they are to be placed. Does anyone out there have the factory locations or a recommendation for their placement? Thanks, good building and happy flying, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S (60+%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, working chapters 23 Fuselage Top, 24 Instrument Panel & 25 Electrical. 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:50:11 PM PST US From: "Rob Housman" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Navigatin lighting --> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" The basic rules for both VFR and IFR operations are explained in FAR 91.205; the pertinent paragraphs are... (c) Visual flight rules (night). For VFR flight at night, the following instruments and equipment are required: (1) Instruments and equipment specified in paragraph (b) of this section. (2) Approved position lights. (3) An approved aviation red or aviation white anticollision light system on all U.S.-registered civil aircraft. Anticollision light systems initially installed after August 11, 1971, on aircraft for which a type certificate was issued or applied for before August 11, 1971, must at least meet the anticollision light standards of part 23, 25, 27, or 29 of this chapter, as applicable, that were in effect on August 10, 1971, except that the color may be either aviation red or aviation white. In the event of failure of any light of the anticollision light system, operations with the aircraft may be continued to a stop where repairs or replacement can be made. (4) If the aircraft is operated for hire, one electric landing light. Of course, Item (4) does not apply to us. Specifications for all lights are given in FAR 23.1381 through 23.1401 but there is too much detail to include in this message. If you are a member of AOPA you can get this and additional details at http://www.aopa.org/members/files/fars/ ...and before someone points out that our experimental aircraft don't need to comply with the FARs for factory built aircraft, keep in mind that it might be difficult to convince the FAA inspector to grant your airworthiness certificate if you deviate too much from the rules for factory built aircraft. Installing TSO'd lights seems the safest (in both senses). Best regards, Rob Housman Europa XS Tri-Gear A070 Airframe complete Irvine, CA -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kenneth Gresham Subject: Europa-List: Navigatin lighting --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kenneth Gresham" I would like to know what is required lighting in U.S. for night VFR and later possibly IFR. Is wing lighting with colored front, strobe center, and white at rear of same fixture adequate? If not please give lights and specific locations. I would like to keep wiring to rear of fuselage to a minimum. I intend to run wing tip wiring through a conduit since this is a composite airframe Any other thoughts or suggestions are appreciated. Ken Gresham Europa Kit # A268 Rigging wings ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:45 PM PST US From: MJKTuck@cs.com Subject: Europa-List: Transponder Testing --> Europa-List message posted by: MJKTuck@cs.com Hi Folks, I'm still trying to find a way of testing my transponder (and Mode C) without having to pull the panel to take it into the radio shop and have them test it. Where are the definitions of what constitutes a 'test'? Obviously it's more than just calling up ATC and asking them if they 'can see me' and have them confirm your altitude (or is it?). Does my repairman certificate allow me to do the testing? How about fitting one of those ATD-300 Traffic Watch/Alerts (www.monroyaero.com) which can tell you what your transponder is transmitting? This way you can see if your transponder is sending out bum info (as it did for me before I declared it U/S) before air traffic tells you, and also alert you of potential traffic conflicts. Any thoughts? Regards, Martin Tuck N152MT Wichita, Kansas