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1. 01:52 AM - Re: Transponder Testing (Ami McFadyean)
2. 05:02 AM - Re: Cruise power setting (Jim Brown)
3. 05:57 AM - Re: First flight (well, almost) (Paul McAllister)
4. 06:02 AM - EIS 4000 (Paul McAllister)
5. 07:19 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 02/07/04 (Stephen D. Streiker)
6. 07:33 AM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 02/07/04 (Dale G. HetriG Hetrick)
7. 08:26 AM - Re: Cruise power setting (Garry Stout)
8. 12:18 PM - Re: Navigatin lighting (owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com)
9. 01:11 PM - Anyone got a UK approved heater mod for a Classic 912? (Pete Lawless)
10. 02:56 PM - Hat Drop (P.A.D.Clarke)
11. 02:56 PM - Dehumidifier (Davidghillam@aol.com)
12. 04:26 PM - Wing Spar Pins (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
13. 04:48 PM - Re: Wing Spar Pins (Cliff Shaw)
14. 04:57 PM - Re: Wing Spar Pins (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
15. 05:10 PM - Re: Wing Spar Pins (Kevin Klinefelter)
16. 06:58 PM - Re: Wing Spar Pins (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
17. 07:00 PM - Re: EIS 4000 (Troy Maynor)
18. 07:30 PM - Re: Cruise power setting (Bill & Sue Sisley)
19. 07:32 PM - Re: Wing Spar Pins (KARL HEINDL)
20. 07:41 PM - Chamfering access panels (Dan Bish)
21. 09:28 PM - Re: First flight (well, almost) (Paul Boulet)
22. 09:45 PM - Re: Wing Spar Pins (Kenneth Gresham)
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| Subject: | Re: Transponder Testing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Or see
http://www.cozybuilders.org/cad_files/mode_c_tester.html
for starters, but proper certification also required.
Also, transponder testers sell for USD100 or so on Ebay. But I don't know
what's involved in testing the tester!
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: <irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Transponder Testing
> --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: MJKTuck@cs.com
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I'm still trying to find a way of testing my transponder (and Mode C)
> without
> having to pull the panel to take it into the radio shop and have them test
>
> it.
>
> Where are the definitions of what constitutes a 'test'? Obviously it's
> more
> than just calling up ATC and asking them if they 'can see me' and have
> them
> confirm your altitude (or is it?).
>
>
> In the US, all a/c flying class B,C airspace or IFR requires a
> certificated biannual calibration of transponder encoder.
> This requires a trip to an avionics shop, or a "house call" by the
> avionics technician.
>
> The test in no way requires pulling the equipment.
>
> A test box is attached to your pitot and static probes (or elsewhere to
> the tubing) and set
> to generate a set of pressures. They check for leak and for calibration.
> They check to see
> what your transponder is sending as altitude. They then stamp your
> airframe logbook
> and date it.
>
> My recent venture to MAC Avionics at Lakeland cost me $225 but we spent
> over two
> hours playing with and calibrating my EFIS system.
>
> Ira N224XS (now officially airworthy!!!)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cruise power setting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
Hans-Peter
I run my same setup in cruise at 5300 RPM and 33" MP
Jim Brown
500+ hrs. flying N398JB
Hans - Peter Reusser wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Hans - Peter Reusser" <hpreusser@tiscalinet.ch>
>
> Hello
>
> I am doing some prelimenary planning of the elektrical system and am
> interested in the typical cruise power RPM setting for the Rotax 914 engine
> with an airmaster CS prop.
> I need this to evaluate the power output of an alternator mounted to the
> vacum pump drive of the engine.
>
> Thank you for your help.
>
> Hans-Peter #498 XS
> On closing the wings.
>
> *****************************************************************
>
> Hans-Peter und Christa Reusser Tel: +41 (33) 654 00 24
> Spiezbergstr. 13 Fax: +41 (33) 654 30 21
> 3700 Spiez E-mail: hpreusser@tiscalinet.ch
>
> *****************************************************************
>
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| Subject: | Re: First flight (well, almost) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi Paul,
> 2. We had to adjust the flaps for full deflection- they were just a
couple degrees off but that was enough so that when the came down the
outriggers did not fully deploy which left them as a hazard to retraction
I'd be interested to know how you adujsted out the uneven engagement of the
outriggers.
> 3. center of gravity was too far forward- Is your battery on the
firewall.
> 8. The biggest trouble we had was the Grand Rapids EIS (Engine Info.
System).
Since I have one of these little devils I'd be interested to know what the
resolution it. I agree by the way, very helpful people, great to do
business with.
Regards, Paul
Getting ready to move it to the airport....
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
Is anyone out there using one of these, or are most people using the EIS 2000 ?
I have just upgraded mine to the 4000, mostly because it offers 6 auxiliary
ports instead of 2. In addition it will display trending information which is
very useful to know for CHT's when taxing around.
My question is, if I wanted to monitor all 4 CHT's, where can I put the other 2
sensors. The engine only has a place for 2. Would under the head bolt work,
or, is it possible to get it under the spark plug.
Paul
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| Subject: | RE: Europa-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 02/07/04 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Stephen D. Streiker" <steve@streiker.net>
Looking for a completed or nearly completed Europa...
Steve Streiker
steve@streiker.net
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Europa-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 02/07/04 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dale G. HetriG Hetrick" <gdale2@juno.com>
Steve,
A friend of mine has his Mono-wheel with a Jabiru 3300 engine for sale.
He's in California. Write to me off-line if you are interested.
Dale
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| Subject: | Re: Cruise power setting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Garry Stout" <garrys@tampabay.rr.com>
Hans-Peter,
My typical cruise setting is 32" MP, and 4900-5000 RPM. The higher RPM (eg:
5300) doesn't seem to improve my cruise speed much but does add to the noise
level.
Garry Stout
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Brown" <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cruise power setting
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
>
> Hans-Peter
>
> I run my same setup in cruise at 5300 RPM and 33" MP
>
> Jim Brown
> 500+ hrs. flying N398JB
>
>
> Hans - Peter Reusser wrote:
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Hans - Peter Reusser"
<hpreusser@tiscalinet.ch>
> >
> > Hello
> >
> > I am doing some prelimenary planning of the elektrical system and am
> > interested in the typical cruise power RPM setting for the Rotax 914
engine
> > with an airmaster CS prop.
> > I need this to evaluate the power output of an alternator mounted to the
> > vacum pump drive of the engine.
> >
> > Thank you for your help.
> >
> > Hans-Peter #498 XS
> > On closing the wings.
> >
> > *****************************************************************
> >
> > Hans-Peter und Christa Reusser Tel: +41 (33) 654 00 24
> > Spiezbergstr. 13 Fax: +41 (33) 654 30 21
> > 3700 Spiez E-mail: hpreusser@tiscalinet.ch
> >
> > *****************************************************************
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Navigatin lighting |
--> Europa-List message posted by:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kenneth Gresham" <kgresham@mtco.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Navigatin lighting
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kenneth Gresham" <kgresham@mtco.com>
>
> I would like to know what is required lighting in U.S. for night VFR and
later possibly IFR. Is wing lighting with colored front, strobe center, and
white at rear of same fixture adequate? If not please give lights and
specific locations. I would like to keep wiring to rear of fuselage to a
minimum. I intend to run wing tip wiring through a conduit since this is a
composite airframe Any other thoughts or suggestions are appreciated.
>
> Ken Gresham
> Europa Kit # A268 Rigging wings
>
>
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| Subject: | Anyone got a UK approved heater mod for a Classic 912? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
Hi All
If you have an approved mod to add a heater using the factory muff on the
exhaust I would be grateful to know the details. I just want to add a
heater boxes from Vans to each footwell. PFA want a full mod process so
shortcuts would be welcome.
Thanks
Pete Lawless
---
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "P.A.D.Clarke" <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
Hi All,
In the true spirit of the hat droppers ( Its 2300 Sunday evening) I
fancy Leicester tomorrow ( Mon 9th ). Can't help with directions - never been
there, voucher is in Pilot. May see someone there?.
Cheers, Paddy Clarke
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Davidghillam@aol.com
Hi,
Now that my Europa is complete, I have a redundant dehumidifier. I found it
essential when doing resin work and painting with Polyfiber.
From memory, I think it cost over 100GBP. Any sensible offer accepted.
Located Gloucestershire/Wiltshire border.
David Hillam
G-SHSH
Replies off-line, or telephone 01666 890 390
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Good day All,
Question - for those that are flying or are past the wing angle of incidence
setup stage.... the two wing spar pins that hold the wings together to the
CM......one is a nice smooth PIP pin while the other is a threaded bolt with an
Allen wrench welded to it. Have people changed this threaded bolt to the PIP
pin, or some other more suitable pin? I have set the wings in place twice now
and while the PIP pin is still a little snug to get in, I can do it. While the
other side snags on the threaded portion until my wife joggles the wings in
order for it to get into place. Am I not seeing some use for the threaded bolt
that comes later on?
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
CM & rudder pedals with cables installed. Working on tailwheel and baggage
bay. Trial fit of top and both wings. The wings fit (sorta)! Conventional gear
soon.
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Spar Pins |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Mike
I think you missed a step. On both Europas I have built, I cut the threads
off that bolt. It still may be a tight fit. Some people do replace the
starboard bolt for a PIP pin. I don't think it matters much. With a PIP
pin you will not have to build the "keeper" for the allen wrench end of the
bolt. That might be worth it.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
Main gear sockets bonded in. Filling the belley ): .
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Spar Pins |
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
In a message dated 2/8/2004 7:26:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
DuaneFamly@aol.com writes:
> Question - for those that are flying or are past the wing angle of
> incidence
> setup stage.... the two wing spar pins that hold the wings together to the
> CM......one is a nice smooth PIP pin while the other is a threaded bolt with
> an
> Allen wrench welded to it. Have people changed this threaded bolt to the PIP
>
> pin, or some other more suitable pin? I have set the wings in place twice
> now
> and while the PIP pin is still a little snug to get in, I can do it. While
> the
> other side snags on the threaded portion until my wife joggles the wings in
> order for it to get into place. Am I not seeing some use for the threaded
> bolt
> that comes later on?
Hi Mike,
I had the same problem with my pins, very snug fit until I set my incidence.
When you pull a string from wing tip to wing tip and properly align the wings
for the incidence and setting of the forward and aft drag pins the spar pins
will slide in with little or no effort. You might need to wiggle the wings a
bit, but this is common on $100K sailplanes too. Whatever you do don't ream the
bushes or file the pins!
Regards,
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
Hi Mike,
Step 15 on page 27-14 of my manual says cut the threads off.
I am not sure why Europa does not supply a pip pin for the stbd side.
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
DuaneFamly@aol.com
Subject: Europa-List: Wing Spar Pins
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Good day All,
Question - for those that are flying or are past the wing angle of incidence
setup stage.... the two wing spar pins that hold the wings together to the
CM......one is a nice smooth PIP pin while the other is a threaded bolt with
an
Allen wrench welded to it. Have people changed this threaded bolt to the PIP
pin, or some other more suitable pin? I have set the wings in place twice
now
and while the PIP pin is still a little snug to get in, I can do it. While
the
other side snags on the threaded portion until my wife joggles the wings in
order for it to get into place. Am I not seeing some use for the threaded
bolt
that comes later on?
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
CM & rudder pedals with cables installed. Working on tailwheel and baggage
bay. Trial fit of top and both wings. The wings fit (sorta)! Conventional
gear
soon.
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Spar Pins |
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
In a message dated 2/8/2004 8:10:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, kevann@gte.net
writes:
> I am not sure why Europa does not supply a pip pin for the stbd side.
Hi Kevin,
Actually, I helped John Hurst take the wings off the demo motor glider at the
SSA convention in Atlanta yesterday and he had pip pins on both sides.
Regards,
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
They make CHT sensors that go between the spark plug and head.
Troy Maynor
N120EU Monowheel Classic
Left to finish:
Paint,interior,engine install, wiring.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul
> McAllister
> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 9:02 AM
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: EIS 4000
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
> <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Is anyone out there using one of these, or are most people using
> the EIS 2000 ? I have just upgraded mine to the 4000, mostly
> because it offers 6 auxiliary ports instead of 2. In addition it
> will display trending information which is very useful to know
> for CHT's when taxing around.
>
> My question is, if I wanted to monitor all 4 CHT's, where can I
> put the other 2 sensors. The engine only has a place for 2.
> Would under the head bolt work, or, is it possible to get it
> under the spark plug.
>
> Paul
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cruise power setting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bill & Sue Sisley" <bill.sue@zip.co.nz>
I cruise at 5000rpm @ 30"MP and get 130 knots or better.
ZK CHV
155hrs
Sue and Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Garry Stout" <garrys@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cruise power setting
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Garry Stout" <garrys@tampabay.rr.com>
>
> Hans-Peter,
> My typical cruise setting is 32" MP, and 4900-5000 RPM. The higher RPM
(eg:
> 5300) doesn't seem to improve my cruise speed much but does add to the
noise
> level.
>
> Garry Stout
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Brown" <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cruise power setting
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
> >
> > Hans-Peter
> >
> > I run my same setup in cruise at 5300 RPM and 33" MP
> >
> > Jim Brown
> > 500+ hrs. flying N398JB
> >
> >
> > Hans - Peter Reusser wrote:
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Hans - Peter Reusser"
> <hpreusser@tiscalinet.ch>
> > >
> > > Hello
> > >
> > > I am doing some prelimenary planning of the elektrical system and am
> > > interested in the typical cruise power RPM setting for the Rotax 914
> engine
> > > with an airmaster CS prop.
> > > I need this to evaluate the power output of an alternator mounted to
the
> > > vacum pump drive of the engine.
> > >
> > > Thank you for your help.
> > >
> > > Hans-Peter #498 XS
> > > On closing the wings.
> > >
> > > *****************************************************************
> > >
> > > Hans-Peter und Christa Reusser Tel: +41 (33) 654 00 24
> > > Spiezbergstr. 13 Fax: +41 (33) 654 30 21
> > > 3700 Spiez E-mail: hpreusser@tiscalinet.ch
> > >
> > > *****************************************************************
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
I use pip pins for both sides, it's well worth it. Also, I believe it is
acceptable to file down the 'shoulder' of the pins for an easier
insertion.
Karl
>From: DuaneFamly@aol.com
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Europa-List: Wing Spar Pins
>Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 19:25:26 EST
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
>
>Good day All,
>
>Question - for those that are flying or are past the wing angle of
>incidence
>setup stage.... the two wing spar pins that hold the wings together to the
>CM......one is a nice smooth PIP pin while the other is a threaded bolt
>with an
>Allen wrench welded to it. Have people changed this threaded bolt to the
>PIP
>pin, or some other more suitable pin? I have set the wings in place twice
>now
>and while the PIP pin is still a little snug to get in, I can do it. While
>the
>other side snags on the threaded portion until my wife joggles the wings in
>order for it to get into place. Am I not seeing some use for the threaded
>bolt
>that comes later on?
>
>
>Mike Duane A207
>Redding, California
>XS Conventional Gear
>CM & rudder pedals with cables installed. Working on tailwheel and baggage
>bay. Trial fit of top and both wings. The wings fit (sorta)! Conventional
>gear
>soon.
>
>
http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger
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| Subject: | Chamfering access panels |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dan Bish" <danbish@norwalktucson.com>
Hi all,
I was wondering if there's a simple tool & technique to chamfering the edges around
the access panels around the tailplane. Page 23-3 of the manual says to chamfer
back 10-15mm at about 45 degrees which looks doable, just wondering what's
the best tool to use to do this without going all the way through the skin.
Thanks,
Dan
A144
Tucson, AZ
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| Subject: | First flight (well, almost) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet <possibletodo@yahoo.com>
Hi Kevin;
My battery is under the baggage area. I'm not sure of the model number on the
B&C but John Hurst can put you in touch with them if you want one. Don't despair
about being so far behind me.... I lost my build partner early in the process
and then adopted a baby boy... between all that I knew the plane would not
get finished if I didn't employ Phoenix Composites... I've spent thousands with
them....
Paul
Kevin Klinefelter <kevann@gte.net> wrote:
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter"
Hi Paul,
Congratulations, almost. Thanks for posting your list of things that needed
work. I have a couple questions.
With regards to the Weight & Balance, where do you have the battery mounted?
And which B&C alternator do you have?
I am very excited to see how close to flying you are. We got our kits on the
same day, but I am what seems like miles behind you.
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul Boulet
Subject: Europa-List: First flight (well, almost)
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Boulet
Hi All;
I thought you'd be interested in my tale of first flight... this one was
unsuccessful which I have not seen reported before.
I arrived at Phoenix, Arizona with Kim Prout (West Coast distributor) for an
inspection prior to flight. We found several errors which we spent the next
three days correcting. Items were as follows:
1. A lot of trimming of the rear of the wings was required so that the
ailerons would hit their full left and right stops. Then of course we had
to adjust the linkage to keep the travel within specs.
2. We had to adjust the flaps for full deflection- they were just a couple
degrees off but that was enough so that when the came down the outriggers
did not fully deploy which left them as a hazard to retraction
3. center of gravity was too far forward- altho within limits it was at the
upper range of limits. The plane is quite heavy at 893 pounds without paint
and upholstery. I have the 914 engine, the B&C Alternator and a full panel
of avionics. It killed me to add another 10 pounds just in front of the
tailspring
4. The rudder pedals were sticking or hanging up somewhere still to be
solved... required very heavy forces to move them
5. The leading edge of the wings had primer rolled onto them which Kim said
was too rough... spent an hour or two sanding them smooth with wet sand 320
grit
6. The oil return line was not heat shielded and only an inch or so away
from the exhaust
7. The ailerons were not balanced well enough and more lead had to be
drilled from the counterbalances
8. The biggest trouble we had was the Grand Rapids EIS (Engine Info.
System). We could not get it to read accurately... jumped from screen to
screen. We tested for proper grounding in several areas and ways... also
replaced the presssure transducer... also contacted Grand Rapids. They were
very helpful but many hours later we still could not get confidence in any
of the readings. Grand Rapids is shipping us a new one which we'll install
later this week. In the meantime Kim and I had to get back to California so
first flight will wait another few weeks or more.....sigh
Thanks to everyone's support in helping me realize this dream
Paul Boulet, N914PB
Malibu, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Spar Pins |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kenneth Gresham" <kgresham@mtco.com>
Duane,
The plain pin is to have the threads cut off. The total length from under
the head is 3-3/8" , page 27-14 in builders manual. It's mentioned after the
work you describe and this has been one of my comlaints on the manual. The
writer often assumes we builders should already understand some of these
things, especially the "little things". Good luck, and hope this helps.
Ken Gresham
A268 Wings rigged
----- Original Message -----
From: <DuaneFamly@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Wing Spar Pins
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
>
> Good day All,
>
> Question - for those that are flying or are past the wing angle of
incidence
> setup stage.... the two wing spar pins that hold the wings together to the
> CM......one is a nice smooth PIP pin while the other is a threaded bolt
with an
> Allen wrench welded to it. Have people changed this threaded bolt to the
PIP
> pin, or some other more suitable pin? I have set the wings in place twice
now
> and while the PIP pin is still a little snug to get in, I can do it. While
the
> other side snags on the threaded portion until my wife joggles the wings
in
> order for it to get into place. Am I not seeing some use for the threaded
bolt
> that comes later on?
>
>
> Mike Duane A207
> Redding, California
> XS Conventional Gear
> CM & rudder pedals with cables installed. Working on tailwheel and baggage
> bay. Trial fit of top and both wings. The wings fit (sorta)! Conventional
gear
> soon.
>
>
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