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1. 12:51 PM - Fuel system info please (Ronald J. Parigoris)
2. 01:16 PM - Re: Rear access panels (Alan Twigg)
3. 04:40 PM - Baggage By cover (Alan Stills)
4. 06:44 PM - Re: Fuel system info please (Steve Hagar)
5. 06:55 PM - Re: Baggage By cover (ScramIt@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Fuel system info please |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Getting close to bonding in Cockpit Module, figure should sort out the game plan
for
fuel system.
Have a few questions. Will be using 914 on XS Monowheel.
1) Instead of using the supplied filters, has anyone used 2 Andair Gasculator/Filters,
one for each fuel pump? How many hours flight time, ever have any clogging or flow
problems because of the fine mesh?
2) I am not too keen on having vent on the top of the fuse. Would like to install
on
the bottom.
A) What size vent line to use that pokes out the bottom of the fuse?
B) What shape vent line, Straight with a 45 degree cut off facing into the
wind or
a bent into the wind vent?
C) How far below the fuse to let the vent stick out so it is not under a vacuum?
D) Has anyone run 2 vents instead of 1?
E) What is a good location of vent on Mono?
3) As far as routing the vent lines, you need to go up and if plumbed into the
filler,
it would act as a siphon break. What is a good way to somehow plumb into the filler
neck and get a good seal?
Thanks
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: Rear access panels |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Twigg" <alan.twigg@ntlworld.com>
James,
Thanks for that, I was intending to keep thge three inch hole for trim
motor, guess I'm'e a smarty pants, I have fitted anchor nuts for the trim
motor and a 5 pin plug, my moto being, if it can let you down, it will.
I work on big Lockheed beasts for a living, this moto is proven every day!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Nelson" <europajim@juno.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rear access panels
> --> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
>
> Alan,
> Do what ever you need to get an access port in the rear that
> allows you to do maint. on the tail wheel operating system. I put in a
> 6" O.D. , ( 5" opening) in my port side to do that. I also put one the
> same size forward of the bulkhead. This allows me to "see" and work on
> anything in this area. I also put in a 4" ( 3" opening) up on the port
> side near the front of the rudder. This port was placed with the position
> that I would need to replace the trim motor sometime in the future. So
> place it with that in mind. With these openings I can remove anything or
> fix anything necessary in this area. I put on my top and forgot to put
> on locking nuts that hold the trim motor in place. By removing the top
> opening and putting my arm into the lower port I could use my ratchet to
> loosen the nuts and replace them with the correct nuts. Boy am I glad I
> had the openings. Put them on the same side so you can see and work
> through them. I'm in the USA but maintenance on the rear requires
> access. So if you don't have any one who has done this, go through the
> governmental pain in rear to get it done. Having been through my first
> yearly inspection, I was VERY glad the ports were there. Remember, out
> of sight / out of mind. Not a good thing in aviation.
>
> Jim Nelson
> N15JN
>
>
> On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:59:37 -0000 "Alan Twigg"
> <alan.twigg@ntlworld.com> writes:
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Twigg"
> > <alan.twigg@ntlworld.com>
> >
> > I have fitted Graham Singleton's Rudder / Tailwheel mod, I have
> > fitted cable adjusters that terminate at the rudder yolk on the
> > tailplane bulkhead.
> > I would like to put an access panel on the port side in front of the
> > tailplane bulkhead, instead of the further forward one on the
> > Fuselage top.
> > Has anyone already done the work for this, PFA wise, thus saving me
> > some hassle.
> >
> > Cheers Alan Twigg
> > Motorglider G-GIWT, just about to put the top on.
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > ==================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Baggage By cover |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stills" <astills785@earthlink.net>
Did anyone else run into the problem of the opening in the baggage bay bulkhead
being too large for the access panel? should have checked b-4 cutting out but
too late now. If so did you repair it to the "high" side or "low" side of the
opening. Looks like i'll have to place some bid in one spot or the other to repair.
Al Stills
A095
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| Subject: | Fuel system info please |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Ron:
A bunch of questions indeed. I haven't done any flying with the setup yet
but have filled the system to the brim and run the pumps for an extended
length of time.
I used the replaceable element filters under the seats with an isolation
valve just upstream of each to catch any gross debris. I installed the
Andair filter/water separator downstream of the pumps where the lines come
together. The Andairs are kind of expensive to be using two of them. There
is a bottom access panel here and the 2 sump drains are also located here.
I have seen this done on others web pages.
I put 2 vents down low on the fuselage. Using the same configuration as
noted for the top. They come out under the right rear wing root
approximately under the rear drag socket a little shy of 2" from the
fuselage surface. Assuming the area under the wing is a high pressure area
when not flying upside down.
I plumbed the hoses into the very top of the fuel manifold using brass NPT
fittings. Drilled a very tight clearance hole, put a 90 degree elbow on the
outside and screwed the NPT nipple through from the inside making a
generous Redux fillet on each side. A T is then attached with one side
going to the tank and one going down to the vent. The second vent is going
to be T'ed in after I get the extended range tank plumbed in. It will be
used for that in addition to acting as a backup for the primary one.
Steve Hagar
A143 Mesa, AZ
hagargs@earthlink.net
> [Original Message]
> From: Ronald J. Parigoris <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 2/11/04 1:50:17 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: Fuel system info please
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris"
<rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
>
> Getting close to bonding in Cockpit Module, figure should sort out the
game plan for
> fuel system.
>
> Have a few questions. Will be using 914 on XS Monowheel.
>
> 1) Instead of using the supplied filters, has anyone used 2 Andair
Gasculator/Filters,
> one for each fuel pump? How many hours flight time, ever have any
clogging or flow
> problems because of the fine mesh?
>
> 2) I am not too keen on having vent on the top of the fuse. Would like to
install on
> the bottom.
> A) What size vent line to use that pokes out the bottom of the fuse?
> B) What shape vent line, Straight with a 45 degree cut off facing
into the wind or
> a bent into the wind vent?
> C) How far below the fuse to let the vent stick out so it is not
under a vacuum?
> D) Has anyone run 2 vents instead of 1?
> E) What is a good location of vent on Mono?
>
> 3) As far as routing the vent lines, you need to go up and if plumbed
into the filler,
> it would act as a siphon break. What is a good way to somehow plumb into
the filler
> neck and get a good seal?
>
> Thanks
>
> Ron Parigoris
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage By cover |
--> Europa-List message posted by: ScramIt@aol.com
I had the opposite problem. The guy who cut my access cover from the mold
must have just got back from "Lunch" the flange went from 1" to less than 1/2 in
spots. I put release tape on the bulk head. Fit the access panel in filled all
the gaps with flox and put two ply 1" new flange on top.
So now the access panel is flush and seamless, I love a happy ending...
SteveD
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