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1. 02:02 AM - fuel system info (Graham Singleton)
2. 02:44 AM - Re: Fuel system info please (David Joyce)
3. 04:53 AM - Re: 1/8 NTP tap (Jim Puglise)
4. 05:54 AM - Re: 1/8 NTP tap (John & Amy Eckel)
5. 06:35 AM - Re: 1/8 NTP tap (rlborger)
6. 06:36 AM - Re: 1/8 NTP tap (n3eu@comcast.net)
7. 06:37 AM - Re: Fuel system info please (Fergus Kyle)
8. 07:39 AM - Re: 1/8 NPT tap (Dan Youngquist)
9. 09:27 AM - Australia trip (Alan Twigg)
10. 12:07 PM - Re: fuel system info (Ami McFadyean)
11. 05:15 PM - Flap root extensions (Kenneth Gresham)
12. 05:22 PM - 1/8 NPT tap (John & Paddy Wigney)
13. 05:27 PM - Re: Re: 1/8 NPT tap (Dan Youngquist)
14. 05:50 PM - Re: Flap root extensions (Kevin Klinefelter)
15. 06:00 PM - Re: 1/8 NTP tap (Paul McAllister)
16. 06:28 PM - Re: 1/8 NPT tap (Paul McAllister)
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| Subject: | fuel system info |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 12/02/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>For the first few hours
>there was a reasonable amount of gunge on the screen but this settled within
>10 hrs, and since then it would not really have mattered to have left the
>screen unchecked/unwashed for 50 hrs or more, (but I do filter my petrol on
>its way into the tank). I also have a lo fuel pressure warning switch
The filter used when refueling MUST be finer mesh than the gascolator,
otherwise it can let through stuff that could block the gascolator.
One case of fine rust particles getting through a Mr Funnel filter
120micron I think, which then blocked the 70 micron Andair filter.
Graham
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel system info please |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Ferg, I have an Andair gascolator with drain plug above an access flap under
the baggage bay. For a mono this is as low as you can get. and it is plumbed
between the selector valve and the pumps.
My purpose in mailing is to say that I have never in +/- 200 hrs seen
the least suspicion of water, and you might think that the UK is the ideal
water producing climate. Whether this is due to plastic fuel tanks not
encouraging condensation or due to the alcohol in Mogas (which I use most of
the time) dissolving it I don't know, but it does suggest that you might be
wasting money and weight putting in multiple drain points. Regards, David
914 mono XS
----- Original Message -----
From: Fergus Kyle <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel system info please
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
> Subject: Europa-List: Fuel system info please
> game plan for fuel system.|
> Gasculator/Filters, one for each fuel pump? How many hours flight time,
ever
> have any clogging or flow problems because of the fine mesh?
> Ron:
> I took my stance from many hours on a T6 (Harvard) . The tanks
hold
> fuel from one flight to the next. To establish if water has develloped in
> the staorage, we dripped the bottom of the tanks (water drains) - so I
> installed the Europa mod water drains, one for each side. To find if water
> has develloped in the rest of the system, we dripped the gascolator
(Andair
> if you wish) which was the last thing to serve the engine, thus catching
any
> in the lines - so I installed an Andair gascolator in the feed line.
> The drains catch the water (mostly) and the gascolator catches
water
> plus solids in the cup. So the routine is to drip the drains before every
> trip and then the gascolator. If you refuel enroute, the chances of the
> drains collecting water in a hurry is more remote but the gacolator can be
> dripped, or the cup emptied for foreign gas bits.
> I am not ready to fly, but that's my plan anyway.
> Cheers, Ferg
>
to
> install on
into
> the wind or
under
> a vacuum?
into
> the filler,
> the filler
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Puglise" <jim_puglise@hotmail.com>
You might want to check www.harborfreight.com
Jim FL
>From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>Reply-To: europa-list@matronics.com
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Europa-List: 1/8 NTP tap
>Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:11:14 -0800
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
><paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
>Hi all,
>
>Can some one suggest a US based mail order house that would sell 1/8 NTP
>taps. I can't find them in AC Spruce and the only other tool supplier that
>I use is http://www.use-enco.com/ and they don't seem to have them listed
>either.
>
>Thanks, Paul
>
>
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Accelerator. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
Paul,
Try
http://www.mcmaster.com/
I understand they will sell small quantities to individuals.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Subject: Europa-List: 1/8 NTP tap
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Can some one suggest a US based mail order house that would sell 1/8 NTP
taps. I can't find them in AC Spruce and the only other tool supplier that
I use is http://www.use-enco.com/ and they don't seem to have them listed
either.
>
> Thanks, Paul
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
Paul,
Try McMaster-Carr (http://www.mcmaster.com). These guys sell just
about everything involved with fabrication. If you can't find it
there, it probably isn't available anywhere.
> Hi all,
>
> Can some one suggest a US based mail order house that would
> sell 1/8 NTP taps. I can't find them in AC Spruce and the
> only other tool supplier that I use is http://www.use-enco.com/
> and they don't seem to have them listed either.
>
> Thanks, Paul
Good building,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
(60%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, working chapters 23
Fuselage Top, 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical & 29 Main Gear.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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--> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
>
> Can some one suggest a US based mail order house that would sell 1/8 NTP taps. I can't find them in AC Spruce and the only other tool supplier that I use is http://www.use-enco.com/ and they don't seem to have them listed either.
>
> Thanks, Paul
If you have any of them "old fashioned" hardware stores still around, try there.
Nearest one to me has 'em, and price thereof was less than shipping & handling
alone via mail order.
Regards,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel system info please |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel system info please
| Ferg, I have an Andair gascolator with drain plug above an access flap
under
| the baggage bay. For a mono this is as low as you can get. and it is
plumbed
| between the selector valve and the pumps.
| My purpose in mailing is to say that I have never in +/- 200 hrs
seen
| the least suspicion of water, and you might think that the UK is the ideal
| water producing climate. Whether this is due to plastic fuel tanks not
| encouraging condensation or due to the alcohol in Mogas (which I use most
of
| the time) dissolving it I don't know, but it does suggest that you might
be
| wasting money and weight putting in multiple drain points. Regards,
David
| 914 mono XS
David,
Thank you for having taken the time to recommend the above. Yes, I
may have taken inappropriate steps to avoid moisture - based mainly on the
sensitivity which might accrue from the use of diesel fuel and the engine
pumps (just another glitch from changing fuels). I am debating relocating
the gascolator to the lower engine compartment rather than presently planned
back belly in order to capture that last 5 foot line to the engine.
And it is true that perhaps Brit fuel is more susceptible due to
higher humidity, but Canuck fuel can sit longer in the lager because of
greater distances and much lower demand in the north and I will carry a
careful refuel filter (per GraSing's email) to avoid the worst. Nevertheless
I think my machine may tend toward longer stopovers and more remote
refueling sites than would a UK-based aircraft, and am sensitive to three
hours over unbroken bush at a time.....
As well, it's true that the gascolator holds sway over much less
quantity of fuel than do the drains. I am hoping the drains (lower than most
sites in a tailwheel design) will have had water delivered by the weight of
fuel above so am planning on a rather large container to assess their
content.
Thanks for the 'heads-up'. I am very jealous of your success and am
now just applying the W26 & 27 wingpin sockets. My 'factory' allows for
about 7-8 inches of space once the wings are attached (by sliding the
starboard wing through the patio doors) - so sliding wings in and out is not
undertaken lightly.
The previous delays have rotated this juncture in the build from asummer job
into a winter one. Opening the doors at twenty below means no heat for about
three hours to get to epoxy temps.
regards,
Ferg
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Dan Youngquist <dany@efn.org>
"Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net> wrote:
> Can some one suggest a US based mail order house that would sell 1/8 NTP
> taps. I can't find them in AC Spruce and the only other tool supplier
> that I use is http://www.use-enco.com/ and they don't seem to have them
> listed either.
I'd think any local hardware store or Home Depot type place would have
them. Might save you some shipping cost. (NPT is National Pipe Thread)
-Dan
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Twigg" <alan.twigg@ntlworld.com>
I am visting my mother ( 90th birthday), in Coolangata, from 18th to 25th Feb,
are there any Europa builders / flyers who would not mind a visit.
regards
Alan Twigg
Europa motor glider ( still looks like a boat though)
Currently flying a syndicated Jodel 1050.
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| Subject: | Re: fuel system info |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
I'm fairly sure the Mr Funnel is 75 micron.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Singleton" <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: fuel system info
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton
<graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
>
> At 23:56 12/02/2004 -0800, you wrote:
> >For the first few hours
> >there was a reasonable amount of gunge on the screen but this settled
within
> >10 hrs, and since then it would not really have mattered to have left the
> >screen unchecked/unwashed for 50 hrs or more, (but I do filter my petrol
on
> >its way into the tank). I also have a lo fuel pressure warning switch
>
> The filter used when refueling MUST be finer mesh than the gascolator,
> otherwise it can let through stuff that could block the gascolator.
> One case of fine rust particles getting through a Mr Funnel filter
> 120micron I think, which then blocked the 70 micron Andair filter.
>
> Graham
>
>
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| Subject: | Flap root extensions |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kenneth Gresham" <kgresham@mtco.com>
I'm looking for advice on flap root extentions. They seem pretty straightforward,
but the 2nd lay-up on the inside is my main concern. What is the simplest way
to reach inside? How do you easily protect the drive pins? I welcome any other
thoughts on this also.
Ken Gresham
A268
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--> Europa-List message posted by: John & Paddy Wigney <johnwigney@worldnet.att.net>
<<<Time: 08:11:36 PM PST US
From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Subject: Europa-List: 1/8 NTP tap
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,Can some one suggest a US based mail order house that would sell 1/8 NTP taps. I can't find them in AC Spruce and the only other tool supplier that I use is http://www.use-enco.com/ and they don't seem to have them listed either.Thanks, Paul>>>
Hi Paul,
Try WT Tools at http://www.wttool.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc - item number 0419-0010 is an American made 1/8" NPT tap at $9.45.
Another site is J&L Industrial Supply at http://www.jlindustrial.com/, their price for TAA-0127D is $9.50.
And if you really get stuck for something you can't find, try McMaster Carr at http://www.mcmaster.com/ They claim to have 410,000 items.
Cheers, John
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Dan Youngquist <dany@efn.org>
catgla
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| Subject: | Flap root extensions |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
I put peel ply on the foam under the outer layup. Then removal of the foam
and peel ply inside, you wont need to sand in there. The inside layup was
like the other root closeouts, just a bit awkward. Grease the drive pins and
try not to touch them.
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kenneth Gresham
Subject: Europa-List: Flap root extensions
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kenneth Gresham" <kgresham@mtco.com>
I'm looking for advice on flap root extentions. They seem pretty
straightforward, but the 2nd lay-up on the inside is my main concern. What
is the simplest way to reach inside? How do you easily protect the drive
pins? I welcome any other thoughts on this also.
Ken Gresham
A268
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Thanks to all the folks that responded to this request. I now have some on
the way. - Paul
Do not archive
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
John,
I ordered some today, thanks for you help. I was wondering if you had any
more photographs of how you mounted your landing light ( other than the ones
on the Europa USA site)
I think I will copy your idea, its seems a pretty simple approach.
Regards, Paul
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