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1. 03:22 AM - wire (Paul Stewart)
2. 03:31 AM - Re: wire (Richard Holder)
3. 05:22 AM - Landing lights (Graham Singleton)
4. 05:22 AM - fuel system info (Graham Singleton)
5. 07:27 AM - Re: wire (John Cliff)
6. 07:45 AM - Re: Landing lights (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
7. 08:30 AM - Re: Landing lights (Europa Aircraft)
8. 08:43 AM - Re: fuel system info (Ami McFadyean)
9. 09:13 AM - Re: Landing lights ()
10. 10:26 AM - Port and starboard W16 brackets (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
11. 10:27 AM - Wing lateral push rod HELP! (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
12. 12:13 PM - Re: Wing lateral push rod HELP! (Rob Housman)
13. 03:33 PM - Southeast Europa Fly In !!! (Doug Lawton)
14. 05:28 PM - Re: Wing lateral push rod HELP! (Kevin Klinefelter)
15. 05:32 PM - Re: Wing lateral push rod HELP! (Ronald J. Parigoris)
16. 06:18 PM - Re: Port and starboard W16 brackets (John & Amy Eckel)
17. 08:57 PM - Re: Southeast Europa Fly In !!! (Jeff Roberts)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Can anyone suggest a UK based supplier for aircraft wire esp. screened
(mags, strobes etc.)
Regards
Paul Stewart #432
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Light Aero have most of the sizes and if you only want small amounts I would
use them. If you want lots Aircraft Spruce are SO much cheaper it is worth
the 2 week wait that it takes !
Richard
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842942 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : rholder@avnet.co.uk
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, EGSG (Stapleford)
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
>
> Can anyone suggest a UK based supplier for aircraft wire esp. screened
> (mags, strobes etc.)
>
>
> Regards
>
> Paul Stewart #432
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 13/02/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>I was wondering if you had any
>more photographs of how you mounted your landing light ( other than the ones
>on the Europa USA site)
Paul
Jeremy Davey is going to incorporate landing lights with his LED wingtip
Nav lights. Have a look at http://www.killacycle.com/lights
Tom Friedland is doing it too and I think has his lights in place now?
(using a set of my covers)
Graham
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| Subject: | fuel system info |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 13/02/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuel system info
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean"
><ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>
>I'm fairly sure the Mr Funnel is 75 micron.
>
>Duncan McF.
Andair told me it was bigger and that they could not source the same mesh.
Rotax specify 70 micron, which is the reason they use that.
Graham
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "John Cliff" <mx@crixbinfield.freeserve.co.uk>
> Can anyone suggest a UK based supplier for aircraft wire esp. screened
> (mags, strobes etc.)
Try SKY CRAFT, 0870 7592723, www.sky-craft.co.uk . Shielded wire up to 10 AWG.
John Cliff
#0259
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| Subject: | Re: Landing lights <Graham> |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
In a message dated 2/14/2004 7:23:42 AM Central Standard Time,
graham@gflight.f9.co.uk writes:
www.killacycle.com/lights
Texas Howdy Graham:
You have mentioned this site on previous posts. When I link to it the
information is about an electric powered drag racing motorcycle. The suffix address
... com/LIGHTS shows "web page not found." Are you sure that this is the
correct address? Perhaps it has been recently changed? I'm working on the
starboard side of chapter eight and will be making some lighting decisions very
soon
and am interested in information on the LED package.
Secondly, what about information on those landing covers that you just
mentioned on the previous post?
Thanks!
Brian Skelly
A276
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
Hi All,
We now have wing tip lenses available from the US office. For now they are
just plexi only, you make the flange etc... Cost is $60 each + shipping.
They are large enough to mount landing lights, or nav lights. Delivery time
is about 2 months.
Give me a call if you want to order a set.
John Hurst
Europa Aircraft
Lakeland, FL
(863)647-5355
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Graham
Singleton
Subject: Europa-List: Landing lights
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton
<graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 13/02/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>I was wondering if you had any
>more photographs of how you mounted your landing light ( other than the
ones
>on the Europa USA site)
Paul
Jeremy Davey is going to incorporate landing lights with his LED wingtip
Nav lights. Have a look at http://www.killacycle.com/lights
Tom Friedland is doing it too and I think has his lights in place now?
(using a set of my covers)
Graham
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| Subject: | Re: fuel system info |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
OK. I could be wrong on that, but it looks finer than, say, 100.
The Rotax engine manual actually specifies 100 micron as a maximum filter
size.
On hte Europa, the vapour return orifice is 75 micron (twice what Rotax
specifiy!), so coarser filters could risk blocking that orifice.
Regards,
Duncan.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Singleton" <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: fuel system info
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton
<graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
>
> At 23:56 13/02/2004 -0800, you wrote:
> >Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuel system info
> >
> >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean"
> ><ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
> >
> >I'm fairly sure the Mr Funnel is 75 micron.
> >
> >Duncan McF.
>
> Andair told me it was bigger and that they could not source the same mesh.
> Rotax specify 70 micron, which is the reason they use that.
> Graham
>
>
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| Subject: | Landing lights <Graham> |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <beecho@beecho.org>
Hi Brian
Try: www.killacycle.com/Lights.htm (The Lights has a capital L)
I received their LED combo kit and it is of excellent quality. I have
made my own mounts for the landing lights to go in the LED kits and I
have the lens made by Graham which are of excellent quality. They were
shipped by air from the UK for about $90 total. I have 55 watt halogen
lights from an auto supply store and a solid state wigwag flasher to
make them more visible.
Tom Friedland A079 mono/Jab/Airmaster
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
EuropaXSA276@aol.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Landing lights <Graham>
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
In a message dated 2/14/2004 7:23:42 AM Central Standard Time,
graham@gflight.f9.co.uk writes:
www.killacycle.com/lights
Texas Howdy Graham:
You have mentioned this site on previous posts. When I link to it the
information is about an electric powered drag racing motorcycle. The
suffix address
... com/LIGHTS shows "web page not found." Are you sure that this is
the
correct address? Perhaps it has been recently changed? I'm working on
the
starboard side of chapter eight and will be making some lighting
decisions very soon
and am interested in information on the LED package.
Secondly, what about information on those landing covers that you just
mentioned on the previous post?
Thanks!
Brian Skelly
A276
==
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==
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| Subject: | Port and starboard W16 brackets |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
Can anyone tell me which is the Port and which is the Starboard W16 brackets?
One has a flat flange side the other has a crescent shape flange side. They
both can on the same bag labeled with both part numbers. I can see now place
in the manual that describes which is which.
I also noted in figure 16 page 8-10 that it illustrates an area that must be
filed away in order for the bellcrank to pass through the pivot bolt <whatever
that is> Do they both need to be filed? The manual does not say and only
illustrates the W16 with the crescent shaped flange.
Thanks!
Brian Skelly
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| Subject: | Wing lateral push rod HELP! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
Moving along through chapter eight I have just completed my lateral push rod.
A test fit indicates that the thing binds in many areas. My observations are
that I would have to substantially widen the wing rib holes and even then I
expect the push rod to be directly against the spar with unacceptable or no
clearance. Any suggested fix?
Thanks
Brian Skelly
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| Subject: | Wing lateral push rod HELP! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <robh@hyperion-ef.com>
I had almost exactly the same experience, and my wings were among the first
XS wings shipped. However, my push rods did clear the spars without any
modifications. I had assumed that the factory would have figured out by now
that they put most of the holes in the wrong places. Apparently not. If it
were only a problem with clearance in the holes I'd simply open the holes (I
left a minimum of about 1/4 inch clearance), but in your case I'd recommend
getting the factory's opinion on clearing the spar.
Quite a while ago on this forum there was a thread about how far the wings
deflected under a load of several g, and (if I remember correctly) the
deflection could be as much as 18 inches at the tip and still be within
design limits. That was probably for a far greater g load than most of us
will ever experience, however. Even considerably lighter loads could
deflect the wing enough to cause the push rods to rub inside the clearance
holes, so it seems that the factory expects there to be some rubbing under
load.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
EuropaXSA276@aol.com
Subject: Europa-List: Wing lateral push rod HELP!
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
Moving along through chapter eight I have just completed my lateral push
rod.
A test fit indicates that the thing binds in many areas. My observations
are
that I would have to substantially widen the wing rib holes and even then I
expect the push rod to be directly against the spar with unacceptable or no
clearance. Any suggested fix?
Thanks
Brian Skelly
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| Subject: | Southeast Europa Fly In !!! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Doug Lawton" <skyrider2@earthlink.net>
Hello Europa Owners !!!
We'd like to announce our first annual Fly In and cookout for Europa owners,
builders, and pilots at Matthews Field.
Saturday and Sunday, June 5th & 6th, 2004.
Matthews field is centrally & conveniently located approximately 20 statute
miles NW of downtown Chattanooga, TN and Lovell Field. We're in the
beautiful Sequatchie Valley near the town of Whitwell TN. For Photos of the
field and area, click here:
http://www.ofoto.com/BrowsePhotos.jsp?&collid=157189773103
LAT 35 15.543 LONG 085 27.004
Listed On Sectionals As Matthews (Pvt - Glider)
2200' Lighted Grass Runway, 700' elevation. Camping is available on site
with shower and bathroom facilities, plenty of tiedown space and limited
hangar space, and local transportation to nearby restaurants and motels.
Contact for more Info: Doug Lawton or
John Lawton
139 Quitman Lane
306 Condra Lane
Clarkesville, GA 30523
Whitwell, TN 37397
skyrider2@earthlink.net
teledynmcs@aol.com
(706) 947-7437 offfice
(423) 240-0064 cell
(706) 499-8704 cell
(706) 947-3133 fax
Please contact one of us prior to coming by for updates and operating
procedures. We look forward to seeing you all !!!
Doug Lawton
Matthews Field
Southern Air-Time, LLC
RSVP's Requested by May 31, 2004
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| Subject: | Wing lateral push rod HELP! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gte.net>
One of mine was similar to what you describe. I moved the bellcrank away
from the spar by a couple mm by making a plate of alum for the bracket
assembly, drilled for the four bolts. I drilled lightening holes in the
plate also. I suppose you could use washers. Ask the factory.
Kevin, still filling and sanding...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
EuropaXSA276@aol.com
Subject: Europa-List: Wing lateral push rod HELP!
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
Moving along through chapter eight I have just completed my lateral push
rod.
A test fit indicates that the thing binds in many areas. My observations
are
that I would have to substantially widen the wing rib holes and even then I
expect the push rod to be directly against the spar with unacceptable or no
clearance. Any suggested fix?
Thanks
Brian Skelly
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| Subject: | Re: Wing lateral push rod HELP! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ronald J. Parigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Hello Brian
> "I expect the push rod to be directly against the spar with unacceptable or no
> clearance. Any suggested fix?"
I had same problem. I E-Mailed Neville and he said to make spacers out of
aluminium Alloy. I ended making some spacers out of G-9 to elevate so bellcrank
would not allow the lateral pushrod to hit spar. I only needed to space one of
the wings.
I enlarged holes as needed in ribs to gain acceptable clearance. there are a few
areas where if pushrod begins harmonics may touch ribs. i have some thin wall
teflon heat shrink (www.mcmaster.com) that i may put on pushrod in areas I think
may touch.
Good luck
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: Port and starboard W16 brackets |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
Brian,
Make both W16's the same as shown in the book, note they are opposite hand.
When you attach
them to the spar it will be obvious which goes where. Look at page 14-6,
Fig 3 for the mating parts,
CS15P and CS15S. The way this all works will fall into place when you do
the actual assembly and
mating of the W16 and CS15 parts. There are illustrations pn pages 14-13
nad 14-14 that will help make
it clear.
Here is another tip that will save you work. When making the CS14 parts do
not bother painting the
inside surface because you will have to sand it off after you bond the
cockpit module to the canoe.
John Eckel, A230
From: <EuropaXSA276@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Port and starboard W16 brackets
> --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
>
> Can anyone tell me which is the Port and which is the Starboard W16
brackets?
> One has a flat flange side the other has a crescent shape flange side.
They
> both can on the same bag labeled with both part numbers. I can see now
place
> in the manual that describes which is which.
>
> I also noted in figure 16 page 8-10 that it illustrates an area that must
be
> filed away in order for the bellcrank to pass through the pivot bolt
<whatever
> that is> Do they both need to be filed? The manual does not say and only
> illustrates the W16 with the crescent shaped flange.
> Thanks!
> Brian Skelly
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Southeast Europa Fly In !!! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net>
on 2/14/04 6:30 PM, Doug Lawton at skyrider2@earthlink.net wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Doug Lawton" <skyrider2@earthlink.net>
>
> Hello Europa Owners !!!
>
> We'd like to announce our first annual Fly In and cookout for Europa owners,
> builders, and pilots at Matthews Field.
>
> Saturday and Sunday, June 5th & 6th, 2004.
>
> Matthews field is centrally & conveniently located approximately 20 statute
> miles NW of downtown Chattanooga, TN and Lovell Field. We're in the
> beautiful Sequatchie Valley near the town of Whitwell TN. For Photos of the
> field and area, click here:
>
> http://www.ofoto.com/BrowsePhotos.jsp?&collid=157189773103
>
>
> LAT 35 15.543 LONG 085 27.004
> Listed On Sectionals As Matthews (Pvt - Glider)
>
> 2200' Lighted Grass Runway, 700' elevation. Camping is available on site
> with shower and bathroom facilities, plenty of tiedown space and limited
> hangar space, and local transportation to nearby restaurants and motels.
>
>
> Contact for more Info: Doug Lawton or
> John Lawton
> 139 Quitman Lane
> 306 Condra Lane
> Clarkesville, GA 30523
> Whitwell, TN 37397
> skyrider2@earthlink.net
> teledynmcs@aol.com
> (706) 947-7437 offfice
> (423) 240-0064 cell
> (706) 499-8704 cell
> (706) 947-3133 fax
>
> Please contact one of us prior to coming by for updates and operating
> procedures. We look forward to seeing you all !!!
>
> Doug Lawton
> Matthews Field
> Southern Air-Time, LLC
>
> RSVP's Requested by May 31, 2004
>
>
>
>
>
>
Doug & John,
Don't think it will be flying yet but you can count me in. Others should
consider as this is some of the most beatiful country in the US. Maybe I'll
tow A258 there. We'll see.
Jeff
Still working on air for the engine inc. carb heat, fitting cowl and having
panel started. Soon to primer and more, much more.
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