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1. 04:40 AM - Drop of a Hat Fly-ins (William Mills)
2. 05:03 AM - Re: Southeast Europa Fly In !!! (Jim Brown)
3. 05:50 AM - Re: Southeast Europa Fly In !!! (Garry Stout)
4. 06:42 AM - Re: Drop of a Hat Fly-ins (RMRRick@aol.com)
5. 08:19 AM - Re : Transponder antenna (John & Paddy Wigney)
6. 11:05 AM - Re: Southeast Europa Fly In !!! (James Nelson)
7. 11:05 AM - Re: Southeast Europa Fly In !!! (James Nelson)
8. 11:55 AM - Re: transponders (Ami McFadyean)
9. 12:15 PM - Re: Southeast Europa Fly In !!! (Augustene Brown)
10. 01:33 PM - Re: Southeast Europa Fly In !!! (Kingsley Hurst)
11. 01:42 PM - Autopilots and their Servos (Tony Renshaw)
12. 02:06 PM - cotter pins (John & Amy Eckel)
13. 03:30 PM - Australia trip (Graham Singleton)
14. 03:30 PM - Transponder antenna (Graham Singleton)
15. 04:48 PM - Re: XS Trigear rudder cable alignment (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
16. 05:20 PM - Re: Southeast Europa Fly In !!! (Robert Berube)
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| Subject: | Drop of a Hat Fly-ins |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Hi all Hat Droppers,
Withdrawal symptoms have started to set in, so I thought I would try to re-boil
the Hat Dropper's pot.
Looking at the five-day forecast, Thursday and Saturday look like they might be
reasonable days. May I suggest Old Sarum for Thursday and Fenland for Saturday.
Any responses would be welcome and I will confirm venues tomorrow.
Best wishes,
William
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| Subject: | Re: Southeast Europa Fly In !!! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
Hi Bob, Jim, and Garry,
If the FAA comes through with their blessing, Augustene and I may try to make
it a foursome. Are you guy's interested?
Jim and Augustene
Robert Berube wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
>
> Jim,
> Three it is!!
> Bob
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Nelson" <europajim@juno.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Southeast Europa Fly In !!!
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
> >
> > Gary,
> > Lets go as a flight of two! Maybe we can get Bob to go also as a
> > flight of three!
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Southeast Europa Fly In !!! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Garry Stout" <garrys@tampabay.rr.com>
Absolutely!
Garry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Brown" <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Southeast Europa Fly In !!!
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
>
> Hi Bob, Jim, and Garry,
>
> If the FAA comes through with their blessing, Augustene and I may try to
make
> it a foursome. Are you guy's interested?
>
> Jim and Augustene
>
> Robert Berube wrote:
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube"
<bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
> >
> > Jim,
> > Three it is!!
> > Bob
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "James Nelson" <europajim@juno.com>
> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Southeast Europa Fly In !!!
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
> > >
> > > Gary,
> > > Lets go as a flight of two! Maybe we can get Bob to go also
as a
> > > flight of three!
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Drop of a Hat Fly-ins |
--> Europa-List message posted by: RMRRick@aol.com
Hi William
Hope you are well. I'm very busy at work but lets see what the week brings.
See you soon.
Rick
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| Subject: | Re : Transponder antenna |
--> Europa-List message posted by: John & Paddy Wigney <johnwigney@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Paul,
I have a Bob Archer transponder antenna mounted on the fuselage side, approx 6
inches behind the baggage bulkhead and I have used RG 400 coax to my transponder.
The whole package works fine.
Cheers, John
N262WF
Mono XS, 912S, Mooresville NC
<<<<<Time: 02:50:36 PM PST US
From: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Transponder antenna
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Can anyone enlighten me on positioning our transponder stubb antenna?
We have a microair T2000 transponder. They have suggested to us we
should limit the co-ax cable to 6 feet due signal loss. This would
preclude it going behind the baggage bay. I seem to have got it into my
head from somewhere that transponder antennae should be kept a
reasonable distance from occupants or is this just b******s?
Regards Paul Stewart #432 now G-GIDY>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Southeast Europa Fly In !!! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Hi Jim,
Yes, that would be real neat with 4 Europa's landing at the same
time. I hope the WX allows for the fight. I hope the Doc give you the
magic blessings. You could get Augustene to get her private license and
you just go along as a pax--????
Jim
N15JN
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| Subject: | Re: Southeast Europa Fly In !!! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Kingsley,
Take heart, I took 5-1/2 years of spare time to finish my bird.
It was well worth ithe time. I enjoyed the build time. I still havn't
finished my landing light on the outrigger and my own long range tank. I
have the pumps and electrics finished but need the tank done in
cardboard as a mock up to finish it. But I am just flying and enjoying.
I am putting in a TruTrack wing leveler right now. That has the highest
priority right now. I reached a point in the build when I said "enough
mod's" and just get it in the air.
Jim Nelson
N15JN
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| Subject: | Re: transponders |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Potentially, it gets worse. G'ment can then send you a bill for airspace
usage.
Of course, they'll need to put in sufficient radar heads to detect us below
c.2000'. Or when the tpndr is turned OFF!
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: <n3eu@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: transponders
> --> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
>
> > I do feel txponders are highly desirable but dislike the imposition
> > of control from the beaurocrats, especially the ones in Brussels.
> > Graham
> >
>
> I'm curious also about negative reaction elsewhere, or lack thereof, as to
the privacy implications. With Mode-S, flying VFR and even not in
communication with ATC, gubment (including now the military, post 9/11) can
track everywhere and whenever the aircraft flies and store it in a database,
and if you own the aircraft, they can presume that's you and easily verify
otherwise. Vast majority of citizens here would find that beyond totally
intolerable. Even if not aware of my situation, where there's a nuclear
power plant near my airport, and anything other than a straight line past it
might put me on a terrorist watch list....
>
> Regards,
> Fred F.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Southeast Europa Fly In !!! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Augustene Brown <augustene@cfl.rr.com>
Hey Jim,
You're gettin' personal now ;-) . I took flying lessons in the 70's and
for the first time in my life I had sweaty palms - and swore off
piloting. I'm tough, don't mind jumpin' out on a sunny day, but having
to fly that bird alone scares me to death.
Warm regards,
Augustene
James Nelson wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
>
>Hi Jim,
> Yes, that would be real neat with 4 Europa's landing at the same
>time. I hope the WX allows for the fight. I hope the Doc give you the
>magic blessings. You could get Augustene to get her private license and
>you just go along as a pax--????
>
>Jim
>N15JN
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Southeast Europa Fly In !!! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
James Nelson wrote:
" I reached a point in the build when I said "enough
mod's" and just get it in the air"
Thanks Jim,
I can relate to the "point" you reached...... think I am very close to it
now too!
Hope you all have a great time. After the event, how about writing an
article for the Europa Flyer so we can all enjoy the experience!!
Cheers
Kingsley
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| Subject: | Autopilots and their Servos |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Gidday,
This is a query for those that might know the difference between the Navaid
Servo and the TruTrak, whether one or other is digital versus analogue
controlled, what type of mechanisms they are, and whether there is a strong
argument for one over the other. With Autopilots, the TrioAvionics unit
appears to have the most capable head, and it uses the Navaid Servo. I
asked about the servo and they cost $685 US, which is about $50 more than
through Navaid, because they strip them down, adjust a few cogs, and also
adjust the potentiometer, to dampen out some of the oscillation
characteristics of these units, and then bench test with one of their
control heads. So, when speaking to a TruTrak friend, he says his servo
uses a stepper motor, which by the accurate way it stops and starts
suggests a digital control, where the Navaid has potentiometers, so this
implies an analogue signal, doesn't it. I am wondering if the Trio is
particularly good with their head capabilities, but lacking with the
technology put into their servos, or should I say, their choice to use the
Navaid product. So, if anyone can shed any light on how these things work,
and whether one is significantly better than the other, well I'd love to know.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger (possibly convertible)
Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
Instrumentation: Undecided
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
Hello,
My tech counselor looked at my progress today and as usual
commented on what a fine kit the Europa is.
However, he does have an issue with not using castle nuts and cotter pins
on bolts that are holding rotating parts together. The aircraft maintenance
manual does say that cotter keys should be used on all rotating parts. This includes
all the controls in the cockpit module, the wings, flap pivot points and others
I
haven't found yet. So, I am in the process of getting new bolts, nuts and cotter
pins.
Has anyone else run into this problem?
The Europa is not the only kit with this problem, he was the TC on a Kitfox
and it had the same lack of proper hardware.
I am sure there are others.
John Eckel, A230
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 16/02/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>Kingsley,
>what about Lance Sandford? I don't know where Coolangata is but Lance
>moved
>to Brisbane area last year? His project is well worth a careful look.
>Graham
>
>Thanks Graham,
>When are you coming back?
>
>Kingsley
Kingsley
talk to him, "Lance Sandford" <sandford@melbpc.org.au> He lives at "Hervey
Bay (about 3 hrs drive north of
Brisbane)" his words.
I saw his Europa in Melbourne and it's beautiful. He is a licensed engineer
too so knows what he's doing.
I envy you Aussies, you have weather, space, scenery and skilful
youth! Plus other folks' hind sight!
Won't be back this year but next year is different, should have sold my
house. You better come here before I do!
Graham
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| Subject: | Transponder antenna |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 16/02/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>Transponder antenna
>Can anyone enlighten me on positioning our transponder stubb antenna?
>We have a microair T2000 transponder. They have suggested to us we
>should limit the co-ax cable to 6 feet due signal loss. This would
>preclude it going behind the baggage bay. I seem to have got it into my
>head from somewhere that transponder antennae should be kept a
>reasonable distance from occupants or is this just b******s?
>Paul Stewart #432 now G-GIDY (makes flying seem closer anyway)
Paul
IMHO you will get better performance from a Bob Archer dipole antenna. We
mounted ours somewhere back of the baggage bay to one side.
It needs to be able to shine forward past the engine and back past the
tailplane steam tube etc.
Fred F might have better ideas? He knows more than I do about these things,
I guess Bob knows even more, bobsantennas@earthlink.net
Graham
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| Subject: | Re: XS Trigear rudder cable alignment |
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Hi Jim,
Thanks for the info. I've experimented with a few different materials for
fairleads, various kinds of tubing, phenolic, etc. Neville said to use the black
brake line tubing that came with the kit. It would probably work, but the
nylon ones that Spruce has seem to have the lowest friction by far. I'm putting
a
set in the rear bulkhead, at the tower on a plywood spreader, and in the
tunnel where the rudder cable passes the gas tank. Sure don't want that rudder
cable slapping the gas tank! I'm also putting turnbuckles just behind the baggage
bay supports where they will be accessible from the access hole in the
bulkhead. I might end up putting another set at the baggage bay supports if the
turnbuckles want to slap the floor.
Hope you can make our fly-in! The Purple Martins are in residence at our
field along about that time. They make it very pleasant to be outdoors. (no
skeeters)
Regards,
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245 (getting all the little tidbits done before the top goes on)
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| Subject: | Re: Southeast Europa Fly In !!! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" <bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
Jim & Augustine,
It wouldn't be a great trip without you.
Bob Berube N166BB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Brown" <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Southeast Europa Fly In !!!
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
>
> Hi Bob, Jim, and Garry,
>
> If the FAA comes through with their blessing, Augustene and I may try to
make
> it a foursome. Are you guy's interested?
>
> Jim and Augustene
>
> Robert Berube wrote:
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube"
<bberube@tampabay.rr.com>
> >
> > Jim,
> > Three it is!!
> > Bob
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "James Nelson" <europajim@juno.com>
> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Southeast Europa Fly In !!!
> >
> > > --> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
> > >
> > > Gary,
> > > Lets go as a flight of two! Maybe we can get Bob to go also
as a
> > > flight of three!
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
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