---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/17/04: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:40 AM - Drop of a Hat Fly-ins (William Mills) 2. 05:03 AM - Re: Southeast Europa Fly In !!! (Jim Brown) 3. 05:50 AM - Re: Southeast Europa Fly In !!! (Garry Stout) 4. 06:42 AM - Re: Drop of a Hat Fly-ins (RMRRick@aol.com) 5. 08:19 AM - Re : Transponder antenna (John & Paddy Wigney) 6. 11:05 AM - Re: Southeast Europa Fly In !!! (James Nelson) 7. 11:05 AM - Re: Southeast Europa Fly In !!! (James Nelson) 8. 11:55 AM - Re: transponders (Ami McFadyean) 9. 12:15 PM - Re: Southeast Europa Fly In !!! (Augustene Brown) 10. 01:33 PM - Re: Southeast Europa Fly In !!! (Kingsley Hurst) 11. 01:42 PM - Autopilots and their Servos (Tony Renshaw) 12. 02:06 PM - cotter pins (John & Amy Eckel) 13. 03:30 PM - Australia trip (Graham Singleton) 14. 03:30 PM - Transponder antenna (Graham Singleton) 15. 04:48 PM - Re: XS Trigear rudder cable alignment (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com) 16. 05:20 PM - Re: Southeast Europa Fly In !!! (Robert Berube) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:40:33 AM PST US From: "William Mills" Subject: Europa-List: Drop of a Hat Fly-ins --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" Hi all Hat Droppers, Withdrawal symptoms have started to set in, so I thought I would try to re-boil the Hat Dropper's pot. Looking at the five-day forecast, Thursday and Saturday look like they might be reasonable days. May I suggest Old Sarum for Thursday and Fenland for Saturday. Any responses would be welcome and I will confirm venues tomorrow. Best wishes, William ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:29 AM PST US From: Jim Brown Subject: Re: Europa-List: Southeast Europa Fly In !!! --> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown Hi Bob, Jim, and Garry, If the FAA comes through with their blessing, Augustene and I may try to make it a foursome. Are you guy's interested? Jim and Augustene Robert Berube wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" > > Jim, > Three it is!! > Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Nelson" > To: > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Southeast Europa Fly In !!! > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson > > > > Gary, > > Lets go as a flight of two! Maybe we can get Bob to go also as a > > flight of three! > > > > Jim > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:32 AM PST US From: "Garry Stout" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Southeast Europa Fly In !!! --> Europa-List message posted by: "Garry Stout" Absolutely! Garry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Brown" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Southeast Europa Fly In !!! > --> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown > > Hi Bob, Jim, and Garry, > > If the FAA comes through with their blessing, Augustene and I may try to make > it a foursome. Are you guy's interested? > > Jim and Augustene > > Robert Berube wrote: > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" > > > > Jim, > > Three it is!! > > Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "James Nelson" > > To: > > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Southeast Europa Fly In !!! > > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson > > > > > > Gary, > > > Lets go as a flight of two! Maybe we can get Bob to go also as a > > > flight of three! > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:16 AM PST US From: RMRRick@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Drop of a Hat Fly-ins --> Europa-List message posted by: RMRRick@aol.com Hi William Hope you are well. I'm very busy at work but lets see what the week brings. See you soon. Rick ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:58 AM PST US From: John & Paddy Wigney Subject: Europa-List: Re : Transponder antenna --> Europa-List message posted by: John & Paddy Wigney Hi Paul, I have a Bob Archer transponder antenna mounted on the fuselage side, approx 6 inches behind the baggage bulkhead and I have used RG 400 coax to my transponder. The whole package works fine. Cheers, John N262WF Mono XS, 912S, Mooresville NC <<<< Subject: Europa-List: Transponder antenna --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart Can anyone enlighten me on positioning our transponder stubb antenna? We have a microair T2000 transponder. They have suggested to us we should limit the co-ax cable to 6 feet due signal loss. This would preclude it going behind the baggage bay. I seem to have got it into my head from somewhere that transponder antennae should be kept a reasonable distance from occupants or is this just b******s? Regards Paul Stewart #432 now G-GIDY>>>> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:05:40 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Southeast Europa Fly In !!! From: James Nelson --> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson Hi Jim, Yes, that would be real neat with 4 Europa's landing at the same time. I hope the WX allows for the fight. I hope the Doc give you the magic blessings. You could get Augustene to get her private license and you just go along as a pax--???? Jim N15JN ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:05:40 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Southeast Europa Fly In !!! From: James Nelson --> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson Kingsley, Take heart, I took 5-1/2 years of spare time to finish my bird. It was well worth ithe time. I enjoyed the build time. I still havn't finished my landing light on the outrigger and my own long range tank. I have the pumps and electrics finished but need the tank done in cardboard as a mock up to finish it. But I am just flying and enjoying. I am putting in a TruTrack wing leveler right now. That has the highest priority right now. I reached a point in the build when I said "enough mod's" and just get it in the air. Jim Nelson N15JN ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:55:54 AM PST US From: "Ami McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: transponders --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" Potentially, it gets worse. G'ment can then send you a bill for airspace usage. Of course, they'll need to put in sufficient radar heads to detect us below c.2000'. Or when the tpndr is turned OFF! Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Europa-List: transponders > --> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net > > > I do feel txponders are highly desirable but dislike the imposition > > of control from the beaurocrats, especially the ones in Brussels. > > Graham > > > > I'm curious also about negative reaction elsewhere, or lack thereof, as to the privacy implications. With Mode-S, flying VFR and even not in communication with ATC, gubment (including now the military, post 9/11) can track everywhere and whenever the aircraft flies and store it in a database, and if you own the aircraft, they can presume that's you and easily verify otherwise. Vast majority of citizens here would find that beyond totally intolerable. Even if not aware of my situation, where there's a nuclear power plant near my airport, and anything other than a straight line past it might put me on a terrorist watch list.... > > Regards, > Fred F. > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:15:10 PM PST US From: Augustene Brown Subject: Re: Europa-List: Southeast Europa Fly In !!! --> Europa-List message posted by: Augustene Brown Hey Jim, You're gettin' personal now ;-) . I took flying lessons in the 70's and for the first time in my life I had sweaty palms - and swore off piloting. I'm tough, don't mind jumpin' out on a sunny day, but having to fly that bird alone scares me to death. Warm regards, Augustene James Nelson wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson > >Hi Jim, > Yes, that would be real neat with 4 Europa's landing at the same >time. I hope the WX allows for the fight. I hope the Doc give you the >magic blessings. You could get Augustene to get her private license and >you just go along as a pax--???? > >Jim >N15JN > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:33:49 PM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Southeast Europa Fly In !!! --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" James Nelson wrote: " I reached a point in the build when I said "enough mod's" and just get it in the air" Thanks Jim, I can relate to the "point" you reached...... think I am very close to it now too! Hope you all have a great time. After the event, how about writing an article for the Europa Flyer so we can all enjoy the experience!! Cheers Kingsley ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:42:46 PM PST US From: Tony Renshaw Subject: Europa-List: Autopilots and their Servos --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw Gidday, This is a query for those that might know the difference between the Navaid Servo and the TruTrak, whether one or other is digital versus analogue controlled, what type of mechanisms they are, and whether there is a strong argument for one over the other. With Autopilots, the TrioAvionics unit appears to have the most capable head, and it uses the Navaid Servo. I asked about the servo and they cost $685 US, which is about $50 more than through Navaid, because they strip them down, adjust a few cogs, and also adjust the potentiometer, to dampen out some of the oscillation characteristics of these units, and then bench test with one of their control heads. So, when speaking to a TruTrak friend, he says his servo uses a stepper motor, which by the accurate way it stops and starts suggests a digital control, where the Navaid has potentiometers, so this implies an analogue signal, doesn't it. I am wondering if the Trio is particularly good with their head capabilities, but lacking with the technology put into their servos, or should I say, their choice to use the Navaid product. So, if anyone can shed any light on how these things work, and whether one is significantly better than the other, well I'd love to know. Reg Tony Renshaw Sydney Australia Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger (possibly convertible) Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided) Instrumentation: Undecided ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:06:41 PM PST US From: "John & Amy Eckel" Subject: Europa-List: cotter pins --> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" Hello, My tech counselor looked at my progress today and as usual commented on what a fine kit the Europa is. However, he does have an issue with not using castle nuts and cotter pins on bolts that are holding rotating parts together. The aircraft maintenance manual does say that cotter keys should be used on all rotating parts. This includes all the controls in the cockpit module, the wings, flap pivot points and others I haven't found yet. So, I am in the process of getting new bolts, nuts and cotter pins. Has anyone else run into this problem? The Europa is not the only kit with this problem, he was the TC on a Kitfox and it had the same lack of proper hardware. I am sure there are others. John Eckel, A230 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:30:42 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Europa-List: Australia trip --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton At 23:56 16/02/2004 -0800, you wrote: >Kingsley, >what about Lance Sandford? I don't know where Coolangata is but Lance >moved >to Brisbane area last year? His project is well worth a careful look. >Graham > >Thanks Graham, >When are you coming back? > >Kingsley Kingsley talk to him, "Lance Sandford" He lives at "Hervey Bay (about 3 hrs drive north of Brisbane)" his words. I saw his Europa in Melbourne and it's beautiful. He is a licensed engineer too so knows what he's doing. I envy you Aussies, you have weather, space, scenery and skilful youth! Plus other folks' hind sight! Won't be back this year but next year is different, should have sold my house. You better come here before I do! Graham ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:30:42 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Europa-List: Transponder antenna --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton At 23:56 16/02/2004 -0800, you wrote: >Transponder antenna >Can anyone enlighten me on positioning our transponder stubb antenna? >We have a microair T2000 transponder. They have suggested to us we >should limit the co-ax cable to 6 feet due signal loss. This would >preclude it going behind the baggage bay. I seem to have got it into my >head from somewhere that transponder antennae should be kept a >reasonable distance from occupants or is this just b******s? >Paul Stewart #432 now G-GIDY (makes flying seem closer anyway) Paul IMHO you will get better performance from a Bob Archer dipole antenna. We mounted ours somewhere back of the baggage bay to one side. It needs to be able to shine forward past the engine and back past the tailplane steam tube etc. Fred F might have better ideas? He knows more than I do about these things, I guess Bob knows even more, bobsantennas@earthlink.net Graham ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:48:02 PM PST US From: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: XS Trigear rudder cable alignment --> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com Hi Jim, Thanks for the info. I've experimented with a few different materials for fairleads, various kinds of tubing, phenolic, etc. Neville said to use the black brake line tubing that came with the kit. It would probably work, but the nylon ones that Spruce has seem to have the lowest friction by far. I'm putting a set in the rear bulkhead, at the tower on a plywood spreader, and in the tunnel where the rudder cable passes the gas tank. Sure don't want that rudder cable slapping the gas tank! I'm also putting turnbuckles just behind the baggage bay supports where they will be accessible from the access hole in the bulkhead. I might end up putting another set at the baggage bay supports if the turnbuckles want to slap the floor. Hope you can make our fly-in! The Purple Martins are in residence at our field along about that time. They make it very pleasant to be outdoors. (no skeeters) Regards, John Lawton Dunlap, TN A-245 (getting all the little tidbits done before the top goes on) ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:20:45 PM PST US From: "Robert Berube" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Southeast Europa Fly In !!! --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" Jim & Augustine, It wouldn't be a great trip without you. Bob Berube N166BB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Brown" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Southeast Europa Fly In !!! > --> Europa-List message posted by: Jim Brown > > Hi Bob, Jim, and Garry, > > If the FAA comes through with their blessing, Augustene and I may try to make > it a foursome. Are you guy's interested? > > Jim and Augustene > > Robert Berube wrote: > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert Berube" > > > > Jim, > > Three it is!! > > Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "James Nelson" > > To: > > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Southeast Europa Fly In !!! > > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson > > > > > > Gary, > > > Lets go as a flight of two! Maybe we can get Bob to go also as a > > > flight of three! > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > >