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1. 02:25 AM - Re: Drop of a Hat Fly-ins (P.A.D.Clarke)
2. 02:25 AM - Re: Drop of a Hat Fly-ins (William Mills)
3. 05:58 AM - Re: cotter pins (rlborger)
4. 06:01 AM - Re: cotter pins (Jim Butcher)
5. 06:21 AM - Re: cotter pins (Peter Zutrauen)
6. 06:46 AM - Re: cotter pins (n3eu@comcast.net)
7. 06:50 AM - Re: Drop of a Hat Fly-ins (R.C.Harrison)
8. 06:50 AM - Re: Transponder antenna (n3eu@comcast.net)
9. 07:34 AM - Re: cotter pins (John & Amy Eckel)
10. 10:07 AM - cotter pins (John & Amy Eckel)
11. 10:54 AM - Re: Drop of a Hat Fly-ins (bryan allsop)
12. 11:16 AM - Re: Autopilots and their Servos (Ami McFadyean)
13. 02:29 PM - Any spare Polyfibre filler please? (bryan allsop)
14. 04:38 PM - Europa Photo Gallery and Forum (ScramIt@aol.com)
15. 05:31 PM - Re: Europa Photo Gallery and Forum (Tim Ward)
16. 05:34 PM - Re: Auto pilots and their Servos (James Nelson)
17. 05:34 PM - Re: XS Trigear rudder cable alignment (James Nelson)
18. 05:34 PM - Re: Southeast Europa Fly In !!! (James Nelson)
19. 05:34 PM - Re: Southeast Europa Fly In !!! (James Nelson)
20. 11:37 PM - Re: Drop of a Hat Fly-ins (William Mills)
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| Subject: | Re: Drop of a Hat Fly-ins |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "P.A.D.Clarke" <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
Hi William,
You just beat me to it. I can make Thursday or Friday, not Sat. Venues sound
good,
Cheers, Paddy
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Drop of a Hat Fly-ins
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
<combined.merchants@virgin.net>
>
> Hi all Hat Droppers,
> Withdrawal symptoms have started to set in, so I thought I would try to
re-boil the Hat Dropper's pot.
> Looking at the five-day forecast, Thursday and Saturday look like they
might be reasonable days. May I suggest Old Sarum for Thursday and Fenland
for Saturday.
> Any responses would be welcome and I will confirm venues tomorrow.
> Best wishes,
> William
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Drop of a Hat Fly-ins |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
The viz and weather look better on Friday with less chance of fog, so I'll
suggest we visit Old Sarum on Friday and Fenland on Saturday or Sunday.
Both free landings in "Pilot". Old Sarum has a restaurant, but I'm not sure
about Fenland.
Hope to see you on Friday.
Regards,
William
(Do not archive)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
John,
I had my TC in for my first inspection just before I bonded my cockpit
module in. His comments about kit quality were very similar to those
made by your counselor. My counselor also said that all the screw-in
or screw-on parts should be safety wired or cotter pinned. I showed
him the stiff-nuts provided by Europa and demonstrated how they work.
He said; "Well, it's their kit and it seems to be working for them. Go
ahead and build it the way they say to." He then signed off on the
work.
I hope you can work out a similar agreement with your counselor. I
sure wouldn't have wanted to have to go back and replace every nut and
bolt in my kit.
Good building,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
(60%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, working chapters 23
Fuselage Top, 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical & 29 Main Gear.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
> Hello,
> My tech counselor looked at my progress today and as usual
> commented on what a fine kit the Europa is.
> However, he does have an issue with not using castle nuts and cotter
pins
> on bolts that are holding rotating parts together. The aircraft
maintenance
> manual does say that cotter keys should be used on all rotating
parts. This includes
> all the controls in the cockpit module, the wings, flap pivot points
and others
> I haven't found yet. So, I am in the process of getting new bolts,
nuts and cotter
> pins.
> Has anyone else run into this problem?
> The Europa is not the only kit with this problem, he was the TC on a
Kitfox
> and it had the same lack of proper hardware.
> I am sure there are others.
>
> John Eckel, A230
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
John & Amy,
I think in most cases there is a metal bushing whose length is slightly
longer than the stackup of the components that rotate (nylon washers, etc)
so the bolt and nut lock against the bushing.
Hope this helps.
Jim & Heather Butcher A185
sanding & filling prime tomorrow
You wrote
> Hello,
> My tech counselor looked at my progress today and as usual
> commented on what a fine kit the Europa is.
> However, he does have an issue with not using castle nuts and cotter pins
> on bolts that are holding rotating parts together. The aircraft
maintenance
> manual does say that cotter keys should be used on all rotating parts.
This includes
> all the controls in the cockpit module, the wings, flap pivot points and
others
> I
> haven't found yet. So, I am in the process of getting new bolts, nuts
and cotter
> pins.
> Has anyone else run into this problem?
> The Europa is not the only kit with this problem, he was the TC on a
Kitfox
> and it had the same lack of proper hardware.
> I am sure there are others.
>
> John Eckel, A230
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
As an aside regarding safety wires etc. I remember from my preflights
that the certified Katana also uses stiffnuts on some of the rotating
parts, specifically the aileron bellcrank in the wing which is inspected
through a clear plexi cover under the wing. In that case I noticed that
they used a dab of bright goo (lockite maybe?) on the exposed threads &
nut to be able to visually identify if the stiffnut had backed off.
If a certified ship like the Katana uses the same stiff nut technology,
I wonder how the latest 'Aircraft Maintenance Manual' can not list this
method as acceptable. (what document is this manual? AC 4313?)
Cheers,
Pete
A239
-----Original Message-----
From: rlborger [mailto:rlborger@mac.com]
Subject: Re: Europa-List: cotter pins
--> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
John,
I had my TC in for my first inspection just before I bonded my cockpit
module in. His comments about kit quality were very similar to those
made by your counselor. My counselor also said that all the screw-in
or screw-on parts should be safety wired or cotter pinned. I showed
him the stiff-nuts provided by Europa and demonstrated how they work.
He said; "Well, it's their kit and it seems to be working for them. Go
ahead and build it the way they say to." He then signed off on the
work.
I hope you can work out a similar agreement with your counselor. I
sure wouldn't have wanted to have to go back and replace every nut and
bolt in my kit.
Good building,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
(60%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, working chapters 23
Fuselage Top, 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical & 29 Main Gear.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
> Hello,
> My tech counselor looked at my progress today and as usual
> commented on what a fine kit the Europa is.
> However, he does have an issue with not using castle nuts and cotter
pins
> on bolts that are holding rotating parts together. The aircraft
maintenance
> manual does say that cotter keys should be used on all rotating
parts. This includes
> all the controls in the cockpit module, the wings, flap pivot points
and others
> I haven't found yet. So, I am in the process of getting new bolts,
nuts and cotter
> pins.
> Has anyone else run into this problem?
> The Europa is not the only kit with this problem, he was the TC on a
Kitfox
> and it had the same lack of proper hardware.
> I am sure there are others.
>
> John Eckel, A230
==
==
==
==
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--> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
> My tech counselor looked at my progress today and as usual
> commented on what a fine kit the Europa is.
> However, he does have an issue with not using castle nuts and
> cotter pins on bolts that are holding rotating parts together.
> The aircraft maintenance manual does say that cotter keys
> should be used on all rotating parts. This includes all the
> controls in the cockpit module, the wings, flap pivot points
> and others I haven't found yet....
> John Eckel, A230
Neither in the control system where we secure a rod-end bearing nor the flap hinges,
if remain forever uncorroded, appear subject to bolt v. nut rotation. However,
on the flap hinges, I used castles and cotters, for the simple reason
for your average FAA inspector that's what he's used to seeing on production aircraft
and for ease of visual inspection. Inside the fuselage, going that way
will be an unnecessary maintenance headache. The downside on the flaps, though,
is fiddling with bolt lengths and thin washers so the hole lines up when
reasonably snug. Another option in retaining the self-locker is just add a simple
jam nut.
Regards,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | Re: Drop of a Hat Fly-ins |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@ukonline.co.uk>
Hi! William.
Fenland has excellent catering facilities. The N/S strip ia somewhat bumpy
though (Old ditch/drain filled in, I had to do a go round) I think the E/W
one is a new strip and will be less bumpy.
regards
Bob H G-PTAG
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Drop of a Hat Fly-ins
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
<combined.merchants@virgin.net>
>
> The viz and weather look better on Friday with less chance of fog, so I'll
> suggest we visit Old Sarum on Friday and Fenland on Saturday or Sunday.
> Both free landings in "Pilot". Old Sarum has a restaurant, but I'm not
sure
> about Fenland.
> Hope to see you on Friday.
> Regards,
> William
>
> (Do not archive)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Transponder antenna |
--> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
A 1/2-wave dipole will have to mounted inside the aircraft, which as you point
out, will be blocked in the forward direction. What this actually causes will
depend upon the performance of the xponder. Microair and the King KT-78 are
a bit weak in xmit; the Microair is relatively weak in receive according to their
specs. I see now why they fuss over length of the coax, which is a factor
in mounting the antenna way in the back -- at 1gHz, coax losses can be very significant.
The general rule is you get what you get. For VFR, practical fringe distance from
ATC's interrogating antennas lets you whack out about 75% in performance from
your installation and be still able to report all seems OK. For IFR, especially
at minimum enroute altitudes, it can be a different matter entirely, the
way their grid of interrogators are set up.
Regards,
Fred F.
> IMHO you will get better performance from a Bob Archer dipole antenna.
> We mounted ours somewhere back of the baggage bay to one side.
> It needs to be able to shine forward past the engine and back past the
> tailplane steam tube etc.
> Fred F might have better ideas? He knows more than I do about these
> things, I guess Bob knows even more, bobsantennas@earthlink.net
>
> Graham
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
Peter,
You bring up a good point and I had wondered about this.
The Europa does use a castle nut at the base of the stick at
a point where a tight fit would prevent the movement of the
stick. All the areas where a self-locking nuts are used is on
a rod end bearing where tightening the nut does affect the friction
of the parts.
I looked in AC 43-13, page 7-11, para 7-64d. It states that
self-locking nuts may be used in this situation.
I will have to call my counselor to discuss this.
Thanks to everyone who responded.
John Eckel, A230
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: cotter pins
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
>
> As an aside regarding safety wires etc. I remember from my preflights
> that the certified Katana also uses stiffnuts on some of the rotating
> parts, specifically the aileron bellcrank in the wing which is inspected
> through a clear plexi cover under the wing. In that case I noticed that
> they used a dab of bright goo (lockite maybe?) on the exposed threads &
> nut to be able to visually identify if the stiffnut had backed off.
>
> If a certified ship like the Katana uses the same stiff nut technology,
> I wonder how the latest 'Aircraft Maintenance Manual' can not list this
> method as acceptable. (what document is this manual? AC 4313?)
>
> Cheers,
> Pete
> A239
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rlborger [mailto:rlborger@mac.com]
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: cotter pins
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
>
> John,
>
> I had my TC in for my first inspection just before I bonded my cockpit
> module in. His comments about kit quality were very similar to those
> made by your counselor. My counselor also said that all the screw-in
> or screw-on parts should be safety wired or cotter pinned. I showed
> him the stiff-nuts provided by Europa and demonstrated how they work.
> He said; "Well, it's their kit and it seems to be working for them. Go
> ahead and build it the way they say to." He then signed off on the
> work.
>
> I hope you can work out a similar agreement with your counselor. I
> sure wouldn't have wanted to have to go back and replace every nut and
> bolt in my kit.
>
> Good building,
> Bob Borger
> Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, 914, Airmaster C/S
> (60%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
> system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, working chapters 23
> Fuselage Top, 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical & 29 Main Gear.
> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
> Corinth, TX 76208
> Home: 940-497-2123
> Cel: 817-992-1117
>
> > Hello,
> > My tech counselor looked at my progress today and as usual
> > commented on what a fine kit the Europa is.
> > However, he does have an issue with not using castle nuts and cotter
> pins
> > on bolts that are holding rotating parts together. The aircraft
> maintenance
> > manual does say that cotter keys should be used on all rotating
> parts. This includes
> > all the controls in the cockpit module, the wings, flap pivot points
> and others
> > I haven't found yet. So, I am in the process of getting new bolts,
> nuts and cotter
> > pins.
> > Has anyone else run into this problem?
> > The Europa is not the only kit with this problem, he was the TC on a
> Kitfox
> > and it had the same lack of proper hardware.
> > I am sure there are others.
> >
> > John Eckel, A230
>
>
> ==
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "John & Amy Eckel" <eckel1@comcast.net>
Thanks to the responses this problem has a happy
ending. I just spoke with my TC and he agrees that using
self-locking nuts in the way they are used on the Europa is
safe. The inner races are locked down tight with no rotation, therefore,
castle nuts and cotter pins are not necessary
Thanks,
John Eckel, A230
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| Subject: | Re: Drop of a Hat Fly-ins |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
I would love to be joining you William and Co. Whilst I am back in the
country, my plane is still being worked on. I decided to do one or two big
jobs on her whilst doing the annual.
I would bet that there are several 'Hat Droppers' out there doing the same
sort of thing, and that the momentum will soon start to pick up.
Good luck with the trip! It's nice to see that fly ins are starting across
the pond.
Bryan Allsop
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| Subject: | Re: Autopilots and their Servos |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
There are a number of comparisons of the digitrak and navaid available on
the net.
The one I am thinking of is at
http://pws.prserv.net/thoug/autopilot/compare.html
But the link doesn't seen to work a t the moment.
There are others and a search with the words digitrak and navaid will bring
them up.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Europa-List: Autopilots and their Servos
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>
> Gidday,
> This is a query for those that might know the difference between the
Navaid
> Servo and the TruTrak, whether one or other is digital versus analogue
> controlled, what type of mechanisms they are, and whether there is a
strong
> argument for one over the other. With Autopilots, the TrioAvionics unit
> appears to have the most capable head, and it uses the Navaid Servo. I
> asked about the servo and they cost $685 US, which is about $50 more than
> through Navaid, because they strip them down, adjust a few cogs, and also
> adjust the potentiometer, to dampen out some of the oscillation
> characteristics of these units, and then bench test with one of their
> control heads. So, when speaking to a TruTrak friend, he says his servo
> uses a stepper motor, which by the accurate way it stops and starts
> suggests a digital control, where the Navaid has potentiometers, so this
> implies an analogue signal, doesn't it. I am wondering if the Trio is
> particularly good with their head capabilities, but lacking with the
> technology put into their servos, or should I say, their choice to use the
> Navaid product. So, if anyone can shed any light on how these things work,
> and whether one is significantly better than the other, well I'd love to
know.
>
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Australia
>
> Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger (possibly convertible)
> Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
> Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
> Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
> Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
> Instrumentation: Undecided
>
>
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| Subject: | Any spare Polyfibre filler please? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "bryan allsop" <info@blackballclub.fsnet.co.uk>
Due to an unsightly bubble developing on the suface of my port aileron, I
decided to biuld a new one.
Seemed like a good idea at the time, but the cost in materials is getting
disproportionate. I have had to purchase far more fibre and resin than
necessary because small quantities are not readily available.
Now I have to fill and prime the aileron before applying the finish coat!
Does anyone in the UK have a small quantity of filling and priming materials
left over that they could let me have please? I will happily pay for them
and for any shipping costs.
Incidentally. I will happily reciprocate with my new surpluses of resin and
glass cloth.
Here's hoping. Bryan Allsop 01 246 207733 (Derbyshire)
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| Subject: | Europa Photo Gallery and Forum |
--> Europa-List message posted by: ScramIt@aol.com
Hello All,
After a few weeks of work and many behind the scenes emails, the Europa
Owners Forum is online!
First, The Forum is not trying to replace Matronics list server. The
Matronics service is outstanding and it's reliability unprecedented. The Forum
is just
another tool to use in your online communications.
After many long discussions with the Europa Club, a plan to move forward was
conceived. What we both agreed on was that we didn't need two places to have
to look to make sure you're getting all the Europa news and banter. We also
agreed that we needed a place to store our photos and possibly have complete
online builders photo albums.
Done! The Forum now has a full featured photo gallery installed. From the
main menu, click Gallery in the top right of your screen. Once fully registered
you can add photos one two or 50+ at a time. Into public albums or make your
own private album that only you can add to and edit.
Also I added a Fly In and Fly Out section. Planning, is much easier with all
the information in one spot. I've added the ability to include attachments to
your posts, so photos, documents, and PDF files can be added directly into
your post. Photos of the approach, knee board pdf files, whatever you can think
of. This section is an experiment that can be expanded or removed. Time will
tell.
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/
The Europa Owners Forum is a gift to our brothers and sisters in aviation
from Jos Okhuijsen and Steve Dunsmuir.
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Photo Gallery and Forum |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
Jos and Steve,
Excellent work, excellent idea, excellent presentation,excellent comradeship
and all the best.
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8005
New Zealand.
Ph 0064 3 3515166
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
----- Original Message -----
From: <ScramIt@aol.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Photo Gallery and Forum
> --> Europa-List message posted by: ScramIt@aol.com
>
> Hello All,
>
> After a few weeks of work and many behind the scenes emails, the Europa
> Owners Forum is online!
> First, The Forum is not trying to replace Matronics list server. The
> Matronics service is outstanding and it's reliability unprecedented. The
Forum is just
> another tool to use in your online communications.
>
> After many long discussions with the Europa Club, a plan to move forward
was
> conceived. What we both agreed on was that we didn't need two places to
have
> to look to make sure you're getting all the Europa news and banter. We
also
> agreed that we needed a place to store our photos and possibly have
complete
> online builders photo albums.
> Done! The Forum now has a full featured photo gallery installed. From the
> main menu, click Gallery in the top right of your screen. Once fully
registered
> you can add photos one two or 50+ at a time. Into public albums or make
your
> own private album that only you can add to and edit.
>
> Also I added a Fly In and Fly Out section. Planning, is much easier with
all
> the information in one spot. I've added the ability to include attachments
to
> your posts, so photos, documents, and PDF files can be added directly into
> your post. Photos of the approach, knee board pdf files, whatever you can
think
> of. This section is an experiment that can be expanded or removed. Time
will
> tell.
>
> http://forum.okhuijsen.org/
>
> The Europa Owners Forum is a gift to our brothers and sisters in aviation
> from Jos Okhuijsen and Steve Dunsmuir.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Auto pilots and their Servos |
--> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Tony,
The only backside to the Navaid is the use of their "turn-and
-bank" indicator used in conjunction with their servo. I did not want
to get rid of my turn coordinator to use their electronic version. I
want my "6 pack" to be normal. The Tru-Track is digital and is
completely separate in instrumentation from the flight instruments.
Plus, the Tru-Track has a build in "magnetic heading" indicator when not
using the tracking feature with your GPS unit. So, the decision was easy.
Separate with a back up mag heading indicator beats the Navaid.
Jim Nelson
On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 08:42:28 +1100 Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au> writes:
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> <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
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> Gidday,
> This is a query for those that might know the difference between the
> Navaid
> Servo and the TruTrak, whether one or other is digital versus
> analogue
> controlled, what type of mechanisms they are, and whether there is a
> strong
> argument for one over the other. With Autopilots, the TrioAvionics
> unit
> appears to have the most capable head, and it uses the Navaid Servo.
> I
> asked about the servo and they cost $685 US, which is about $50 more
> than
> through Navaid, because they strip them down, adjust a few cogs, and
> also
> adjust the potentiometer, to dampen out some of the oscillation
> characteristics of these units, and then bench test with one of
> their
> control heads. So, when speaking to a TruTrak friend, he says his
> servo
> uses a stepper motor, which by the accurate way it stops and starts
> suggests a digital control, where the Navaid has potentiometers, so
> this
> implies an analogue signal, doesn't it. I am wondering if the Trio
> is
> particularly good with their head capabilities, but lacking with
> the
> technology put into their servos, or should I say, their choice to
> use the
> Navaid product. So, if anyone can shed any light on how these things
> work,
> and whether one is significantly better than the other, well I'd
> love to know.
>
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Australia
>
> Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger (possibly convertible)
> Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
> Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
> Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
> Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
> Instrumentation: Undecided
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| Subject: | Re: XS Trigear rudder cable alignment |
--> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Hi John,
I only used one set of turn buckles located at the bell crank of
grahams kit. That was the turn buckles are supported by the bell crank.
The cables are supported at the end of the cockpit module and half way to
the tower and one on the tower. This totals 3 supports from the pulley
to the bell crank. Nothing touching the floor and each ferel alters the
cable direction just a bit. This keeps from making any drastic direction
changes that fairleads are not designed to make. You will only make one
adjustment on the cable turn buckles from the pedals to the back. Just
enough to keep the cables lightly snug. After that all yo do is to keep
pulling the rudder pedals reaward and not tightning the cables at all.
Ta da----
I like purple martins. Yessss sirrrr reee. They keep the
skeeters to almos nothing. I also was lucky to have a small family of
bats close by and they were great at keeping the skeeters to almost zero.
Mother nature can relly help.
Looking forward to coming. It looks like three of us for sure
and maybe a fourth. Depending on the "doctor" in the sky in Oklahoma.
Three is good and four is better. Weather is the main factor. My guess
with out really checking it out is about 4 1/2 hours each way. Nice
cross country. See ya soon
Jim Nelson
On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 19:47:10 EST TELEDYNMCS@aol.com writes:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
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> Hi Jim,
>
> Thanks for the info. I've experimented with a few different
> materials for
> fairleads, various kinds of tubing, phenolic, etc. Neville said to
> use the black
> brake line tubing that came with the kit. It would probably work,
> but the
> nylon ones that Spruce has seem to have the lowest friction by far.
> I'm putting a
> set in the rear bulkhead, at the tower on a plywood spreader, and in
> the
> tunnel where the rudder cable passes the gas tank. Sure don't want
> that rudder
> cable slapping the gas tank! I'm also putting turnbuckles just
> behind the baggage
> bay supports where they will be accessible from the access hole in
> the
> bulkhead. I might end up putting another set at the baggage bay
> supports if the
> turnbuckles want to slap the floor.
>
> Hope you can make our fly-in! The Purple Martins are in residence at
> our
> field along about that time. They make it very pleasant to be
> outdoors. (no
> skeeters)
>
> Regards,
>
> John Lawton
> Dunlap, TN
> A-245 (getting all the little tidbits done before the top goes on)
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| Subject: | Re: Southeast Europa Fly In !!! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Augustene,
You only have to get thru the private license. Then you could
"just be there" while your copilot guides it along!!! I'm not looking
forward to the day I get the tap on the shoulder (hopefully not the big
one) and I can not guide mine thru the skys alone. I hope Jim gets the
blessing from the great "doctor" in the sky. Its a bummer to have a geat
flying machine and not be able to use it.
Jim
On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 15:14:38 -0500 Augustene Brown <augustene@cfl.rr.com>
writes:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Augustene Brown
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> Hey Jim,
>
> You're gettin' personal now ;-) . I took flying lessons in the 70's
> and
> for the first time in my life I had sweaty palms - and swore off
> piloting. I'm tough, don't mind jumpin' out on a sunny day, but
> having
> to fly that bird alone scares me to death.
>
> Warm regards,
> Augustene
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> James Nelson wrote:
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> >Hi Jim,
> > Yes, that would be real neat with 4 Europa's landing at the
> same
> >time. I hope the WX allows for the fight. I hope the Doc give you
> the
> >magic blessings. You could get Augustene to get her private
> license and
> >you just go along as a pax--????
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> >Jim
> >N15JN
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| Subject: | Re: Southeast Europa Fly In !!! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Hi Kingsley,
I'm not much of a writer but it might give it a whirl. I don't
know who to sent it to if I got something down on the computer. :-(
Finishing the exterior will take some time. Thank goodness for
the 4" DA sander and some black lacquer paint that I used as "indicator".
I used the water based primer that is rolled on in many layers. I made
sure there was enough filling primer to get things pretty good. If you
use the solvent style primer, put lots on in several layers. You will
sand most of it off. Now that I had the finish I wanted with the water
based primer, I next had to use the primer that goes with your color
paint. I used PPG's Concept paint to do mine. I was very tired of
sanding so I did what is known as "wet on wet". Your painter sprays on
the primer and waits for about 10 to 15 minutes and then starts putting
on the color coat. This way your bird is primed and painted in one trip.
The down side is it would be nice to sand the color primer one last time
to get the finish really nice before you put the color coat on. I was
just very tired of sanding and wanted it DONE. Its worked out nice as
the finish looks pretty good. I think I have toooooo much paint on the
bird. Paint weighs a bunch and my "auto" painter probably put on to
much. All in all, my bird came out to 890# with all things attached.
(except the wing leveler and aux fuel tank).
Jim
On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:42:00 +1000 "Kingsley Hurst"
<hurstkr@growzone.com.au> writes:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst"
> <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
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> James Nelson wrote:
> " I reached a point in the build when I said "enough
> mod's" and just get it in the air"
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> Thanks Jim,
>
> I can relate to the "point" you reached...... think I am very close
> to it
> now too!
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> Hope you all have a great time. After the event, how about writing
> an
> article for the Europa Flyer so we can all enjoy the experience!!
>
> Cheers
> Kingsley
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| Subject: | Re: Drop of a Hat Fly-ins |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Still looks good for Friday, everywhere, so confirm 12.00 hrs at Old Sarum
tomorrow. See Bob Harrison's e-mail re catering and runway facilities at
Fenland.
William
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----- Original Message -----
From: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Drop of a Hat Fly-ins
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
<combined.merchants@virgin.net>
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> The viz and weather look better on Friday with less chance of fog, so I'll
> suggest we visit Old Sarum on Friday and Fenland on Saturday or Sunday.
> Both free landings in "Pilot". Old Sarum has a restaurant, but I'm not
sure
> about Fenland.
> Hope to see you on Friday.
> Regards,
> William
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