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1. 06:34 AM - Re: Six Nations Tour - 1st May to 8th May 2004 (Peter Grant)
2. 09:46 AM - AFSAFE seatbelts (Erich Trombley)
3. 10:53 AM - Re: Seatbelts (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
4. 11:12 AM - Shoulder harness (Fergus Kyle)
5. 11:41 AM - Re: Drop of a Hat Fly-ins - Fenland (Ami McFadyean)
6. 12:23 PM - Europa Website (Alan)
7. 12:35 PM - Re: Europa Website (ivor.phillips)
8. 12:51 PM - Re: Seatbelts (Fergus Kyle)
9. 01:06 PM - Re: Seatbelts (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
10. 01:08 PM - Re: Europa Website (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
11. 01:34 PM - Re: Europa Website (Jos Okhuijsen)
12. 02:09 PM - Re: AFSAFE seat belts (James H Nelson)
13. 02:09 PM - Re: Shoulder harness (James H Nelson)
14. 02:43 PM - Regulator and things (Paul Stewart)
15. 02:59 PM - Re: Europa Website (Europa Aircraft)
16. 03:27 PM - Re: Seatbelt Photos (ScramIt@aol.com)
17. 05:13 PM - Re: Seatbelts (Fergus Kyle)
18. 05:14 PM - Re: Europa Website (Fergus Kyle)
19. 05:30 PM - Re: Europa Website (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
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| Subject: | Six Nations Tour - 1st May to 8th May 2004 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Grant" <peter@us-eurolink.co.uk>
Needs to get out more - and is obviously planning to so do!
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Mills
Subject: Europa-List: Six Nations Tour - 1st May to 8th May 2004
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
<combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Dear All,
I have volunteered to plan a trip round a few of the countries in Europe
during the first week in May. (1st to 8th) My initial thoughts are to
visit France, Switzerland, Northern Italy, Austria, Czech Republic and
Home through Germany. If we are unlucky with the weather we will divert
to wherever it is flyable (as we did in 2002). If any of our
Continental Europa Friends would like to join in they will be most
welcome.
We shall not book any hotels ahead so as to leave us totally flexible.
In the past we have never been stuck for accommodation. Anybody
interested in participating, please drop me a line with your details to
combined.merchants@virgin.net or phone on 01495785499.
Best wishes,
William
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| Subject: | AFSAFE seatbelts |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Erich Trombley <erichdtrombley@juno.com>
Tom writes,
"Hi Erich
Did you mount the inertial reels on the same anchor point that the
Europa harnesses use? How much did they cost. I couldn't find a price
list.
Thanks
Tom Friedland A 079 N96V XS mono Jabiru/Airmaster"
Tom,yes I used the same attach points as the original harness. Sorry, but I can't
remember what I paid for them. Purchased them at Sun-N-Fun many many years
ago.
Erich Trombley
N28ET, Classic Monowheel
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02/23/2004 01:52:21 PM,
Serialize complete at 02/23/2004 01:52:21 PM
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
Greetings,
It may be worth pointing out that the standard headrest attach point on
the
Europa does not statisfy either the FAA or the EAA guidelines for shoulder
belt placement. Prior to that stage of construction you may want to look
at the
appropriate FAA advisory circular. I followed Bob Berube's example and
tied the shoulder belts to the fuse seam line just behind the baggage
bulkhead
with a big reinforcing hardpoint layup and a sturdy aluminum bracket
Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | Shoulder harness |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
There was a thread regarding the ideal anchor point being above the shoulder
line to prevent crushed vertibrae in the event of a high-G stop.
Has anyone evolved a high anchor point (say, based on a cable point in the
after baggage bay area) or similar?
Cheers, Ferg
A064 914 mono Classic
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| Subject: | Re: Drop of a Hat Fly-ins - Fenland |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
It was the weather that stunk!
Duncan McF.
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Drop of a Hat Fly-ins - Fenland
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
<combined.merchants@virgin.net>
>
> Only one made it to Fenland!! I'll have to check my personal hygiene.
> Regards,
> William
> (Do not archive)
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan" <aopd37@dsl.pipex.com>
Anyone having problems acessing the Europa Company Website on:
www.europa-aircraft.com
I keep getting re-directed to another website, Network solutions.
Alan
#303
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Website |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
Same Here
Ivor
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan" <aopd37@dsl.pipex.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Website
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan" <aopd37@dsl.pipex.com>
>
> Anyone having problems acessing the Europa Company Website on:
>
> www.europa-aircraft.com
>
> I keep getting re-directed to another website, Network solutions.
>
> Alan
> #303
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: <irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Seatbelts
| --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
|
| Greetings,
|
| It may be worth pointing out that the standard headrest attach point on
| the
| Europa does not statisfy either the FAA or the EAA guidelines for shoulder
| belt placement. Prior to that stage of construction you may want to look
| at the
| appropriate FAA advisory circular. I followed Bob Berube's example and
| tied the shoulder belts to the fuse seam line just behind the baggage
| bulkhead
| with a big reinforcing hardpoint layup and a sturdy aluminum bracket
|
|
| Ira N224XS
======================================================
Ira!
You beat me by one! May I ask for the details of the shoulder
strap anchor point? I presume it withstands several horizontal G?
Cheers, Ferg
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02/23/2004 04:06:12 PM,
Serialize complete at 02/23/2004 04:06:12 PM
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
Hi Fergus!
Sorry to say, I did not test it to destruction ;-)
After the fuse was joined, I scuff sanded about 18" square surrounding the
retaining bracket.
Redux under bracket and 4 or 5 ply on top covering the sanded area. I'll
put some pix on my
site shortly. Its too bad I can't just post the pdf of the AC from the
FAA
Ira
"Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Sent by: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
02/23/04 03:55 PM
Please respond to europa-list
To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
cc:
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Seatbelts
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: <irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Seatbelts
| --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
|
| Greetings,
|
| It may be worth pointing out that the standard headrest attach point on
| the
| Europa does not statisfy either the FAA or the EAA guidelines for
shoulder
| belt placement. Prior to that stage of construction you may want to look
| at the
| appropriate FAA advisory circular. I followed Bob Berube's example and
| tied the shoulder belts to the fuse seam line just behind the baggage
| bulkhead
| with a big reinforcing hardpoint layup and a sturdy aluminum bracket
|
|
| Ira N224XS
======================================================
Ira!
You beat me by one! May I ask for the details of the shoulder
strap anchor point? I presume it withstands several horizontal G?
Cheers, Ferg
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Website |
02/23/2004 04:08:36 PM,
Serialize complete at 02/23/2004 04:08:36 PM
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
This is what happens when you don't renew your domain name with Network
Solutions.
I hope John is working on this even as we speak, I have seen other sites
held for ransom
if the owner does not work quickly
Ira
"ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
Sent by: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
02/23/04 03:36 PM
Please respond to europa-list
To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
cc:
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Website
--> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips"
<ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
Same Here
Ivor
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan" <aopd37@dsl.pipex.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Website
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan" <aopd37@dsl.pipex.com>
>
> Anyone having problems acessing the Europa Company Website on:
>
> www.europa-aircraft.com
>
> I keep getting re-directed to another website, Network solutions.
>
> Alan
> #303
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Website |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jos Okhuijsen <josok@ukolo.fi>
Mail seems to work, at least no bounce sofar.
Jos Okhuijsen, kit 600 working on flaps, last of the blue.
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| Subject: | Re: AFSAFE seat belts |
--> Europa-List message posted by: James H Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Eric,
Just a bit of warning. Mounting the inertial reel to the back of
the seat is not the best place. The area is TO LOW. In a crash that
point will cause you to have compression fractures of the back. The
shoulder harness needs to go horizontal or upward from the top of your
shoulders. Check with any belt manufacturer. I installed inertial reels
in mine but I made a bracket that I glassed to the top near the rear
bulkhead. Having spent time in the military, I learned a bunch about
aircraft safety and design. My shoulder straps don't really get in the
way but they are "there". I am very glad I installed them. They are
very comfortable. I highly recommend them for safety and comfort.
Jim Nelson
N15JN
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| Subject: | Re: Shoulder harness |
--> Europa-List message posted by: James H Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Ferg,
As usual, I have that in my aircraft. I made aluminum brackets
that I glassed to the top and mounted the inertial reel to it. Bob does
not have an inertial reel on his design. He does solve the angular issue
that Europa does not. Having a fixed belt causes you to leave the straps
loose while working around the cockpit. In doing so you might "forget"
to snug them up during take off and landing. Its one more thing to go
wrong in an emergency that can really hurt you. It's my opinion but I
reached a ripe old age of 60 and I intend to get alot older with out
breaking anything. If it goes beyond the capabilities of my installed
systems, it won't make any difference. The Europa is very strong as
demonstrated several times by our colleagues who have met misfortune.
Check the history.
Jim Nelson
(I just have safety issues that should be solved to protect your butt and
this is the only major one)
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| Subject: | Regulator and things |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Can anyone who has wired their a/c with OV crowbar mod using electric
Bob's module/relay etc possibly supply me with a picture of what the
wiring actually looks like. I freely admit to being able to deal with
battery/ switch/ bulb and not much beyond, but I'm having great
difficulty reconciling the Europa club mod wiring diagram, the version
published in aero electric connection for PM generator and eal bits of
wire and relays.
Regards
Paul
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
No Ira our DNS did not expire. I had to change our DNS server, this caused
some ISP's DNS to temporarily point to our "under construction" page. This
did not effect everyone. For those that were effected, the Europa web page
should be up soon as there ISP's upload the new info.
Also, I did not choose to renew the incorrect europaaircraft.com domain when
it expired last month. So if you try to use that instead of
europa-aircraft.com then you will not see anything.
If anyone wants to desperately get on the Europa factory page before there
server uploads the new DNS info than they can go straight to our IP which
is:
http://216.87.181.57
Happy Building & Flying!
John Hurst
Europa Aircraft
Lakeland, FL
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Website
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
This is what happens when you don't renew your domain name with Network
Solutions.
I hope John is working on this even as we speak, I have seen other sites
held for ransom
if the owner does not work quickly
Ira
"ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
Sent by: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
02/23/04 03:36 PM
Please respond to europa-list
To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
cc:
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Website
--> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips"
<ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
Same Here
Ivor
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan" <aopd37@dsl.pipex.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Website
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan" <aopd37@dsl.pipex.com>
>
> Anyone having problems acessing the Europa Company Website on:
>
> www.europa-aircraft.com
>
> I keep getting re-directed to another website, Network solutions.
>
> Alan
> #303
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Seatbelt Photos |
--> Europa-List message posted by: ScramIt@aol.com
Ira I'd like to see the photos also, why not stick them on
http://forum.okhuijsen.org/
Click Gallery
Click Builders Album
Click "Add Photos" and send them up..........
Done!
1144 photos and counting........
SteveD.
> Sorry to say, I did not test it to destruction=A0 ;-)
> After the fuse was joined, I scuff sanded about 18" square surrounding the
> retaining bracket. Redux under bracket and 4 or 5 ply on top covering the
> sanded area.=A0 I'll
> put some pix on my site shortly.=A0 Its too bad I can't just post the pdf=20of
> the AC from the
> FAA
>
> Ira
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: <irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Seatbelts
| --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
|
| Hi Fergus!
|
| Sorry to say, I did not test it to destruction ;-)
| After the fuse was joined, I scuff sanded about 18" square surrounding the
| retaining bracket.
| Redux under bracket and 4 or 5 ply on top covering the sanded area. I'll
| put some pix on my
| site shortly. Its too bad I can't just post the pdf of the AC from the
| FAA
Ira,
Give me a day or two - I think I have that tract. If you don't
hear by then it's gone............
Ferg
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Website |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: <irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Website
| --> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
|
| This is what happens when you don't renew your domain name with Network
| Solutions.
| I hope John is working on this even as we speak, I have seen other sites
| held for ransom
| if the owner does not work quickly
|
| Ira
|
|
| "ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
| Sent by: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
| 02/23/04 03:36 PM
| Please respond to europa-list
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| To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
| cc:
| Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Website
|
|
| --> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips"
| <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
|
| Same Here
| Ivor
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Alan" <aopd37@dsl.pipex.com>
| To: "europa-list" <europa-list@matronics.com>
| Subject: Europa-List: Europa Website
|
|
| > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan" <aopd37@dsl.pipex.com>
| >
| > Anyone having problems acessing the Europa Company Website on:
| >
| > www.europa-aircraft.com
| >
| > I keep getting re-directed to another website, Network solutions.
| >
| > Alan
| > #303
I'm still getting it OK.........
Ferg
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02/23/2004 08:30:24 PM,
Serialize complete at 02/23/2004 08:30:24 PM
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
Hi John,
Its a good thing!
One of the medical societies that I wrote the site for did not renew in
time,
they wound up changing the name of the society (from SIVA to ISAP) rather
than pay
to restore the domain.
Ira
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