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1. 01:00 AM - Re: What is Nextel ??? (Ami McFadyean)
2. 01:09 AM - Re: 80 HP 912 Cold Starts (Ami McFadyean)
3. 02:36 AM - Starting tips (Graham Singleton)
4. 04:17 AM - Re: Take off power tests (David Joyce)
5. 04:34 AM - Re: Battery (David Joyce)
6. 04:59 AM - Re: 80 HP 912 Cold Starts (nigel charles)
7. 05:07 AM - Re: 914 Staring tips (Garry Stout)
8. 09:17 AM - Re: 914 Staring tips (Fergus Kyle)
9. 09:53 AM - Re: 914 Staring tips (Europa Aircraft)
10. 11:45 AM - Re: 914 Staring tips (nigel charles)
11. 11:50 AM - Re: 914 Staring tips (Garry Stout)
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| Subject: | Re: What is Nextel ??? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Paint for instrument panels.
See:
www.nextel.co.uk
Duncan McF
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Europa-List: What is Nextel ???
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
>
> Duncan,
> This product rings a very distant bell. Is it an adhesive coating, or a
> paint for instrument panels, or what???
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
> At 01:17 PM 3/6/2004 +0000, you wrote:
> >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean"
> ><ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
> >
> >Does anyone in the UK have a small quantity of grey (preferably dark)
Nextel
> >left over and that I could beg, steal or borrow?
> >
> >Duncan McF.
> >
> >Do not acrchive.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 80 HP 912 Cold Starts |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Check your gearbox set-up, particularly for sufficient friction in the 'dog
clutch'.
When these get too loose, the effect is as you describe.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Mills" <combined.merchants@virgin.net>
Subject: Europa-List: 80 HP 912 Cold Starts
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
<combined.merchants@virgin.net>
>
> Hi All,
> This winter, I have been having difficulty starting when cold, because of
what would appear to be early detonation. The engine fires and stops the
rotation dead. This can happen several times before it starts. I can't
remember having this problem last winter or the one before that. Has any
one else experienced this, because I am sure it can't be doing the engine,
or mount, much good. Otherwise, when running it seems to be functioning
well. Warm starts are without choke are OK. Can the timing slip on a 912?
> Any advice welcome.
> Regards,
> William
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
At 23:56 06/03/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
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>Hi all,
>
>I am sure that this has been covered before. I find mine difficult to
>start when
>cold. Warm starts are instant. Is there an optimal choke / throttle setting
>
>Paul
Yes,
Make sure the throttle is completely closed!
The so called "choke" (in english anyway) is NOT a choke, it's a starting
carburetor and can't work when the main carb is open.
Graham
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| Subject: | Re: Take off power tests |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Paul, I have found no occasion (with my 914) that I need full power for 5
mins other than the PFA flight test, and I would be very cautious about
planning 5 mins full power on the ground. It is extremely easy to overheat
the engine, particularly when new and the rough edges haven't yet worn off
the moving parts. Regards David Joyce G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul McAllister <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Take off power tests
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Hi all,
>
> One of the tests I wish to make it to ensure that the engine will develop
full take off power for 5 minutes. Could someone advise me on how to secure
the aircraft safely for this task.
>
> Thanks, Paul
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Paul, My 914/ Kremen CS combination has got along beautifully with a 17 AH
Odyssey gas recombinant battery which sits on the starboard firewall. They
are said to be capable of producing 1000amps cranking power and it certainly
feels like it. I am quite prepared to believe that you could get away with a
13 AH version, although you would have diminished get home capability with
the 2 electric fuel pumps if the alternator packed up (having said which, if
the battery is full and the wits are sharp and every thing else is switched
off you should comfortably outlast the fuel supply).It weighs about 6kg.
Available from Groves in Cheltenham, tel 01242 514940
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Battery
> --> Europa-List message posted by: europa@pstewart.f2s.com
>
> What's the consensus on battery capacity - 914/airmaster but UK based so
VFR
> only. I've heard anything from 17 to 30 AH but there's quite a weight
> difference there.
>
> Regards
>
> Paul Stewart G-GIDY
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 80 HP 912 Cold Starts |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi William
>This winter, I have been having difficulty starting when cold, because of
what would appear to be early detonation. The engine fires and stops the
rotation dead. This can happen several times before it starts. I can't
remember having this problem last winter or the one before that. Has any
one else experienced this, because I am sure it can't be doing the engine,
or mount, much good. Otherwise, when running it seems to be functioning
well. Warm starts are without choke are OK. Can the timing slip on a 912?<
The pick-up coils for the ignition determine the timing. As far as I am
aware there is no adjustment in angular position to adjust timing. However
the setting of clearance from the flywheel will affect the timing very
slightly. One idea to help prevent the starting problem you describe is to
make sure the starter is up to max motoring speed before selecting full
choke. This way there might be enough inertia to get the engine closer to
TDC before ignition. The problem you describe is also more likely to happen
if the battery is not providing quite as much cranking energy as normal.
This might be why it happens more on colds starts. Cold oil and a battery
that has not received any charge for a few weeks both contribute to a slower
cranking speed. An external battery for the first flight of the day may help
to improve starting performance and will also help to keep your expensive
a/c battery in peak condition. The problem tends to be even more noticeable
with 912S engines due to the higher compression
Nigel Charles
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| Subject: | Re: 914 Staring tips |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Garry Stout" <garrys@tampabay.rr.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> I am sure that this has been covered before. I find mine difficult to
start when cold. Warm starts are instant. Is there an optimal choke /
throttle setting ?
Paul, I'm sure each case may be different as regards cold starting problems
on the 914. I replaced my battery, changed out the spark plugs, tried every
combination of choke and throttle, and even sprayed some "starting fluid"
into the intake tract.........all to no avail. The engine would turn over
just fine, but would show no signs of ignition. Ultimately it turned out to
be "crud" in the carburetors. I had been burning mogas for 300 hours or so.
Upon rebuilding the carbs, the engine now starts instantly, regardless of
temperature.
Garry Stout
N4220S 914 trigear
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| Subject: | Re: 914 Staring tips |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
From: "Garry Stout" <garrys@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 Staring tips
| --> Europa-List message posted by: "Garry Stout" <garrys@tampabay.rr.com>
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
| > I am sure that this has been covered before. I find mine difficult to
| start when cold. Warm starts are instant. Is there an optimal choke /
| throttle setting ?
|
| Paul, I'm sure each case may be different as regards cold starting
problems
| on the 914. I replaced my battery, changed out the spark plugs, tried
every
| combination of choke and throttle, and even sprayed some "starting fluid"
| into the intake tract.........all to no avail. The engine would turn over
| just fine, but would show no signs of ignition. Ultimately it turned out
to
| be "crud" in the carburetors. I had been burning mogas for 300 hours or
so.
| Upon rebuilding the carbs, the engine now starts instantly, regardless of
| temperature. | Garry Stout|
Cheers,
...ben reading the mail and collecting all this starting lark -
'specially the carb 'crud' and determined Iw ill clean carbs as a recurring
task. In regard to the amount of mogas used, what is the concensus as to a
decent interval for such toil?
Ferg
A064
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| Subject: | 914 Staring tips |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
Fergus,
How much you fly has a lot to do with it. If the airplane is flown weekly,
then likely the carbs will stay clean, however, the "crud" happens with
mogas when they sit for a month or two without running. Our demonstrators,
built in 2000, never had dirty carbs because they are constantly flown.
Please don't use that as an excuse to use 100LL all the time though. 100LL
has a whole other set of evils that are worse if used more than 30% of the
time.
So - if it sits a lot, and is becoming hard to start, then the logical thing
to do would be to clean the carbs at that point.
Happy Building!!
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fergus Kyle
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 Staring tips
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
From: "Garry Stout" <garrys@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 Staring tips
| --> Europa-List message posted by: "Garry Stout" <garrys@tampabay.rr.com>
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
| > I am sure that this has been covered before. I find mine difficult to
| start when cold. Warm starts are instant. Is there an optimal choke /
| throttle setting ?
|
| Paul, I'm sure each case may be different as regards cold starting
problems
| on the 914. I replaced my battery, changed out the spark plugs, tried
every
| combination of choke and throttle, and even sprayed some "starting fluid"
| into the intake tract.........all to no avail. The engine would turn over
| just fine, but would show no signs of ignition. Ultimately it turned out
to
| be "crud" in the carburetors. I had been burning mogas for 300 hours or
so.
| Upon rebuilding the carbs, the engine now starts instantly, regardless of
| temperature. | Garry Stout|
Cheers,
...ben reading the mail and collecting all this starting lark -
'specially the carb 'crud' and determined Iw ill clean carbs as a recurring
task. In regard to the amount of mogas used, what is the concensus as to a
decent interval for such toil?
Ferg
A064
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| Subject: | Re: 914 Staring tips |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>...ben reading the mail and collecting all this starting lark -
'specially the carb 'crud' and determined Iw ill clean carbs as a recurring
task. In regard to the amount of mogas used, what is the concensus as to a
decent interval for such toil?<
I would suggest it is very dependant on the quality of the mogas. I have
done about 110hrs of which about 100hrs has been on UK mogas. I have yet to
find any contamination at all in the carbs. I do use a Mr Funnel and an
Andair gascolator but I think that the purity of the mogas must be pretty
good as there is no contamination in the gascolator either. In the early
days it is good to check the gascolator and carbs regularly. I would suggest
at 25hrs, 50hrs and 100hrs. If no significant amount of contamination is
found then every 100hrs should be adequate.
Nigel Charles
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| Subject: | Re: 914 Staring tips |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Garry Stout" <garrys@tampabay.rr.com>
All,
I misspoke on my last posting. I meant to say I had used avgas (100 LL)
fuel since the beginning.....and had 300 hours on the engine when the crud
in the carburetors began. I've since switched to mogas. I don't know
whether one type of fuel or the other contributes more or less to crudding.
The factory authorized Rotax repair shop here in Florida told me that carb
crud is a fairly common problem. Fortunately, it won't cause any engine
stoppages in flight, but simply causes hard starting problems. I guess my
suggestion is, if you begin to have starting problems, and have tried all
the usual "easy" fixes, then think about rebuilding the carbs.
Garry Stout
----- Original Message -----
From: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: 914 Staring tips
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Europa Aircraft" <europa@gate.net>
>
> Fergus,
>
> How much you fly has a lot to do with it. If the airplane is flown
weekly,
> then likely the carbs will stay clean, however, the "crud" happens with
> mogas when they sit for a month or two without running. Our
demonstrators,
> built in 2000, never had dirty carbs because they are constantly flown.
>
> Please don't use that as an excuse to use 100LL all the time though.
100LL
> has a whole other set of evils that are worse if used more than 30% of the
> time.
>
> So - if it sits a lot, and is becoming hard to start, then the logical
thing
> to do would be to clean the carbs at that point.
>
> Happy Building!!
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fergus Kyle
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 Staring tips
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
>
> From: "Garry Stout" <garrys@tampabay.rr.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 Staring tips
<garrys@tampabay.rr.com>
> problems
> every
fluid"
over
out
> to
> so.
of
>
> Cheers,
> ...ben reading the mail and collecting all this starting
lark -
> 'specially the carb 'crud' and determined Iw ill clean carbs as a
recurring
> task. In regard to the amount of mogas used, what is the concensus as to a
> decent interval for such toil?
> Ferg
> A064
>
>
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