---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/10/04: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:28 AM - Re: Wastegate Servo (Tony Krzyzewski) 2. 12:45 AM - Re: Warp Drive blades (Neville Eyre) 3. 02:03 AM - Re: ventilation (RoddyEuropa@aol.com) 4. 06:11 AM - Re: ventilation (KARL HEINDL) 5. 08:32 AM - Re: ventilation (Richard) 6. 09:17 AM - Re: On the way to top on! (Armstrong) 7. 10:16 AM - Re: ventilation (Paul Stewart) 8. 12:31 PM - Re: On the way to top on! (ScramIt@aol.com) 9. 01:34 PM - europa fleet hours tops 40000! (Rowland Carson) 10. 01:34 PM - Fw: Europa evening (UK, Bristol area) (Rowland Carson) 11. 04:18 PM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 03/09/04 (Graham Singleton) 12. 04:18 PM - Re: On the way to top on! (James Nelson) 13. 04:18 PM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 03/09/04 (Graham Singleton) 14. 04:18 PM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 03/09/04 (Graham Singleton) 15. 05:29 PM - Re: On the way to top on! (KARL HEINDL) 16. 07:28 PM - Re: Warp Drive blades (Steve Hagar) 17. 07:42 PM - Re: europa fleet hours tops 40000! (Steve & Eileen Genotte) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:28:49 AM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: Wastegate Servo From: "Tony Krzyzewski" --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Krzyzewski" >> How does one disconnect the cable from the wastegate servo from the engine so that the servo can be mounted inside the firewall and then get it readjusted so that it operates properly? I marked the position of the servo actuator relative to the body and also marked the cable so that it's position in the servo actuator could be reestablished. Once I had installed the cable it was a relatively simple task to reinstall the cable so that it ended up in its original position. You'll find that using a cablesafe with 3/16" sleeve will give you a nice and tidy firewall penetration for the cable. Tony ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:45:07 AM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: Warp Drive blades From: "Neville Eyre" --> Europa-List message posted by: "Neville Eyre" Hi All, Been there, done that, got the tee shirt ! Sand the other blades to match,[ I normally round off the trailing edge, in ''plan view'', and put a 1/16'' radius on the end] check with your thumbnail to see if there is a crack in ''the endgrain''. Finnish with W&D paper of about 800 grit, and then seal the raw end with a lick of epoxy. Use a digital scale to check individual blade weights, Warp Drive supply them within 0.5 gram, no reason not to get to 0.2 if your scales read that small ? Mask off the last 3'' or so of the blade, and paint the tips a nice colour , with more coats on the lighter ones to get the weights even. Hope this will help ? Cheers, Nev. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Hagar Subject: Europa-List: Warp Drive blades --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" Due to a ground handling boo boo I got an ouch on one of my warp drive blades. I roughed up the trailing edge of one of the blade tips. As a consequence about a 1/4" x 3/8" of that corner is now gone. I dresesed it and smoothed it with some sandpaper. The question now is : Is this significant? Do I make the other blades look like this? Do I not worry about it till I balance the prop and take care of it with prop hub weights? Steve (Starting to get burned out) Hagar A143 Mesa, AZ Steve Hagar hagargs@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:03:58 AM PST US From: RoddyEuropa@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: ventilation --> Europa-List message posted by: RoddyEuropa@aol.com Mine broke as well. Terrible design. Here is a simple repair method which works well. You need to attach a large washer about 25mm in diameter to a 5 mm machine screw about, 25 mm long. I used the large washers supplied with the kit for spreading the load when bolting to glassfibre. I used a countersunk machine screw, drilled a countersunk hole in the washer, then welded across the screw head and ground it flat. Then remove the remains of the feeble plastic screw from the vent, and sand the vent flat. Run a 5mm tap through the plastic knob that you turn to operate the vent. I suspect that you don't even need to do this if you haven't got a tap to match your screw - the machine screw will probably cut its own thread. Stick a double sided adhesive pad on the washer. The ones sold by automotives parts stores to attache mirrors to windscreens are ideal, or double sided foam tape. Screw the machine screw into the plastic, slide the vent cover in, and turn the knob to push the screw against the cover. Voila! About 30 minutes work and performs perfectly. Hope this makes sense - it is easier to do than describe! Roddy Kesterton #220 In a message dated 3/9/2004 6:48:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, kheindl@msn.com writes: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" > > > Richard, > > > You say that you managed to fix the broken threads, but > didn't tell us how you did it. > > > Mine also broke shortly after installation. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:27 AM PST US From: "KARL HEINDL" Subject: Re: Europa-List: ventilation --> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" do not archive many thanks Roddy. looks like a good solution and I just printed it off. Karl From: RoddyEuropa@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: ventilation -- Europa-List message posted by: RoddyEuropa@aol.com Mine broke as well. Terrible design. Here is a simple repair method which works well. You need to attach a large washer about 25mm in diameter to a 5 mm machine screw about, 25 mm long. I used the large washers supplied with the kit for spreading the load when bolting to glassfibre. I used a countersunk machine screw, drilled a countersunk hole in the washer, then welded across the screw head and ground it flat. Then remove the remains of the feeble plastic screw from the vent, and sand the vent flat. Run a 5mm tap through the plastic knob that you turn to operate the vent. I suspect that you don't even need to do this if you haven't got a tap to match your screw - the machine screw will probably cut its own thread. Stick a double sided adhesive pad on the washer. The ones sold by automotives parts stores to attache mirrors to windscreens are ideal, or double sided foam tape. Screw the machine screw into the plastic, slide the vent cover in, and turn the knob to push the screw against the cover. Voila! About 30 minutes work and performs perfectly.Hope this makes sense - it is easier to do than describe! Roddy Kesterton #220 In a message dated 3/9/2004 6:48:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, kheindl@msn.com writes: -- Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" Richard, You say that you managed to fix the broken threads, but didn't tell us how you did it. Mine also broke shortly after installation. Stay in touch better and keep protected online with MSNs NEW all-in-one Premium Services. Find out more here. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:22 AM PST US From: "Richard" Subject: RE: Europa-List: ventilation --> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard" I welded a countersunk bolt into a small metal plate, used that as a tap to rethread the plastic 'nut', then pop riveted it into place on the flap to replace the original peg. Takes a lot more turns to open or close it now but so far it seems OK. Richard Iddon. G-RIXS -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KARL HEINDL Subject: RE: Europa-List: ventilation --> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" Richard, You say that you managed to fix the broken threads, but didn't tell us how you did it. Mine also broke shortly after installation. Karl ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:17:11 AM PST US From: "Armstrong" Subject: Re: Europa-List: On the way to top on! --> Europa-List message posted by: "Armstrong" ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:16:10 AM PST US From: Paul Stewart Subject: Re: Europa-List: ventilation --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart Thanks to all who responed about ventilation. Regards Paul ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:31:34 PM PST US From: ScramIt@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: On the way to top on! --> Europa-List message posted by: ScramIt@aol.com I'm getting close to putting the top on. I haven't crawled in back yet and don't intend to. Rear buck head is flanged, Baggage bay and baggage bay supports are flanged and removable right now. Wiring runs done, Tail wheel mod going in. Pitch stops are set. Antennas are set. Fuel drains gascolator going in. If I not missing any thing, I can put the top on. Then put the baggage bay in with redux and never go furtherer than leaning over the seat back. : ) Steved. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:34:43 PM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Europa-List: europa fleet hours tops 40000! --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson Many thanks to all those folk who have been flooding me with replies to my e-mail renewal reminders for Europa Club subscriptions. Some have updated their aircraft data too, and as a result we are now well over 40,000 hours total for the Europa fleet. But I only have hours data for 184 of the 269 Europas known to have flown so far! Take a look at the "flying aircraft" page under the "europa" heading on the Club page and see if the total for your aeroplane is up-to-date. Send me an e-mail if you can add anything to the information shown there. You don't have to be a Europa Club member to submit data, I welcome input from everyone. regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary - email for info! | Europa 435 G-ROWI (660 hours building) PFA #16532 | e-mail website ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:34:43 PM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Europa-List: Fwd: Europa evening (UK, Bristol area) --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson Folks - following is a message I have received from the Bristol Strut - is there anyone among us who can help Alan George arrange a good Europa presentation? >To: memsec@europaclub.org.uk >From: Alan George >Subject: Europa evening >Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 22:38:04 +0000 > >Rowland, > >To introduce myself my name is Alan George and I am the coordinator >of the Bristol PFA Strut. > >For a Strut meeting I am thinking of an evening about the Europa as >a popular PFA type. For example: >- a history of the type and models, >- operating a particular aircraft by a local owner, >- technical points to look out for from the Owner's club/specialist. > >We know local owners of Europas but I am looking for the history and >technical information. Do you know of people within the Europa club >who could take part in such an evening ? > >Regards, Alan George >PFA Bristol Strut Please reply direct to me at and I will relay the replies to Alan. Alan does not subscribe to this e-mail list and so will not see any replies posted here! You can also reply direct to Alan, but you'll have to work out his correct e-mail address from this clue. His ISP is run by Richard Branson and bears the same name as his airline. Substitute that 6-letter word for the asterisks in the quote above. I'm not using the word explicitly as it appears that was what caused Matt Dralle's spam filters to reject my posting on the previous 2 occasions - this is my 3rd try to post it here! Thanks for any help that may be offered. regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary - email for info! | Europa 435 G-ROWI (660 hours building) PFA #16532 | e-mail website ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:18:51 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 03/09/04 --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton At 23:56 09/03/2004 -0800, you wrote: >Dear Tim, > >These radiators are still available through the factory if you are unable >to find >second hand ones. Please refer to the catalogue. > >Regards >Andy Andy I seem top remember you still have my old radiators? Remember? Tim could have those. Graham ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:18:51 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: On the way to top on! From: James Nelson --> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson Yea- right!!!!!!! Trust me you will have to go there in the future. Just make it easy to do it. Jim On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 15:30:49 EST ScramIt@aol.com writes: > --> Europa-List message posted by: ScramIt@aol.com > > I'm getting close to putting the top on. I haven't crawled in back > yet and > don't intend to. > Rear buck head is flanged, Baggage bay and baggage bay supports are > flanged > and removable right now. Wiring runs done, Tail wheel mod going in. > Pitch stops > are set. Antennas are set. Fuel drains gascolator going in. > If I not missing any thing, I can put the top on. Then put the > baggage bay in > with redux and never go furtherer than leaning over the seat back. > : ) > > Steved. > > > = > = > = > =================================== > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:18:50 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 03/09/04 --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton At 23:56 09/03/2004 -0800, you wrote: >If you live in an area where this fungus may pose a problem you should >be able to get it from your fuel supplier. >It is so long ago I last saw the product I dont remember the name but >it is a fungicide and comes with elaborate mixing instructions- some >have a contraption to allow the application directly in the refuel hose. >I know this fungus lives on jet fuel, but not if it is the same that may >live in gasoline/petrol... >Hope it helps somehow, > >Alex Alex it also lives in diesel fuel. I had an old diesel car which stood for a year ir more. The fuel in the tank accumulated some white sludge, which must have been this fungus. That was in the UK. Trevor Jackson described a similar thing with his 2stroke gyro. Europa diesel owners beware! Graham ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:18:51 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 03/09/04 --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton At 23:56 09/03/2004 -0800, you wrote: >Correct me if I am wrong but from what I remember reading many moons ago >(probably about 325 ago) in an 'Aviation Safety Digest', I think the >fungus phenomenon might only apply to jet fuel. > >Regards >Kingsley Kingsley I wouldn't dream of correcting you! We are not always right but we're never wrong! is my motto. It does appear to live in 2 stroke oil, and judging by the remarks from Florida, lives in Avgas there too. Graham ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:29:10 PM PST US From: "KARL HEINDL" Subject: Re: Europa-List: On the way to top on! --> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" I never had to crawl into the back of the fuselage. Additional advice for pre-finishing before putting the top on: complete almost all of the interior finishing, i.e. stick on the headliner material with the top inverted, stick on all of the wall lining in the footwells and the baggage area. Leave excess material along the edges to be joined and trim later. But leave the side re-enforcements from the top of the seat to the window frame until after the top is on and with the wings attached. Pre-paint the door surrounds. Karl From: James Nelson Subject: Re: Europa-List: On the way to top on! -- Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson Yea- right!!!!!!! Trust me you will have to go there in the future. Just make it easy to do it. Jim On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 15:30:49 EST ScramIt@aol.com writes: -- Europa-List message posted by: ScramIt@aol.com I'm getting close to putting the top on. I haven't crawled in back yet and don't intend to. Rear buck head is flanged, Baggage bay and baggage bay supports are flanged and removable right now. Wiring runs done, Tail wheel mod going in. Pitch stops are set. Antennas are set. Fuel drains gascolator going in. If I not missing any thing, I can put the top on. Then put the baggage bay in with redux and never go furtherer than leaning over the seat back. : ) Steved. = = = =================================== Stay in touch better and keep protected online with MSNs NEW all-in-one Premium Services. Find out more here. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:19 PM PST US From: "Steve Hagar" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Warp Drive blades --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" Neville: A good explanation indeed.. I thought it would be something like that. Though I did not consider sealing with the epoxy. Part of burnout is having people state the seemingly obvious and not having a clue on why you didn't you didn't consider that yourself. Thanks for getting me on the straight and narrow. Steve Steve Hagar hagargs@earthlink.net > [Original Message] > From: Neville Eyre > To: > Date: 3/10/04 1:44:55 AM > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Warp Drive blades > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Neville Eyre" > > Hi All, > Been there, done that, got the tee shirt ! > Sand the other blades to match,[ I normally round off the trailing edge, in ''plan view'', and put a 1/16'' radius on the end] check with your thumbnail to see if there is a crack in ''the endgrain''. Finnish with W&D paper of about 800 grit, and then seal the raw end with a lick of epoxy. > Use a digital scale to check individual blade weights, Warp Drive supply them within 0.5 gram, no reason not to get to 0.2 if your scales read that small ? > Mask off the last 3'' or so of the blade, and paint the tips a nice colour , with more coats on the lighter ones to get the weights even. > Hope this will help ? > Cheers, > Nev. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Hagar > To: Europa-ListMatronics. Com > Subject: Europa-List: Warp Drive blades > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" > > Due to a ground handling boo boo I got an ouch on one of my warp drive blades. I roughed up the trailing edge of one of the blade tips. As a consequence about a 1/4" x 3/8" of that corner is now gone. I dresesed it and smoothed it with some sandpaper. The question now is : Is this significant? Do I make the other blades look like this? Do I not worry about it till I balance the prop and take care of it with prop hub weights? > > Steve (Starting to get burned out) Hagar > A143 > Mesa, AZ > > > Steve Hagar > hagargs@earthlink.net > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:13 PM PST US From: "Steve & Eileen Genotte" Subject: RE: Europa-List: europa fleet hours tops 40000! --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve & Eileen Genotte" Imagine how much it would be if you added up all the time in air of all the things we've flung whilst building these birds... ;-) -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rowland Carson Subject: Europa-List: europa fleet hours tops 40000! --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson Many thanks to all those folk who have been flooding me with replies to my e-mail renewal reminders for Europa Club subscriptions. Some have updated their aircraft data too, and as a result we are now well over 40,000 hours total for the Europa fleet. But I only have hours data for 184 of the 269 Europas known to have flown so far! Take a look at the "flying aircraft" page under the "europa" heading on the Club page and see if the total for your aeroplane is up-to-date. Send me an e-mail if you can add anything to the information shown there. You don't have to be a Europa Club member to submit data, I welcome input from everyone. regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson Europa Club Membership Secretary - email for info! | Europa 435 G-ROWI (660 hours building) PFA #16532 | e-mail website