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1. 05:48 AM - Re: Grand Rapids EFIS-1 (jrolfs@c21affiliated.com)
2. 07:07 AM - TIre pressure (Dave Anderson)
3. 07:24 AM - Re: Brake shims ?? (Neville Eyre)
4. 09:39 AM - Re: Fuel smell (hedley brown)
5. 10:12 AM - Bleeding bleeding finger brakes (Richard)
6. 03:59 PM - Vented or Unvented Brake Reservoirs (Tony Renshaw)
7. 04:04 PM - Re: Fuel smell (James Nelson)
8. 04:25 PM - Finger Brakes Master Cylinders Cont'd (Tony Renshaw)
9. 04:56 PM - Re: Fuel smell (Paul McAllister)
10. 05:02 PM - Re: Fuel smell (Paul McAllister)
11. 05:46 PM - Re: Vented or Unvented Brake Reservoirs (Cliff Shaw)
12. 07:08 PM - Re: Fuel smell (James Nelson)
13. 07:35 PM - Re: Re: Conduit Positioning (Steve Hagar)
14. 09:34 PM - Hydraulic Line Advice??? (Tony Renshaw)
15. 09:47 PM - Re: Hydraulic Line Advice??? QUARANTINE_LEVEL=4.0 KILL_LEVEL=5.0 testsX-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- (Cliff Shaw)
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| Subject: | Re: Grand Rapids EFIS-1 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: jrolfs@c21affiliated.com
Quoting Alan Stills <astills785@earthli
ALAN,
I"M pretty new to all this... what were the reasons you did not want to
have a GPS driven system???
Sincerely, JR , WIS
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Stills" <astills785@earthlink.net>
>
> Nigel,
> I also am installing a all "electric" system with backups. I researched all
> the EFIS's and came to the conclusion that I didn't want a system that was
> GPS driven. I went went with the DYNON EFIS the is completely autonomous of
> the GPS system. The price was right and fits nicely into the panel. It is a
> little smaller than the Blue Mountain but have had excellent reviews from
> those that are flying it. They also have an AOA that works with it. BTW it
> has a 2 hr battery backup for a complete electrical failure.
> Al Stills
> A095
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dave Anderson" <dja767@charter.net>
TO the question of tire pressure:
The book says to inflate to 18 psi. I would get constant questions from observers
that the tire looked low - check it and it would be 18 psi. I finally decided
to add more air - to 25 psi. The airplane rose noticeably and I figured it
would help in cross winds. On the takeoff roll, it became VERY apparent that
this was not the thing to do. The directional control was significantly more difficult
and I had one of my more exciting landings as well.
It turns out that the inflation of the tire is a critical parameter. When at 18
psi, there is a damping effect of the tire - sort of like steering a car with
a low tire vs a fully inflated tire. When returning to the normal tire pressure,
all returned to normal. I am now up to 199 landings with no problems other
than learning curve problems.
The Europa is a well designed airplane and they have thought things through very
carefully - including tire pressure!
Dave
Mini U2
A227
167 hours and counting
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Neville Eyre" <neville@europa-aircraft.com>
Hi All,
Uneven brake pad wear can be reduced by gently countersinking the two locating
holes in the pad plate [ on both sides ]. What seems to happen is once the uneven
wear starts, the pad stops sliding on the pins, and is forced over even further.
The plate ''grabs'' the pins [ as on a cartridge sealant gun]. If the
holes are gently countersunk, and the pad pins lubricated with a little coppaslip
[ or similar] the pad plate will move and not cockle over.
I also read Peter Waugh's diatribe in the March 2004 Europa Flyer, and I would
be interested for Peter to explain to me what the ''brake shims'' are ?!
Cheers,
Nev.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John & Paddy
Wigney
Subject: Europa-List: Brake shims ??
--> Europa-List message posted by: John & Paddy Wigney <johnwigney@worldnet.att.net>
I am busy with my annual inspection and have just removed my brake
caliper. The pads as usual are showing some wear and I will replace them
no problem. However, I have noticed on this and previous occasions
that the pads wear more heavily at the outer edge due, no doubt, to the
fact that about 30% of the piston area does not bear on the LG23
pressure plate. This causes the piston to skew and apply uneven pressure
to the plate and pad.
Coincidently, I have just read Peter Waughs article in the March 2004
Europa Flyer and saw a reference to brake shims. I have not seen any
reference to such items before and I am wondering if these are intended
to fix the uneven wear problem. Could somebody please explain what these
'brake shims' are ??
Cheers, John
N262WF
Mono XS, 912S
Mooresville, North Carolina
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "hedley brown" <hedley@hedleybrown.flyer.co.uk>
If it occurs only when your tank is brim-full, and you have fitted the
electric fuel guage, the seepage is where the sender is glued into the tank.
Neville recommends P.R.C.sealant, obtainable from the Light Aircraft
firm.....H
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Fuel smell
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
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> Hi all,
>
> I know this is an old topic, but I have a faint smell of auto gas in my
Europa. I have replaced the elbow with an aluminum one and tightened all of
the hose clips to no avail.
>
> I be interested in some best practices in debugging this problem.
>
> Paul
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| Subject: | Bleeding bleeding finger brakes |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Richard" <riddon@btinternet.com>
Eureka!
I've finally managed to bleed the air out of my finger brake master
cylinder.
After cleaning up and installing my cylinder, the starboard side was
solid with just about 1 inch travel on the lever but the port side was
spongy with about 2in. I must have bled about a litre of fluid through
this side trying to eliminate the air without success I then decided to
look on the 'net for possible solutions. It seems that it is a good idea
to 'bench bleed' a master cylinder before fitting to eliminate any air
which may be difficult to evacuate after fitting. Thinking about this
and not wanting to disassemble the system again, I looked at my setup. I
decided that as the cylinder is not quite level and the outlet from the
master cylinder to the brakes is at the low end, there may be some air
in the cylinder which cannot be eliminated by normal bleeding.
My solution was simply to back the aircraft up a pair of car ramps,
leaving the nose wheel on the floor to level the cylinder in situ then
bled the port side again. Lo and behold a good quantity of bubbles
issued forth and now I have good solid brakes on both sides.
I guess if doing it again, I would try to bench bleed the cylinder and
install it filled if possible to eliminate this problem.
Richard Iddon. (G-RIXS hoping to be flying again soon after installing
the brakes and fitting speed kit).
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| Subject: | Vented or Unvented Brake Reservoirs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Gidday,
I am about to order a master cylinder reservoir, and am tossing up between
the Matco, clear sided container and the "all one piece" aluminium chamber
varieties. I notice some mention non-venting filler caps. I would have
thought the logic is for the reservoir to be vented to atmosphere. One
variety out there mentions its ability to cope with inverted flight, so
obviously it has a vent capacity when upright. So, to allow it to supply
fluid to the master cylinder, and yet have a non-venting top, well how does
the system work???
Any advice on this thread greatfully accepted.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger (possibly convertible)
Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
Instrumentation: Undecided
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--> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Paul,
I also have the aluminum angle for fuel, I've tightened all the
clamps I could find but "stink gas" seems to still get into the cockpit.
But it leaves the cockpit as soon as I open it up and get it ready for
flight..
Jim Nelson
do not archive
On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 21:27:18 -0800 "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net> writes:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
> <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
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> Hi all,
>
> I know this is an old topic, but I have a faint smell of auto gas in
> my Europa. I have replaced the elbow with an aluminum one and
> tightened all of the hose clips to no avail.
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> I be interested in some best practices in debugging this problem.
>
> Paul
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| Subject: | Finger Brakes Master Cylinders Cont'd |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
OK,
The manufacturer is Jamar performance products. Link below. The phone
contact is Frank. Nice and friendly. The master cylinder is model no.
US2002X. The seals are Buna N seals, compatible with Dot 3,5,8 , ATF
fluid?? and therefore most synthetic fluids.
To clean out the cylinder he recommends hot soapy water. I have found
acetone bath is good too with a toothbrush, except obviously on the seals.
The end holes are 1/8" NPT. The grub screws are to seal the external sides
of the 2 chambers which are linked by a small hole that passes sideways
right through component. The grub screws should be locktited in position
and do not need to be removed for servicing, unless of course you feel that
the hole between the chambers might have become compromised in service.
Thats it for now.
http://jamarperformance.com/Default.htm
Click Here, down to products, Steering. ..........your there.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger (possibly convertible)
Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
Instrumentation: Undecided
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hedley, thanks for the tip, unfortunately its not that as I have yet to
fully fill the fuel tank.
Paul
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "hedley brown" <hedley@hedleybrown.flyer.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel smell
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "hedley brown"
<hedley@hedleybrown.flyer.co.uk>
>
> If it occurs only when your tank is brim-full, and you have fitted the
> electric fuel guage, the seepage is where the sender is glued into the
tank.
> Neville recommends P.R.C.sealant, obtainable from the Light Aircraft
> firm.....H
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Jim,
I am starting to pick up a constant theme that many Europa's have a fuel
smell and people just put up with it. Once I get past the FAA inspection I
am going to replace all of the hose clips with fuel injection hose clamps.
These things clamp the hose all around evenly. I am also thinking of
removing each fitting and re installing them with fuel resistant sealant
instead of the white thread tape I used.
Paul
do not archive
> --> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
>
> Paul,
> I also have the aluminum angle for fuel, I've tightened all the
> clamps I could find but "stink gas" seems to still get into the cockpit.
> But it leaves the cockpit as soon as I open it up and get it ready for
> flight..
>
> Jim Nelson
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| Subject: | Re: Vented or Unvented Brake Reservoirs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
All
I too had trouble bleeding my new finger brakes. I did it a little
differently.
I fixed the reservoir on the firewall so it could be pressurized with a few
pounds of air from my pneumatic air compressor. With everything connected
and the wheel cylinders venting, I added 5 psi of air in to the reservoir
and "blew" the brake fluid through the system. It took several cycles of
doing this. I could not let the reservoir go empty. When I was done and
fluid was coming out at the wheel, I did one cycle of regular bleeding and
closing the vent to get the wheel cylinder to there relaxed position.
This seems like a longwinded explanation, but it worked very easily. (One
man job.) A friend told me in his shop he used a vacuum line on the wheel
vent to "suck" the fluid through.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
Tri-gear about to back to the Hanger with three wheels under it.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson <europajim@juno.com> QUARANTINE_LEVEL=4.0
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Paul,
Sounds like a plan!!!
Jim
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 19:00:16 -0800 "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net> writes:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
> <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
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> Jim,
>
> I am starting to pick up a constant theme that many Europa's have a
> fuel
> smell and people just put up with it. Once I get past the FAA
> inspection I
> am going to replace all of the hose clips with fuel injection hose
> clamps.
> These things clamp the hose all around evenly. I am also thinking
> of
> removing each fitting and re installing them with fuel resistant
> sealant
> instead of the white thread tape I used.
>
> Paul
>
> do not archive
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> > --> Europa-List message posted by: James Nelson
> <europajim@juno.com>
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> > Paul,
> > I also have the aluminum angle for fuel, I've tightened
> all the
> > clamps I could find but "stink gas" seems to still get into the
> cockpit.
> > But it leaves the cockpit as soon as I open it up and get it ready
> for
> > flight..
> >
> > Jim Nelson
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| Subject: | RE: Conduit Positioning |
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Steve:
The reason why the center vertical is chosen is because it is where the
neutral axis of the rib is. If the rib is exposed to a bending moment the
stress is the least toward the center and the most at the extreme edge.
That is why I beams have most of the material on the top and bottom and
mimimal in the web area.
Steve
A143
Mesa AZ
Steve Hagar
hagargs@earthlink.net
> [Original Message]
> From: Steve & Eileen Genotte <damnyankees@comcast.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 3/21/04 8:42:51 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: RE: Conduit Positioning
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve & Eileen Genotte"
<damnyankees@comcast.net>
>
> How did you arrive at the center vertical position in the rib? I ask
> because I seem to remember rather distinctly Andy Draper telling me to put
> the conduit low, but not so low as to make the bottom of the cut remove
more
> than "X" amount of rib above the lower wing's skin. (It's been a few
years
> and I didn't write it down, so my apologies for only having "X" as a
> reference.) I don't have the wings here - and they're closed anyway - so
> I'm unable to proffer much beyond this hazy recollection and the picture I
> just downloaded to the Europa Forum.
>
> Steve "El Roto" G.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
ScramIt@aol.com
> Subject:
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: ScramIt@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 3/21/04 12:28:22 AM, damnyankees@comcast.net writes:
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> > http://home.comcast.net/~damnyankees/Wingpage.htm
> >
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> SteveG,
> I answered Brian off list, hope your back is feeling better. Love your
site,
> nothing like telling it like it is. The only thing I would say is to make
> the
> holes in the ribs as near to center as possible, in the vertical
dimension.
> Make a two ply patch 2x2 then drill your hole through that. I added my 2x2
> patches later so you only see it in one or two photos. Where the hole
has
> to be
> near the lower wing "floor " panel, I.E., the double rib. I reinforced the
> inside of the rib with 4 plys of bid in the U shape.
>
> SteveD
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| Subject: | Hydraulic Line Advice??? |
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
Gidday,
I was wondering if people have advice regarding tube selection and fittings
for brake lines from the park brake to the gear legs? Any help greatfully
received.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Australia
Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger (possibly convertible)
Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
Instrumentation: Undecided
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Tony
I installed Nylo-Seal Tubing that I got from AS. I used the brass fitting
that came with the kit. The finger brakes came from Europa, Florida and the
reservoir from AS (Matco #06-11230 )
I am very happy with the way it all turned out.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
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> --> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw
<tonyrenshaw@optusnet.com.au>
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> Gidday,
> I was wondering if people have advice regarding tube selection and
fittings
> for brake lines from the park brake to the gear legs? Any help greatfully
> received.
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Australia
>
> Classic 236 B.B. Taildragger (possibly convertible)
> Tail, Wings, Ailerons, Flaps Complete and Connected
> Lower Fuse in Jig, Tail Torque Tube installed
> Mass Balance assembly installed and deflections sorted
> Intended Engine: 912S CS prop (model undecided)
> Instrumentation: Undecided
>
>
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