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1. 12:06 AM - Europa Club Mod - OV Crowbar Unit (nigel charles)
2. 12:47 AM - Re: Finger Brakes Master Cylinders Cont'd (ivor.phillips)
3. 01:10 AM - Re:finger brake master cylinder (Paul Atkinson)
4. 02:16 AM - Re: Europa Club Mod - OV Crowbar Unit (Brian Davies)
5. 03:29 AM - Re: ASI (Jan de Jong)
6. 06:19 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 03/21/04 (Paul Atkinson)
7. 06:23 AM - Re: ASI (Peter Zutrauen)
8. 08:15 AM - Hot Running 914 (mike toft)
9. 11:35 AM - Cabin width test sitting (k1starr@indra.com)
10. 12:14 PM - Re: Hydraulic Line Advice??? (n3eu@comcast.net)
11. 12:31 PM - Re: ASI (Ami McFadyean)
12. 01:49 PM - Re: Hydraulic Line Advice??? (Rob Housman)
13. 03:44 PM - Re: Hydraulic Line Advice??? (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
14. 04:20 PM - Re: Cabin width test sitting (Steve Hagar)
15. 10:33 PM - Re: Hot Running 914 (Bill & Sue Sisley)
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| Subject: | Europa Club Mod - OV Crowbar Unit |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
This is just to remind those who intend to use this mod that there is a corrected
circuit diagram on the club website. This has been amended for over a year
now but there may be a few of you with the old circuit diagram.
Nigel Charles
Europa Club Mods Rep
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| Subject: | Re: Finger Brakes Master Cylinders Cont'd |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
Hi Tony that's interesting about the use of Automatic transmission fluid in
the Tri-Gear Mastercylinder, (MOD 65 only)
Matco has indorsed the use of ATF in there brake calipers
so the choice of fluid has now doubled, and given Silicone DOT5 has a number
Of drawbacks, It will be ATF for me!
Not least the cost factor, 1 Litre of ATF costs 1 Pound sterling 1 Litre
DOT5 SILICONE 25 pound sterling, (NO CONTEST)
DOT 5 will work fine but DOT5.1 contains glycol and is not compatible with
the seals. Petroleum based automatic transmission fluid (ATF) will also
work fine.
George R. Happ
MATCO mfg
. The master cylinder is model no.
> US2002X. The seals are Buna N seals, compatible with Dot 3,5,8 , ATF
> fluid?? and therefore most synthetic fluids.
You need a very small vent on the reservoir to allow the fluid to lower as
the pads wear, this way you always have a full pedal/lever, otherwise with
time the starting point of the pedal?lever will move,
Ivor Phillips
XS486 London UK
CM Installed,working on rudder cables,
trial fit top and wings
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| Subject: | Re:finger brake master cylinder |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Atkinson <paul@theatkinsons.demon.co.uk>
>
Me too.... I spoke to Andy about it and he suggested that it was due
to incomplete bleeding. Having re bled several times I have found that
the lever returns to the off position quite smartly immediately after
bleeding but a day or so later the old problem has returned. So I have
come to the conclusion that my seals are damaged. Probably my fault for
not following the advice about not operating the lever without fluid in
the system :-( . Anyway I assume that either the factory or Aircrft
Spruce can supply seals when I eventually get around to replacing them.
BTW I am not flying yet and it is a job high on the list to be done
before I do.
Paul Atkinson
>
> I have had a lot of trouble with the piston only returning very slowly
> to
> the maximum back position. Like Karl I have tried my best with
> cleaning and
> lubricating to fix it but with only partial success. It is nice to
> hear
> that Karl may have found a solution and it would be a great help if he
> would
> give us the details of the replacement seals.
>
>
> Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI
> Europa Club Assistant Mods Rep
> e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Club Mod - OV Crowbar Unit |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Davies" <bdavies@dircon.co.uk>
Nigel,
Your modified diagram appears to require yet another 5amp circuit breaker to
protect the positive feed to the relay. Surely it is sufficient to take the
relay positive feed from the same place as the positive feed for the crowbar
unit. The only difference is that the relay is energised when the
alternator master switch is closed.
Modifying the circuit from the old to the new then becomes a simple matter
of moving the positive wires for the crowbar unit and the relay to the
busbar side of the relay contacts.
Does that make sense?
Brian Davies kit 454
----- Original Message -----
From: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Club Mod - OV Crowbar Unit
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles"
<nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
>
> This is just to remind those who intend to use this mod that there is a
corrected circuit diagram on the club website. This has been amended for
over a year now but there may be a few of you with the old circuit diagram.
>
> Nigel Charles
> Europa Club Mods Rep
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Jan de Jong <jan.de.jong@xs4all.nl>
Quoting RD Aviation catalogue and price list 2000/01:
Mini ASI by 'Winter GmbH' 57mm dial, length 75mm, weight 220gms
20 to 200kts 1 1/2 turns 7443 #215.00
This is the ASI recommended by Europa for its low airspeed resolution
but with the small dial (no 1 kt divisions between the 5 kt divisions).
Not cheap though.
Jan de Jong
#461, blue bits still
Paul Stewart wrote:
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
>
> Our primary instruments are beinb provided by the BMA EFIS 1, but need a
> back up alti, compass and ASI. Anyone recommend a suitable ASI - the
> smaller instruments I've seen seem to have a fairly poor low speed
> range. Idealy looking for something smaller than a 3 1/8 instrument.
>
> Regards
>
> Paul G-GIDY
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 03/21/04 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Atkinson <paul@theatkinsons.demon.co.uk>
I have an asi and altimeter from UMA which are 2 1/4in. They are not
expensive and you do get what you pay for! It would be very difficult
to fly accurately with them but as back up instruments they are good
enough. Winter make some very nice ones but they have have a very nice
price too.
Paul Atkinson
On Monday, Mar 22, 2004, at 07:56 Europe/London, Europa-List Digest
Server wrote:
> Time: 10:55:52 AM PST US
> From: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: ASI
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart
> <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
>
> Our primary instruments are beinb provided by the BMA EFIS 1, but need
> a
> back up alti, compass and ASI. Anyone recommend a suitable ASI - the
> smaller instruments I've seen seem to have a fairly poor low speed
> range. Idealy looking for something smaller than a 3 1/8 instrument.
>
> Regards
>
> Paul G-GIDY
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
Or there is also the WINTER 7FMS423 ASI 0-160 KTS 2 1/4" (From the
soaring folks) @ $310.00 - still expensive:
http://store.williamssoaring.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Stor
e_Code=WSP&Product_Code=01ASI57160W
Cheers,
Pete
A239
-----Original Message-----
From: Jan de Jong [mailto:jan.de.jong@xs4all.nl]
Subject: Re: Europa-List: ASI
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jan de Jong <jan.de.jong@xs4all.nl>
Quoting RD Aviation catalogue and price list 2000/01:
Mini ASI by 'Winter GmbH' 57mm dial, length 75mm, weight 220gms
20 to 200kts 1 1/2 turns 7443 #215.00
This is the ASI recommended by Europa for its low airspeed resolution
but with the small dial (no 1 kt divisions between the 5 kt divisions).
Not cheap though.
Jan de Jong
#461, blue bits still
Paul Stewart wrote:
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart
<europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
>
> Our primary instruments are beinb provided by the BMA EFIS 1, but need
a
> back up alti, compass and ASI. Anyone recommend a suitable ASI - the
> smaller instruments I've seen seem to have a fairly poor low speed
> range. Idealy looking for something smaller than a 3 1/8 instrument.
>
> Regards
>
> Paul G-GIDY
>
==
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==
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "mike toft" <watervet@mweb.co.za>
Hi All
I wonder if any of you flying at high ambient temperatures 30 degrees Celsius +
have any bright ideas about keeping the 914 turbo cool on climb out - 1'm finding
temperatures creeping up past 120 degrees soon after take off which some
what limits my immediate climb - it returns to 106 - 112 on cruise.Any hints tips
would be really appreciated!!
Mike Toft
ZU CTG Trigear /914/Airmaster Prop - test flying!
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| Subject: | Cabin width test sitting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: k1starr@indra.com
Is there a Europa XS fuselage with seats in Northern Colorado (or Wyoming
near Laramie) that I can sit in? I'm 6/4", 220, with wide shoulders; and
I'd like to make sure I fit before I buy. An RV6 is a bit too narrow
across the inside of the cabin at 39.5" narrowest point at arm level.
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| Subject: | Re: Hydraulic Line Advice??? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
> I was wondering if people have advice regarding tube selection
> and fittings for brake lines from the park brake to the gear
> legs? Any help greatfully received.
>
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Australia
I used aluminum (soft 3030) tubing and AN fittings on my tri-gear. The reason is
fear (valid or not) that after setting my hydraulic parking brakes, heat from
the disc transfers to the cylinder, heats the fluid and expands it. And by
softening the plastic tubing, pushes it a bit out of its connector each cycle,
to someday pop on brake application. All I know for sure is this heat phenomenon
is real, as on the other plane it causes the mechanical parking brake arrangement
to lock up solid, so you have to invert your body to go down behind the
rudders pedals to release them, looking like a dork on a busy airport ramp.
The first certificated, production A/C I see with plastic brake lines might
modify my thinking here! Or automobile for that matter.
Regards,
Fred F.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>> Not cheap though.<<
Dead good though!
Duncan McF.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jan de Jong" <jan.de.jong@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: ASI
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Jan de Jong <jan.de.jong@xs4all.nl>
>
> Quoting RD Aviation catalogue and price list 2000/01:
> Mini ASI by 'Winter GmbH' 57mm dial, length 75mm, weight 220gms
> 20 to 200kts 1 1/2 turns 7443 #215.00
>
> This is the ASI recommended by Europa for its low airspeed resolution
> but with the small dial (no 1 kt divisions between the 5 kt divisions).
>
> Not cheap though.
>
> Jan de Jong
> #461, blue bits still
>
> Paul Stewart wrote:
> >
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart
<europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
> >
> > Our primary instruments are beinb provided by the BMA EFIS 1, but need a
> > back up alti, compass and ASI. Anyone recommend a suitable ASI - the
> > smaller instruments I've seen seem to have a fairly poor low speed
> > range. Idealy looking for something smaller than a 3 1/8 instrument.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Paul G-GIDY
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Hydraulic Line Advice??? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
It was an automotive application of plastic hydraulic lines (Lotus Elan, the
original not the later one with a reliable Japanese-built engine) that
convinced me to fit my Tri-Gear with stainless steel tubing outside the
fuselage and brass inside. Lotus routed the hydraulic clutch line close to
the exhaust and when that line ruptured, the ensuing fire nearly destroyed
the car. The other lesson learned was that a chemical fire extinguisher
(used by the professionals that arrived at the site in a large red truck)
can surely make a mess of the electrical components. Let's hope that Halon
remains available for aircraft use.
It was quite a chore for this novice tube bender to fabricate the metal
lines (especially since I also added brakes on the starboard side) but it
eliminated the unlikely but possible failure of plastic tubing.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of n3eu@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Hydraulic Line Advice???
--> Europa-List message posted by: n3eu@comcast.net
> I was wondering if people have advice regarding tube selection
> and fittings for brake lines from the park brake to the gear
> legs? Any help greatfully received.
>
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Australia
I used aluminum (soft 3030) tubing and AN fittings on my tri-gear. The
reason is fear (valid or not) that after setting my hydraulic parking
brakes, heat from the disc transfers to the cylinder, heats the fluid and
expands it. And by softening the plastic tubing, pushes it a bit out of its
connector each cycle, to someday pop on brake application. All I know for
sure is this heat phenomenon is real, as on the other plane it causes the
mechanical parking brake arrangement to lock up solid, so you have to invert
your body to go down behind the rudders pedals to release them, looking like
a dork on a busy airport ramp. The first certificated, production A/C I see
with plastic brake lines might modify my thinking here! Or automobile for
that matter.
Regards,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | Re: Hydraulic Line Advice??? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Hello All,
I guess this is not a problem for those of us that are going to conventional
gear. I ordered my gear legs through Bob Berube at Flightcrafters and had it
"bullet drilled" internal to he legs. I attach my aluminum tubing to the top
center of the gear leg (which will be enclosed in fiberglass) then run a simple
short flexible hose from each bottom side of the gear leg to the wheel
cylinder.
Mike Duane A207
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
CM & rudder pedals with cables installed. Tailwheel complete. Wing pins and
tie bar installed. Working on baggage bay. Conventional gear assembled and soon
to be fitted.
But Sun-N-Fun comes soon!
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| Subject: | Cabin width test sitting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
I Believe Colorado Composite Concepts in Montrose has a couple of Europas
being worked on. Though not in northern Colorado. Its always nice to get
over to the western slope.
Steve Hagar
A143
Mesa, AZ
Steve Hagar
hagargs@earthlink.net
> [Original Message]
> From: <k1starr@indra.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 3/23/04 12:34:32 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: Cabin width test sitting
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: k1starr@indra.com
>
> Is there a Europa XS fuselage with seats in Northern Colorado (or Wyoming
> near Laramie) that I can sit in? I'm 6/4", 220, with wide shoulders; and
> I'd like to make sure I fit before I buy. An RV6 is a bit too narrow
> across the inside of the cabin at 39.5" narrowest point at arm level.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hot Running 914 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bill & Sue Sisley" <bill.sue@zip.co.nz>
Mike,
Mine used to get hot when new but improved with age.
Biggest change I made was to put a moulding in the bottom of the lower cowl
to provide a smooth passage of air into the coolers and more importantly at
the rear of the coolers where the hot air goes out. On any cooling system it
is most important that the air can flow smoothly, especially out.
ZK CHV
Mono XS
914-Airmaster
170 hrs
Sue and Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "mike toft" <watervet@mweb.co.za>
Subject: Europa-List: Hot Running 914
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "mike toft" <watervet@mweb.co.za>
>
> Hi All
> I wonder if any of you flying at high ambient temperatures 30 degrees
Celsius + have any bright ideas about keeping the 914 turbo cool on climb
out - 1'm finding temperatures creeping up past 120 degrees soon after take
off which some what limits my immediate climb - it returns to 106 - 112 on
cruise.Any hints tips would be really appreciated!!
>
> Mike Toft
> ZU CTG Trigear /914/Airmaster Prop - test flying!
>
>
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